Favorite Terrible Wrestlers

[Swiss Ultimate]

I was just thinking a bit about all the wrestlers that have provided me with entertainment and joy. I began to realize, many of those people were terrible in the ring.

Here's my Top 5 ( in no particular order)

5. Ernest Miller

I remember not enjoying any of this guy's matches, but loving him all the same. Felt like watching a guy with a big personality and no actual wrestling training whatsoever get a shot on TV. He was golden dookie.

4. 90% of ECW wrestlers

Going to lump the Tommy Dreamers, Balls Mahoneys, and New Jacks into the same category. Many of them earned my love after sacrificing their bodies, being entertaining and whatnot. However, watching entire ECW matches with a lot of these guys is a bit underwhelming. Paul was good at cutting out the shit and leaving in the highlights.

3. David Flair

I still don't understand why Ric didn't properly train his son. Flair looked less like a wrestler than CM Punk and Matt Hardy too, just some average looking college kid in the ring. Got saddled with a crazy gimmick and generally only had forgettable matches, but for some reason I liked him. Partly because I loved his dad, but he had a charm to him as well. Plus his hot ass manager.

2.Blue Meanie

bWo 4 lyfe! That is all. Stevie was actually a good wrestler otherwise he'd be here.

1. Al Snow

Mick Foley was average at best, but worked with his physical limitations and advantages to create a unique style. Al Snow was a half-assed version of that without the same advantages of Foley, but I really did and do love him. He may have had some good matches in ECW I never saw, but generally every match with him in it was a disappointing affair. The Head stuff was golde, but if I'm being honest his best match was wrestling by himself in the ring as people watched on.

Your turn. Go.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I thought Al was good tbh

[Swiss Ultimate]

I want to believe that, but I can't think of any good "big" matches he had. I remember dislikung his matches with Mankind and hating his dog cell match.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Mankind was battered and broken when Al wrestled him. The kennel from hell was an unmitigated disaster but it could have been Benoit vs Tiger Mask and it'd have been dog shit (pun intended).

He actually had some really good hardcore matches. Just didn't belong in a main even spot. Really fun mid-card act when he was firing on all cylinders and a solid hand. Doesn't deserve to be talked about in the same light as David Flair. Have a feeling he was also quite good in SMW. Wrestle his first match in like 1986 or something.

Mick Foley was also an amazing worker. Very fast for a guy his size, and unorthodox and a fantastic story teller. Dunno how that makes him "average at best"

[KIRA]

Kevin Nash
Ahmed Johnson
Eva Marie
Steve (WHOOO) Mongo Mcmichaels

[Swiss Ultimate]

Mankind was battered and broken when Al wrestled him. The kennel from hell was an unmitigated disaster but it could have been Benoit vs Tiger Mask and it'd have been dog shit (pun intended).

He actually had some really good hardcore matches. Just didn't belong in a main even spot. Really fun mid-card act when he was firing on all cylinders and a solid hand. Doesn't deserve to be talked about in the same light as David Flair. Have a feeling he was also quite good in SMW. Wrestle his first match in like 1986 or something.

Mick Foley was also an amazing worker. Very fast for a guy his size, and unorthodox and a fantastic story teller. Dunno how that makes him "average at best"

I'm a huge Foley mark. At one point I owned 5-6 Cactus Jack DVDs with his early matches etc, watched all his ECW stuff religiously. However, I've come to realize a lot of my love was because of my rose colored glasses. Going back to a lot of his work, he was unique, had a great look, but wasn't exactly great. Kevin Owens does what Foley was trying to do as a husky guy but way better and without all the hardcore stuff.

I truly love Foley, but I couldn't make the case for him as particularly good in the ring. He was known for his spots, his ability to absorb punishment, his amazing talent on the mic, and for just being a swell guy to work with.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Kevin Nash
Ahmed Johnson
Eva Marie
Steve (WHOOO) Mongo Mcmichaels

I loved Mongo too.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I like Owens but he's no Foley.

[KIRA]

Was Ed Leslie actually terrible or just Hogans booty call?
Cause I was gonna put him on my list

[Maluco]

Sid!

Loved Sid Justice as a child and loved Psycho Sid even more.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I like Owens but he's no Foley.

Exactly right. Foley had magic and charisma and stood out in the field. He knew how to make a spot catch fire.

However, he wasn't anywhere as technically sound as Owens. Similar body types, Owens is way stronger and more agile though...yet...no magic.

[Droford]

Disco Inferno

Dude went out with the stupidest gimmick every night and usually got his but kicked but he stayed with it.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I love Disco all around.

[Bad News Gertner]

Disco got pretty good at around 1999.

Viscera is my favourite terrible wrestler.

[Bad News Gertner]

I was just thinking a bit about all the wrestlers that have provided me with entertainment and joy. I began to realize, many of those people were terrible in the ring.

Here's my Top 5 ( in no particular order)

5. Ernest Miller

I remember not enjoying any of this guy's matches, but loving him all the same. Felt like watching a guy with a big personality and no actual wrestling training whatsoever get a shot on TV. He was golden dookie.

4. 90% of ECW wrestlers

Going to lump the Tommy Dreamers, Balls Mahoneys, and New Jacks into the same category. Many of them earned my love after sacrificing their bodies, being entertaining and whatnot. However, watching entire ECW matches with a lot of these guys is a bit underwhelming. Paul was good at cutting out the shit and leaving in the highlights.

3. David Flair

I still don't understand why Ric didn't properly train his son. Flair looked less like a wrestler than CM Punk and Matt Hardy too, just some average looking college kid in the ring. Got saddled with a crazy gimmick and generally only had forgettable matches, but for some reason I liked him. Partly because I loved his dad, but he had a charm to him as well. Plus his hot ass manager.

2.Blue Meanie

bWo 4 lyfe! That is all. Stevie was actually a good wrestler otherwise he'd be here.

1. Al Snow

Mick Foley was average at best, but worked with his physical limitations and advantages to create a unique style. Al Snow was a half-assed version of that without the same advantages of Foley, but I really did and do love him. He may have had some good matches in ECW I never saw, but generally every match with him in it was a disappointing affair. The Head stuff was golde, but if I'm being honest his best match was wrestling by himself in the ring as people watched on.

Your turn. Go.

AL Snow was really good, especially in ECW. Balls Mahoney was a tremendous wrestler when he was actually allowed to have a straight up match. Great matches with RVD.

[Bad News Gertner]

I don't think he's terrible, but alot of people do : Sid.

I fucking LOVE Sid.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Disco. .../ .../ .../

The Cat. He's the greatest, punks! He'll whoop anybody!

Sgt. Craig Pitbull Pitman. Loved his Cross-Arm Breaker.

The Gambler.

[wwe2222]

I don't think he's terrible, but alot of people do : Sid.

I fucking LOVE Sid.

:y: big Sid fan

[My Final Heaven]

Nailz

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Everything he did looked like shit & he knew a grand total of 1 wrestling move (the Greco-Roman Chokehold popularized by Homer Simpson), but there was something incredibly endearing about how intense & legit unhinged he was, + that "kid on elementary school picture day" haircut that made me root for him :lol: Those promos also, his voice sounded like the Dateline digital voice scrambler, perfect for a Convict

[Helmsphere]

Maven
I still to this day, Mark out like a kid at his Dropkick, and how he eliminated the Undertaker at the Royal Rumble in 2002. Also loved his theme.

Speaking of Dropkicks
Hardcore Holly - I hate Bob Holly the human being, but I was actually quite fond of his matches, before I knew all about that. I know he isn't terrible, but he was exactly standing out besides his dropkick and 400 pound Superheavyweight Stuff he did.

Bubba Ray Dudley - I'm throwing this in, and not Bully Ray, I'm talking about his Singles WWE Stuff, I actually found him entertaining for some odd reason but everyone always talks about D'Von being the better of the two, but never actually cared for D'Von much for some odd reason.

Wrath - Always marked out for him, before his Kronik Stuff, never really watched much of Adam Bomb but I remember being one of the guys I wanted to see when I watched WCW, Loved his Meltdown.

Test - I never quite understood why Test was called Shit in the ring. I mean I saw it in his 2006-2007 ECW Run, But before then from like 2000-2003 I liked his work. Maybe I was just amazed by a 6'6 Dude who hit a picture perfect Elbow Drop.

[Vastardikai]

It really depends on your definition of "Bad" in the sense of professional wrestling, or even to how you view professional wrestling itself.

But by most standards, I'd say Great Khali. Just because I enjoy saying "Her Sister is a Bitch!"

[Swiss Ultimate]

AL Snow was really good, especially in ECW. Balls Mahoney was a tremendous wrestler when he was actually allowed to have a straight up match. Great matches with RVD.

I will have to watch Al in ECW.

I enjoyed Balls live in 99. He was very fun, but it was a lot of cheese graders and forks.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Kevin Nash
Ahmed Johnson
Eva Marie
Steve (WHOOO) Mongo Mcmichaels

You son of a bitch. You're lucky it's not Nashvember yet, or I'd be rooting SO HARD for you to tear your quads! :shifty:

[Ruien]

3 Count

[DAMN iNATOR]

I'm with you @Helmsphere on Maven. Hardcore Holly just had the misfortune of being in some ridiculous, LOLWTF moments, like that one SD! when he tried to pick a fight/brawl with Brock. He was an extremely solid hand in the mid-card though.

[JimmyMess]

Too Cool

[Bad News Gertner]

I will have to watch Al in ECW.

I enjoyed Balls live in 99. He was very fun, but it was a lot of cheese graders and forks.

Yeah, but I liked when Balls would have a straight up match every once in a while. Very good amateur wrestler.

[Emperor Smeat]

Gangrel.

Guess also the Bushwackers during their WWF years.

[Theo Dious]

You son of a bitch. You're lucky it's not Nashvember yet, or I'd be rooting SO HARD for you to tear your quads! :shifty:

I had the phrase "shut your whore mouth" ready but you pretty much covered it.

[Theo Dious]

Honestly the closest thing to "bad" wrestlers I've ever particularly liked were the Natural Disasters, and honestly I don't even think it's fair to call them bad. Earthquake was exceptional at being a big vicious monster and Tugboat/Typhoon was decent enough at it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Val Venis: Not that he was terrible in the ring or anything, but he was clunky when he was pushed and actually made people change the channel.

Billy Gunn: One of my favorites when I started watching. I've got no clue why.

Test: Same with Billy Gunn.

Hardcore Holly: Again, he's probably not considered "terrible," but I always found him more interesting than he really deserved to be labeled with.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you're really looking for guys that are "worse" than that, I'd probably go with...Bull Buchanan? I always liked his clothesline spot. I had this soft spot for Snitsky too, lol. Viscera is a good shout out too.

[Sepholio]

SOMEBODY CALL MY MOMMA!

[DAMN iNATOR]

If you're really looking for guys that are "worse" than that, I'd probably go with...Bull Buchanan? I always liked his clothesline spot. I had this soft spot for Snitsky too, lol. Viscera is a good shout out too.

I really enjoyed Heidenreich and was even disappointed at one point that after an interaction backstage at some PPV, they never feuded or fought each other, LOL. Hindsight is a hell of a thing sometimes.

[KIRA]

You son of a bitch. You're lucky it's not Nashvember yet, or I'd be rooting SO HARD for you to tear your quads! :shifty:

During Nashvember I refrain from any and all Nash bashing so I had to get it all out before then.

[Impeccable]

Billy Gunn and Test are in there for me.

Brodus Clay / Tyrus is also one of my fave terrible wrestlers.

[Savio]

Gangrel
Ellsworth

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Gangrelsworth

[A.J.K]

Scotty 2 Hotty
Viscera
Hardcore Holly
Test
Tommy Dreamer

[Anybody Thrilla]

Definitely Test, and I also remember a time that I really enjoyed Hardcore Holly. As far as people who haven't been mentioned yet, Rodney and Pete Gas come to mind. Huge MSP mark for some reason.

[Blonde Moment]

Test
Mike Shaw
Gangrel
Val Venis
annnd
Brian Pilman wwf ONLY wcw he was fantastic but his WWf run .....

[Anybody Thrilla]

He was hurt AF. That doesn't make him a terrible wrestler.

[Ultra Mantis]

All the jobber guys in Raven's Flock. Lodi and Riggs in particular.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Even Reece?

[Ultra Mantis]

I don't think I ever saw him work a match, all I remember of him was carrying Billy Kidman on his back like a small child so I guess he was ok.

[Ultra Mantis]

Now that you mention it though, I would like to clarify I do not like Van Hammer.

[Blonde Moment]

Now that you mention it though, I would like to clarify I do not like Van Hammer.

Who did?

[Anybody Thrilla]

I don't think Van Hammer even liked Van Hammer.

[Stickman]

Ultimate Warrior

[Anybody Thrilla]

Oh yeah, that's a good one for me too.

[KIRA]

Test
Mike Shaw
Gangrel
Val Venis
annnd
Brian Pilman wwf ONLY wcw he was fantastic but his WWf run .....
You better tread lightly on that one

[KIRA]

Jim Duggan

Virgil

[Bad News Gertner]

Awww Duggan wasn't that bad lol

[XL]

Adam Bomb/Wrath/Bryan Clark

[KIRA]

For some reason there was a small window of time in WCW where I found myself liking Bryan (Crush)Adams and even more odd it was while he was in the NWO.....god he sucked at ...everything.

[Cool King]

A few of the names I was going to say have already been said, so I'm going to say The Headbangers.

[Cool King]

I wouldn't say The Headbangers were terrible though but at the same time, they weren't great.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I loved them though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Always had a soft spot for Grand Master Sexay. Not saying he's terrible, but he's far from even Scotty 2 Hotty, let alone his father.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ooh, a more modern answer: Alex Riley

I thought he had something there. Presence, charisma -- whatever you want to call it. Nope. I was wrong, sorry.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I was an A-Ry fan too.

[Destor]

He did an angle with steen in nxt. Was the only thing steen has even done that i liked that didnt invole generico getting him over

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yeah, Riley was looking really intense for a second there. Then I believe he was released.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Raaaaaaage, Riley! Raaaaage!

I think it was a last ditch attempt to go somewhere with him. I liked the long hair, but it was just...eh, he's A-Ry, he's only ever going to be so good. They tried, he tried -- it just wasn't going to change the world.

[Helmsphere]

I loved the MSP.

[Maluco]

Another one from when I was younger...The Warlord!

Thought he looked awesome and couldn't understand why he lost so much.

[KIRA]

Awww Duggan wasn't that bad lol

He was likable to fans but I was never much of a patriot so that was already a dead gimmick for me all I saw was a big dumb guy who said USA and tough guy a lot then he got in the ring and did..... stuff while still yelling USA!

[Bad News Gertner]

High Voltage

[Mr. Nerfect]

I always used to like Matt Hardy more than Jeff Hardy and Chavo more than Eddie. I have no clue why.

[Bad News Gertner]

Always had a soft spot for Grand Master Sexay. Not saying he's terrible, but he's far from even Scotty 2 Hotty, let alone his father.

Christopher at his peak between 93-95 was one of the top 10 wrestlers in the world.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Really? I might have to check out some of his stuff. I sincerely didn't know that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Checking out his Wikipedia page, I knew, intellectually, about that USWA run and how he was there but not revealed to be Jerry Lawler's son. I thought that was closer to his WWF run though. Need to go and watch more.

[Tom Guycott]

Nathan Jones. Was a perfect storm of strongman-turned-actor-turned-wrestler, a million-dollar gimmick (pleasantly unhinged, formerly incarcerated, and a backstory with Undertaker), an excuse for being so green (said prison stint), and checked Vince's boxes for "tall" and "looks the shit". Wasn't really anywhere as good as I wished he was, and not being able to handle the travel killed that dead.

[Tom Guycott]

Ooh, a more modern answer: Alex Riley

I thought he had something there. Presence, charisma -- whatever you want to call it. Nope. I was wrong, sorry.

Honestly, as hokey as it was, that "Varsity Villain" cocky asshole jock schtick wasn't bad. Then, he appeared on actual WWE TV without doing any of it in one of those "let's take away everything that works" moves.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Honestly, as hokey as it was, that "Varsity Villain" cocky asshole jock schtick wasn't bad. Then, he appeared on actual WWE TV without doing any of it in one of those "let's take away everything that works" moves.

You're probably right that they took it away, but there was enough of it that remained that I got the idea of the gimmick. He always seemed like a jock asshole.

Remember when they had Riley randomly get into a brawl with Steve Austin? They had plans for him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They smashed him over Miz too. I mean, it wasn't exactly Triple H/Batista in terms of star-making, but it was there. And they gave him that great theme too. If only he were good enough to justify keeping it going even after he fucked up backstage or whatever happened.

[Rammsteinmad]

3. David Flair

I still don't understand why Ric didn't properly train his son. Flair looked less like a wrestler than CM Punk and Matt Hardy too, just some average looking college kid in the ring. Got saddled with a crazy gimmick and generally only had forgettable matches, but for some reason I liked him. Partly because I loved his dad, but he had a charm to him as well. Plus his hot ass manager.

Whatculture did a video recently about 2nd generation wrestlers who never made it. Apparently the story with Flair is that he never wanted to be a wrestler. The story to get David involved was pitched by Eric Bischoff, and though he went along with it and gave it a shot, David just never really wanted to be a wrestler.

If that's true, then in fairness he didn't do that terribly. Sure, he was pretty awful in the ring, but his psycho stuff at least showed promise when it came to character-work.

[Bad News Gertner]

Really? I might have to check out some of his stuff. I sincerely didn't know that.

There was a ton of talk surrounding Christopher becoming the next HBK during that time

[Mr. Nerfect]

There was a ton of talk surrounding Christopher becoming the next HBK during that time

That I have never heard. Amazing. So he's in that line of Jeff Hardy, Chris Jericho, John Morrison and Dolph Ziggler, haha. Who else has been the next HBK?

[Swiss Ultimate]

Whatculture did a video recently about 2nd generation wrestlers who never made it. Apparently the story with Flair is that he never wanted to be a wrestler. The story to get David involved was pitched by Eric Bischoff, and though he went along with it and gave it a shot, David just nevetur really wanted to be a wrestler.

If that's true, then in fairness he didn't do that terribly. Sure, he was pretty awful in the ring, but his psycho stuff at least showed promise when it came to character-work.

Wow. That explains a lot.

[Bad News Gertner]

That I have never heard. Amazing. So he's in that line of Jeff Hardy, Chris Jericho, John Morrison and Dolph Ziggler, haha. Who else has been the next HBK?

Lol he was rumored to take HBK'S spot if Michaels jumped to WCW in 92-93

[Swiss Ultimate]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Thanks for sharing. Oh, yes, those Brian Christopher cries.

[Anybody Thrilla]

High Voltage

Oh man, I thought I was the only one. No idea why, though. Kenny Kaos and Rocky Rage, was it?

I always used to like Matt Hardy more than Jeff Hardy and Chavo more than Eddie. I have no clue why.

Matt Hardy V1 was great. Chavo during the time he had Pepe and the "EDDIE GUERRERO IS MY FAVORITE WRESTLER" t-shirt was great.

I didn't really rock too hard with either of them outside of those phases.

[Anybody Thrilla]

We've already discussed his "terribleness", and Scotty deserves none of it, but maybe in terms of "terrible" gimmicks, I enjoyed Too Much WAAAAAAAAY more than I enjoyed Too Cool.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Christopher's "Rockers", if you will. :lol:

HBK. Fuck outta here.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Nathan Jones. Was a perfect storm of strongman-turned-actor-turned-wrestler, a million-dollar gimmick (pleasantly unhinged, formerly incarcerated, and a backstory with Undertaker), an excuse for being so green (said prison stint), and checked Vince's boxes for "tall" and "looks the shit". Wasn't really anywhere as good as I wished he was, and not being able to handle the travel killed that dead.

Yeah, I honestly loved that segment they had of him and 'Taker training...I honestly thought that though he was quite inexperienced, in that video he looked to have so much potential. Really doesn't seem like he got much of a chance to improve before being shitcanned from WWE, but maybe he would've never been any good. I'd like to think that's not the case, but I guess we'll never get to find out.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Matt Morgan in WWE...he wasn't terrible by any means, just terribly utilized and seemingly also quite underutilized. I understand he went on to be pretty great for a while in TNA, which while I've never watched them, I'm glad he found a degree of success somewhere.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Matt Morgan is tricky, because if you've got him, you should push him, but that also means you have to push him.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The problem with Christopher is that while you can take the hillbilly out of Memphis, you can't take the Memphis out of the hillbilly. Or something like that.


at the end of the day he's still gonna wanna fuck his sister.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's not who he date-raped to get oiled up by Bradshaw was it?

[Bad News Gertner]

Oh man, I thought I was the only one. No idea why, though. Kenny Kaos and Rocky Rage, was it?



Matt Hardy V1 was great. Chavo during the time he had Pepe and the "EDDIE GUERRERO IS MY FAVORITE WRESTLER" t-shirt was great.

I didn't really rock too hard with either of them outside of those phases.

I thought their music was really cool

[Bad News Gertner]

Matt Morgan is tricky, because if you've got him, you should push him, but that also means you have to push him.

Matt Morgan is the biggest miss in recent memory. He should have been headlining Wrestlemanias. Big, agile, good look. It just never happened

[Bad News Gertner]

The problem with Christopher is that while you can take the hillbilly out of Memphis, you can't take the Memphis out of the hillbilly. Or something like that.


at the end of the day he's still gonna wanna fuck his sister.

The Between the Sheets did a podcast on 93 a while back and you should have heard the stuff printed about Christopher. People really thought he was going to be a mega star

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He was pretty good tbh, just eventually settled into a routine and didn't really do much other than comedy.

[Bad News Gertner]

He was really good when the WWF brought in all those light heavyweights in 97. Great matches with TAKA and Aguila

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Watched his match with Taka recently, was quite good.

Just a little too much Memphis heeling for my liking given it was a light heavyweight match, but he still kept up with Taka while being like 50-60 pounds heavier than him lol.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol I love Memphis heel schtick

[Mr. Nerfect]

Matt Morgan is the biggest miss in recent memory. He should have been headlining Wrestlemanias. Big, agile, good look. It just never happened

They should have given him more than the fucking stutter, that's for sure.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I actually really like the idea of Memphis heeling in the context of a light heavyweight match. Will actually check out that Between the Sheets podcast. I gave them a go once, but they just didn't hook me for whatever reason. I'll give it another go though, since sometimes mood really affects how open you are to those first impressions.

[Bad News Gertner]

Look at the time stamps and skip the areas you don't like. I always skip the Lucha section. This week's 1999 show is fucking incredible lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

See, that is my problem too, I've always been a "completest" and they're so long. But I'll fight those urges and look at isolated bits. I'll probably end up addicted, haha.

[Tom Guycott]

That I have never heard. Amazing. So he's in that line of Jeff Hardy, Chris Jericho, John Morrison and Dolph Ziggler, haha. Who else has been the next HBK?

Think you're forgetting Adam Cole... bay bay.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, Jesus, surely not?

[A.J.K]

The Brian Kendrick was also being mentioned in the "next HBK" list also.

[Vastardikai]

Tyler Breeze had elements of early HBK in NXT. Such as "Tyler Breeze has left the building," a la Elvis.

And he also sang his own theme song.

I think even at the time I made numerous references to it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I remember thinking that about Breeze too. I mean, not in the "this guy is the next HBK," but just that he was channeling that sort of stuff.

[Tom Guycott]

The Brian Kendrick was also being mentioned in the "next HBK" list also.

Yeah, points!

Hell, he was even getting the HBK/Diesel push with that Eziekel Jackson pairing. At first.

Oh yeah, Shane Helms started to get that "next HBK" mantle too. In WCW. Right at the start of his singles run post 3 Count. It was kinda weird having them speak that in the booth like a compliment and not some backhand jab at the competition in NY.

[Tom Guycott]

... seems like the "next HBK" thing should be its own thread.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I thought their music was really cool

What else would anyone need?

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'm not sure there'll ever be another suitable HBK in terms of...HBKness...so to speak...

...but I'll go out on a limb and say that if Sami Zayn is given opportunities to shine...

...actually, no. Can't even finish that thought without rolling my own eyes. Let's just chalk it up to "generational talent".

[Fignuts]

Glacier

I have always been huge into fighting games, and in the late 90's, I was all about Mortal Kombat. Marked out huge for Glacier.

[Cool King]

I actually quite liked Jesús.

He was an interesting character and he had a good look but he didn't last very long, so we never really got to see if he was terrible or not.

[Cool King]

I also liked Jackson Andrews and was interested in him before he got released for being an asshole and abusing Rosa Mendes.

[Cool King]

I loved them though.

I loved them too and seeing them return to SmackDown last year was great.

I just wish they had been signed permanently.

The same with Kenny and Mikey.

[Cool King]

Even more so after I found out that Kenny risked his job to make appearances on SmackDown which ultimately led to him losing that job.

[Shisen Kopf]

Great Khali. He was so bad that it was funny. Plus his promos are unintentionally hilarious

[Shisen Kopf]

Kizarny was also terrible but amusing

[owenbrown]

Jesus Christ I forgot about Kizarny wasn't he one match and done in the WWE?

[Shisen Kopf]

He beat MVP then he lost in a battle royal and then got future endeavored. Good times. a

[Bad News Gertner]

Loved Brutus Beefcake as a kid, but yeah not that good.

[KIRA]

Oh man how did I forget Glacier

Also I wanted to like Berlyn so much but they pussied out and he was just Alex Wright with a mohawk

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol I fucking loved that gimmick. Columbine fucked that up.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Alex was great in the ring. Loved him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I thought of Alex Wright, weirdly enough, even though I don't consider him terrible at all. And I thought "loved Alex Wright, but man Berlyn didn't pan out."

[Rammsteinmad]

I trained at Alex Wright's school and wrestled on a couple of his NECW shows back in 2011. Very cool guy. :y:

Anyways, my contribution to this thread, while I wouldn't consider this guy a "favourite" terrible wrestler, this segment is still weird/surreal/hilarious.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I knew that you were a wrestler, Rammsteinmad, but had no clue you trained with Wright. That is cool.

[Rammsteinmad]

Yeah, not for long, when I first moved to Germany I was looking for somewhere to train/a company to get in with... his was the nearest.

[Evil Vito]

Vito. Duh.

I mean, I always enjoyed him in WCW and I've no real idea why, I just became a fan of his fairly quickly. And in 2006 he made the toughest man in a dress gimmick better than it had any right to be.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I was a huge Alex Wright mark for some reason.

I really liked Johnny Stramboli or whatever too.

[KIRA]

I need to clarify I don't consider Wright terrible just so-so Berlyn just popped in my head as a failed gimmick that I wanted to love
Glacier WAS ACTUALLY terrible.

I have no clue why but I kinda liked Eric Watts even though I knew he sucked probably just thought his gear was cool

At one point I kinda liked Buff Bagwell mostly cause his partner in crime was the awesome Scott Norton but I always thought Buff was one of the worst.

[Cool King]

Rodney Mack.

But would he be what you would call "terrible?"

[Bad News Gertner]

I need to clarify I don't consider Wright terrible just so-so Berlyn just popped in my head as a failed gimmick that I wanted to love
Glacier WAS ACTUALLY terrible.

I have no clue why but I kinda liked Eric Watts even though I knew he sucked probably just thought his gear was cool

At one point I kinda liked Buff Bagwell mostly cause his partner in crime was the awesome Scott Norton but I always thought Buff was one of the worst.

Watts got pretty decent in the late 90's.

Fuck I forgot about Bagwell. He was my favourite wrestler from like 97-98.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Buff was most certainly the stuff at one point. Vicious and Delicious was probably the greatest WCW tag team of all time not from Hollywood with blonde hair.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Also, I loved the fuck out of Pretty Wonderful. I know Paul Orndorff gets a pass, but people seem to think Paul Roma sucked a lot of ass. I'm not so sure. I was also a fan of Power and Glory.

[Bad News Gertner]

People would think definitely of Roma if he didn't get thrown into the Horseman. He was very good.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I guess I just have good taste then.

[Helmsphere]

I don't know what the opinion was on him. I mean I know he was Above Average, but I digged Mike Sanders. Matches were not great, but I was a mark for him, for some reason. Suprised he didn't pan out after going over to WWE after it bought WCW.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

From what ive seen of Roma the dude could work. I like watching Powet and Glory. He just didnt have horsemen charisma.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I kind of love all backyard wrestlers. Something very charming about them.

[Emperor Smeat]

Where does Norman Smiley fit on the terrible to average scale?

He's another I just remembered about liking a lot in WCW for some reason.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Smiley is a trainer for WWE still, so there's probably some merit to his work.

[Anybody Thrilla]

He was fucking awesome, though.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Would like to see smileys non wcw work. He definitely embraced his goofy heel character and got kinda over with the dwindling wcw crowds. Remember when he was a standard prelim guy with no personalitu he was relatively proficient.

[Bad News Gertner]

He was outstanding in Mexico as "Black Magic".

[Anybody Thrilla]

Do you not remember his hardcore title run, Dale? Hilarious stuff.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I also loved how Heenan would always call him "Nor-MON ES-milay"

[Bad News Gertner]

I think that started on WCW Saturday Night. Scott Hudson would talk about how Smiley wanted his last name pronounced that way before he went Big Wiggle Norman

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Lol it was fucking hilarious...esp when fucking ralphus became his hired muscle

[KIRA]

People would think definitely of Roma if he didn't get thrown into the Horseman. He was very good.

From what Ive seen when peiole do talk about the Horsemen its like 'Yeah why the fuck is Paul Roma in that group?

[KIRA]

Watts got pretty decent in the late 90's.

Fuck I forgot about Bagwell. He was my favourite wrestler from like 97-98.

I'm glad somebody else remembered Watts I amost thought I was misremembering a wrestler

You liked Buff Bagwell without Norton?

I need to know what his appeal was.

Oh heres one I also got a huge kick out Macho Warrior Rick Hpgan

[KIRA]

He was outstanding in Mexico as "Black Magic".


Oh god Norman was a joy to watch even before the whole screamin gimmick

No one has named The Sandman yet what he does can't really be called wrestliing he was legit shitfaced most of thr time he was in the ring probably super dangerous to work with he's still a drunken fuck up

He's also independently wealthy and a super cool guy

[Bad News Gertner]

I'm glad somebody else remembered Watts I amost thought I was misremembering a wrestler

You liked Buff Bagwell without Norton?

I need to know what his appeal was.

Oh heres one I also got a huge kick out Macho Warrior Rick Hpgan

I loved Bagwell. I thought he was hilarious and I loved the Blockbuster

[Swiss Ultimate]

I think that started on WCW Saturday Night. Scott Hudson would talk about how Smiley wanted his last name pronounced that way before he went Big Wiggle Norman

Norman Smiley was the best thing about late WCW. Loved him.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Jobbers are not always "terrible". Most of them were pretty good in the ring.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Jesse as "Slam Master J" in the ring. His interactions with Cryme Tyme were quite amusing, but in the ring...yeeeeeaaaaahhhhhh...

Dug his theme, though, even if it sounds more CFO$ than Jim Johnston.

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[Anybody Thrilla]

Can't remember a single Just Joe match, but I liked the concept a lot.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Unrelated to the flow of this thread, but not to the thread itself, for clarification sake.

[Bad News Gertner]

Jesse as "Slam Master J" in the ring. His interactions with Cryme Tyme were quite amusing, but in the ring...yeeeeeaaaaahhhhhh...

Dug his theme, though, even if it sounds more CFO$ than Jim Johnston.

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Didn't he wrestle only one match against Charlie Haas I think?

[Evil Vito]

I have to throw The Boogeyman in here. The fact that he was a terrible wrestler didn't matter much because all of his matches were short. It was just a comically ridiculous gimmick and Marty Wright was ridiculously committed to it.

[Anybody Thrilla]

There was definitely some merit to The Boogeyman, I'll agree.

[KIRA]

Kenny Dykstra and his sick leg drop

[Emperor Smeat]

Gillberg is another that just came to mind even though he was purposely meant to be terrible as a joke against WCW.

[Shisen Kopf]

Honky Tonk Man

[Swiss Ultimate]

I remember being him on Nintendo a lot.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I trained at Alex Wright's school and wrestled on a couple of his NECW shows back in 2011. Very cool guy. :y:

Anyways, my contribution to this thread, while I wouldn't consider this guy a "favourite" terrible wrestler, this segment is still weird/surreal/hilarious.

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Yeah, well...I might be in the minority, but I loved that "weird/surreal/hilarious" segment, so ya know, fuck you or whatever.

Didn't he wrestle only one match against Charlie Haas I think?

LOL NOPE.

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LMFAO he and fucking Jimmy Wang Yang even teamed a time or two, also. :lol::rofl:


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[Phenomenal 1]

1. Test
2. Rico
3. Lodi
4. Perry Saturn
5. The Godfather

[Swiss Ultimate]

Was Saturn a terrible wrestler?

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol no. Neither was Rico.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Rico was tremendous. The Godfather is a good shout out though.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Godfather wasn't terrible... wasn't great either but damn did he get over when he was a pimp

[Mr. Nerfect]

Godfather wasn't terrible... wasn't great either but damn did he get over when he was a pimp

Oh, he was over. I just meant terrible from an in-ring perspective.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Godfather was awful in the ring

[Shisen Kopf]

What? The Ho Train was a technical masterpiece with superb workrate

[Evil Vito]

Rico was 40 when he got called up and he was moving around like a dude half his age.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Rico was a fucking ninja.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He was a cop too. Blue workers matter.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Rico was a police ninja.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I still remember Rico from being an American Gladiators legend, second only to Wesley "2 Scoops" Berry.

[Sixx]

1. Test
2. Rico
3. Lodi
4. Perry Saturn
5. The Godfather

I thought Saturn was ok in the ring.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah Saturn was good. Probably just only remembers him for Moppy and is discarding his ecw and wcw work.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Shouldn't be on any list with fucking Lodi on it LOL

[Sixx]

Also, Saturn is a hero. Shot in the neck for beating two guys who were about to rape a woman. Too bad this led to a methamphetamine addiction.

[Sepholio]

Saturn is one of my low key favorites. Criminally underrated if anything. Moss-covered Three-handled Family Gradunza, bitch.

[Vastardikai]

Just thought of one: The Nasty Boys. Awful workers, but they had fun brawls.

[Shisen Kopf]

Hacksaw Jim Duggan was pretty lousy but USA USA USA made him #1

[Mr. Nerfect]

Saturn is getting way too much play in here as "terrible."

[Heyman]

Grandmaster Sexay / Brian Christopher:

I'm not sure if he counts, but if he does, he's definitely on the list for me.

Honest to god - I was entertained by almost all of his matches when he was a heel.

Although Too Cool had some decent success as a Tag team back in 1999/2000 (around that time), I always secretly wished that Christopher would break away from Scotty 2 Hotty and have a decent heel run of sorts.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Grandmaster Sexay / Brian Christopher:

I'm not sure if he counts, but if he does, he's definitely on the list for me.

Honest to god - I was entertained by almost all of his matches when he was a heel.

Although Too Cool had some decent success as a Tag team back in 1999/2000 (around that time), I always secretly wished that Christopher would break away from Scotty 2 Hotty and have a decent heel run of sorts.

Review thread for brian christopher discussion

[Heyman]

Which one? I saw three from like 7-13 years ago.

I think the general consensus from those threads was thread GMS was a half-decent wrestler but basically threw his career away due to his addiction to coke.

It's too bad. He was a terrific heel. I loved his feud with Taka from like 1998.

[Anybody Thrilla]

This thread has some Brian Christopher talk a few pages back.

[Heyman]

KK, thanks. Also - I'm still trying to get rid of my "message board rust" which clearly explains why I didn't comprehend Dale's post towards me. :P

I didn't realise that Christopher was drawing comparisons to HBK during the mid 90's.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yup. HBK was rumoured to leave the WWF in like 93 and Christopher was going to be his replacement.