TPWW Greatest Manager of All Time Tournament: Second Round

[#1-norm-fan]

Paul Heyman

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vs

Joel Gertner

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Bobby Heenan

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/bobbyheenan.jpg

vs

The Grand Wizard

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Miss Elizabeth

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vs

Zeb Colter

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Jimmy Hart

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vs

Paul Ellering

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Paul Bearer

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vs

"Sensational" Sherri Martel

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Jim Cornette

https://ringthedamnbell.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/jim-cornette.jpg

vs

Captain Lou Albano

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"Classy" Freddie Blassie

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vs

JJ Dillon

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Sunny

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vs

Mr. Fuji

https://www.rickey.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/WWE-Hall-of-Famer-Mr.-Fuji-Dead-at-82.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

Cornette vs Albano is a pretty hot matchup for an early round. Both are doing slightly worse in this tournament than expected.

[#1-norm-fan]

*bump*

Sticky, please.

[Bad News Gertner]

Hated voting against Wizard :(. Lots of tough matches this round, especially Albano vs Cornette and Blassie vs Dillon

[Destor]

Stuck

[Destor]

Tossed a coin on Corny and Cap'n Lou

[Destor]

Also with managers I think legacy is the biggest criteria

[Evil Vito]

Some seriously good matchups in this one.

[Bad News Gertner]

Tossed a coin on Corny and Cap'n Lou

I went with Lou. One of the few bright spots on WWWF/WWF TV from what I've watched between 78-83 and man was their weekly TV ever dull . Ive watched WAY too much of it . He got some real brutal teams over to a degree back then (I know alot of it was Lou just getting himself over but still...the Yukon Lumberjacks. Ugh lol)

[Heyman]

Heyman for greatest manager and color commentator of all-time.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Heyman for greatest manager and color commentator of all-time.

Yup. No one nearly as good.

[Destor]

Really thought heyman was plugging himself for a bit; took my brain far too long to process that

[johnsmagic]

Should use a more recent picture of Sonny... tipping votes will go the other way very quickly

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Should use a more recent picture of Sonny... tipping votes will go the other way very quickly

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Corny and Albano was hard. I actually struggled with Zeb Colter and Miss Elizabeth too. As a performer, I must prefer Colter, but Miss Elizabeth was just so perfect as part of Randy Savage's entire package. I had to go with her. Also went with Sunny over Mr. Fuji, because Sunny was so fucking good at being Sunny.

[#1-norm-fan]

Either Cornette or Albano will be eliminated earlier than they should be. Letting TPWW decide the seeding though and they have declared it a round of 16 matchup.

[Destor]

Winner withnthe smallest margin faces winner with the largest?

[#1-norm-fan]

Also curious to see if Heyman and Heenan both make it to the finals without a single vote being made against either. They're currently 74-0 and 72-0 respectively.

[#1-norm-fan]

Winner withnthe smallest margin faces winner with the largest?

Basically but I'm including the voting from all rounds to prevent one crazy round from throwing things out of wack.

[Destor]

Given the nature of the seeding its unlikely until the semis. Cornette could get votes against either

[Destor]

Pringle could too i think

[Destor]

Hart probably should but not on this board

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't know. Hart shutting out Ellering like this is pretty surprising. I expected Ellering to have a few "What have you done for me lately?" votes from some newer fans.

[Bad News Gertner]

Jimmy Hart is an easy Top 5, probably Top 3

[Destor]

Jimmy Hart is an easy Top 5, probably Top 3

But on tpww...i dunno

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I actually struggled with Zeb Colter and Miss Elizabeth too. As a performer, I must prefer Colter, but Miss Elizabeth was just so perfect as part of Randy Savage's entire package. I had to go with her. Also went with Sunny over Mr. Fuji, because Sunny was so fucking good at being Sunny.

Yeah my motivation as well. And Fuji wasn't that great compared to Sytch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I underrate Jimmy Hart, I can admit it. I voted for him here though. Paul Ellering is fine, and I'm happy he's still working, but Jimmy Hart was way more effective and significant.

[Bad News Gertner]

Jimmy Hart in Memphis was incredible.

[Destor]

When i imagine what a manager should be in my head its jimmy hart thats the prototype

[Evil Vito]

I'm looking forward to seeing if Heenan and Heyman can both enter the finals with 0 votes against them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm looking forward to seeing if Heenan can go through the entire tournament without a vote against him. I think it's fairly indisputable that he's the greatest manager of all-time. I love both Heyman and Cornette, but I could vote either one against each other depending on the weather, but neither is getting the nod against Heenan; and they would be the first to vote for Heenan over themselves too.

[#1-norm-fan]

If it goes to a Heenan vs Heyman finals, I definitely think Heyman would get some votes. I thought Cornette might get a couple votes against Heenan, too but now I don't know.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Any Corny fan have to vote for Heenan. Corny said Heenan was the best ever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm fairly certain Heyman has said that about Heenan too. I'm fairly certain it's largely agreed upon that Heenan is the best. Anyway, this is getting ahead of ourselves and will take the fun out of the final.

[Destor]

I dont have to agree with these people...i mean i do..but the notion that because they think i must is weird.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No, I don't think you must agree with them at all. But as you said, you do.

[Destor]

In my head theres a strong argument for hart but i havent debated it with myself yet

[Destor]

If the match presents itself though itll be interesting

[Mr. Nerfect]

Okay, I can see that.

[Heyman]

Really thought heyman was plugging himself for a bit; took my brain far too long to process that

:D.

In all seriousness though, I think Jim Ross and Paul Heyman were the best duo commenting team in the history of wrestling, and its not even close. Although the alliance story angle was a let down for the most part, the chemistry between JR and Heyman was top notch.

Heyman has been absolute gold with Lesnar as well.

[Jordan]

Jimmy Hart was good, not great. Heyman is great, The Brain is the best. He broke the mold, then broke it again so that nobody could fit it, then broke the mold maker so that nobody could even come close.

What Heyman does is different, Heyman is a second, a hype man, he doesn't affect the finish and take bumps. Different roles. Well now I'm remembering the days when Heyman did do those things, and he was really good.

This will come to the two of them, there is no other option. Heenan.

[Destor]

If you can only name two managers better than jimmy hart then he's great

[Swiss Ultimate]

If you can only name two managers better than jimmy hart then he's great

Yep.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He's more than great he's a legend baaybe.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

What's with all the liars voting Sunny over Mr. Fuji? You risk the rib. She only got herself over and off backstage.

[#1-norm-fan]

Sunny did her job perfectly. Fuji forced them to bring in a second manager in to cut promos for Yokozuna. Obviously he served a purpose or they would have just let him go and had Cornette do it alone. He was a little old Japanese guy who was a good villain because "USA!" But don't put a manager who needed a manager of his own to cut promos for him on such a high pedestal. lol

[Bad News Gertner]

Sunny was wayyyyy better than Fuji. He was just window dressing .

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Name anybody who Sunny managed who was as over as Demolition? Don Muraco? Fuji Vice. You made very very poor choice kimosabe.

[Destor]

Fuji was far better. Got huge heat for his guys.

[Bad News Gertner]

Fuji didn't really do anything. Lol how many years in a row did he get voted worst manager by the Wrestling Observer?

Fuji was the Japanesse Arnold Skaaland

[Bad News Gertner]

Name anybody who Sunny managed who was as over as Demolition? Don Muraco? Fuji Vice. You made very very poor choice kimosabe.

Don Muraco was over WAY more with Grand Wizard and Captain Lou than he was with Fuji.

Demolition would have gotten over just as much without Fuji

[#1-norm-fan]

Name anybody who Sunny managed who was as over as Demolition? Don Muraco? Fuji Vice. You made very very poor choice kimosabe.

Shawn Michaels was pretty over with Jose Lothario in his corner...

[#1-norm-fan]

Like I said, Sunny never forced the company to bring in another manager to stand there with her because she couldn't cut promos. That's a pretty glaring flaw in his game. lol

[Destor]

Course its a flaw. But no matter how generic USA drones made fuji a heat magnet. Sunny...was just there. No one got anything out of it other than whoever was fucking her that night.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Sunny was a heat magnet. Great performer.

[Sepholio]

Skeet magnet is more like it.

[Destor]

Sunny was a heat magnet. Great performer.

She never managed anyome who was over. Maybe the LOD but if anything they gave her the rub

[Bad News Gertner]

Her stuff in Smoky Mountain Wrestling is better than anything Fuji did in the WWF

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sunny got me invested. The heat issue with Fuji is where I kind of have to jump off, because like Skaaland, I feel I am at risk of overestimating the capital they inherently had. If Undertaker started managing someone, and as a result they got super-over, even though he didn't do anything, does he take the credit for that? Or is he just a shitty manager with an over act?

[Swiss Ultimate]

Joel Gertner is a pretty cool guy and I'm Facebook acquaintances with him. Always cool.