OFFICIAL Survivor Series 2017 thread

[Jordan]

That Raw team is just awesome

[Jordan]

Still sounds like bad porno music to me, but WTF do I know...

It's a porno I would watch

[Evil Vito]

They just billed Shane as being from New York City. Guess you can't have two people from the same match being billed from Greenwich, CT.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I hope Triple H pays tribute to the season and destroys his quad

He'd fucking better.

[Dark One]

Vince currently having an aneurysm about the dead square on the ramp.

[Jordan]

Dayum Bobby Roode getting the bump, I didn't know he was in this.

[Emperor Smeat]

https://i.imgur.com/45DYbGB.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

I agree

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Extreme Rules match with Cena was much better.

[Dark One]

"Shut up Phillips."
"I'm Saxton."

Incredible.

[Droford]

Vince currently having an aneurysm about the dead square on the ramp.

Its for Roode I thought?

[Dark One]

This show is going to be 40% entrances.

Over ten minutes for this match alone

[Jordan]

Cena gets the last entrance because he is the man

[Dark One]

Vince currently having an aneurysm about the dead square on the ramp.

Its for Roode I thought?

Yeah. It was. I was trying to figure out who it could be for but blanked.

I will blame the forty hours of this show.

[KIRA]

Joe stalking around the ring looks llike a badass

Randy Don't give a fuck and its great

[Emperor Smeat]

Kind of funny the two guys who put in the least effort for their teams build end up coming out last for each.

At least Triple H managed to show up on the go-home show which is more than can be said of Cena's involvement with this match.

[OssMan]

No Big Show?

[Jordan]

These teams are insane

[KIRA]

Triple H 2.0 (its actually a complement this time)BOBBY ROOOOOOO

[Dark One]

Cent did not get the Brand-colored gear memo.

[owenbrown]

Dammit Cena where's your SD Blue?

[OssMan]

John Cena representing the Green show on wwe

[Jordan]

Cent did not get the Brand-colored gear memo.

LOL so true

[Dark One]

Would have loved to see Raw maul Cena as soon as he slid in.

[GD]

The TNA originals have come a long way.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Cena gets the last entrance, because OF COURSE he does. He's such a snowflake.

[Dark One]

John Cena representing the Green show on wwe

VELOCITY GONNA WIN THE WAR FOR BRAND SUPREMACY

[Jordan]

Trips and Braun are fucking awesome

[Emperor Smeat]

Cena's green shirt really stands out as a sore spot visually in this team face-off.

[KIRA]

Glad people still have love for Nakamura after being screwed outta the belt twice

[Jordan]

WTF is Nakamura doing

[OssMan]

Shouldn't Kurt Angle never wrestle again because he could die

[DAMN iNATOR]

No Big Show?

He's pretty much a part-time nowadays.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cena repping team free agency.

[Droford]

John Cena representing the Green show on wwe

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/e/e3/WWE_Velocity.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090607170817

[GD]

lol Shane

[owenbrown]

Shane has a fucking death wish

[Dark One]

Lol at Shane seeing Jesus after that beal from Strowman

[KIRA]

Com'on Cena That fucking rainbow coalition of shirts in your closet and you don't have a blue one?

[Jordan]

Orton's haircut is really cool

[Evil Vito]

As soon as I saw Cena had a new color scheme I knew they'd send him out there in that and use his free agent status as the reason he's not dressed like the rest of his team.

[KIRA]

Shane wishing his daddy never made him

[DAMN iNATOR]

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/e/e3/WWE_Velocity.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090607170817

Where's the orange show love?

[owenbrown]

so who will be the first eliminated?

[RP]

Cena is in full Hulk Hogan mode at this point.

[Dark One]

Saxton extra insufferable tonight. Otunga would be an upgrade.

[Jordan]

OH man these guys are good

[Droford]

Kurt Angle and Bobby roode have history too proba..

oh

[Evil Vito]

Orton seems to shave his hair and grow it back every other week. It's like his weird little bond with Batista or something.

[GD]

What a great start to the match.

[Jordan]

YESSSSS

[KIRA]

Time to avenge the Bullet Club

[Jordan]

Michael Cole is selling Nakamarua better than anyone in WWE has done yet.

[RP]

Triple H is the wife of Stephanie McMahon

[Triple A]

Michael Cole keeps calling Nakamura "Shin"...

[KIRA]

Time to Knee YOUR FORMER BOSS IN HIS FUCKIN FACE

[Jordan]

CARBON COPY SHOWDOWN

[Droford]

http://www.f4wonline.com/sites/www.f4wonline.com/files/field/image/angle-roode_1.png

[Jordan]

TNA TRIPLE H VS WWE TRIPLE H

[KIRA]

Time to fight your Clone

[DAMN iNATOR]

So many fun pairings in this match.

[Jordan]

Kurt Angle looks like Teddy Long

[RP]

Roode can really sell a bump

[OssMan]

"Bobby Rude"... who is this

[Emperor Smeat]

Roode is probably the only guy on the main roster right now who can pull off a match with Triple H in the style Triple H has been trying to do in recent years in the WWE.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Shit...just has a horrible thought about a possible outcome that I'm not at all sure I want to express for fear of reprisal...

[Droford]

Bound For Glory ..er..

[KIRA]

I'm scared for Roode taking those germans

[Jordan]

Good showing for Shin

[owenbrown]

wasn't expecting Nakamura to be first to go

[GD]

Are you fucking kidding me? Shinsuke is the first to be eliminated?

[slik]

BRAUNNNNN

[Droford]

Shit...just has a horrible thought about a possible outcome that I'm not at all sure I want to express for fear of reprisal...

HHH gathers Nakamura Roode Balor Joe and Braun for an NXT faction and beat the rest of RAW and SD up?

[Jordan]

Strowman just picked him up off his back by his face

[slik]

Here is our Angle vs HHH WM tease

[Dark One]

Braun gonna single handedly eliminate the entire Raw AND Smackdown team.

[Emperor Smeat]

Way too predictable Roode and Nakamura were going to be the first ones out for Smackdown.

[owenbrown]

Super Cena will be the last of SD Live isn't he?

[KIRA]

SON OF A BITCH!

[Evil Vito]

Thanks new guys, you can go away and leave it to Shane, Cena and Orton.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I'm loathe to even post this, but what if Stephen shows up and costs Kurt to cost RAW and him, and The Authority are back in power on RAW?

Worse yet, what if Jordan interferes instead, same scenario and then aligns with The Authority?

I hate my paranoid imagination so fucking much right now.

[Jordan]

Damn that bump from Strowman was tough

[Emperor Smeat]

Ouch at Braun's hard bounce to the outside.

[Dark One]

Maybe the international announce teams are ALL on one giant clusterfuck feed to replicate the English experience.

[KIRA]

Balor just kicks his legs up to chill

[owenbrown]

quintuple DQ Raw wins

[Droford]

Wheres James Ellsworth when you need him

[owenbrown]

or maybe it's team captain vs team captain as the finish?

[GD]

There is no fucking way RAW can lose.

[Evil Vito]

For the first time in years, you can actually hear a good amount of deep voices during the "Let's Go Cena!" portion of the dueling chants.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Wheres James Ellsworth when you need him

Sex change operations take time, man.

[GD]

Really? Cena pins Samosa Joe :nono:

[Dark One]

Can't wait for Braun Strowman to arrive at Raw tomorrow via announce table.

[KIRA]

If it comes down to all the old dudes I'm gonna be pissed

[slik]

I like this -- really fun so far!

[Evil Vito]

First 3 guys out - 3 NXT champions

Finn's getting eliminated next

[DAMN iNATOR]

Scratch that. I can sleep happy tonight.

[Jordan]

Kurt Angle is really bad now he shouldn't wrestle.

[Evil Vito]

First 3 guys out - 3 NXT champions

Finn's getting eliminated next

Or not

[GD]

I have no idea where this match is going. Seriously.

[KIRA]

Balor needs to take this no way they let guys on the verge of retirement end this show

[Destor]

Weird that kurt is less over than anyone else in the match

[Dark One]

Mercy rule.

Orton/Shane vs Trips/Kurt/Finn/Braun

Wow.

[Droford]

First 3 guys out - 3 NXT champions

Finn's getting eliminated next

Yay Strowman is safe,all he was in NXT was a giant walking hamburger

[Emperor Smeat]

:y: Cena eliminated

[Destor]

There is no fucking way RAW can lose.

Raw usually loses these...

[A.J.K]

:y: Cena eliminated

By Kurt , even better!

[owenbrown]

soon to be an RKO OUTTA NOWHERE

[Evil Vito]

HHH/Angle at Mania is gonna be soooooo bad and such an unfortunate way to end Angle's career

[owenbrown]

Strowman still in this right?

[Droford]

I had Orton RKO'ing HHH to win as the sole survivor in Tipsters, this is looking good

[slik]

KO/Sami screwing over Team Blue lol

[KIRA]

I fucking hate Vince so much

[Dark One]

lol at Braun tagging in by patting Kurt on the head.

[Emperor Smeat]

Ouch at the thud from the chair shot Shane gave to Sami

Nice of Strowman to be finished with his mid-match nap.

[Destor]

Why is shane a top act...i dont get it

[GD]

lol this is so fucking weird.

[Evil Vito]

Glad to see a 47 year old non-wrestler is the last man standing for Team SmackDown. Way to put the actual roster over.

[owenbrown]

Shane-O-Mac in a 3 on 1 handicap?

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: at Shane being the last member of Team Smackdown.

Both the Women and Men's side of Team Smackdown had some really odd choices for elimination orders.

[Destor]

Can shane mcmahin beat two inactives and braun strowman?

[slik]

Braun Strowman is the MVP of this bout.

[owenbrown]

time for THE DEMON KANE to show up

[Dark One]

Shane could shoot the Raw team right now and Byron would be all "GOOD. DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO!"

Jesus.

[RP]

Undertaker is about to come back

[Destor]

WHATS THE POINT OF THIS

[A.J.K]

had HHH, Angle and Braun as sole survivors.

[Destor]

How does this do business for ANYONE

[Destor]

had HHH, Angle and Braun as sole survivors.

Thats not how sole works

[Evil Vito]

The rest of the show was great but this just sucks.

[Destor]

...nepotism

[Jordan]

I really don't like Angle in the ring he shouldn't be there

[KIRA]

Wonder if they will do to Stroman What they did to Dolph after he was the lone survivor

completely ignore him

[slik]

This was great until it came down to Angle/Shane/HHH and Braun. 3 of those 4 should not be the final 4.

[Dark One]

Did Kurt blow out his singlet?

[Evil Vito]

McMahon family drama has been a focal point of WWE television for nearly 20 years. Unreal.

[Dark One]

Wat

[GD]

lol Hunter double crossed Angle

[KIRA]

AWW GODAMNIT WHY?

[Destor]

Ego booking at its worst

[A.J.K]

Welp. Angle/HHH @ mania.

[Dark One]

Jesus.

I know I said earlier that they should have ended the night on Brock/AJ, but with how wonky the booking of the 5 on 5 match was, they REALLY should have.

[Emperor Smeat]

Meh at them actually moving towards an Angle-HHH feud for Mania.

Last thing RAW needs is another Authority based or power struggle based angle going on.

[Dark One]

"A hush has fallen over the Toyota Center" because this is dumb as fuck.

[owenbrown]

THE FUCK?!

[Evil Vito]

Triple H wins

http://i.imgur.com/HI5GA.gif

[Destor]

Well that was useless

[KIRA]

Lets get rid of all the guys in their 30s and in their prime GREAT IDEA

[A.J.K]

The look on Braun's face right now.

[Dark One]

Survivor Series was like every Jarrett era TNA PPV.

Russo-esque weird booking on a couple of matches, a few amazing, hot matches, and then a clusterfuck of a main event that's like M Night Shyamalan wrote it after having a stroke.

[slik]

If Braun beats the hell outta HHH right now I'll mark

[A.J.K]

If Braun beats the hell outta HHH right now I'll mark

;)

[GD]

There is no fucking way RAW can lose.

lol Smackdown guys looked like a bunch of chumps

[slik]

Thank You Braunnnnn

[Emperor Smeat]

Only guy who came off looking good in the main event was Braun both for the match itself and post-match stuff.

[owenbrown]

so much for the Jason Jordan heel turn

[GD]

The main event, while interesting, could’ve told a better story.

[KIRA]

Whoever thought this was a good finish needs to have terry funks branding iron applied to their genitals

[Dark One]

This was the Wrestlemania 32 of Survivor Series.

[GD]

so much for the Jason Jordan heel turn

lol he wanted Hunter to be eliminated

[Destor]

Booking was insulting

[Evil Vito]

Guessing they do Braun/HHH at the Rumble to try to keep Braun out of the Rumble itself.

[Ruien]

BRAUN!!!!!

[Triple A]

That was good... glad they didn't do the obvious thing of having Shane McMahon somehow beat or almost beat those 3 guys

[Destor]

Guessing they do Braun/HHH at the Rumble to try to keep Braun out of the Rumble itself.

How would that keep him out of the rumble

[Jordan]

That match was good at times but turned out to be shit.

[Dark One]

Just going to leave this here to help wash the taste of that main event out of everyone's mind.

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[Ruien]

Maim event was amazing. BRAUN with 3 eliminations. Hell ya. And fucked up HHH.

[Dark One]

Match of the weekend was a kickboxing vampire vs Prince's love child.

Let that sink in.

[KIRA]

Bruan is a saint

[slik]

I enjoyed Survivor Series a lot. Not sold on HHH/Angle being a great match -- but it will be booked to within an inch of their lives, like Goldberg/Lesnar, HHH/Sting and Vince/Hogan -- so I'm not worried.

[Evil Vito]

How would that keep him out of the rumble

It'll be like Bryan/Bray in 2014. They just never mention Braun as a potential Rumble winner at all because he's too busy booked elsewhere on the card against SUPER ICONIC LEGENDSTAR TRIPLE H!

[Ruien]

Why is everyone hating on the main event? Shit was entertaining. BRAUN smash.

[Theo Dious]

BRAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUNNNNN

[Ruien]

It'll be like Bryan/Bray in 2014. They just never mention Braun as a potential Rumble winner at all because he's too busy booked elsewhere on the card against SUPER ICONIC LEGENDSTAR TRIPLE H!

I am fine with this is Braun gets the win over HHH. Otherwise we will just get a Reigns beating Braun to seal the victory for the rumble and fuck that.

[Droford]

Match of the weekend was a kickboxing vampire vs Prince's love child.

Let that sink in.

Wargames

[slik]

Maybe do Angle/HHH at the Rumble

Give me Braun vs HHH at WM plz

[Sepholio]

Maybe we get lucky and they have cooled off on Roman as the face of the company and are going to push Braun instead for the time being. That's what I hope comes out of this, anyways.

[Dark One]

Maybe we get lucky and they have cooled off on Roman as the face of the company and are going to push Braun instead for the time being. That's what I hope comes out of this, anyways.

Literally impossible but would be dope as hell.

[Dark One]

https://i.redd.it/978ibpldr1zz.gif

[Droford]

In other news Brocks knee is supposedly legit messed up

[Dark One]

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[Sting Fan]

Thats the first PPV I have paid for and watched cover to cover in years. I enjoyed it all immensely until the main event.

I enjoyed the womens matches, I didnt tune out at Corban vs. Miz which is a miracle as both make me want to change the channel and once I realized AJ was getting some offense in I enjoyed the hell out of that match.

My two issues with it were.

1. AJ Could have won. It wouldn't have hurt Brock at all to lose on some kind of uber fluke from a crazy Styles spot. Frame it as a "can you believe AJ actually pulled that shit off?". Maybe, just maybe push AJ onto another level and either line up a cross brand rematch later or keep the two apart and drive any story you want. AJ is ducking Brock, Brock is worried by AJ, or just go full WWE and ignore it ever happened.

2. All dreams aside they should have put the SS Match up second last and finish with AJ vs. Brock. Have your general clusterfuck of an ending that made no sense to the SS match and go into AJ vs. Brock with people daring to believe on some of those pinfalls for AJ and Smackdown finding a little redemption in a galant defeat. Smackdown came off as the chump show in that main event.

I really quite enjoyed the show but I had dared to hope the days of HHH/Mc Mahon ego booking were done and I was wrong. the good news was as a guy who doesnt watch much Raw or SD anymore I saw enough goods guys to be interested in the future of wrestling. I just dont know how much they can truly star while we trot out a wasted away looking Angle, a pudgy HHH and Shane O Mac as the headliners with Braun Stauman playing the lost child on the roadside to it all.

[Triple A]

In other news Brocks knee is supposedly legit messed up

Who said

[Dark One]

Watching Vince shut KO down when KO tried to talk to him in gorilla after the Mania match because he was disappointed in it is painful.

"We good?"
"No."
"No?"
"No."

Ooooof

[Sepholio]

2 weeks ago I would have told you Brock vs AJ was impossible.

WWE is throwing a lot of curveballs ever since the illness spree last month. And I can't say I don't like the vast majority of them more than the typical booking thus far. Everything was basically paint by numbers and easy to predict, now there is an aspect of uncertainty to it that I feel was missing. Heel HHH is probably about to put face Braun over....did anyone see that coming before tonight? HHH putting anyone over is saying something because HHH.

[Lock Jaw]

Hi Triple A, it's me Lock Jaw. Don't worry, I'm here.

Thought it was a good show overall. Weak points were the main event and the five on five women's match. Every other match was very good I think, and I have to mull over what I would choose as match of the night.......

[Emperor Smeat]

Who said

Some rumblings on Twitter right now and the way Brock looked walking back after the match.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Dark One]

Kevin Owens 365 was really interesting. Crazy how hard on himself and how unsure he gets at time.

Vince basically telling him to fuck off probably didn't help.

[Evil Vito]

Watching Vince shut KO down when KO tried to talk to him in gorilla after the Mania match because he was disappointed in it is painful.

"We good?"
"No."
"No?"
"No."

Ooooof

I remember thinking it was a good match. Granted their match at the next PPV was better, but still.

Not sure what Vince was looking for.

[GD]

I don't want to come across as "mean" but I was throughly disappointed by Kurt Angle's showing in the main event tonight.

[Sting Fan]

I don't want to come across as "mean" but I was throughly disappointed by Kurt Angle's showing in the main event tonight.

I am a massive Angle fan but if he never sets foot in a ring to wrestle again I will be happy. He looked extremely weak and well off the pace even with his limited spots.

I do remember thinking during his triple German Suplex spot that my expectations were probably to high.

[Lock Jaw]

I don't want to come across as "mean" but I was throughly disappointed by Kurt Angle's showing in the main event tonight.

Me too. Seems like Shane McMahon pulled out some better "mat wrestling" with all his "unique pin combos"

[Droford]

Some rumblings on Twitter right now and the way Brock looked walking back after the match.

I don't know how theyd handle him being hurt if he would be out beyond RR..

[Lock Jaw]

Can't really go by how Brock looked walking back, because he could have just been selling having his calf crushed.......

[Emperor Smeat]

I don't know how theyd handle him being hurt if he would be out beyond RR..

Probably would just delay Reigns-Lesnar to SummerSlam or possibly Mania 35 if they are still that desperate for a Lesnar rub to Reigns. They don't really have anyone left besides Cena who could give the coronation rub WWE needs for Reigns so that's probably the match for Mania 34.

Lesnar would need to drop the belt in the mean time and the choices are probably Balor (still owed a title rematch and proper reign), Strowman (finally pull the trigger on his big star status), or Cena (WWE will easily come up with a half-assed reason for Cena to be Universal champ).

[Droford]

HHH for Universal Champion

[Droford]

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[slik]

Highest of the High Praise from Heyman for AJ Styles. I don't know if I've ever heard Paul put someone over like that (outside of Brock):



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[slik]

^



"He is everything Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart & Ric Flair were - he's evolved their styles to truly be the single most phenomenal in-ring performer I have ever had the honor & the pleasure of watching up-close and I've been doing this my entire life".

[slik]

KO and Vince :(


https://streamable.com/2u6gd

[KIRA]

I think Vince just doesn't like KO like it makes him legit mad that somebody who looks like Owens is on his Flagship PPV

[#1-norm-fan]

Main event seemed to do a great job of putting over Shane McMahon and Triple H...

[Destor]

In all fairness strowman got some milage out of it

[Emperor Smeat]

According to the Observer's Bryan Alvarez, Triple H supposedly hurt his ankle during the Survivor Series match and WWE changed stuff on the fly mid-way to give Triple H enough time to recover for the finish.

Edit: Alvarez speculated it might have occurred when Triple H did the knee attack off the ropes to Nakamura.

[Sting Fan]

I guess that explains a bit why it felt so disjointed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Can't really go by how Brock looked walking back, because he could have just been selling having his calf crushed.......

Contrary to internet opinion, Brock Lesnar is a very, very, very fucking good professional wrestler. I'd put money on him selling and everyone being a fucking mark because Brock is the best.

It's funny what effect selling can have if it is done right by people who are good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Highest of the High Praise from Heyman for AJ Styles. I don't know if I've ever heard Paul put someone over like that (outside of Brock):



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It would be nice if they did this reflection on Raw so that millions of people would see it and AJ Styles might actually get something out of that praise.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why is shane a top act...i dont get it

Because he's a million times more over than most of the actual wrestlers. And USA loves their McMahon family drama. You know this.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's clear who the stars are in this company right now: They're Brock Lesnar and AJ Styles, with Velveteen Dream in distant third. Scrap all plans and run Brock vs. AJ in a unification match and Velveteen Dream & Aleister Black vs. The Usos. Nothing else matters. Retreat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Vince just doesn't like KO like it makes him legit mad that somebody who looks like Owens is on his Flagship PPV

Vince has given Owens a lot. He let him beat Cena in his first match with the company (something they still talk about). He listened to him and had him eliminate AJ Styles in the Royal Rumble. He put the Universal Title on him. He beat Chris Jericho at WrestleMania. He got to headbutt Vince. He got to wrestle Shane in Hell in a Cell (say what you want, that is a big thing in the eyes of the company).

Vince never had to hire Owens. He never had to push him. He could have lost interest after his first disappointing match with Cesaro, or his disappointing match with Jericho, or his disappointing match with AJ Styles. Owens has held up his end enough to warrant all these opportunities, but has also missed the mark enough to give Vince justified doubts. He might still be something really important to the company, but he could also end up being less pretty Dolph Ziggler.

[Juan]

I think Vince just doesn't like KO like it makes him legit mad that somebody who looks like Owens is on his Flagship PPV

Damn. If there was only something Vince McMahon could do about that. Oh well

[Gerard]

The main event was the drizzling shits.

[slik]

Contrary to internet opinion, Brock Lesnar is a very, very, very fucking good professional wrestler. I'd put money on him selling and everyone being a fucking mark because Brock is the best.

It's funny what effect selling can have if it is done right by people who are good.

Brock is an excellent seller (when the time is right) and he has brilliant facial reactions during matches.

This year alone Brock has majorly helped Samoa Joe, Braun Strowman and AJ Styles.

[slik]

Vince definitely likes KO.

You don't get to feud with HIS SON SHANE and headbutt him if he thinks you are awful at what you do. Vince has certain things he wants from every match and the Jericho-Owens match didn't meet what he wanted.

[slik]

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[Juan]

Vince definitely likes KO.

You don't get to feud with HIS SON SHANE and headbutt him if he thinks you are awful at what you do. Vince has certain things he wants from every match and the Jericho-Owens match didn't meet what he wanted.

Exactly. If Vince really hated KO, he wouldn’t be featured as much as he is, wouldn’t have a WWE Network special and wouldn’t have been on SS at all

[Evil Vito]

I'm thinking Raw tonight should open with Triple H and Stephanie boasting about Raw's victory, but not before Stephanie welcomes everybody to Monday Night Raw in that exaggerated voice she uses.

Then they can berate Kurt for getting eliminated during the match, and possibly fire him which will lead to Triple H and Stephanie as the heel figureheads up until Mania.

Sounds good. Nobody would sick of that.

[DaveWadding]

I wish there were a wrestling show where the authority figures were faces, consistent, and don't change every six months.

[Big Vic]

And then Romans music hits and he faces off with Triple H!

Kane vs Roman is made for the mainevent.

The first opening match will be Shaemus and Cesaro vs The Club.

[Jordan]

Man AJ/Brock was dope

[KIRA]

Vince definitely likes KO.

You don't get to feud with HIS SON SHANE and headbutt him if he thinks you are awful at what you do. Vince has certain things he wants from every match and the Jericho-Owens match didn't meet what he wanted.

Yea I didn't think that one through

[Jordan]

Yea I didn't think that one through

One of the rare times a TPWW member has admitted they were wrong. Just wanted to mark that. :y::y:

[Fignuts]

Contrary to internet opinion, Brock Lesnar is a very, very, very fucking good professional wrestler. I'd put money on him selling and everyone being a fucking mark because Brock is the best.

It's funny what effect selling can have if it is done right by people who are good.

Don't think anyone ever said he wasn't good. However, there was a period where he was just kinda lazy. Going through the motions and having the same match, and people started to tire of it a bit. Then the Dean Ambrose stuff came out, and that blew it up even more. I even made a whole thread on it.

All that said, in the past year or so, I think we've seen brock put in more effort to make his matches more interesting, and not the same old formula each time.

I would still put over AJ as the main reason why that match was so good, as he can make a broom stick look like a million bucks, but Brock definitely put in work as well. Great job by both guys.

[Fignuts]

Don't understand Damninator's beef.

It's good that some finishers are protected.

You can have someone kick out of it, but save it for mania, so it's a really big moment.

[Dark One]

Don't understand Damninator's beef.

It's good that some finishers are protected.

You can have someone kick out of it, but save it for mania, so it's a really big moment.

Yeah, I don't really disagree, but a few noteworthy counterpoints:

1) It's a little weird because it's pretty much JUST the F5 (with a few minor exceptions), so while it does build the move up, it also tends to chip away at the guys succumbing to it at first glance.
2) If you are building up/protecting a finish, I would argue that a World Champ vs Champ match at pseudo-Wrestlemania would be a time you could get away with a kickout.
3) I don't feel like they're doing a great job of selling that the F5 is in a class of its own if they're not going to do anything with #1. Given how much they wedge shit like "the one time a year where Smackdown and Raw go head to head in competition" they should be able to verbally sell that there's a reason ain't nobody kicking outta that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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Ouch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don't think anyone ever said he wasn't good. However, there was a period where he was just kinda lazy. Going through the motions and having the same match, and people started to tire of it a bit. Then the Dean Ambrose stuff came out, and that blew it up even more. I even made a whole thread on it.

All that said, in the past year or so, I think we've seen brock put in more effort to make his matches more interesting, and not the same old formula each time.

I would still put over AJ as the main reason why that match was so good, as he can make a broom stick look like a million bucks, but Brock definitely put in work as well. Great job by both guys.

Eh, I don't really agree. I think it's the smarky smarks like us who want to see more out of Brock. I think Brock "gets it" and knows that if he had the CM Punk match every night, then people would start bitching about him having the same CM Punk match. Brock brings it when there is a guy worth bringing it to. I had no doubt that Brock vs. AJ was going to be awesome.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The problem is that the F5 being built up as such a devastating move is that we've seen people kick out of multiple ones before, that they haven't really told that story and that it's a professional wrestling thing when they are so deep in this world of sports entertainment. They've conditioned their fans to expect multiple kick-outs. I've actually seen complaints about Jeff Hardy beating guys with one Swanton Bomb on the internet. They've gone down that path and now they want to back track and go in the right direction, but everything else is so goofy and exaggerated, then you want to things to build to a quiet statement. It's weird. They should really take that much care with all their finishes, or just have a general rule that finishing moves end things, unless it is supposed to be a big match where a false finish can mean something. It could take years of re-conditioning though.

[Big Vic]

Randy Orton is like the current only wrestler that knows how to protect his finisher.

[Big Vic]

I remember during the HHH/HBK feud they built up "It only takes one" referring to the super kick. Now the Uso's use 7 super kicks a match as transitional moves.

[KIRA]

One of the rare times a TPWW member has admitted they were wrong. Just wanted to mark that. :y::y:

When you are right you are right theres no point in fighting it I dunno it just seems natural to own up.

I still Hate Vince though.

[Stickman]

I think that was one of the best PPVs in a long time other than the main event. They didn't put over a single newcomer other than Braun. Legitimately felt like they dropped the ball, Joe, Balor, Roode, Nakamura all look weak now.

[Lock Jaw]

Smackdown "The land of opportunity to create new stars, where it isn't about the authority figures". Final three team members: John Cena, Randy Orton, authority figure

[Destor]

I think that was one of the best PPVs in a long time other than the main event. They didn't put over a single newcomer other than Braun. Legitimately felt like they dropped the ball, Joe, Balor, Roode, Nakamura all look weak now.

Weak isnt the right term...i dont think

[Stickman]

Weak isnt the right term...i dont think

Irrelevant?

[Destor]

No...they didnt lose anything from the match they just didnt gain anything. Net neutral

[Anybody Thrilla]

Nobody can get too crushed by Survivor Series, can they?

[Destor]

I mean you could but youd really have to go out of your way to do it

[Sting Fan]

Given my overall dislike for the main event one petty little thing that really bugged me was the commentators nothing HHH brought in Nakumura and Roode. It just felt unnecesary to me unless its been played up on T.V. before.

Just felt like another little HHH Ego rub.

[Droford]

duuh

[DAMN iNATOR]

Don't understand Damninator's beef.

It's good that some finishers are protected.

You can have someone kick out of it, but save it for mania, so it's a really big moment.

Would it have killed them to have Brock pick him up one more time, like "Fuck that!" instead of going for the pin, and deliver one more, then get the pin?

Doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Exactly. If Vince really hated KO, he wouldn’t be featured as much as he is, wouldn’t have a WWE Network special and wouldn’t have been on SS at all

They...pretty much weren't? A kick-off match doesn't count for anything, and their 5 seconds of interference in the main event were pretty much expected by everybody, so yeah...I'll go on the record and say they really weren't on the show at all, for all intents and purposes.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Have you not been watching Smackdown? They'll be a huge part of it tomorrow, I'm sure.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I'm sure they will, and I'm well aware (as much as I wish I weren't) of the Shane feud story. I was just saying from my personal POV, you might as well say they weren't on the show, that's all. :-\

[Anybody Thrilla]

But it made sense for them not to be, considering they're vehemently against Shane on the show, and Survivor Series is all about brand pride. In kayfabe, there's no reason for them to have brand pride. It made sense.

[hb2k]

Yeah, I don't really disagree, but a few noteworthy counterpoints:

1) It's a little weird because it's pretty much JUST the F5 (with a few minor exceptions), so while it does build the move up, it also tends to chip away at the guys succumbing to it at first glance.
2) If you are building up/protecting a finish, I would argue that a World Champ vs Champ match at pseudo-Wrestlemania would be a time you could get away with a kickout.
3) I don't feel like they're doing a great job of selling that the F5 is in a class of its own if they're not going to do anything with #1. Given how much they wedge shit like "the one time a year where Smackdown and Raw go head to head in competition" they should be able to verbally sell that there's a reason ain't nobody kicking outta that.

This is the exception in that it's Brock, and nobody has kicked out of it in years now. It beat Goldberg at Mania.

That main event was utterly infuriating to me. With all that talent, all that potential, I was so excited to see this match. They could have done so much, so many fun and interesting cross-ups to be had, and you could have done a hell of a lot to elevate guys that need it. Instead, they line up, one after another, to lose like jabronis to set up HHH and Strowman, which they think will be huge but won't be.

This show was a real wake-up call to just how bad the dynamic of the booking has gotten at the top of the promotion. It's no wonder they're doing their lowest attendances for Raw and Smackdown in years. Absolutely abysmal booking.

[Sting Fan]

This is the exception in that it's Brock, and nobody has kicked out of it in years now. It beat Goldberg at Mania.

That main event was utterly infuriating to me. With all that talent, all that potential, I was so excited to see this match. They could have done so much, so many fun and interesting cross-ups to be had, and you could have done a hell of a lot to elevate guys that need it. Instead, they line up, one after another, to lose like jabronis to set up HHH and Strowman, which they think will be huge but won't be.

This show was a real wake-up call to just how bad the dynamic of the booking has gotten at the top of the promotion. It's no wonder they're doing their lowest attendances for Raw and Smackdown in years. Absolutely abysmal booking.

Its bordering on being WCW post the nWo bubble. Midcard ripping it up while the main event is the drizzly shits. The guys who should be true main eventers get rolled back down to the midcard when a big show rolls around.

[Tom Guycott]

The problem is that the F5 being built up as such a devastating move is that we've seen people kick out of multiple ones before, that they haven't really told that story and that it's a professional wrestling thing when they are so deep in this world of sports entertainment. They've conditioned their fans to expect multiple kick-outs. I've actually seen complaints about Jeff Hardy beating guys with one Swanton Bomb on the internet. They've gone down that path and now they want to back track and go in the right direction, but everything else is so goofy and exaggerated, then you want to things to build to a quiet statement. It's weird. They should really take that much care with all their finishes, or just have a general rule that finishing moves end things, unless it is supposed to be a big match where a false finish can mean something. It could take years of re-conditioning though.

Yes, in the realm of overusing finishers, it is kinda weird seeing it being scaled back. A notable example is the end of Lesnar/Joe... Joe is this monster and credible threat, and the F5 kills him dead. In hindsight, though, if he continues to kill people dead with it instead of needing to hit it 12 times, it will seem like less asshole booking and more credibility building in hindsight. But because WWE has be so overboard for so long, we hadn't even noticed how Young Bucks-like a philosophy the company had until they jarringly started to pull that back.

However, if they continue to make finishers mean more AND pepper shit like the finish of the Asuka match on RAW (She didn't even use the Asuka Lock, just a flurry of strikes, and a kick to the head, and : poof :, RIP Dana) the correction can eventually be made. Not an overnight fix, but at least it's being addressed.

[Jordan]

I felt Nakamaura was booked very well minus the fact he had to lose early. But his offense was incredible and he used it on Triple H and Kurt Angle.