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Destor
11-10-2017, 02:54 PM
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<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option> <option>#1. Trish Stratus vs Charlotte (27-13)</option> <option>#2. Trish Stratus vs The Miz (20-13)</option> <option>#3. Trish Stratus vs Booker T (19-19)</option> <option>#4. Trish Stratus vs The Big Show (19-9)</option> <option>#5. Trish Stratus vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (10-25)</option> <option>#6. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Bokker T (22-13)</option> <option>#7. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Kevin Nash (17-16)</option> <option>#8. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs John Cena (6-21)</option> <option>#9. John Cena vs Kevin Owens (25-8)</option> <option>#10. John Cena vs Goldberg (28-4)</option> <option>#11. John Cena vs Chris Jericho (4-33)</option> <option>#12. Chris Jericho vs AJ Styles (26-6)</option> <option>#13. Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit (26-5)</option> <option>#14. Chris Jericho vs Kurt Angle (9-27)</option> <option>#15. Kurt Angle vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-5)</option> <option>#16. Kurt Angle vs "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes (17-14)</option> <option>#17. Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero (23-12)</option> <option>#18. Kurt Angle vs "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (21-22)</option> <option>#19. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Christian (31-7)</option> <option>#20. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Mick Foley (27-7)</option><option>#21. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (20-23)</option><option>#22. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs Vader (24-15)</option><option>#23. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-18)</option><option>#24. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (12-24)</option><option>#25. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior (34-4)</option><option>#26. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-3)</option><option>#27. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Triple H (32-6)</option><option>#28. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs The Undertaker (24-19)</option><option>#29. Roman Reigns vs Lex Luger (21-20)</option><option>#30. Roman Reigns vs The Great Khali (20-18)</option><option>#31. Roman Reigns vs AJ Lee (14-24)</option><option>#32. AJ Lee vs Emma (32-6)</option><option>#33. AJ Lee vs Lita (11-26)</option><option>#34. Lita vs John Morrison (15-22)</option><option> #35. John Morrison vs Ricochet (26-6)</option><option>#36. John Morrison vs Dean Malenko (8-25)</option><option>#37. Dean Malenko vs Perry Saturn (23-10)</option><option>#38. Dean Malenko vs Taz (19-22)</option><option>#39. Taz vs Shane Douglas (28-3)</option><option>#40. Taz vs Raven (15-19)</option><option>#41. Raven vs Bray Wyatt (20-11)</option><option>#42. Raven vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (7-25)</option><option>#43. "Diamond" Dallas Page vs Scott Hall (14-16)</option><option>#44. Scott Hall vs Sid Vicious (29-4)</option><option>#45. Scott Hall vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (26-8)</option><option>#46. Scott Hall vs "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase (13-17)</option><option>#47. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase vs "Dr. Death" Steve Williams (24-6)</option><option>#48. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase vs Sting (12-26)</option><option>#49. Sting vs Matt Hardy (26-8)</option><option>#50. Sting vs Edge (13-24)</option><option>#51. Edge vs Kane (20-13)</option><option>#52. Edge vs Dean Ambrose (22-13)</option><option>#53. Edge vs CM Punk (12-24)</option><option>#54. CM Punk vs Rob Van Damn (18-19) </option><option>#55. Rob Van Dam vs Adrian Neville (26-7)</option><option>#56. Rob Van Dam vs Rey Mysterio (10-22)</option><option>#57. Rey Mysterio vs Scott Steiner (18-12)</option><option>#58. Rey Mysterio vs Jeff Hardy (20-15)</option><option>#59. Rey Mysterio vs Brock Lesnar (6-26)</option><option>#60. Brock Lesnar vs John "Bradshaw" Layfield (28-3)</option><option>#61. Brock Lesnar vs Randy Orton (21-12)</option><option>#62. Brock Lesnar vs John Cena (13-17)</option><option> #63. John Cena vs Vince McMahon (18-12)</option><option>#64. John Cena vs Andre The Giant (11-18)</option><option>#65. Andre The Giant vs The Big Show (21-8)</option><option>#66. Andre The Giant vs Sgt. Slaughter (23-5)</option><option>#67. Andre The Giant vs Chris Jericho (15-18)</option><option>#68. Chris Jericho vs Shinsuke Nakamura (23-5)</option><option> #69. Chris Jericho vs Terry Funk (18-19)</option><option>#70. Terry Funk vs Bob Backlund (22-6)</option><option>#71. Terry Funk vs Jerry "The King" Lawler (14-15)</option><option>#72. Jerry "The King" Lawler vs Bam Bam Bigelow (19-6)</option><option>#73. Jerry "The King" Lawler vs Harley Race (14-11)</option><option>#74. Jerry "The King" Lawler vs "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson (15-20)</option><option>#75. "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson vs Austin Ares (26-2)</option><option>#76. "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (24-13)</option><option>#77. "The American Dragon" Bryan Danielson vs "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (7-31)</option><option> #78. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Mitsuharu Misawa (18-11)</option><option>#79. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho (20-17)</option><option>#80. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs CM Punk (27-5)</option><option>#81. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Hulk Hogan (21-11)</option><option>#82. "Road Warrior" Animal vs "Road Warrior" Hawk (9-22)</option><option>#83. "Road Warrior" Hawk vs D-Von Dudley (20-6)</option><option>#84. "Road Warrior" Hawk vs Bubba Ray Dudley (6-21)</option><option>#85. Bubba Ray Dudley vs X-Pac (8-17)</option><option>#86. 1-2-3 Kid vs "The Road Dogg" Jesse James (29-1)</option></select>
<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option></select>
<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option><option>#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)</option><option>#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)</option><option>#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)</option><option>#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)</option><option>#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)</option><option>#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)</option><option>#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)</option><option>#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)</option><option>#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)</option><option>#172. Bryan Danielson vs. The Miz (42-26)</option><option>#173. Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Benoit (27-40)</option><option>#174. Chris Benoit vs. Chavo Guerrero (53-8)</option><option>#175. Chris Benoit vs. Perry Saturn (48-13)</option><option>#176. Chris Benoit vs. Lance Storm (36-21)</option><option>#177. Chris Benoit vs. Ted Dibiase (41-34)</option><option>#178. TAKA Michinoku vs. Sho Funaki (51-9)</option><option>#179. TAKA Michinoku vs. Santino Marella (48-9)</option><option>#180. TAKA Michinoku vs. Rey Mysterio (23-41)</option><option>#181. Rey Mysterio vs. Gregory Helms (34-8)</option><option>#182. Rey Mysterio vs. Jeff Hardy (41-18)</option><option>#183. Rey Mysterio vs. Diamond Dallas Page (34-37)</option><option>#184. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Big Boss Man (49-5)</option><option>#185. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (34-18)</option><option>#186. Diamond Dallas Page vs. CM Punk (19-41)</option><option>#187. CM Punk vs. Terry Funk (35-18)</option><option>#188. CM Punk vs. Kane (40-13)</option><option>#189. CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam (39-22)</option><option>#190. CM Punk vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (39-37)</option><option>#191. Ted DiBiase, Jr. vs. Cody Rhodes (23-36)</option><option>#192. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (10-51)</option><option>#193. Goldust vs. Shelton Benjamin (41-22)</option><option>#194. Goldust vs. Rick Rude (21-37)</option><option>#195. Rick Rude vs. Rick Martel (42-6)</option><option>#196. Rick Rude vs. The Big Show (30-15)</option><option>#197. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts (26-38)</option><option>#198. Jake Roberts vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (50-16)</option><option>#199. Jake Roberts vs. Arn Anderson (39-31)</option><option>#200. Jake Roberts vs. Brian Pillman (34-20)</option><option>#201. Jake Roberts vs. Edge (42-28)</option><option>#202. Raven vs. Shane Douglas (45-6)</option><option>#203. Raven vs. R-Truth (39-6)</option><option>#204. Raven vs. Booker T (31-40)</option><option>#205. Booker T vs. Jerry Lawler (37-20)</option><option>#206. Booker T vs. Sheamus (51-11)</option><option>#207. Booker T vs. Christian (21-33)</option><option>#208. Christian vs. Jushin "Thunder" Liger (30-21)</option><option>#209. Christian vs. Kevin Nash (30-24)</option><option>#210. Christian vs. Randy Orton (41-22)</option><option>#211. Christian vs. Eddie Guerrero (10-66)</option><option>#212. Eddie Guerrero vs. Andre the Giant (55-16)</option><option>#213. Eddie Guerrero vs. Hulk Hogan (47-29)</option><option>#214. Eddie Guerrero vs. Scott Hall (47-18)</option><option>#215. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Rock (28-40)</option><option>#216. The Rock vs. William Regal (39-17)</option><option>#217. The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar (47-13)</option><option>#218. The Rock vs. Sting (31-19)</option><option>#219. The Rock vs. Triple H (40-27)</option><option>#220. Ahmed Johnson vs. Ezekiel Jackson (41-11)</option><option>#221. Ahmed Johnson vs. The Godfather (6-44)</option><option>#222. The Godfather vs. D'Lo Brown (9-42)</option><option>#223. D'Lo Brown vs. Val Venis (29-20)</option><option>#224. D'Lo Brown vs. Mark Henry (36-23)</option><option>#225. D'Lo Brown vs. The Miz (10-46)</option><option>#226. The Miz vs. John Morrison (52-13)</option><option>#227. The Miz vs. Dolph Ziggler (39-49)</option><option>#228. Dolph Ziggler vs. Wade Barrett (42-21)</option><option>#229. Dolph Ziggler vs. John Cena (38-31)</option><option>#230. Dolph Ziggler vs. Lance Storm (38-37)</option><option>#231. Dolph Ziggler vs. Curt Hennig (18-55)</option><option>#233. Curt Hennig vs. Zack Ryder (62-8)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Vader (45-14)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Owen Hart (38-22)</option><option>#235. Curt Hennig vs. Ric Flair (48-39)</option><option>#236. Jesse James vs. Billy Gunn (16-38)</option><option>#237. Billy Gunn vs. Sabu (40-15)</option><option>#238. Billy Gunn vs. Scott Steiner (20-38)</option><option>#239. Scott Steiner vs. Billy Kidman (28-26)</option><option>#240. Scott Steiner vs. Alberto Del Rio (25-34)</option><option>#241. Alberto Del Rio vs. X-Pac (29-25)</option><option>#242. Alberto Del Rio vs. Cody Rhodes (19-44)</option><option>#243. Cody Rhodes vs. Kofi Kingston (49-7)</option><option>#244. Cody Rhodes vs. Dusty Rhodes (30-30)</option><option>#245. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (18-31)</option><option>#246. Goldust vs. Dusty Rhodes (31-15)</option><option>#247. Goldust vs. Vader (29-39)</option><option>#248. Vader vs. Yokozuna (55-8)</option><option>#249. Vader vs Stan Hansen (31-10)</option><option>#250. Vader vs. Mick Foley (15-41)</option><option>#251. Mick Foley vs. Terry Funk (34-18)</option><option>#252. Mick Foley vs. Santino Marella (60-2)</option><option>#253. Mick Foley vs. Diamond Dallas Page (40-19)</option><option>#254. Mick Foley vs. Edge (49-28)</option><option>#255. Tajiri vs. Super Crazy (62-4)</option><option>#256. Tajiri vs The Great Muta (17-35)</option><option>#257. The Great Muta vs. Ultimo Dragon (32-28)</option><option>#258. The Great Muta vs. Brian Pillman (32-21)</option><option>#259. The Great Muta vs. Booker T (24-36)</option><option>#260. Booker T vs. Ron Simmons (50-13)</option><option>#261. Booker T vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (37-20)</option><option>#262. Booker T vs. Daniel Bryan (28-20)</option><option>#263. Booker T vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-40)</option><option>#264. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. "Cowboy" Bob Orton (48-6)</option><option>#265. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Christian (30-13)</option><option>#266. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Scott Hall (37-15)</option><option>#267. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Eddie Guerrero (31-32)</option><option>#268. Eddie Guerrero vs. Mr. Anderson (56-1)</option><option>#269. Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio (41-11)</option><option>#270. Eddie Guerrero vs. Ted DiBiase (41-13)</option><option>#271. Eddie Guerrero vs. Triple H (40-32)</option><option>#272. Kane vs. Ryback (50-15)</option><option>#273. Kane vs. Sid (28-23)</option><option>#274. Kane vs. Big Show (41-13)</option><option>#275. Kane vs. Sting (12-46)</option><option>#276. Sting vs. Lex Luger (49-2)</option><option>#277. Sting vs. Rick Rude (30-28)</option><option>#278. Sting vs. Rob Van Dam (37-12)</option><option>#279. Sting vs. Hulk Hogan (29-30)</option><option>#280. Hulk Hogan vs. Andre "The Giant" (46-14)</option><option>#281. Hulk Hogan vs. Jeff Hardy (49-11)</option><option>#282. Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior (37-15)</option><option>#283. Hulk Hogan vs. John Cena (40-21)</option></select>
<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>Bret "Hitman" Hart</option><option>Chris Benoit</option><option>CM Punk</option><option>Jake "The Snake" Roberts</option><option>The Rock</option><option>"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig</option><option>Mick Foley</option><option>Eddie Guerrero</option><option>Hulk Hogan</option></select>
<select><option selected="selected">Previous Best Wrestler Tournament History</option><option>ROUND 1</option><option>#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)</option><option>#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)</option><option>#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)</option><option>#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)</option><option>#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)</option><option>#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)</option><option>#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)</option><option>#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)</option><option>ROUND 2</option><option>#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)</option><option>#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)</option><option>#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)</option><option>#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)</option><option>ROUND 3</option><option>#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)</option><option>#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)</option><option>ROUND 4</option><option>#15. Randy Savage vs Shawn Michaels (25-48)</option><option>#16. HBK VS Chris Jericho (20-17)</option></select>

Destor
11-10-2017, 02:55 PM
Scott Norton was a legit main eventer overseas. Syxx was a mid card guy anywhere on earth.


Norton.

Destor
11-10-2017, 02:56 PM
Also I will be traveling all next week so I may up one while in the hotel I may not. Dunno.

Bad News Gertner
11-10-2017, 03:11 PM
This is your answer

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/522a2049e4b0a0ce717e990c/56a3ae45841aba26cfb81953/56a3ae4569492eb24c3b348d/1453567578526/nortonbomb.gif

KIRA
11-10-2017, 03:12 PM
This is going to be a pleasure Scott fuckin Norton

X-pac may be good in ring but Norton was/is just a joy to watch doesnt matter if its Japan or Killing luchas on Nitro. I'll never understand why WCW didn't push him to the moon.
Plus he has one the sickest looking power bombs ever.

Where is that Norton tribute thread?

Destor
11-10-2017, 03:50 PM
Very early obviously but this *could* be a good match up

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-10-2017, 04:27 PM
Norton did well in Japan but is a charisma vacuum in the states.

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-10-2017, 04:28 PM
It is like choosing Albert over Pac.

Destor
11-10-2017, 04:30 PM
Fuck you newstead #ECGdebates

KIRA
11-10-2017, 04:36 PM
It is like choosing Albert over Pac.

The fuck?:rant:

Swiss Ultimate
11-10-2017, 04:45 PM
It is like choosing Albert over Pac.

That's kind of what I was thinking. Pac had great matches with HBK and Razor Ramone.

Norton's powerbomb is amazing admittedly

SlickyTrickyDamon
11-10-2017, 04:45 PM
I'm a Reverse Meltzer due to his jacking off about Japan for years. Nothing in Japan counts.

Xpac wins.

Shisen Kopf
11-10-2017, 04:51 PM
Xpac wore badannas and looked like a greasy wigger. Norton did not.

Ruien
11-10-2017, 04:51 PM
123 Kind. By far has a biggest.impact on wrestling (lol overseas). I can't name a single storyline Norton was in besides being a NWO guy.

KIRA
11-10-2017, 05:21 PM
That's kind of what I was thinking. Pac had great matches with HBK and Razor Ramone.

Norton's powerbomb is amazing admittedly

I'm gonna watch one these so called great matches between HBK and X-pac

and see if its as good as the 4 seconds it takes Norton to powerbomb peoples bodies away from their souls

Maluco
11-10-2017, 05:55 PM
X Pac was one of the most trusted workers in his time in WWE. He was literally the go to guy for new talent to be tested and joined the nWo as the guy to carry the workload. At his peak he was extremely popular too.

X-factor was abysmal, but nWo B was just as bad and did a ton of damage to the brand.

I can literally only remember powerbombs when I think of Norton.

Bested here by a better worker and a more charismatic personality in Pac

Rammsteinmad
11-10-2017, 06:01 PM
X-Pac.

Scott Norton is like the Rick Astley of wrestling.

Destor
11-10-2017, 06:06 PM
Walman is in no way the better worker

Destor
11-10-2017, 06:06 PM
No. Fucking. Way,

SlickyTrickyDamon
11-10-2017, 06:14 PM
Walman is in no way the better worker

ok dave meltzer.

SlickyTrickyDamon
11-10-2017, 06:15 PM
Who did Bret Hart want to work with?

Destor
11-10-2017, 06:21 PM
Hart drew less in then states the norton did in japan

Destor
11-10-2017, 06:21 PM
Aka #bretwho

Swiss Ultimate
11-10-2017, 06:55 PM
Hart drew less in then states the norton did in japan

Um are you sugfesting that Norton was better than Bret???

Destor
11-10-2017, 06:59 PM
Im not suggesting that at all

Destor
11-10-2017, 06:59 PM
Im flat out saying it

KIRA
11-10-2017, 07:18 PM
X Pac was one of the most trusted workers in his time in WWE. He was literally the go to guy for new talent to be tested and joined the nWo as the guy to carry the workload. At his peak he was extremely popular too.

X-factor was abysmal, but nWo B was just as bad and did a ton of damage to the brand.

I can literally only remember powerbombs when I think of Norton.

Bested here by a better worker and a more charismatic personality in Pac

I think you might be confusing loud and annoying with charasmatic

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-10-2017, 07:21 PM
Im flat out saying it

You are flat out wrong.

Destor
11-10-2017, 07:22 PM
Not even sort of. Easily the most overrated worker of all time and the worst champion of all time as well.

Destor
11-10-2017, 07:23 PM
And ftr i love watching his matches; that doesnt mean anything other than he's niche and im his market

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-10-2017, 07:26 PM
You're a strictly numbers guy. I'm not. So we won't find common ground here.

Also, Shawn and Diesel did worse business as champs.

Destor
11-10-2017, 07:28 PM
Shawns 2nd run cancels out his 1st run though. Nash in WCW was a draw as well.

Destor
11-10-2017, 07:29 PM
Hart however never got people to pay to see him. People didnt resonate with his stuff outside of regional markets. Is what it is.

Destor
11-10-2017, 07:31 PM
Now Nortan vs Waltman? Cmon. Nortons stuff was so believable. Great bruiser if there ever was one. WCW passed up a lot of tickets by not utilizing him more.

Destor
11-10-2017, 07:31 PM
When Vader left for new york norton should have taken that spot

Destor
11-10-2017, 07:34 PM
But instead he became the top act for the 2nd biggest market in the world...and waltman became the leader of the x factor.

Maluco
11-10-2017, 07:58 PM
I think you are severely underestimating Waltman at his peak tbh.

Norton had little to no personality and that's why he wasn't pushed. Big brawlers are cool to watch, but if all you can do is brawl, there is a ceiling to what you can achieve in the US.

I have said this before, but I had quite a few friends whose actual favourite in a peak era, was X-Pac. He was over, he was popular, he was part of two of the biggest groups in wrestling history and he had exciting matches at his peak.

Maluco
11-10-2017, 08:00 PM
X-Pac is the Limp Bizkit to Norton's Drowning Pool.

Both had their day, but while one was a one hit wonder, the other had a sustained period of success, in spite of how annoying they would become

Ruien
11-10-2017, 08:04 PM
Come on Destor, the 2nd biggest market does not matter. How many people in the Canadian Football League does anyone know of? Fucking 0 because it does not matter.

Destor
11-10-2017, 08:07 PM
Japan has a huge market. CFL does not.

Destor
11-10-2017, 08:08 PM
It only doesnt matter if you dont look at butts in seats and only look at your preconceived notions

Destor
11-10-2017, 08:08 PM
Norton had legitimate success as a top guy in a legitimate market

KIRA
11-10-2017, 10:53 PM
X Pac was one of the most trusted workers in his time in WWE. He was literally the go to guy for new talent to be tested and joined the nWo as the guy to carry the workload. At his peak he was extremely popular too.

X-factor was abysmal, but nWo B was just as bad and did a ton of damage to the brand.

I can literally only remember powerbombs when I think of Norton.

Bested here by a better worker and a more charismatic personality in Pac

Miz is also safe and thats great but all people care about and want to see is Braun killing people. I for one do remember stuff Norton did before ending lives via powerbomb.

When I was a little guy and Xpac had worn out his welcome we started to realize he wasn't cool at all he was just always associated with cool people

Lock Jaw
11-11-2017, 12:36 AM
Come on Destor, the 2nd biggest market does not matter. How many people in the Canadian Football League does anyone know of? Fucking 0 because it does not matter.

I know a lot of people in the Canadian Football League..... and that is with not caring about it at all.

Lock Jaw
11-11-2017, 12:37 AM
Anyways, I vote for Scott Norton because I am afraid he will powerbomb me if I don't.

SlickyTrickyDamon
11-11-2017, 12:54 AM
then Meng should be automatically put into the HOF without a vote.

Nicky Fives
11-11-2017, 01:24 AM
X-Pac easily in my eyes. Back in 1998-99, the average person could have picked out X-Pac and known he was a wrestler, he was that over. No average person knew who Scott Norton ever was.

Nicky Fives
11-11-2017, 01:24 AM
I know a lot of people in the Canadian Football League..... and that is with not caring about it at all.

I'm Canadian and I can name like 4 people..... It doesn't matter at all....

SlickyTrickyDamon
11-11-2017, 01:28 AM
Doug Flutie. That is all you need to know about the CFL.

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 01:35 AM
X-Pac easily in my eyes. Back in 1998-99, the average person could have picked out X-Pac and known he was a wrestler, he was that over. No average person knew who Scott Norton ever was.

I hate this fucking website

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 01:36 AM
X Pac was one of the most trusted workers in his time in WWE. He was literally the go to guy for new talent to be tested and joined the nWo as the guy to carry the workload. At his peak he was extremely popular too.

X-factor was abysmal, but nWo B was just as bad and did a ton of damage to the brand.

I can literally only remember powerbombs when I think of Norton.

Bested here by a better worker and a more charismatic personality in Pac

I can literally only remember anus tearing with X-Pac. Scott Norton was a draw in Japan, X-Pac is a draw on podcasts because his drug stories are funny

SlickyTrickyDamon
11-11-2017, 01:38 AM
Japan doesn't count here. It's like a tourist being a hit with the ladies. Only popular because of the differences not the talent/personality.

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 01:38 AM
I dont even ever look st these objectively, but Destor is talking sense. If a Norton match is happening on one channel and a Bret match on another, you better goddamn believe I'm watching Norton.

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 01:39 AM
Japan doesn't count here. It's like a tourist being a hit with the ladies. Only popular because of the differences not the talent/personality.

Is that like you not counting anywhere in life?

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 01:40 AM
A vote for Syxx is a vote for The Young Bucks

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 01:41 AM
It is like choosing Albert over Pac.

Which is the obvious choice still

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 02:20 AM
http://38.media.tumblr.com/bcc4da0576cdb5e6cfe28f6a51fe1b2b/tumblr_nbza24ReRZ1s0zdtdo4_500.jpg

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 02:25 AM
How many Stallone movies was Syxx in?

Spoiler: 0. More points to Norton.

Bad News Gertner
11-11-2017, 07:30 AM
I dont even ever look st these objectively, but Destor is talking sense. If a Norton match is happening on one channel and a Bret match on another, you better goddamn believe I'm watching Norton.

And I'd better see some schmuck get powerbombed through the mat

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 07:39 AM
And I'd better see some schmuck get powerbombs through the mat

Goddamn right. He was still power bombing motherfuckers this year.

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 07:42 AM
REQUEST: If Sean "Bret, Hall and Eddie carried me to my three good matches before I was found out to be so terrible they christened a type of negative heat after me" Waltman wins this, his next opponent should be Masahiro Chono so I know which peoole have no merit in discussions about wrestling.

#BuildingTheList

Lock Jaw
11-11-2017, 07:54 AM
I'm Canadian and I can name like 4 people..... It doesn't matter at all....

Living in Saskatchewan, the one place in Canada where people actually care about the CFL, and working in tv probably helped me. When I was in Toronto probably also knew about 4.

Fignuts
11-11-2017, 08:12 AM
Wow, check out STD totally sticking it to Dave Meltzer by not counting Japan in a wrestling forum poll. That'll show him!

Fignuts
11-11-2017, 08:14 AM
Only thing x-pac ever did that I cared about was tearing his own asshole apart on a bronco buster. Nothing else was as fun as wastching Norton work.

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-11-2017, 08:15 AM
I dont even ever look st these objectively, but Destor is talking sense. If a Norton match is happening on one channel and a Bret match on another, you better goddamn believe I'm watching Norton.

Which is fair enough. But I would choose Bret over pretty much everyone. Knah'mean?

Sepholio
11-11-2017, 08:17 AM
Bret wasn't all that great imo.

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-11-2017, 08:22 AM
Bret wasn't all that great imo.

As I said, fair enough. But there's enough people who think otherwise.

Fignuts
11-11-2017, 08:26 AM
Well all this Bret talk is as irrelevant as X-pac's last WWE run, so whatever.

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 08:36 AM
All this Bret talk should be ripped up.

Much like X-Pac's anus.

Evil Vito
11-11-2017, 08:41 AM
Norton kicked ass in Japan and was one of the many wrestlers stupidly underutilized by WCW.

Bad News Gertner
11-11-2017, 08:41 AM
I know a lot of people in the Canadian Football League..... and that is with not caring about it at all.

Pinball Clemons ftw

Bad News Gertner
11-11-2017, 08:45 AM
Who did Bret Hart want to work with?

http://i.imgur.com/M0aSmnF.gif

Destor
11-11-2017, 08:48 AM
Amazing

Maluco
11-11-2017, 11:33 AM
I can literally only remember anus tearing with X-Pac. Scott Norton was a draw in Japan, X-Pac is a draw on podcasts because his drug stories are funny

While anal tearing and drugs are not a great combo, there is so much more.

I remember the fluke win over Razor, the awesome title match with Bret, his reveal as Syxx, fun cruiser matches in WCW, his reveal as X-Pac, as a key guy in European title feuds (fond memories of that title), his tag team with Kane...sort of tails off after that, bar a few good IC matches.

Had a decent career though, in spite of his obvious problems

Maluco
11-11-2017, 12:45 PM
Also, I can remember good to great matches with Owen, Malenko, Razor, D'lo, Shane, Martel, Marty, Jarrett, Flair, Hakushi, Triple H, HBK as well as tags with Razor, Kane.

Japanese wrestling can't be discounted, but those writing off Waltman with "lol anal tearing...guys....Japanese wrestling i!!" are just as bad.

Also, LOVE Bret Hart...my "list" would probably start with guys who don't give him any credit for the worker he was.

#BROKEN Hasney
11-11-2017, 01:30 PM
This isn't about Japanese wrestling, this is about X-Pac beating a great from anywhere. Here I'll write out his best promo ever:

"MAKE SOME NOISE!!!"

Unless you count the time he blacked up, I guess.

I wouldn't be arguing so hard against it if it was Billy Gun winning even.

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-11-2017, 01:53 PM
I like pac, but am entertained by Hasney's campaign against him.

#1-norm-fan
11-11-2017, 06:44 PM
I've yet to vote. I think X-Pac had more of an impact but my general guide in these things is "If both were booked equally well on a level playing field, who would flourish more?" And I've gotta go with Norton there. Leaning toward him.

Fignuts
11-11-2017, 07:06 PM
X-pac's impact was completely dependant on the people around him. By himself he didn't offer anything a hundred other top cruiserweights couldn't do.

KIRA
11-11-2017, 07:21 PM
X-pac's impact was completely dependant on the people around him. By himself he didn't offer anything a hundred other top cruiserweights couldn't do.

EXACTLY.

Even at his height X-pac was only ever a mid/lower card champ

Norton was a fucking world champion.

And for everybody arguing the general public doesn't know about it that does not matter. YOU know about it.

IIf X-pac had half the charisma people are claiming his group shouldve been at least as popular as The Brood.

Maluco
11-11-2017, 08:00 PM
Bob Sapp was a IWGP world champ, and Norton held the belt for a short time. He was always painted as a threat, but a "great", he wasn't.

Absolutely nothing wrong with rating him as a worker and enjoying what he did more, but it's in no way ridiculous to put Waltmans body of work up against his.

Even with stars around him, Norton did nothing in the US...so that argument doesn't really work either.

Destor
11-11-2017, 09:32 PM
David Arquette was WCW champ so Ric Flair is a joke

Destor
11-11-2017, 09:32 PM
See how dumb that sounds?

#1-norm-fan
11-11-2017, 10:00 PM
It does, but I think it's equally dumb to hype David Arquette being WCW champion as a reason he was a great wrestler. Winning a world title doesn't necessarily mean shit.

Destor
11-11-2017, 10:07 PM
Not any more thats for certain

Sepholio
11-11-2017, 10:10 PM
No but being Scott Norton means absolutely everything.

Maluco
11-11-2017, 11:00 PM
It does, but I think it's equally dumb to hype David Arquette being WCW champion as a reason he was a great wrestler. Winning a world title doesn't necessarily mean shit.

Exactly, this was my point. Doesn't work one way or another.

Mr. Nerfect
11-11-2017, 11:10 PM
People comparing Sean Waltman to "any other top cruiserweight" should probably remember that he is a huge reason there are top cruiserweights in the first place. I haven't seen as much as Norton as I should have to make a properly informed decision -- I'd like to know just how much he drew in Japan as opposed to just how much he was used in a flourishing Japan. Luke Gallows was recently pushed as a tag team legend in Japan, and he's the drizzling shits.

Emperor Smeat
11-12-2017, 01:50 AM
Voted for X-Pac mainly for watching a lot more of his stuff and enjoying more of his moments. Also for him arguably helping play a big role in high flying style wrestling becoming popular in the WWE.

Bulk of Norton's best stuff happened in Japan which I've only seen very little while his WCW era he was either under-used or just came off as another typical big man. Did like how his version of the powerbomb looked very brutal at times especially with smaller guys.

#BROKEN Hasney
11-12-2017, 03:32 AM
People comparing Sean Waltman to "any other top cruiserweight" should probably remember that he is a huge reason there are top cruiserweights in the first place.

How so? Even if we stick purely American here, Dynamite Kid was around long before he was and much more impressive and I don't think Waltman had any bearing on Heyman giving dates to Mexican cruisers and Japanese juniors before WWF and WCW saw how exciting they were and signed them.

Syxx's biggest legacy is a hand gesture which led to a cease and desist.

Mr. Nerfect
11-12-2017, 03:37 AM
I didn't say he was the only reason. But Waltman was tearing it up in the late 80's/early 90's, and if you don't think his success as a mid-card babyface act had any bearing on how viable Vince McMahon saw guys of that stature, then you're just choosing to be ignorant.

#BROKEN Hasney
11-12-2017, 10:30 AM
Nah, I don't buy it. I don't think Kid hanging around the mid-card and when he returned, having the good fortune to be buddy buddy with H had any difference on how Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio would have been perceived. Their own talents would have shined through regardless.

They wasn't even an idea to have a light heavyweight division until WCW's guys were tearing it up on Nitro.

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-12-2017, 10:30 AM
Tbh this is a hawt thread. Valid points on both sides.

Ruien
11-12-2017, 11:16 AM
Hasney 100% hates X Pac.

KIRA
11-12-2017, 01:27 PM
People comparing Sean Waltman to "any other top cruiserweight" should probably remember that he is a huge reason there are top cruiserweights in the first place. I haven't seen as much as Norton as I should have to make a properly informed decision -- I'd like to know just how much he drew in Japan as opposed to just how much he was used in a flourishing Japan. Luke Gallows was recently pushed as a tag team legend in Japan, and he's the drizzling shits.

I wouldve given that credit to the likes of Rey before X-pac

Bad News Gertner
11-12-2017, 01:45 PM
How so? Even if we stick purely American here, Dynamite Kid was around long before he was and much more impressive and I don't think Waltman had any bearing on Heyman giving dates to Mexican cruisers and Japanese juniors before WWF and WCW saw how exciting they were and signed them.

Syxx's biggest legacy is a hand gesture which led to a cease and desist.

Waltman was extremely influential in the indie boom of the early 2000's. He was one of the very first indie stars.

Anybody Thrilla
11-12-2017, 02:24 PM
I'm just a huge Scott Norton mark and will likely vote him over anyone in fear that he hears about me not voting for him and powerbombs the ever living shit out of me.

Swiss Ultimate
11-12-2017, 03:32 PM
I'm just a huge Scott Norton mark and will likely vote him over anyone in fear that he hears about me not voting for him and powerbombs the ever living shit out of me.

Legit.

Maluco
11-12-2017, 04:45 PM
Gonna post this for Hasney...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dl5K49z7wS4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Also, completely unrelated, but how badass was Kane back then. If anything shows you how storytelling and the writing has deteriorated over the years with no competition....it's Kane's trajectory

KIRA
11-12-2017, 06:13 PM
I'm still surprised Waltman's head didnt light up like a giant match his head is so oily

KIRA
11-13-2017, 04:40 PM
I can't even believe somebody as badass as Norton is about to job to the guy who led X-factor

Sepholio
11-13-2017, 06:58 PM
This is a travesty..... An utter travesty.

I declare shenanigans and allot Scott Norton an extra 10 votes to counterbalance the despicable tomfoolery that has clearly taken place in this polling.

Ruien
11-13-2017, 07:02 PM
Haters gonna hate.

Mr. Nerfect
11-13-2017, 08:41 PM
Nah, I don't buy it. I don't think Kid hanging around the mid-card and when he returned, having the good fortune to be buddy buddy with H had any difference on how Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio would have been perceived. Their own talents would have shined through regardless.

They wasn't even an idea to have a light heavyweight division until WCW's guys were tearing it up on Nitro.

I hate using him as a source, but when the WWF got their hands on The Radicalz, Bruce Prichard lists their order of perceived importance as 1) Chris Benoit, 2) Perry Saturn, 3) Eddie Guerrero, 4) Dean Malenko. It shouldn't have been that way, and Eddie always tested positive in focus groups and with ratings, but where are you getting this idea that he is solely responsible for little guys breaking through? You're using a false attribution in order to justify your own position.

For the record: This is not me saying that Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio weren't important to cruiserweights getting focus and that their work was not great. They were and it was. But you're argument is "I'm saying A is true, but you're saying B, but that's not A, therefore A."

Sean Waltman didn't need a light heavyweight scene to get over. He could work with bigger guys. He was the little guy in WWF, if you don't count Shawn Michaels as "little." If anything, having weight restrictions on guys in the WWF slowed them down, and that has always been the case, as they have never been able to pull their heads out of their asses long enough to make weight divisions an equal thing. I wouldn't want to be associated with cruiserweight wrestling in the WWF/E, to be honest.

What Waltman provided was proof that one of these guys who could be presented as a little guy could have value outside those divisions. Most little guys had to convince other people that they were big. In WCW and the WWF, Waltman's thing was that he was the little guy, but he was important. When he jumped back, it marked the first time a major talent went the other direction and was a huge symbolic victory for the entire war. He was in extremely popular factions and carried a lot more in the ring than people give him credit for.

And, if nothing else, he surely helped how Vince McMahon perceived little guys. Because in X-Pac he had a little guy he could put out there with Kane, or Shane, or HHH, or anyone and he'd get the job done. What Eddie and Rey meant in WCW and to Nitro or whatever case you want to make there is cute, but when it comes to size in the WWE, Vince McMahon is all that matters. You're seeing that play out with the 205 Live scene now.

To clarify: I'm not even saying that Waltman meant more or less than Eddie and Rey did to WCW/WWF. That's besides the point. The point is just that he meant something and deflecting to Eddie and Rey is a false argument.

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-14-2017, 12:25 PM
Watched some Norton in Japan. Again... pretty cool stuff, but nothing special.

#BROKEN Hasney
11-14-2017, 03:02 PM
Watched some Norton in Japan. Again... pretty cool stuff, but nothing special.

Is special the bar here? This is special?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/2014-04-04_18-47-00_NEX-6_7299_DxO_%2813910528192%29.jpg/220px-2014-04-04_18-47-00_NEX-6_7299_DxO_%2813910528192%29.jpg

Maybe he'll do the worst move of all time until Ambrose's wacky line came along in the bronco buster. Thank gks we had such a special talent in our lifetime.

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-14-2017, 03:11 PM
Oh man. I am happy I made that post only for Hasney's response. #triggered

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-14-2017, 03:11 PM
Make some noise!

#BROKEN Hasney
11-14-2017, 03:55 PM
Make some noise!

An entire XPac promo before handing over the mic to his more talented friends.

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-14-2017, 03:59 PM
U forgot the pre promo spliff

Mr. Nerfect
11-14-2017, 04:20 PM
Waltman is special. I think his success despite being as light as a feather before guys got over that way kind of highlights that by definition.

DAMN iNATOR
11-14-2017, 04:39 PM
Waltman is special. I think his success despite being as light as a feather before guys got over that way kind of highlights that by definition.

Can't wait for X-Pac v. Spike Dudley. 😴😴😴😴😴

Mr. Nerfect
11-14-2017, 04:59 PM
But that's exactly the thing -- X-Pac wasn't Spike Dudley.

DAMN iNATOR
11-14-2017, 05:18 PM
But that's exactly the thing -- X-Pac wasn't Spike Dudley.

Can't wait for X-Pac v. Happy Humphrey. 😴😴😴😴😴

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-14-2017, 05:33 PM
Proud 2 b a part of this thread.

Swiss Ultimate
11-14-2017, 07:17 PM
Is special the bar here? This is special?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/2014-04-04_18-47-00_NEX-6_7299_DxO_%2813910528192%29.jpg/220px-2014-04-04_18-47-00_NEX-6_7299_DxO_%2813910528192%29.jpg

Maybe he'll do the worst move of all time until Ambrose's wacky line came along in the bronco buster. Thank gks we had such a special talent in our lifetime.

He was really good live in 2007.

KIRA
11-14-2017, 07:31 PM
Is special the bar here? This is special?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/2014-04-04_18-47-00_NEX-6_7299_DxO_%2813910528192%29.jpg/220px-2014-04-04_18-47-00_NEX-6_7299_DxO_%2813910528192%29.jpg

Maybe he'll do the worst move of all time until Ambrose's wacky line came along in the bronco buster. Thank gks we had such a special talent in our lifetime.

UGH Wash your fucking hair you coked up,dead-eyed audience apathy inducing asshole.

Fignuts
11-14-2017, 11:09 PM
Hope everyone who voted for xpac tears their assholes open.

SlickyTrickyDamon
11-15-2017, 12:08 AM
Two words for ya....

MELTZER SHEEP!

#BROKEN Hasney
11-15-2017, 02:51 AM
Two words for ya....

MELTZER SHEEP!

I don't get it. Is favouring anyone over someone who's ever had the good grace to be you he'd by the aWWE machine a Meltzer Sheep to you ya goon?

Kenta Kobashi Vs. Duke The Dumpster let's gooooo

SlickyTrickyDamon
11-15-2017, 02:57 AM
Who bettah than Kenya?

Fignuts
11-15-2017, 10:16 AM
Kenya is a country in Africa you fucking space cadet.

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-15-2017, 10:34 AM
dear god.

Lock Jaw
11-15-2017, 10:36 AM
Kenya is a country in Africa you fucking space cadet.

But who bettah than it?

Bad News Gertner
11-15-2017, 10:44 AM
The Congo has Kenya's number that's for sure

Shisen Kopf
11-15-2017, 10:54 AM
http://www.ghafla.com/media/k2/items/cache/589a03d7f0bfaa87111cab768dc13309_L.jpg

SlickyTrickyDamon
11-15-2017, 01:00 PM
He edited his post. He said Kenya not Kenta.

Fignuts
11-15-2017, 01:16 PM
STD sullying the good name of Hasney now.

No low he won't sink to.

smdh

Ol Dirty Dastard
11-15-2017, 04:59 PM
Will this go down as the biggest blight in TPWW best wrestler lore?

If so that's dope. Glad to contribute.

Bad News Gertner
11-15-2017, 06:47 PM
So disappointed in STD

Mr. Nerfect
11-15-2017, 08:10 PM
Two words for ya....

MELTZER SHEEP!

Wouldn't the Meltzer sheep be the ones voting for Norton just because they heard he was good in Japan. Doc Gallows and Giant Bernard say hi.

Bad News Gertner
11-15-2017, 08:12 PM
Yup

KIRA
11-15-2017, 08:38 PM
Pffft I don't give a flying fuck about Meltzer I'm voting for Norton because Xpac never did this to people

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UEsrJOy1E3o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

He just put his nuts in their face.

Swiss Ultimate
11-16-2017, 07:56 PM
I liked Wrath better than Scott Norton too.