NXT TakeOver: WarGames [Archive] - Page 2

Tom Guycott

11-18-2017, 11:30 PM

How come 95% of NXT TakeOver matches are good and have different styles but 90% of WWE main roster matches are the exact same shit

Because they look at all those different styles, then "teach" them not to do that. Once all that uniqueness gets beaten out of them, that is when they're "ready" to move up to the main roster for their eventual burial.

Dark One

11-18-2017, 11:31 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That was the best weapons match of the year.</p>— Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/932088145302118400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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My Final Heaven

11-18-2017, 11:31 PM

Now it's time for Nigel to go and drown his sorrows in the bottle because Peyton didn't win

A.J.K

11-18-2017, 11:33 PM

I'm surprised someone actually was busted open for once.

Emperor Smeat

11-18-2017, 11:34 PM

:lol: at Undisputed Era wanting to get out of the ring after the match but can't.

screech

11-18-2017, 11:34 PM

That was such a fun show

Droford

11-18-2017, 11:35 PM

:lol: at O'Reilly hitting himself with a chair.

i missed it so here

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">O’REILLY HITS HIMSELF WITH A CHAIR! 😂 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NXTTakeOver?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NXTTakeOver</a> <a href="https://t.co/mvhaS9gNR9">pic.twitter.com/mvhaS9gNR9</a></p>— Chris. (@sashasambrose) <a href="https://twitter.com/sashasambrose/status/932082942611824641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Triple A

11-18-2017, 11:50 PM

Taz speculating on McIntyre possibly being injured... Freaking bummer... definitely looked like he fucked up his arm bad... hopefully is not serious though!!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I dont normally do this on here but i just watch the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NXTTakeOver?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NXTTakeOver</a> Championship match, looked to me like <a href="https://twitter.com/DMcIntyreWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DMcIntyreWWE</a> might've torn his bicep on the finish as he held the rope. Could separation in base of his Bicep. Been there, it sucks for Drew. head up brother.</p>— TAZ (@OfficialTAZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialTAZ/status/932079420990517249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SUPER DDT!!!!! <a href="https://twitter.com/AndradeCienWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AndradeCienWWE</a> IS THE NEW NXT CHAMPION!!!!!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NXTChampionship?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NXTChampionship</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NXTTakeOver?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NXTTakeOver</a> <a href="https://t.co/stmRSXIRR5">pic.twitter.com/stmRSXIRR5</a></p>— Italo Santana (@BulletClubItal) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubItal/status/932074405290823680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tom Guycott

11-19-2017, 12:32 AM

Wolfe is the MvP of this thing

I now can't unsee Alexander Wolfe being repackaged in MVP-like attire.

Droford

11-19-2017, 01:15 AM

Hs confirmed McIntyre tore his bicep

SlickyTrickyDamon

11-19-2017, 01:26 AM

Happy Rusev Day to the new NXT Champion Mexican Rusev.

Droford

11-19-2017, 01:32 AM

Lol Mexican Rusev

Triple A

11-19-2017, 01:43 AM

Triple H said that they think McIntyre tore his bicep and he'll probably have to have surgery this week... damn

I just left his locker room and it looks like Drew might… we’re not sure yet… might have a torn bicep. That’s pretty much what put an end to that match. That’s a tough night. […] He’s gonna have a sleepless night. He’s gonna go tomorrow and get an MRI done and probably might end up having surgery this week if it is what we think it is.

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Tom Guycott

11-19-2017, 01:44 AM

Happy Rusev Day to the new NXT Champion Mexican Rusev.

Lol Mexican Rusev

That would have been so much better had Rusev actually tweeted that.

Emperor Smeat

11-19-2017, 01:55 AM

Triple H said that they think McIntyre tore his bicep and he'll probably have to have surgery this week... damn

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Could be out as long as 8 months based on estimates for that type of injury. Shorter if its not as serious enough to require surgery.

Tom Guycott

11-19-2017, 02:06 AM

A possible plus from this is if Almas takes credit for the injury in an old school heel fashion.

slik

11-19-2017, 03:15 AM

He wrestled Pete Dunne before this show for a TV taping that will air on Wednesday

Why isn't he getting a world title push...he's a 'mega-face'

Mr. Nerfect

11-19-2017, 03:18 AM

A possible plus from this is if Almas takes credit for the injury in an old school heel fashion.

That would be so fucking great, but they won't do it. Congrats to Almas. Sucks for McIntyre. Almas is a talented bloke and could really use something.

Triple A

11-19-2017, 03:25 AM

Why isn't he getting a world title push...he's a 'mega-face'

Seems like he is "in limbo" until Tommaso Ciampa returns from injury (March 2018)

Mr. Nerfect

11-19-2017, 03:41 AM

He might be used as the opponent for Almas now that McIntyre might be out. But they might also insert Aleister Black in there.

Mr. Nerfect

11-19-2017, 03:48 AM

Watching this now. God damn it, professional wrestling done right is so good. You instantly get a good feel for this show.

Fignuts

11-19-2017, 04:36 AM

Shisen is Meltzer Sheep

Vince had one of his rare genius moments and the match was better for not having a roof.

Fignuts

11-19-2017, 05:18 AM

Camera work throughout the whole show was shit though. Keep Kevin Dunn away from the fucking production truck please.

Mr. Nerfect

11-19-2017, 09:18 AM

I did a whole write-up, but it got lost before I posted it. Anyway, I really enjoyed this show. There was nothing bad. Kassius Ohno is a very good professional wrestler. Lars Sullivan, The Authors of Pain and Sanity are all big dudes who really stand out as prospects for a whole range of different reasons. I kind of want to see many of them in the mix right now, but I worry about how it'll all go on the main roster.

Aleister Black vs. Velveteen Dream was fucking amazing. I really enjoyed that match, the story it told, and the possible paths coming out of it. Patrick Clark is only 22 years old. Fuck me, that guy could be a star if they let him.

DAMN iNATOR

11-19-2017, 09:22 AM

I'm late to this party... did he get a Hero's welcome, or a nod (that's it)?

All you need to know is he ain't nothin' to mess with.

Droford

11-19-2017, 11:54 AM

All you need to know is he ain't nothin' to mess with.

Related to Victoria

Volare

11-19-2017, 12:20 PM

Go go go go go go.....

Jordan

11-19-2017, 02:20 PM

I just watched the War Games match, holy shit... probably match of the year, for me. Wow... just so many amazing spots, great storytelling with the Strong and Cole blood feud, Strong fit in so well with AOP I was pleasantly surprised. I was also really impressed with The Undisputed Era and the match made those guys for me, kind of like how the inital TLC made The Shield. Five stars from me.

wwe2222

11-19-2017, 02:41 PM

I don't ever watch NXT so first time I've seen alot of these guys in action. Really dug Velveteen Dream. Guy knows his character and he can really go in the ring.

War Games was fun. Didn't really care for anyone in the match but enjoyed watching it.

Shisen Kopf

11-19-2017, 02:49 PM

Shisen is Meltzer Sheep

Vince had one of his rare genius moments and the match was better for not having a roof.

You forgot the,,,,,,,,. Match needed a roof. It wasnt war games without the roof.

Fignuts

11-19-2017, 03:07 PM

If original War Games was so great then why is WCW dead?

ANSWER THAT SMART GUY

erickman

11-19-2017, 03:22 PM

If original War Games was so great then why is WCW dead?

ANSWER THAT SMART GUY

aol

Fignuts

11-19-2017, 03:27 PM

omg

get a loada SERIOUS P. BOOKSWORTH ova here

Shisen Kopf

11-19-2017, 04:11 PM

If original War Games was so great then why is WCW dead?

ANSWER THAT SMART GUY

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MIyiZlCH5t4/hqdefault.jpg

Dude kills everything

Danny Electric

11-19-2017, 05:04 PM

Just finished watching the show, WarGes match was lots of fun to watch , sometimes the camera work got in the way though . Ladies match should of been given more time , Peyton Royce is a star.
Patrick Clark was brilliant , genuinely looked a threat and can tell a story , hugely impressed.
Liked Almas winning the title, Will be interesting to see who comes after the title.

screech

11-19-2017, 06:23 PM

Camera work throughout the whole show was shit though. Keep Kevin Dunn away from the fucking production truck please.

Camera work has been terrible across the board for a while. Why do the big wigs think what they're doing is good?

Emperor Smeat

11-19-2017, 06:29 PM

Too lazy or incompetent to get rid of the one in charge of production or those coming up with the ideas for the terrible cuts and cam shots.

Fignuts

11-19-2017, 07:02 PM

From what I've read it is KevinDunn who is the main person to blame for those cuts.

Jordan

11-19-2017, 09:12 PM

The Velveteen Dream vs CM Punk, I mean Alistar Black match was fucking incredible. Can't believe you have have two guys just wrestle and tell a story and it be just as entertaining as a 9 man mayhem main event War Games match.

Fignuts

11-19-2017, 10:28 PM

Almas' sell of the flying knee was fucking great.

Happy for him. From a pure talent standpoint, he absolutely deserves it imo, and his journey to the title was actually a really cool story in hindsight. Was just hard to see the endgame at the time, when he was jobbing left and right.

mhirn3

11-20-2017, 01:09 AM

Loved the Velveteen Dream/Black match.

Mr. Nerfect

11-20-2017, 05:05 AM

I genuinely hope they run with Almas for a bit. I like the dude. I think it's falling into place for him. War Games was fun, but I'm not sure if the audience that has fond memories of War Games wants it to be "fun." Match of the night, the more I think about it, was definitely Black/Dream. That was fucking tremendous.

Fignuts

11-20-2017, 03:28 PM

Yeah, I had no interest in Dream going into this. Granted, I hadn't been following the weekly programming but that was my attitude going into this. He firmly has my attention now.

Fignuts

11-20-2017, 03:31 PM

Mr. Nerfect

11-20-2017, 04:15 PM

It's likely, but I just don't want this Black/Dream stuff to not go anywhere.

Heisenberg

11-20-2017, 05:11 PM

Meltzer sheep,,,,,

KIRA

11-20-2017, 05:15 PM

Heisenberg

11-20-2017, 05:19 PM

Hope they don't send Black up to feud with Corbin anytime soon

11-21-2017, 06:29 AM

It's likely, but I just don't want this Black/Dream stuff to not go anywhere.

You could always come back to it.

“You said my name. Now it’s time for that title to say my name...”

#BROKEN Hasney

11-21-2017, 06:44 AM

It's likely, but I just don't want this Black/Dream stuff to not go anywhere.

If it wasn't NXT, I'd say to move away from that feud for now and dip back into it later and let the juice refill as they both came out of the feud looking great and getting what they wanted.

However, because there's the risk of one of them being called up... We haven't had a Dusty Classic this year to make room for War Games so I could see them tagging up now and be ridiculously over. Get to the semis or the final and tease another fight, but don't do it and then hopefully come back to it when one of them is champion.

Mr. Nerfect

11-21-2017, 04:22 PM

If it wasn't NXT, I'd say to move away from that feud for now and dip back into it later and let the juice refill as they both came out of the feud looking great and getting what they wanted.

However, because there's the risk of one of them being called up... We haven't had a Dusty Classic this year to make room for War Games so I could see them tagging up now and be ridiculously over. Get to the semis or the final and tease another fight, but don't do it and then hopefully come back to it when one of them is champion.

I can't remember where I made this post, but I was thinking the same thing about the Dusty Classic. I'd be fine with them winning.

Lock Jaw

11-24-2017, 12:38 AM

Finally watched this..... really fun show....

Lars Sullivan really good.... badass entrance and theme.....

Never thought much of Velveteen Dream and thought it was an incredibly stupid gimmick...... but the video package before the match seems like it was a good build up, and the match was very good...... I still think the name "Velveteen Dream" sucks, though..... so even though I now don't think his gimmick is all bad, he will still "not go anywhere" on the main roster due to goofy name......

Womens match was good... Not a fan of Nikki Cross' new theme or Kairi Sane's new theme... (new from the last time I saw them)...... I don't mind Ember Moon winning. I think now that Asuka is gone the women will really get the chance to shine and trade the title back a couple times.

Almas/McIntyre was ok. Not a fan of McIntyre.... like Almas as a heel, and this new braud he has with him seems to have breathed even more life into him.... glad he won because Drew is boring..... but not glad Drew got hurt.... don't wish that on anyone.....

War Games match was a lot of fun.....

Fignuts

11-24-2017, 01:58 AM

Drew actually won me over in that match. He was keeping up with almas despite his size, and had some really impressive spots.

SlickyTrickyDamon

11-24-2017, 03:19 AM

Drew looked like Nomar Garciaparra after he bulked up and then broke his wrist. Something was bound to happen being built that big.

Was Andrade winning an audible?

Fignuts

11-24-2017, 03:54 AM

Don't think so. He got injured on the finish, which was a super version of Almas' finisher. Doubt he was meant to kick out of it.

hb2k

11-24-2017, 09:37 AM

War Games was a hell of a lot of fun, a crazy stunt show and the effort was unreal, but there were a few little foibles I didn't like. The lack of babyface anybody loved or heel anybody hated meant that the reactions were based on spots alone, and didn't give too much of a shit about the guys or the feud.

Shisen Kopf

11-24-2017, 01:04 PM

It was fun but it WASN'T War Games. No roof on the cage.

Ol Dirty Dastard

11-24-2017, 01:47 PM

Mr. Nerfect

11-24-2017, 03:33 PM

"Fun" is the best adjective for the War Games. I'm not sure if War Games matches are supposed to be "fun" though. The match obviously needs to change for the modern era, but I can understand why people would find it hard to emotionally connect with it. It's a bit like the Power Rangers remake.

Mr. Nerfect

11-24-2017, 03:33 PM

Feel like people really like AoP.

My main gripe is Adam Cole in general lol.

I don't know if the AOP are supposed to be liked, haha. I guess they were teaming with Roderick Strong for this match.

Shisen Kopf

11-24-2017, 05:17 PM

Mr. Nerfect

11-24-2017, 06:47 PM

It does go against what War Games was supposed to be. I think it's been a long time since there has been any real positivity towards the NWA and WCW by the WWE or modern wrestling fans for a long time. When WCW died, a lot of the fans of that style of wrestling just up and left, and either went to WCW or didn't return. Not many actually jumped to the WWF/E. I suppose it's hard for people to enter that state of mind as a wrestling fan, because they don't really understand how holy it is (myself included).

War Games wasn't an indy-style match. It wasn't choreographed spots and synchronized swimming inside a wrestling ring. It was a gimmick that couldn't end in a pin, despite pins being the stuff that lands you the pop, because by the time you get into that cage the heat is supposed to be there. It's the cathartic closure to months of tension. It's supposed to be more "real" than most other wrestling and the tricks it uses.

Obviously we're in a different era, in a different promotion, with different talent, different styles, different philosophies (right or wrong), different audiences (for right or wrong) and different abilities. That being said, I can understand the argument, whether some are being facetious or not, that War Games should always be something different.

hb2k

11-25-2017, 01:11 PM

Just to drop this here, SCG Radio returns this week to talk all things NXT WarGames and the 2017 Survivor Series. Spitballing about both shows, we discuss everything from the flawed presentation of the main event to the greatness of Styles Vs. Lesnar, issues with Raw Vs. Smackdown, the birth of a star in the Velveteen Dream, the strengths and weaknesses of the revived War Games concept, as well as cover the current lay of the land as WWE looks to embark on their biggest period of the year. A lot of fun, check it out and let me know what you think!

https://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/download/ffz6he/SCG_Radio_125_-_NXT_WarGames_and_Survivor_Series_2017.mp3

Anybody Thrilla

11-25-2017, 02:36 PM

Thank god, been waiting on you guys.

11-25-2017, 04:45 PM

Thank god, been waiting on you guys.

Seconded.

Mr. Nerfect

11-26-2017, 06:12 PM

Great podcast, as per usual, and even without Kieran. I think the one thing I disagreed with is when it comes to the Bliss vs. Charlotte match. I mean, intellectually you and G. are right, but I find it frustrating that Bliss and Charlotte have both held both belts. It just makes me wonder how either can have a sincere emotional connection to theirs, you know? It's just more of that not being able to buy into the roster rivalry stuff.