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Heyman
10-27-2017, 01:04 PM
DISCUSSION - If the WWE ever had any intention of pushing Bray Wyatt, now is their chance.

1) Do not have a female wrestler play the part of Sister Abigail. Sister Abigail should be none other than Bray Wyatt.

2) With his 'Sister Abigail' split personality, Bray Wyatt becomes even more powerful and thus, is able to defeat wrestlers that he normally would not defeat.

This is one way how you can re-push Bray Wyatt and give him the main-event push that many believe he should have received a few years back (FYI - I wasn't in that camp as I felt that Bray needed to improve his in-ring work before warranting such a push).

I'm not sure how Bray looks in the ring these days, but if the WWE ever had a shot at re-igniting an old reclamation project, now would be the time.

Jordan X
10-27-2017, 02:10 PM
I'm not sure how Bray looks in the ring these days, but if the WWE ever had a shot at re-igniting an old reclamation project, now would be the time.

He was better than ever during his last match against Finn. I mean THE DEMON.

And you're totally right, Sister Abigal should be the Super Sayin Bray Wyatt, he does different moves (except the finish), and is more evil and totally merciless. Perhaps he bring in Authors of Pain to kill people for him.

I want a solid Bray push but it's cause I like the performer, the character has been beaten to death.

Heyman
10-27-2017, 02:14 PM
Good post Fragile.

I feel like it's "now or never" for Bray, in terms of him being a legit top guy.

If the WWE don't play this 'Sister Abigal' angle effectively, then I think Bray's chances of true stardom will be capoot.

The Dastardly One
10-27-2017, 03:08 PM
Tbh feel like he is already done

Destor
10-27-2017, 03:12 PM
Agree with Dale. Would be hard to rebound him.


Also doing drag would be a huge blunder.

#BrotherVito DELETED
10-27-2017, 04:19 PM
Yeah the ship has sailed. Impossible to invest in any of his promos because they mean absolutely nothing, especially since he loses constantly.

#BrotherVito DELETED
10-27-2017, 04:27 PM
They actually had a chance at redeeming him when Orton joined the Wyatt Family. For starters, it was the most interesting thing Orton has done in years. But more importantly, years of building himself up as some magnetic cult leader and he'd finally managed to convert a big name to follow him, giving his gimmick some semblance of credence.

And then.....

"It's not mine. It never was." Two sentences single-handedly ended any theory that Wyatt ever had any pull over Orton and highlighting once again that he's a big fat phony.

AMAZON WARLORD
10-27-2017, 04:48 PM
I am going to have a good laugh if Stephanie McMahon is Sister Abigail.

AMAZON WARLORD
10-27-2017, 04:48 PM
IT WAS ME ORTON!

Triple A
10-27-2017, 04:50 PM
On top of his gimmick/promos being extremely cringeworthy to me and making me groan and want to change the channel, have never seen a single "good" match with him since I started watching again like 2-3 years ago... I hate him

Maluco
10-27-2017, 06:09 PM
They actually had a chance at redeeming him when Orton joined the Wyatt Family. For starters, it was the most interesting thing Orton has done in years. But more importantly, years of building himself up as some magnetic cult leader and he'd finally managed to convert a big name to follow him, giving his gimmick some semblance of credence.

And then.....

"It's not mine. It never was." Two sentences single-handedly ended any theory that Wyatt ever had any pull over Orton and highlighting once again that he's a big fat phony.

I actually don't think him being a phony is a big deal. Cult leaders are phony by nature. Him being exposed is where the money was, and becoming wild and savage and angry at everyone.

It all hinged on him being painted as a dangerous man though, with or without backup...and he has been made to look like an idiot so many times now and beaten so many times that I agree with Heyman, it's now or never.

Not drag, but an obsessed, extra vicious Wyatt, driven by the fact that he has been discarded and ridiculed, would be the only way that he could be saved.

Instead I think he will come out in drag and get beaten and just continue to do the same promos and same routine forever.

Ruien
10-27-2017, 06:46 PM
They actually had a chance at redeeming him when Orton joined the Wyatt Family. For starters, it was the most interesting thing Orton has done in years. But more importantly, years of building himself up as some magnetic cult leader and he'd finally managed to convert a big name to follow him, giving his gimmick some semblance of credence.

And then.....

"It's not mine. It never was." Two sentences single-handedly ended any theory that Wyatt ever had any pull over Orton and highlighting once again that he's a big fat phony.

It was so money with Orton in the group. If they wanted Orton out they should have done it a different way. Also, Bray needs Harper and sheep guy.

DAMN iNATOR
10-27-2017, 07:03 PM
On top of his gimmick/promos being extremely cringeworthy to me and making me groan and want to change the channel, have never seen a single "good" match with him since I started watching again like 2-3 years ago... I hate him

Not even v. Cena at WrestleMania XXX? Was pretty good IMHO, even if Cena is most of the reason for that.

Noid
10-27-2017, 07:30 PM
Bray Wyatt slowly went from being a crazy cult leader to being some sort of supernatural entity, and it sucks. Outcomes of his matches aside, the general direction of his character fucking sucks.

I've never been too big on Wyatt in the ring. I really liked a match he had with Ryback, oddly enough, but I find that he's never been able to keep up with the gimmick. He's great on the mic, and honestly, the meandering promos don't bother me as much as they do others. He's not supposed to be have real answers -- he's a deluded nutjob. That being said, if they were more pointed and focused on his opponents in unique ways, then that would improve them leaps and bounds. One of the best "actors" in the company though, if that meant anything. I think he could make a lot of things he could do believable.

That being said, they shouldn't be trying to make him make the ridiculous look believable. What is that line from the Robert Downey, Jr. movie? Sorry to use the term, but it's going "full retard" with him. If the fans don't believe the end result, but he's so sincere about it, then it just makes it impossible to take anything about him seriously.

I don't know what you do with him. I don't care. I didn't care enough when he was good. I resent the direction SmackDown took in 2017, and his meaningless run to do the goofy shit with Orton sucked. Maybe he can become a mouthpiece for Harper? I know that's not a very inspired answer, but there isn't much I could give a shit about him doing in the ring. I've always said him exposing Triple H and going face against him could be fun, but who would really care about that?

They'll keep him around for years and years. His career isn't done. They think they've got something in his act. They think they've got a dude they can have anyone beat and then he can just come back the next week and do the same shit and people will suddenly care. But he's the second most exhausted guy on the roster besides Dolph Ziggler at the moment.

Emperor Smeat
10-27-2017, 07:41 PM
If WWE is ever going to be serious about pushing Bray, its probably going to be as a face. His current gimmick has too much damage done from WWE's terrible handling and the "Sister Abigail" persona feel more like a blatant copy of Balor's split persona than an honest reboot in direction for him.

WWE's biggest mistake with Bray was believing they already had the next Undertaker and didn't feel they needed to put the real effort into building/developing Bray. Its why every big feud of Bray follows the same route and mistakes since WWE refuses to correct them.

Triple A
10-27-2017, 07:52 PM
Not even v. Cena at WrestleMania XXX? Was pretty good IMHO, even if Cena is most of the reason for that.

I started watching again after that I think... don't remember that match

From what I "gather," Bray Wyatt used to be good/interesting like 3-4 years ago and that might be why a lot of people like him... because they know he has the potential to be good... while I probably started watching after that and have always thought he was horrible

Seph
10-27-2017, 08:01 PM
They need to play the Sister Abigail thing differently. Not as some supernatural spirit taking control of him but rather him legit just losing his shit and going insane. Have him be some kind of berserk killing machine whenever the Abigail persona comes out.

People will try to expose him and convince him Sister Abigail isn't real and he just goes into full paranoid delusions and denial and slips further into insanity as a result. Then one day someone finally does convince him the whole Sister Abigail thing is in his head, he comes to terms with it and is able to consciously channel that power into the normal Bray Wyatt without the need for the alternate persona. That's the way you salvage his current situation.

Noid
10-27-2017, 08:26 PM
Leave him off TV for a long time, I say. There is nothing he can do right now. Wait until the 2019 Royal Rumble to bring him back, or something. He's still fairly young. Give him some time off to rest his body, find a nest, work on promos, write a book, do some acting, get himself leaner and meaner, whatever. Send him to India on pilgrimage using the gimmick, or whatever. Have him work for Khali's promotion. Have him help agent NXT matches. Anything. Maybe when that theme hits in 15 months time, it might get a decent pop.

Noid
10-27-2017, 08:27 PM
I started watching again after that I think... don't remember that match

From what I "gather," Bray Wyatt used to be good/interesting like 3-4 years ago and that might be why a lot of people like him... because they know he has the potential to be good... while I probably started watching after that and have always thought he was horrible

There were people down on it from the start too. It wasn't universally loved. But "interesting" is apropos.

Vastardikai
10-27-2017, 08:55 PM
The "being a mouthpiece for Harper" thing is kind of funny to me, as I feel like Harper did the best Bray Wyatt promos. As in, he was creepy and disturbing, but used it to get to his point without rambling.

The biggest fuck up of that angle with Orton is, they buried the one guy who actually got over in it. Because WWE Creative doesn't know that a guy out for revenge, while a storytelling trope, is a trope because IT FUCKING WORKS. They dumb lucked into a great story, but because Orton is the established guy, they didn't run with it.

I'm not saying Harper should be WWE World Champion right now. What I am saying is that Harper should have had a feud with Corbin during this time, to help get either or both ready for a solid run on top. Instead, they take him off TV for six months, then put him back with Rowan with an even shittier gimmick as punishment for doing what he was supposed to do as a wrestler.

Noid
10-27-2017, 09:01 PM
Harper must have done that horror movie without Vince's permission or something, because the way they have done next to nothing with him for ages has been really weird.

Noid
10-27-2017, 10:12 PM
I just gave it a coffee think. One thing they haven't done with Wyatt is the hunter becoming the hunted. A faction coming up to try and dismantle Bray, forcing him to get his family back together, might be the last ditch resort they have. Or maybe it's just a singles guy? Lars Sullivan killing Bray would be fun. But on the assumption that they will want to keep Bray around, it is probably better if it's a stable.

I could see them doing a Kane/Bray Wyatt alliance too, but I'm not sure Kane is going to be around long enough for that.

#1-wwf-fan
10-28-2017, 02:14 AM
The time to make Bray an icon was 4 years ago. He was weird and creepy and his cyptic promos carried some weight when he was being treated as a psychological killer and beating everyone's hero Daniel Bryan clean. But WWE is the drizzling shits and fucked it up. I could care less now. The ship has sailed.

Stickman
10-29-2017, 01:35 AM
He is a jobber, can he become the next Jinder Mahal??

Fignuts
10-29-2017, 10:11 AM
The time to make Bray an icon was 4 years ago. He was weird and creepy and his cyptic promos carried some weight when he was being treated as a psychological killer and beating everyone's hero Daniel Bryan clean. But WWE is the drizzling shits and fucked it up. I could care less now. The ship has sailed.

This. He was so strong going into WrestleMania 30. He had an aura about him that rivaled Lesnar and Taker. And then it all went to shit from there.

Bray Wyatt is my favorite wrestler in WWE. And the moment I decided to completely give up on investing any emotion or hope into WWE's characters and storylines, was the moment Bray Wyatt won the title and I didn't give a shit. Because WWE had done everything they could to make me not care about him.

Heyman
10-29-2017, 10:32 AM
I agree that Wyatt's lack of push these past four years has been disappointing, but I'm not sure if he's beyond saving...........especially if they play off the Sister Abigail shit correctly.

CM Punk and Daniel Bryan spent a number of years in the WWE just 'widdling away' before they received massive pushes which the fans got behind. Why couldn't the same happen here?

Fignuts
10-29-2017, 10:40 AM
I think the point is he can still be redeemed somewhat, but only up to being another main event talent.

That feeling of something truly special is almost impossible to recapture once it's been squandered, and I don't trust WWE's creative to make Bray Wyatt the exception.

Heyman
10-29-2017, 10:47 AM
That feeling of something truly special is almost impossible

Depends on what your definition of that is, but again...........I point to Punk and Bryan.

I'm sure there are a handful of other examples of wrestlers that were 'stagnant' for a number of years before catching fire.

Stickman
10-29-2017, 11:17 AM
The difference with CM Punk/Bryan is that they are fantastic in the ring and that overcomes a lot of shit story lines and character flaws. Wyatt is pretty average in the ring. Is he a technical wrestler, a brawler, a tough guy? No, so what is he?

#1-wwf-fan
10-29-2017, 01:18 PM
Yeah, Bryan and Punk's character was "I'm really good at wrestling". WWE can't really fuck that up. They can book them like shit and make them uninteresting but then if they actually decide to push them, they could still use "they're good wrestlers" and it would work because they are.

Wyatt's character is one of a deranged, charismatic cult leader. Once he's been made out to be a joke not to be taken seriously for so long, the character is dead.

Shisen Kopf
10-29-2017, 01:21 PM
Now that Darren Young is gone. They should re-package (huh-huh-huh) him as GAY Wyatt. Super fabulous fat man. They can do some promo explaining how he caught the gay while he was out.

Heyman
10-29-2017, 01:53 PM
Now that Darren Young is gone. They should re-package (huh-huh-huh) him as GAY Wyatt. Super fabulous fat man. They can do some promo explaining how he caught the gay while he was out.

Darren Young can be repackaged as Sister Abigail. :y:

DAMN iNATOR
10-29-2017, 02:59 PM
I agree that Wyatt's lack of push these past four years has been disappointing, but I'm not sure if he's beyond saving...........especially if they play off the Sister Abigail shit correctly.

CM Punk and Daniel Bryan spent a number of years in the WWE just 'widdling away' before they received massive pushes which the fans got behind. Why couldn't the same happen here?

Really? Is that how Bryan won (IIRC) every single company title available to him in 5 years? (WWE, WHC, WWE WHC, WWE Tag, Intercontinental, US) between 2011 and January 2016? I don't think I can recall a single moment in his in-ring career where he was directionless or floating.

Sure, "NO!" and "YES!" might not be the catchiest catchphrases ever to the smart crowds, nor was Team Hell No a reinvention of the wheel by any means as it pertains to tag team names, but in all those circumstances, crowds, both casual and hardcore alike are it up.

Noid
10-29-2017, 07:26 PM
He was pretty quiet after his US Title win until his Money in the Bank cash-in a year later. He may have won all those belts, but he also had to lose them. Alberto Del Rio is a four-time World Champion and former Royal Rumble winner. What does that really mean?

#1-wwf-fan
10-29-2017, 08:05 PM
lol Yeah, winning titles does not mean shit anymore.

Noid
10-29-2017, 08:08 PM
Heath Slater is a 4-time Tag Team Champion of the World.

#1-wwf-fan
10-29-2017, 08:21 PM
Remember last year when Zack Ryder was so white hot that they had to give him the IC title at WrestleMania?

Noid
10-29-2017, 08:33 PM
No? Was it so hot it fizzled my brain out?

Noid
10-29-2017, 08:34 PM
Sometimes I like to play a game where I think of women on the main roster who haven't won a belt. I think you've got 3.

Noid
10-29-2017, 08:34 PM
Actually, I don't want to be hyperbolic -- 4, if you count Lana as an active wrestler.

Tom Guycott
10-30-2017, 02:22 AM
Really? Is that how Bryan won (IIRC) every single company title available to him in 5 years? (WWE, WHC, WWE WHC, WWE Tag, Intercontinental, US) between 2011 and January 2016? I don't think I can recall a single moment in his in-ring career where he was directionless or floating.


They randomly shoved him into The Wyatt Family apropos of nothing. It made zero sense to do, and the fans weren't buying it.

Also, a lot of his WWE tenure was a bunch of directionless floating. Methinks you're confusing "holding a championship" with "doing stuff with". There have been plenty of titleholders - sometimes even World Champions - put on the back burner and or glossed over for one reason or another. I think his rise over The Authority was more a tale of a story that ended up writing itself than any actual plans laid down by WWE, and if they had started CWC years sooner, Daniel Bryan would only have risen to the heights of multiple time purple belt winner in the "this is all you are" division. Because he's "small".

As for Wyatt, he could use a retool. Let this sickness recovery be a reset button like they did with that one RAW that was shaping up to be a shitshow until mother nature stepped in with a blizzard.

Less cryptic, meandering promos, less Rob Zombie cosplay, and less getting into feuds he just loses. Once again, who's going to take him seriously if he loses all the fucking time?