IT HAS BEGUN - The #7Deities have WOKEN my #BROKENBrilliance

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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I still think WWE is going to botch this, but with this being on Matt's channel and even Senor Bejamin references, maybe they have just said to Matt "Ah fuck it, go nuts". I shall follow this and give it a fair shot. I'm interested enough to watch it, which is more than I can say for anything else WWE is currently doing.

Even for the people that don't like the gimmick, if it results in Reby on TV, it's a win for everyone.

[Evil Vito]

Vince will be scripting Broken promos before all is said and done.

[Evil Vito]

"VANGUARD, YOU'RE A BASTARD!"

[Big Vic]

Vince will be scripting Broken promos before all is said and done.

Matt Hardy: "I love to have fun"

[slik]

meanwhile in Impact....

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[slik]

Matt Hardy: "I love to have fun"


"We did this for the WWE Universe"

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Matt Hardy: "I love to have fun"

Booker: "Ha HA! Look at Woken dance with the 7 Deities you know what I'm saying they love having fun!"

[Evil Vito]

Wonder what will happen to Jeff when he comes back. The "easy" answer is he'll come back, wonder why Matt's lost it, and feud. But I feel like people don't really want to see the Hardys feud again.

Instead I'd bring him back as Brother Nero. Give the Broken Hardys a run for a few months. Then I guess after Mania you can send Jeff over to SmackDown in the Draft/Shake Up and he'll normalize and get a main event run there.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Wonder what will happen to Jeff when he comes back. The "easy" answer is he'll come back, wonder why Matt's lost it, and feud. But I feel like people don't really want to see the Hardys feud again.

Instead I'd bring him back as Brother Nero. Give the Broken Hardys a run for a few months. Then I guess after Mania you can send Jeff over to SmackDown in the Draft/Shake Up and he'll normalize and get a main event run there.

Meltzer says he's coming in Obsolete too. Don't know if it will be instant, but the current plan is allegedly they're on the same team.

[TSI]

Vince will be scripting Broken promos before all is said and done.

Thats the saddest thing Ive read all day

[Simple Fan]

I look forward to WWE ruining this. Hopefully we get the whole Broken family with Senor Benjamin, Skarsguard and Vanguard 1. Could see Hardy running with on twitter more so than on WWE TV.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Vince will definitely think Senor Benjamin is Shelton Benjamin... and hilarity (and sadness) will ensue.

[Vastardikai]

What's the over/under that Bray Wyatt falls into the Lake of Reincarnation, and returns to being Husky Harris?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

What's the over/under that Bray Wyatt falls into the Lake of Reincarnation, and returns to being Husky Harris?

I'm so erect at this idea... So no chance.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Vince will definitely think Senor Benjamin is Shelton Benjamin... and hilarity (and sadness) will ensue.

This made me laugh so much harder than the actual gimmick will.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Fuck this.

[KIRA]

"We did this for the WWE Universe"

"I'm here for these people"

[Droford]

This should be Token Matt Hardy where he just has brief appearances every Monday night

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol that'd actually be amazing.

Everybody gets one, Droford.

[Droford]

Sunken Matt Hardy - unsuccessful battleship captain
Taken Matt Hardy - he doesn't have any money but he does have a very specific set of skills

[Fignuts]

...and you ruined it.

[Evil Vito]

Droken Matt Hardy: relentlessly touts about how amazing Baltimore sports teams are despite any and all evidence to the contrary

[Anybody Thrilla]

Matt Hardy: He sucks and fuck him and everyone shut up

[#BROKEN Hasney]

You could just not open the thread and go about your day, or you could spout wrong opinions like a little bitch. Up to you really ��

[Anybody Thrilla]

I have to make sure no one is doing anything uncouth in here.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

No, I'm just naked as usual.

[Fignuts]

Uncouth is how I roll.

[Danny Electric]

"Oh my god Matt Hardy has woken, what's he gonna do now ?"

Massive yawn fest feud with Bray Wyatt till Jeff gets back.

Vince - "Hmm This isn't working, get Edge to sleep with his wife"

Followed by the return of The Hardy Boys... continuous losses.

"Matt and Jeff have returned to the Impact Zone"

Something along those lines.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/7Deities?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#7Deities</a> have EMPOWERED &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WOKEN?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WOKEN</a> my VESSEL's <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BROKENBrilliance?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BROKENBrilliance</a> to DELETE the rubbish away from the plane identified as WWE.<br><br>It COMMENCES tonight at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWESaltLakeCity?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWESaltLakeCity</a>. <a href="https://t.co/nc2s19xcf8">pic.twitter.com/nc2s19xcf8</a></p>&mdash; #WOKEN Matt Hardy (@MATTHARDYBRAND) <a href="https://twitter.com/MATTHARDYBRAND/status/937080033516044288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Evil Vito]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

So fucking bad.

[Droford]

If he's #woken his "delete" shtick should be changed to "sleep! Sleep!"

[Droford]

Mr Sandman Hardy

[Evil Vito]

So fucking WONDERFUL!

[Destor]

lol @ woken

[Emperor Smeat]

They should have saved the Woken name for when he snaps out of being Broken but isn't back to being regular Matt yet.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Matt Hardy does not have the range or the talent to portray that level of nuance, haha.

[Emperor Smeat]

He did do something similar with the amnesia part of the Broken storyline in Impact where he wasn't Broken nor regular Matt for a few weeks.

[Anybody Thrilla]

That sounds awful. I guess I'll see for myself tonight.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

So do people just like it because he talks funny and says odd words? Like, what is cool about him talking to a gardener, calling porn "literature," and using the word "paramount?"

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Well I mean you're missing his lobster bisque, which is outrageous.

[A.J.K]

I am looking forward to this.

[Fignuts]

So do people just like it because he talks funny and says odd words? Like, what is cool about him talking to a gardener, calling porn "literature," and using the word "paramount?"

Same reason people like B movies.

He is the wrestling gimmick equivalent of The Room.

[Destor]

That actually makes a lot of sense

[Destor]

I had him peggednlike Ellsworth. People liking him ironically

[Tom Guycott]

It wasn't just liking it ironically just to go against the grain... the gimmick also had an advantage of being both an intentionally laughable trainwreck AND the most entertaining shit in TNA compared to what the company was doing themselves.

I'm hoping Jeff does return to being Brother Nero in original context, where he actually changed up his moves and was more like Matt's heavy/lackey, but I'm sure that even if he was, he'd be back to shirts off and jumping off shit inside two or three matches.

I also hope that they teleport/time travel (which was a thing in #broken canon - it's how they vacated their TNA titles and ended up being able to challenge The Bucks of Youth) and end up in SRW to challenge for the Tag Titles in the 80's so that they can continue their pursuit to become the greatest tag champions in all of space and time.

[Destor]

That's the worst thing I've ever read

[Lock Jaw]

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[Blonde Moment]

That's the worst thing I've ever read

That is what makes it great.
Enjoy it for what it is, not what it isn't.

[Destor]

Enjoy it for being awful...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, that's the thing with shit like this. It reminds me of when I used to deliberately write shit short stories in high school thinking I was a bad-ass like a Chuck Palanuik or something. It's called 15-year-old boy syndrome, and it's frowned upon in every single art form you can find, because people usually grow up and see it for what it is.

Doing something to intentionally be bad is actually just bad. If you've got it in you to do something good, do something good instead. Stuff like The Room and John Waters' old campy movies got over because they weren't trying to be bad. It's a rule of camp that there's a sincerity to it. The thing is that the WWE has the largest budget in the world, so there's no way this can be kids trying to get over in the backyard sincerely. These are grown-ass men with arrested development.

I think this Broken stuff says something about the state of wrestling. I really do. When someone shits in your mouth and you think it tastes good, what have you been eating all this time? If wrestling were good then people wouldn't be marking out for someone taking the piss out of it and doing everything they can to make it look as bad as it can to be "different" and "refreshing."

[Mr. Nerfect]

The sad thing is that Jeff Hardy can actually be a star. He's proven that time and time again. And now that there are only hardcores, and they are so dulled by wrestling, they're not going to let it go if he doesn't fuck around as "Brother Nero" (Get it?!? He's Matt's brother and his middle name is "Nero!") for a good few months of his remaining good years.

[Sepholio]

It makes me laugh. Beyond that who cares?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Doing something to intentionally be bad is actually just bad. If you've got it in you to do something good, do something good instead. Stuff like The Room and John Waters' old campy movies got over because they weren't trying to be bad. It's a rule of camp that there's a sincerity to it. The thing is that the WWE has the largest budget in the world, so there's no way this can be kids trying to get over in the backyard sincerely. These are grown-ass men with arrested development.

But that's the thing, there is sincerity to it. The original parts of this until after the contract signing weren't played for laughs, it was done with total seriousness.

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After that, they knew it was shit and leant into it, but because the roots are in this awful, but hilarious character, that still has come out.

I've not watched the Raw segment yet, but I get your point as to why this can't be pulled off within the confines of WWE and I totally agree with you there. This needs dramatic drone shots of House Hardy and be filmed using handheld cameras with outtakes left in such as Matt trying to roll out the ring in that contract signing video. They need to just give Matt an end goal and permission to film 10 minute segments. With how bad the rest of Raw is, it won't bring down the average quality no matter what he sends in.

[Tom Guycott]

The sad thing is that Jeff Hardy can actually be a star. He's proven that time and time again. And now that there are only hardcores, and they are so dulled by wrestling, they're not going to let it go if he doesn't fuck around as "Brother Nero" (Get it?!? He's Matt's brother and his middle name is "Nero!") for a good few months of his remaining good years.

But the other side is WWE's idea of him being a star is to just continue letting him take his shirt off and jump off shit ad nauseum. Guess he can't win, huh?

[Tom Guycott]

But that's the thing, there is sincerity to it. The original parts of this until after the contract signing weren't played for laughs, it was done with total seriousness.

After that, they knew it was shit and leant into it, but because the roots are in this awful, but hilarious character, that still has come out.

I've not watched the Raw segment yet, but I get your point as to why this can't be pulled off within the confines of WWE and I totally agree with you there. This needs dramatic drone shots of House Hardy and be filmed using handheld cameras with outtakes left in such as Matt trying to roll out the ring in that contract signing video. They need to just give Matt an end goal and permission to film 10 minute segments. With how bad the rest of Raw is, it won't bring down the average quality no matter what he sends in.

And let's be honest, nothing he does can be as bad as that nonsensical copycat Wyatt Family/New Day segment they tried to pull on the heels of this stuff.

[Tom Guycott]

That is what makes it great.
Enjoy it for what it is, not what it isn't.

Yep. I can like Shawshank Redemption and Attack of the Killer Tomatoes and still consider myself a fan of movies. Works in watching wrestling, too.

[Fignuts]

Pretty lame way to debut it, tbh

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Pretty lame way to debut it, tbh

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

I don't think the Matt Hardy part was bad, it kind of explained it to the crowd while not boring those that already know of it. Crowd popped for it and there was laughing too, just dumb to do this cutwith a Wyatt promo.

I'm mostly curious if this just becomes a WWE character or if he does get segments of all the out of the ring stuff. After the New Day/Wyatt and the House of Horrors match, I think Vince really does want that kind of segment on his show ESPECIALLY with Bray.... I just think it will be as shit as those things.

[Evil Vito]

Yeah, I'd have preferred if it had just been Matt. Seemed odd to have Bray talking about what a madman Hardy was before he'd even done his first crazy promo.

Still, I don't think it was bad. Hopefully they just let these two come up with their own shit for this program. If nothing else it'll be more inspired and thoughtful than most WWE booking.

[Evil Vito]

I like that he explained why he's now WOKEN in a way that actually makes sense rather than them just arbitrarily picking a word that rhymes with Broken and never addressing it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But that's the thing, there is sincerity to it. The original parts of this until after the contract signing weren't played for laughs, it was done with total seriousness.

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After that, they knew it was shit and leant into it, but because the roots are in this awful, but hilarious character, that still has come out.

I've not watched the Raw segment yet, but I get your point as to why this can't be pulled off within the confines of WWE and I totally agree with you there. This needs dramatic drone shots of House Hardy and be filmed using handheld cameras with outtakes left in such as Matt trying to roll out the ring in that contract signing video. They need to just give Matt an end goal and permission to film 10 minute segments. With how bad the rest of Raw is, it won't bring down the average quality no matter what he sends in.

I appreciate what you're trying to say, but nope. It's just a case of nope. You are right in that Raw is painful, so it may not hurt. But it will not help unless it does draw in 15-year-old boys who don't spend any money and won't stick around.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yep. I can like Shawshank Redemption and Attack of the Killer Tomatoes and still consider myself a fan of movies. Works in watching wrestling, too.

Yeah, but you don't screen them one after the other on the same channel and have both in the running for the Oscar. You also don't pay to see one at the cinema or watch one with people who don't like shitty movies. That's a really loose and weak analogy, to be honest.

It's like saying "I like fighting, so they should put Leonardo from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles against Connor McGregory. Because fighting is fighting."

[Mr. Nerfect]

But the other side is WWE's idea of him being a star is to just continue letting him take his shirt off and jump off shit ad nauseum. Guess he can't win, huh?

The thing is that one worked and the other one isn't going to. And the answer is "No. Not everybody can win. That's life and performance-based business. Deal with it."

[Mr. Nerfect]

It makes me laugh. Beyond that who cares?

As long as it makes you laugh.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sorry, but this shit is so fucking gross and why wrestling is in a hole and looked down upon.

[Simple Fan]

Gross like mustard?

[Sepholio]

Noid if you aren't entertained by it then don't watch. It's that simple. You are turning into a reverse Cynick, bitching just to bitch. It seems to me from the way the crowd was popping for it that they want to give it a shot. You're the outlier here.

Some people can laugh at this crap and get enjoyment out of the absurdity of it. It isn't our problem that you can't.

[Cool King]

It seems to me from the way the crowd was popping for it that they want to give it a shot.

I dunno.

It was an L.A crowd.

L.A are a pretty "smarkish crowd" so it was pretty much a safe bet that they would go crazy for it.

That's probably why they chose to debut it now, as Raw would be in L.A.

If they chose to debut it at a Raw that was in a place that didn't have a "smark crowd" then it probably wouldn't have got much of a reception, which would have lead to other crowds not giving a fuck about it and then the gimmick falling flat on its face and dying.

By choosing L.A and getting the reaction it did, other crowds will most like be into it a bit more now and do the whole stupid "Delete Arm Thing" and so on.

[Cool King]

"Monkey See, Monkey Do".

That's kinda what wrestling fans are like, in a way.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I'm not impressed by the mindset of these crowds. They fall for the first attempt at a finish in a match, chant "You deserve it" at Naomi and are dwindling in number. I find it odd I am called an outlier when most people aren't watching. Most wrestling fans aren't watching. Most people who watch Raw, statistically, couldn't possibly know what this is. That's who are in these crowds.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Funny thing is, the Bray Wyatt vidoe already has 900,000 views, which is almost more than any Broken Matt Hardy video has ever gotten. Be careful what you wish for...

[screech]

Noid, I'll never understand why you spend time shitting on this stuff. It's clearly not your cup of tea, and you don't seem to have a financial stake in it. Why not just ignore it?

[Fignuts]

Sorry, but this shit is so fucking gross and why wrestling is in a hole and looked down upon.

Wrestling in America is and always will be looked down upon. Even at it's most popular, it still has that carny stink to people who don't watch it.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Sorry, but this shit is so fucking gross and why wrestling is in a hole and looked down upon.

Oh no, because if they didn't run with this angle, the show with the dude who turns into a demon for pay per views, the Olympic gold medalist with a black son given to him as a rib, the cross dressing furry preacher that may be possessed by a demon and a dude thst emerges from garbage trucks would be so great.

It's not even a straw thst breaks the camels back, it's more entertaining than all of that (potentially)

[Evil Vito]

I want Matt Hardy to beat Brock Lesnar for the Universal Championship.

You and me both.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't think it's supposed to be BAD. I think it's supposed to be over the top. I also think Noid's problem seems to stem from the fact that it's presented with wrestling that doesn't match up with the "world" it exists in. Which is debatable. But wrestling sucks now. So I can just watch whatever Matt's doing and not give a fuck about context.

If I were to watch a full Raw now, I wouldn't be thinking "What is this weird Matt Hardy shit doing in the middle of my wrestling show?" I'd be thinking "What is this horrible wrestling show doing interrupting my glorious Matt Hardy skits?"

[Tom Guycott]

Just wondering, Noid: did you really miss the point of my posts, or are you just trolling because you want to hammer home without a shadow of any doubt that you don't happen to be a fan of the #broken business?

Pulling two random "fighters" - one of whom is a total work of fiction, and another who is a flesh and blood UFC fighter and loosely bridging them because "fan of fighting" isn't exactly the same thing as comparing two movies. A better one - and one I would have made - would have been to say that if I were that "fan of fighting" I like both boxing and mma.

Either way, you seem way too perplexed that people could like a thing you don't... and yes, I'm the same person who has never been super high on HHH or never saw the supposed value of Eva Marie in any capacity; that people who like the Broken Matt do so just to be contrarian and/or edgy as there is no other conceivable reason for anyone to find it endearing or entertaining in any way.

[Tom Guycott]

I don't think it's supposed to be BAD. I think it's supposed to be over the top. I also think Noid's problem seems to stem from the fact that it's presented with wrestling that doesn't match up with the "world" it exists in. Which is debatable.


... the same "world" where Kurt Angle has an illegitimate mulato son, Undertaker is a zombie biker priest who can control lightning indoors and is led by a magical urn, and people aren't sure if Dusty Rhodes and The Midnight Rider are the same person or not.

[Lock Jaw]

I count myself among those who just don't get the Matt Hardy thing and its appeal. Whatever, though...... I guess it does make me go from "ugh Matt Hardy I just don't care" to "ugh Matt Hardy this is cringeworthy but at least I am paying attention to it?"

[#1-norm-fan]

... the same "world" where Kurt Angle has an illegitimate mulato son, Undertaker is a zombie biker priest who can control lightning indoors and is led by a magical urn, and people aren't sure if Dusty Rhodes and The Midnight Rider are the same person or not.

Yeah. I'm saying that whole argument isn't even relevant to begin with though. Even if the "worlds" were totally different, WWE still sucks and if something that is entertaining comes along, I'm not gonna be too worried about whether it matches up with WWE's "world". I'm gonna watch that thing and ignore the other shit. If WWE were to actually start putting out a compelling product again, THEN we can get to whether Matt fits in and if he's a detriment to the rest of the show or not.

[rez]

#woken

[Simple Fan]

Noid acts like wrestling has some moral code and the gimmick breaks it somehow. Wrestling is not above anything as it has proved over the years. There is not set standard in wrestling that makes it good or bad as it mostly subjective and tries to appease many different demographics. One of the main reason the Broken gimmick works is because its came during a time when wrestling is trying to be too serious and people actually want to see something that they don't see every week. It's also something that a talent came up with themselves and not the same old dull writing that come from creative.

I think Bray is perfect to debut the character with but I also feel that alot of the aspects that made Broken Hardy work should have been used for him. They've tried to give him the supernatural powers but never pulled the trigger. I think it'd be beneficial to Wyatt to actually join Hardy instead of the other way around. If Wyatt joins Hardy and begins to please the 7 Deities, then they might start to favor him more than Hardy. I just hope it does something for Wyatt in the long haul.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh no, because if they didn't run with this angle, the show with the dude who turns into a demon for pay per views, the Olympic gold medalist with a black son given to him as a rib, the cross dressing furry preacher that may be possessed by a demon and a dude thst emerges from garbage trucks would be so great.

It's not even a straw thst breaks the camels back, it's more entertaining than all of that (potentially)

Your argument is that things that also aren't good means that other things not good should be considered good? Okay. I hate all those things listed. You're completely misrepresenting my position for your convenience, but you've got nothing else, so of course you are.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wrestling in America is and always will be looked down upon. Even at it's most popular, it still has that carny stink to people who don't watch it.

And this is not going to help with that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid, I'll never understand why you spend time shitting on this stuff. It's clearly not your cup of tea, and you don't seem to have a financial stake in it. Why not just ignore it?

You always do this. I'm a numbers guy. I like thinking about why stuff does and doesn't work. And I like talking about wresting and how it could be better, worse, etc. Just because you don't get that doesn't mean I am wrong for doing it. The gross irony is that your critique of my critiquing is just as offensive as mine could possibly be, and that never seems to register with you. If you don't like thinking about that sort of stuff, don't think about it. But how dare you tell someone they are wrong for pointing out what they think is wrong without any appreciation of the irony.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think it's supposed to be BAD. I think it's supposed to be over the top. I also think Noid's problem seems to stem from the fact that it's presented with wrestling that doesn't match up with the "world" it exists in. Which is debatable. But wrestling sucks now. So I can just watch whatever Matt's doing and not give a fuck about context.

If I were to watch a full Raw now, I wouldn't be thinking "What is this weird Matt Hardy shit doing in the middle of my wrestling show?" I'd be thinking "What is this horrible wrestling show doing interrupting my glorious Matt Hardy skits?"

Ding, ding ding -- #fan gets it again. There's a reason he's one of the best posters here. I don't like the hokey shit. I appreciated irony in wrestling for a tiny bit when I had trouble controlling my erections, but then I grew up. But I've always hated hokey. I hate large portions of what The Undertaker has done because of this. I hate a large part of what Braun Strowman is doing now because of this. It's cute that people are trying to use that against me in order to try and portray me as a WWE apologist or something.

Where you and I differ is that I think wrestling sucks, but I'm not going to enjoy watching someone piss on a goat just because the rest is shit. It is possible for Braun Strowman being crushed in a trash compactor and Matt Hardy being a geek to both be completely shit. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

And that's why you're the only supporter of this that has ever made any sense to me, because at least you just say "I enjoy it" and can identify that it's enjoyment comes from complete dissatisfaction with the rest of wrestling, instead of some fucking barely cohesive explanation about why it is actually good and why apparently I'm a freak because I don't think a guy pulling funny faces and doing funny voices in lieu of anything substantive is compelling.

I honestly haven't had my brain cells lowered so much as these fucking conversations about Broken Matt Hardy. It's trash. Fuck supporting this shit, it is literally why we can't have nice things. I try not to offend people personally with this, but it really makes me uncomfortable how...stupid people are about this. It's really, really stupid.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just wondering, Noid: did you really miss the point of my posts, or are you just trolling because you want to hammer home without a shadow of any doubt that you don't happen to be a fan of the #broken business?

Pulling two random "fighters" - one of whom is a total work of fiction, and another who is a flesh and blood UFC fighter and loosely bridging them because "fan of fighting" isn't exactly the same thing as comparing two movies. A better one - and one I would have made - would have been to say that if I were that "fan of fighting" I like both boxing and mma.

Either way, you seem way too perplexed that people could like a thing you don't... and yes, I'm the same person who has never been super high on HHH or never saw the supposed value of Eva Marie in any capacity; that people who like the Broken Matt do so just to be contrarian and/or edgy as there is no other conceivable reason for anyone to find it endearing or entertaining in any way.

I addressed your analogy and I don't think it was very good. This is not boxing and MMA. Both at least try to take themselves a little seriously. Well, MMA does. I could say that this is more like comparing the films of Spielberg to a German porn director who might even be able to tell you where to get some snuff. Anyone can pull a random analogy out of their ass. I'm not convinced by yours and I explained why I don't think it contextually applies.

No, I'm not perplexed as to why people could like a thing I don't. There are plenty of things I like that people don't, and there are plenty of things that people like that I don't. Stop trying to toss that blanket over this. I am disgusted by this, like I would be backyard wrestling, or low-level porn where you're not sure the actors didn't get paid in anything but drugs. I don't mind if people love Casablanca or trashy B-movies or whatever. I'm not talking about that -- I'm talking about this hack shit and it being presented in the mainstream.

Matt Hardy is not MMA. He's not boxing. He's not even your mother's fucking Tai Chi class.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Your argument is that things that also aren't good means that other things not good should be considered good? Okay. I hate all those things listed. You're completely misrepresenting my position for your convenience, but you've got nothing else, so of course you are.

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

I hope Vanguard 1 reappears. Well, I at least hope he got over his drinking problem first. Poor little drone.

[Fignuts]

Should swoop in and attack Bray as he is delivering a spooky promo.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Should swoop in and attack Bray as he is delivering a spooky promo.

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[Evil Vito]

Vanguard 1 entering the Royal Rumble would blow the roof off of the fucking building.

[Evil Vito]

Also I can't help but picture Frank Grimes when I read Noid's posts about Matt Hardy. I hope for his safety that there are no open electrical circuits around.

[Simple Fan]

Matt Hardy is not MMA. He's not boxing. He's not even your mother's fucking Tai Chi class.

No he's a wrestler and they have gimmicks in wrestling. Do you want wrestling to be presented like MMA and boxing?

[screech]

You always do this. I'm a numbers guy. I like thinking about why stuff does and doesn't work. And I like talking about wresting and how it could be better, worse, etc. Just because you don't get that doesn't mean I am wrong for doing it. The gross irony is that your critique of my critiquing is just as offensive as mine could possibly be, and that never seems to register with you. If you don't like thinking about that sort of stuff, don't think about it. But how dare you tell someone they are wrong for pointing out what they think is wrong without any appreciation of the irony.

Please quote where I said you were wrong to have a different opinion. You can't because I have never said that, but it's the narrative you love to push on me.

Being a numbers guy is fine. It's not that I "don't get that," but again you love to spin it to make me seem like a moron because you're a dick.

You clearly just come into threads like these to bitch about how everyone is terrible for enjoying something that you don't. I just don't see how this is a good time for you.

[Destor]

No he's a wrestler and they have gimmicks in wrestling. Do you want wrestling to be presented like MMA and boxing?
Personally yes

[TSI]

I see the broken character as a comedy act for smarks. Santino was for kids, Broken Matt is for adults, except Matt can actually wrestle. Theres a place for him on the card. Not everything can be super serious. Wrestling is about entertainment right?

[Destor]

What about this character is for adults?

[TSI]

What about this character is for adults?

Hes basically satire of pro wrestling. Hes over the top poking fun at how campy wrestling is.

[Destor]

Yeah I dont thats the case but ok

[KIRA]

Yeah I dont thats the case but ok

For me its wrestling MST3K

Its sooo god awful that I like the fact that it sucks

I've never seen it as anything more than that

[TSI]

For me its wrestling MST3K

Its sooo god awful that I like the fact that it sucks

I've never seen it as anything more than that

Yeah thats a better way of putting it than how I said it. I agree 100 percent

[Destor]

MST3K is great because its great..the movies suck...maybe if someone was doing commentary over the top of Matts stuff it would be better

[Vastardikai]

I kind of get what he's going for, but it may not necessarily be for me.

That said, Matt is very good at getting himself over with his intended audience in the modern era. His singles run, from V1 onwards demonstrate this. His best act was doing in 1 feud what WWE itself couldn't do with 6 months and every top guy they could find: Make people buy Edge as a heel.

In essence, Matt is probably one of the better minds of wrestling, as crazy as that sounds. Even if the Broken/Woken Universe makes ZERO FUCKING SENSE.

[screech]

No he's a wrestler and they have gimmicks in wrestling. Do you want wrestling to be presented like MMA and boxing?

I'd like wins and losses to matter.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Please quote where I said you were wrong to have a different opinion. You can't because I have never said that, but it's the narrative you love to push on me.

Being a numbers guy is fine. It's not that I "don't get that," but again you love to spin it to make me seem like a moron because you're a dick.

You clearly just come into threads like these to bitch about how everyone is terrible for enjoying something that you don't. I just don't see how this is a good time for you.

Because I love discussing wrestling. Again, we're back to where we started. I'm not going to do this dance with you anymore. Your perceptions are your perceptions. Enjoy them. I hope they are a good time for you. :)

[Mr. Nerfect]

No he's a wrestler and they have gimmicks in wrestling. Do you want wrestling to be presented like MMA and boxing?

It'd be a start, haha.

Everybody is using pro-wrestling strategies to get rich except pro-wrestling. It's so weird.

Having gimmicks are fine. Everybody has a gimmick. It doesn't mean the gimmick has to be so outlandish it doesn't make sense and remind people of why they outgrew this stuff in the first place.

[#1-norm-fan]

Really, if they don't bring in the supernatural stuff, Matt Hardy being a weird fuck who snapped and started believing he was royalty and speaking in an English accent while mispronouncing words because he's not ACTUALLY as cultured as he thinks he is... isn't even that unrealistic of a wrestling gimmick if you think about it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Really, if they don't bring in the supernatural stuff, Matt Hardy being a weird fuck who snapped and started believing he was royalty and speaking in an English accent while mispronouncing words because he's not ACTUALLY as cultured as he thinks he is... isn't even that unrealistic of a wrestling gimmick if you think about it.

No, and I've always said that. I can buy Matt as a "tortured artist" who has never been as charismatic or as good as his brother. Matt is legitimately a crazy, obnoxious bastard who keeps pet giraffes and has all this shit lying around.

It loses me on a few fronts:

1. The supernatural stuff. Fuck off. Disqualified.

2. The attempts at what I think are comedy. If you laugh because Matt says an unusual word, then I just don't think we are ever going to have the same tastes in terms of satire. Someone posted a gif of Matt and Helms doing this hack thumbs up joke that would only be funny to 12 year olds 12 years ago. It's just so bad in terms of its actual substance and scripting. If this were a B-movie trying to be bad, I would hate it just as much, because I prefer things that are so bad that they're good; not so bad that they're just bad.

3. The fandom around it. It's drooling. It's gross. Some people are just...easy, I guess. I don't know how to say it without insulting people, haha. It makes me feel like intellectual discussion about wrestling is impossible. Like, I feel like you have to communicate in memes and people saying "NO! You are the DELETED chosen one! Let us celebrate over kumquats, crochets and pomegranates!" like it means anything. It's just de-spiriting, and there's no way not be elitist about it. It's lame and embarrassing.

[screech]

Because I love discussing wrestling. Again, we're back to where we started. I'm not going to do this dance with you anymore. Your perceptions are your perceptions. Enjoy them. I hope they are a good time for you. :)

Yes, the song and dance of you ignoring direct questions with condescending paragraphs.

It's not about my perceptions. It's you being an asshole instead of answering simple questions.

I hope your tower is nice :D

[#1-norm-fan]

The Triple H burial joke with Helms was too much of a wink and a nod. It was cringeworthy "IWC humor" that didn't really fit.

The rest of the stuff is just fun. Not meant to be taken seriously. In a wrestling era where stuff is meant to be taken seriously and not fun. I feel the same about Southpaw Regional Wrestling. I don't see why this should be held to a different standard than that. In both cases, you either like them based on their own merit or you don't. As a wrestling fan, I enjoy the over-the-top absurdity of both. It's not something that's been done to death yet with wrestling.

[Evil Vito]

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Noid: "Extremely high voltage, I don't need to wear safety gloves because I like Broken Matt Hardy"

[Sepholio]

Someone please unban The Cynick for a few minutes so he can weigh in on this. Pretty please?

[#1-norm-fan]

I remember CyNick was really adamant that all these NERDS who wanted him to come in with the broken gimmick didn't understand wrestling because no one knows what "Broken Matt" is so WWE will need to "break" him somehow to start the gimmick new for everyone.

Didn't he just kinda... suddenly start the gimmick last week after losing a match?

Willing to bet CyNick would flip flop now and be like "You see, there's no reason to waste time 'breaking' him. They just got to the point. Brilliant on WWE's part, really."

[Evil Vito]

Someone please unban The Cynick for a few minutes so he can weigh in on this. Pretty please?

Nah, Heyman can't weigh in. He's banned.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yes, the song and dance of you ignoring direct questions with condescending paragraphs.

It's not about my perceptions. It's you being an asshole instead of answering simple questions.

I hope your tower is nice :D

Lol, the whole point of those paragraphs is that you're in a tower, mate. You can't just toss the ball back and say "There!" If you feel like a moron when discussing with me then I suggest you look at what you actually imply.

I...like...talking...about...wrestling. When...it...sucks...I...talk...about...why...I...think...it...sucks. When...it's...good...I...talk...about...why...I...think...it's...good. I...think...this...sucks...and...I...think...it's...symptomatic...of...large...problems.

Can you understand yet? I am allowed to come in here and talk about something happening in wrestling and say "This is dumb; this is why." You don't have to understand why. If you'd rather just have a love-stream pouring out of you all the time, that's cool. I think that's overrated and naive. Other people think it is a recipe to a long life. Different strokes for different folks. That is how you condescend to the opinion of others just as much as I do when I say "Nah, this is really bad, guys." You're implying that your idea of a good time must be better than someone else's idea of a good time. At least I can be honest when I say that anyone of the opinion that this is good stuff is wrong.

And when people say "I just like it," like #fan does, we have a really good discussion about it. Odd that, isn't it? It's almost as if when people turn to ad hominem attacks don't have a retorts for why this might just be a really bad piece of business that it turns into a bunch of butt-hurt people upset that Broken Matt isn't anywhere near close to universally adored.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I remember CyNick was really adamant that all these NERDS who wanted him to come in with the broken gimmick didn't understand wrestling because no one knows what "Broken Matt" is so WWE will need to "break" him somehow to start the gimmick new for everyone.

Didn't he just kinda... suddenly start the gimmick last week after losing a match?

Willing to bet CyNick would flip flop now and be like "You see, there's no reason to waste time 'breaking' him. They just got to the point. Brilliant on WWE's part, really."

Well, he's actually not wrong about the first bit. No one did actually give a shit about Broken Matt outside the hardest of the hardcores. The YouTube videos average 300,000 hits. That is not anywhere near close to total penetration. His WWE one is probably already doing better than his TNA ones ever did.

But you're right in that he would flip-flop and say that they are brilliant and giving Matt Hardy a chance to do fan service and appeal to those live crowds.

[screech]

Lol, the whole point of those paragraphs is that you're in a tower, mate. You can't just toss the ball back and say "There!" If you feel like a moron when discussing with me then I suggest you look at what you actually imply.

I...like...talking...about...wrestling. When...it...sucks...I...talk...about...why...I...think...it...sucks. When...it's...good...I...talk...about...why...I...think...it's...good. I...think...this...sucks...and...I...think...it's...symptomatic...of...large...problems.

Can you understand yet? I am allowed to come in here and talk about something happening in wrestling and say "This is dumb; this is why." You don't have to understand why. If you'd rather just have a love-stream pouring out of you all the time, that's cool. I think that's overrated and naive. Other people think it is a recipe to a long life. Different strokes for different folks. That is how you condescend to the opinion of others just as much as I do when I say "Nah, this is really bad, guys." You're implying that your idea of a good time must be better than someone else's idea of a good time. At least I can be honest when I say that anyone of the opinion that this is good stuff is wrong.

And when people say "I just like it," like #fan does, we have a really good discussion about it. Odd that, isn't it? It's almost as if when people turn to ad hominem attacks don't have a retorts for why this might just be a really bad piece of business that it turns into a bunch of butt-hurt people upset that Broken Matt isn't anywhere near close to universally adored.

Lol you've literally ignored every question I've asked you by calling me a moron because you think I'm "heated" that you have a different opinion. I'll explain it one more time so you might actually read it.

You can like or dislike whatever you want. But you only come in threads like these to bitch about how much you hate the broken gimmick. And that Is mind-boggling to me that you spend so much time saying the same shit, then being a condescending shithead when you're called on it.

I don't care about this broken gimmick one way or the other, for the record. People enjoy it, and other people don't. I just don't feel the need to yell: "No! You're all wrong for enjoying this thing I hate! Here's the same 48 reasons why you shouldn't watch this crap!"

[Fignuts]

Noid, most people have a problem with you, because you imply anyone who likes something you don't is a gibbering idiot.

I don't really give a fuck if you want to be a dick or not, but for fucks sake, just go all in on it and stop explaining yourself with all these diatribes, and tell the haters to just fuck off. This passive aggresive bullshit derailing threads is tiring.

[Destor]

It'd be a start, haha.

Everybody is using pro-wrestling strategies to get rich except pro-wrestling. It's so weird. truth

[Destor]

Also I love mood posts. STAY YOU NOID

[Fignuts]

Yeah, do you, just stop worrying about explaining why you are you.

[Evil Vito]

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[Helmsphere]

Just because I want to feel cool again.

Hard to believe, We are talking about a guy who I waited on earlier this year, Granted this was well before Wrestlemania

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol you've literally ignored every question I've asked you by calling me a moron because you think I'm "heated" that you have a different opinion. I'll explain it one more time so you might actually read it.

You can like or dislike whatever you want. But you only come in threads like these to bitch about how much you hate the broken gimmick. And that Is mind-boggling to me that you spend so much time saying the same shit, then being a condescending shithead when you're called on it.

I don't care about this broken gimmick one way or the other, for the record. People enjoy it, and other people don't. I just don't feel the need to yell: "No! You're all wrong for enjoying this thing I hate! Here's the same 48 reasons why you shouldn't watch this crap!"

I've literally addressed this so many times. I'll defer to all my previous statements in this thread. I've never called you a moron, but if you feel like one, I suggest you reflect on why yourself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If I did directly call you a moron, I apologize. Never my intention. I do find your position that somehow my direct responses to the things you've said to be frustrating though. This is a wrestling forum. I come on here to discuss wrestling. If I like something, I'll like it; if I don't, I won't. I don't get why it is hard for you to accept people critiquing things they don't like. But it's happened a few times that you take this "You're ignoring my questions; you don't think the way I do and I don't get it" stance. I'm not sure if English is your second language or something (seriously -- maybe there is a communication gap). If it helps, number them out and I will respond to each one.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah, do you, just stop worrying about explaining why you are you.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[Sepholio]

That coat of battle is quite amazing.

[mike adamle]

I've literally addressed this so many times. I'll defer to all my previous statements in this thread. I've never called you a moron, but if you feel like one, I suggest you reflect on why yourself.

So it's cool to indirectly call him a moron but not to directly do it eh? Very childish.

[screech]

Holy shit, Noid. You've got to be trolling me at this point. There's no way your reading comprehension is this bad.

But it's happened a few times that you take this "You're ignoring my questions; you don't think the way I do and I don't get it" stance.

This is not at all what I've done, but it's (for some reason) the message you've decided to take from it.

I have asked you why you are a dick to anyone who likes this gimmick. I understand you don't, and that is not an issue. But your responses in this thread have been shitting on people who like the gimmick because you hate it (and basically calling me an idiot for "not getting your answers" when you address something I'm not asking).

This is not difficult: you can like or dislike whatever you want. But you don't have to be a cunt to anyone who disagrees with you. I'm not sure how many other ways I can explain it. I think I've been quite clear, and you're either missing it or willfully ignoring it.

[Evil Vito]

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Edge and Christian on Woken Matt Hardy, with Christian referring to Matt as a "fucking genius".

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yeah, for whatever reason, "the boys" love it. Can't remember who it was talking about it on Jericho or Stone Colds podcast, but they were saying that most of the WWE locker room was watching The Final Deletion after it aired and loving it. Even John Cena came in and said "What are you guys watching?" they told him and he said "Could one of you give to me afterwards so I could watch it from the start? I would very much like to see it" in that weird John Cena backstage impression everyone seems to have and he ended up enjoying it too.

[screech]

It's pretty wild how over it is with fellow rasslers. Loved how pumped Edge and Christian were about it.

[screech]

Didn't Jericho tell that Cena story when he had Hardy on the show? Feel like he prefaced the interview with it before talking to an in-character Matt (which was pretty great).

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Oh yeah, that was the one. That was such a crazy fun podcast. Of all people, Broken Matt Hardy was keeping kayfabe alive.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy shit, Noid. You've got to be trolling me at this point. There's no way your reading comprehension is this bad.



This is not at all what I've done, but it's (for some reason) the message you've decided to take from it.

I have asked you why you are a dick to anyone who likes this gimmick. I understand you don't, and that is not an issue. But your responses in this thread have been shitting on people who like the gimmick because you hate it (and basically calling me an idiot for "not getting your answers" when you address something I'm not asking).

This is not difficult: you can like or dislike whatever you want. But you don't have to be a cunt to anyone who disagrees with you. I'm not sure how many other ways I can explain it. I think I've been quite clear, and you're either missing it or willfully ignoring it.

Why are you a dick to anyone who likes this gimmick?

Because it's hack. I don't like hack things. I've said that time and time again. When I don't like something I will say I don't like it. I mean, I'm a dick about the gimmick, but not to people "liking" it. #fan likes/liked it and I could respectfully disagree with him. What bothers me is when people confuse that subjective enjoyment wit objective statements about its success (like people saying that more people want to see it than seeing The Hardy Boyz, because that cannot be mathematically true).

Why do I call you an idiot/moron?

Have I? Did I actually say that? You keep alluding to it but find me the part where I said that. Again, if I did, I apologize.

Why do you address something I'm not asking?

Because I honestly don't get your circular reasoning. I address what I think you're asking and you go into "Ah, but I didn't ask that, therefore..." and I honestly have no clue what you think you're asking, because you always frame it like it's some big slam or something. I'm genuinely trying to answer your questions, haha. But you're so preoccupied with calling me a dick for calling you a dick, even though I didn't call you a dick. I just get annoyed at you calling people a dick when anyone measuring dick-acting is surely going to have to put anyone in this thread next to you.

Do you get how I might get confused?

Why do you talk about wrestling if you think it's bad?

Because I like talking about wrestling.

But why do you do it? You sound like an asshole. Wouldn't an asshole do that? Why do you call people asshole by the way? That sounds assholey. You're an asshole, asshole.

Okay, but do you not detect the irony here?

That's not what I'm talking about. Stop changing it.

That's literally how it feels talking to you when you get into this mode, and I say it to you, because I remember it specifically being you who has done it before. I'm going to stop interacting with you when you try it, because it honestly gets too frustrating. When you have to put everyone on a high horse because you're trotting around on one, it's just too much for me.

Peace out.

[screech]

There's nothing "circular" about any of my posts here: I'm literally repeating myself because you consistently call me on things I don't talk about and act like you've "won" or something.

How is this that hard for you still? You're acting people enjoying this gimmick is some kind of crime against the business. I get that you like talking about wrestling, that was never unclear (though somehow you think I miss that). But shitting on everyone who enjoys something that you don't (because yes, that's what you're doing) is you being an asshole, not "talking about wrestling."

I really don't know how many other ways I can explain it before you understand - or actually read what I've said.

[screech]

Can't find the post, but somebody shared a recent clip and asked about Matt's odd-looking teeth. I just remembered it and pictured Big Show as DDP doing this style to mock Matt.

And that's how you book the big man for WrestleMania.

Edit: found it. Even from the screenshot I see it. "I want you, to like you :D, even if you're broken! :D"

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Is it just me or has Matt got fake upper teeth? Totally different colour from the bottom ones, and this woken thing....:shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

There's nothing "circular" about any of my posts here: I'm literally repeating myself because you consistently call me on things I don't talk about and act like you've "won" or something.

How is this that hard for you still? You're acting people enjoying this gimmick is some kind of crime against the business. I get that you like talking about wrestling, that was never unclear (though somehow you think I miss that). But shitting on everyone who enjoys something that you don't (because yes, that's what you're doing) is you being an asshole, not "talking about wrestling."

I really don't know how many other ways I can explain it before you understand - or actually read what I've said.

I'm literally repeating myself to you. You're trying to call shit on me, not vice versa -- I don't even like talking to you, haha. Acting like I've "won?" Dude, I don't even get where you're coming from half the time.

I think the gimmick is a crime against the business, haha. I think it is the kind of horse-shit that stops people from enjoying wrestling on any sort of level where it has credence. It might not matter to some, but credibility is important, and there's a different between going to a concert and going to a show where they fuck a pig.

If people want to enjoy watching pig fucking, they can do it. That's never been my point (and you won't ever concede that because it doesn't fit your narrative -- whatever). My point is that it's pig fucking. If you feel bad for watching pig fucks, then I suggest not watching them fuck. If you don't -- whatever. Just don't tell me it ain't pig fucking, because it is totally pig fucking.

In Australia we have a saying: Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.

[Mr. Nerfect]

"Oh, but that hurts my feelings." Harden the fuck up, seriously. If you like the Broken Matt stuff, then whatever. If my opinion that it is microwaved dog cum makes you change your mind, then I hope it is for intellectual reasons. If you like it because you like it, cool. Good. Just don't ever come over to my house and touch anything. It's important to me to be honest about the subject though, so fuck you for trying to get me to be nicer to some backyard fetish porn. I feel the need to call it out. There's a difference between that and kink-shaming though.

Get it through your mind -- I don't have to like what you like. Isn't that supposed to be one of your own fucking points? Why is it so important to you that people are intellectually dishonest and sit around all saying "No, that must be good because you like it." "No, I think that is good because you like it." When you weight everything with such subjectivity, then my sheer OPINION that it's a sack of hemorrhoids and rotten oysters becomes MORE important; not less. That is what I don't get about you -- you seem to want to every opinion to matter except dissenting ones. That is why you don't make sense to me. Which one is it? Pick a fucking side, man.

If you like Broken Matt, I don't hate you. I just think you are a wrong. And #fan proves that I've at least attempted to explain my reasons why, because he gets it. I am allowed to think you are wrong. You are allowed to think I am wrong. But what is so fucking annoying is when you think you are allowed to think that I am wrong because I shouldn't be able to think you are wrong. The fuck? The fucking fuck fuck?

Another rant. Your response will be: "I didn't say that. I just asked why you go out of your way to do it," even though I've just ranted about that very thing. Ugh. And here I am still biting on what could be troll bait. Where is the good discussion? I need something with more meat.

[screech]

lol Where have I suggested this hurts my feelings? You claim to like talking about wrestling, but all you're doing with this is telling people it sucks and they shouldn't like it. That's not discussion. You're being a cunt for the sake of it and crying foul when I call you on it.

That's all this is.

[Sepholio]

Yeah Noid didn't like it when I said I didn't care beyond the point of it making me laugh.

You know what else makes me laugh? The pwnage Screech is laying down in this thread.

[Evil Vito]

Week 2 in the books:

-Another back and forth promo battle

-Zero crowd reaction (although to be fair, the crowd's been quiet most of night)

-They've added a totally unnecessary breaking transition for Hardy

-Another laughing exchange which was way longer than last week and, after WWE posted a literal 10 hour video of Hardy laughing this weekend, now feels incredibly forced

-First thing they cut to afterwards is the announcers laughing it up and talking about how goofy Matt Hardy is acting

I was hoping WWE could at least get the feud to their inevitable gimmick match before they totally fucked it up. And I'm no longer optimistic about that.

[Savio]

"They liked the laughing bit last week, let's do it again... And extend it"

[Evil Vito]

Yeah, that was terrible. It worked in the first promo because it was unexpected and absurd. Doing it again straight away is a misfire, and now I can only groan thinking it'll be included each and every week.

[#1-norm-fan]

-Another laughing exchange which was way longer than last week and, after WWE posted a literal 10 hour video of Hardy laughing this weekend, now feels incredibly forced

... They didn't...

Tell me they didn't do that.

[#1-norm-fan]

Instantly got flashbacks of the "Hey kids! Ain't this 'Fandoing' craze hip?!" reaction to Fandangoing becoming a thing when I read that.

[Evil Vito]

... They didn't...

Tell me they didn't do that.

http://i.imgur.com/9u4oxbP.jpg

"Do yourself a favor, don't turn around."

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[Lock Jaw]

Wonder if people contemplating suicide will watch that video to help them along

[Evil Vito]

Wonder if people contemplating suicide will watch that video to help them along

HMB agrees to marry you on the spot on the condition that you sit through the whole video. Deal?

[Simple Fan]

The Sister Abigail part was a good explanation of Wyatt's obsession with her. If its just going to be a laughing contest though it seems like a waste.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Week 2 in the books:

-Another back and forth promo battle

-Zero crowd reaction (although to be fair, the crowd's been quiet most of night)

-They've added a totally unnecessary breaking transition for Hardy

-Another laughing exchange which was way longer than last week and, after WWE posted a literal 10 hour video of Hardy laughing this weekend, now feels incredibly forced

-First thing they cut to afterwards is the announcers laughing it up and talking about how goofy Matt Hardy is acting

I was hoping WWE could at least get the feud to their inevitable gimmick match before they totally fucked it up. And I'm no longer optimistic about that.

Well, it was a good week when I enjoyed it. Thanks WWE.

[Big Vic]

Instantly got flashbacks of the "Hey kids! Ain't this 'Fandoing' craze hip?!" reaction to Fandangoing becoming a thing when I read that.

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Ugh

[Evil Vito]

Well, it was a good week when I enjoyed it. Thanks WWE.

Yeah. Matt's already tweeted a tease saying that these first two weeks were to "draw out the demon" and that he'll "elevate the ante" next week, whatever that means.

Could mean nothing but given how active he's been in reading his Tweets I'm sure he's seen the mountain of negative comments about this week's promo feeling just like a forced, hamfisted WWE effort and wanted to try to get ahead of it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah Noid didn't like it when I said I didn't care beyond the point of it making me laugh.

You know what else makes me laugh? The pwnage Screech is laying down in this thread.

screech is laying down nothing but massive logic turds. My response to you was "As long as it makes you laugh." I still think it's bad for the image of wrestling, but as long as you get a chortle, cool.

[Sepholio]

Awww look Noid is resorting to Neg reps. Are your feelings hurt because people enjoy something you don't? I'm sorry. Wait, no I'm not. Pussy.

[Sepholio]

Besides, 2 can play that petty little game.

[screech]

screech is laying down nothing but massive logic turds. My response to you was "As long as it makes you laugh." I still think it's bad for the image of wrestling, but as long as you get a chortle, cool.

lol you've barely actually read anything I've said to you, but sure - "logic turds"

Whatever makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, buddy!

[Sepholio]

The fact that he neg repped me for suggesting you were DESTORYING him (which you are) means he knows that he is getting DESTROYED.

[Black Widow]

Has been and a fat guy rambling is all I'm seeing lol

[Evil Vito]

Re-watching last night's promo. Totally missed Bray calling Matt a modern day golden calf followed immediately by Matt mooing. That was pretty good.

The back and forth transitions are fucking shit though. Works way better without them or with just really quick ones that you barely notice.

[#1-norm-fan]

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Just watched. Those transitions are pretty brutal. Did they edit out Matt mooing though?

[Evil Vito]

Yeah it appears so. They took out that plus one of the things Bray said. The transitions make it seamless to edit stuff out later if they want to, but they're still dumb.

Oh and they also edited out one of the laughing fits from each guy (there were three at first....uncomfortably long). Maybe that means even WWE realize it was excessive.

Lmao silly me, the whole promo will be laughing before long.

[Juan]

Boggles my mind that 2017 Noid is actually admitting to giving people shit for something they enjoy but he doesn’t, when a few years ago he was defending himself from BDC and Kane Knight for liking stuff they didn’t like

[Juan]

Somewhere, Paul London and Val Venis are turning over in their graves

[Juan]

Noid, the point is that it’s ok to not like something, but to give people shit for having a different opinion is highly hypocritical of you. Especially given the fact that you have so much to say about a product that outside of a few YouTube videos, you don’t even watch.

We get it, you think WWE sucks, but don’t be a dick to someone who dares enjoy it or gives it a chance before totally shitting on it. Take a chill pill

[screech]

My man Juan gets it.

[screech]

Been behind on my rasslin so I just saw the first one last night. Just as campy as I figured, but it was a good way to introduce the gimmick.

That 10-hour laughing video, though - yikes.

Gonna watch this week's shows tonight. Based on some responses, I'm less hopeful haha

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid, the point is that it’s ok to not like something, but to give people shit for having a different opinion is highly hypocritical of you. Especially given the fact that you have so much to say about a product that outside of a few YouTube videos, you don’t even watch.

We get it, you think WWE sucks, but don’t be a dick to someone who dares enjoy it or gives it a chance before totally shitting on it. Take a chill pill

Literally been saying this for 8 months. Now people understand.

[Simple Fan]

Its not just WWE either, I don't think Noid likes wrestling in general. He just likes talking about how he wants wrestling to be.

[screech]

I didn't see a bunch of the original version of this, so I'm curious: Did Jeff join him even after the Final Deletion thing? Will they join up when Jeff is healed?

[Simple Fan]

Yeah, but Jeff was the one that broke him in the first place.

[screech]

Oh. Well that's a twist.

I bet Vince uses it as a reason for another BLOODFEUD.

[Simple Fan]

Jeff broke him in a I Quit match after diving off a stairwell onto Matt. Final Deletion had a stipulation that if Matt won he became the sole owner of the Hardy Brand and Jeff had to become Brother Nero and stop his spot monkey addiction.

[Evil Vito]

As batshit crazy as it is, Matt's actually been consistent with the backstory of his character everywhere he's taken it. Including WWE.

His soul is currently in the physical vessel of Matt Hardy but it's been around for hundreds of years in other vessels, hence him having a violin from Stradivari amongst other things.

The thing is - in TNA, ROH, and wherever else it was proven that all of the batshit stuff Matt has said was actually 100% true. His Lake of Reincarnation literally does send people back into their old gimmicks. He wasn't lying about any of it.

It's unlikely WWE will go that deep into it. Maybe he'll do a few paranormal things like Bray but for the most part they've positioned it early on as "Matt's just acting weird and saying nonsense" and it'll feel half-assed.

[Simple Fan]

Agree and I liked the part where he explained that Sister Abigail had taken over Bray's vessel. Hardy made sense of Sister Abigail in one promo better than WWE had done since Wyatt showed up.

[Anybody Thrilla]

As batshit crazy as it is, Matt's actually been consistent with the backstory of his character everywhere he's taken it. Including WWE.

His soul is currently in the physical vessel of Matt Hardy but it's been around for hundreds of years in other vessels, hence him having a violin from Stradivari amongst other things.

The thing is - in TNA, ROH, and wherever else it was proven that all of the batshit stuff Matt has said was actually 100% true. His Lake of Reincarnation literally does send people back into their old gimmicks. He wasn't lying about any of it.

It's unlikely WWE will go that deep into it. Maybe he'll do a few paranormal things like Bray but for the most part they've positioned it early on as "Matt's just acting weird and saying nonsense" and it'll feel half-assed.

:|

[Evil Vito]

http://www.pwpix.net/images/mugshots/images/matt-hardy-mugshot-2.jpg

[screech]

If you're gonna be over the top, you may as well be consistent with it, right?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Someone should cure ABT's adeeeection to this thread.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Boggles my mind that 2017 Noid is actually admitting to giving people shit for something they enjoy but he doesn’t, when a few years ago he was defending himself from BDC and Kane Knight for liking stuff they didn’t like

Have brought this up to him. His argument is that people change.

[Vastardikai]

You would think that, after all his years in the business and his ability to get his shot over, WWE Creative would know enough to let Matt do his own thing and only direct him towards angles.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Awww look Noid is resorting to Neg reps. Are your feelings hurt because people enjoy something you don't? I'm sorry. Wait, no I'm not. Pussy.

Sounds like you're the one who is getting hurt by it, truthfully. I only neg rep mike adamle posts and people that I think make something counter-productive towards discussion. You fall into the later category.

1. screech is coming from a position that his perspective is correct. This has always been my biggest gripe with him when he goes off onto these tangents. He's the only person on these boards that does it. Literally, the only one. Everyone else seems to get subjective versus objective, at least to some extent. But he can't seem to wrap his head around why someone would think that something someone subjectively likes is objectively bad, and why they would bother critiquing it on a board to discuss these things. It's asinine.

2. screech constantly says I ignore his points despite me consistently responding directly to them. "Why would you come here and make fun of something people enjoy?" seems to be the place he keeps returning to, despite me answering this time, and time, and time, and time again. It's interfering with something I enjoy. I am open to people discussing it and saying "I enjoy it." I've given examples of that. Where I jump off is when people say "I enjoy it, therefore it is good." It make be far too logical a way of thinking for some who can't separate themselves from what they enjoy, but...

3. screech constantly makes the implication that my opinion must be wrong if it clashes against the opinions of others. This is a self-defeating argument and one that cannibalizes itself. Wouldn't your subjective opinion be defeated by mine then? Of course not, because it's a one-way street with folks like screech. These are the sort of people who will cry "free speech" and then get upset when someone says "you're wrong." Ironically what you're accusing me of, I guess.

So, here it is spelled out for: Broken Matt Hardy is dumb. It's not fucking funny and anyone who likes it can be accused of bad taste. All wrestling is bad taste. Cool. That doesn't alleviate that Broken Matt is worse. It's daft, dumb and, frankly, not even very creative. But casual audiences have been chased away so all that are left are my fellow geek to enjoy it and that is why we can't have nice things.

That is my opinion. What do I base this on? Well, my own opinion, which is as weighted as highly as yours and belongs just as much in a thread about Broken Matt as anything else. But also the fact that it did zero business in TNA despite getting all these rave reviews about being the hottest thing in wrestling. Mathematically impossible. Actual lies -- not malicious ones, but just ones out of ignorance.

Why does it even matter to me? Because I want wrestling to get good again. It's impossible with shit like this on television. That it makes you laugh might be the problem.

If you enjoy it? Fine. I enjoy wrestling, but I wouldn't make the claim it deserves an Emmy or even a fucking time-slot with the way things currently are. But I still subjectively like it, even though I don't think it's good. Now, with Broken Matt, I challenge someone to explain to me why it is good. How it is good. #fan tried. "It's different and everything else is shit" seems to be the winning argument. Good work, guys. You're really "destroying" me.

Either get this thread back on track and start talking about the subject matter at hand and not screech's white-knight complex, or you will continue to go down in my books. You might not care, but it sounds like you do by your massive sook.

Also, keep in mind that the closest thing to an insult I've thrown at you this whole time is lumping you in, collectively, with the geeks who still watch wrestling, and accusing you of bad taste. I haven't called you dumb, or a moron, or an idiot, or a pussy. Just like I never called screech that. I've asked if he can pick it out and thus far he hasn't. He's called me plenty though. Interesting, huh?

DISCLOSURE: I did edit a post that said "I think this is trash and everyone who likes it is trash" for poetic emphasis, but I thought some people might actually take it to heart, since when it comes to Broken Matt and having an opinion on him, apparently you don't even need to call someone a name to call them a name. I'm not even against name-calling, because I don't take it seriously and find it a bright way to pepper conversation, but in this context I went out of my way to avoid it.

My gripe with screech is how he formulates his arguments. His seems to be more based on how I make him feel and a need to try and "get one over" on me. Cool. He can do his thing. I've explained Broken Matt very thoroughly, and I've explained my issues with the substance of his posts. He continues to say I ignore him. Now I will.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Boggles my mind that 2017 Noid is actually admitting to giving people shit for something they enjoy but he doesn’t, when a few years ago he was defending himself from BDC and Kane Knight for liking stuff they didn’t like

Yeah, and if both were around I'd apologize to them for being a little turd. Don't so much remember the BDC stuff, but KK would present arguments and I'd say stuff like "No, that doesn't matter," but he was right about a lot. I can admit that now.

[#1-norm-fan]

I much prefer the Noid who hates on everyone/everything in wrestling to the Noid who seemed to think everyone/everything was great.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I much prefer the Noid who hates on everyone/everything in wrestling to the Noid who seemed to think everyone/everything was great.

#BROKEN Noid

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid, the point is that it’s ok to not like something, but to give people shit for having a different opinion is highly hypocritical of you. Especially given the fact that you have so much to say about a product that outside of a few YouTube videos, you don’t even watch.

We get it, you think WWE sucks, but don’t be a dick to someone who dares enjoy it or gives it a chance before totally shitting on it. Take a chill pill

I thought I was giving the gimmick criticism this whole time. If people think I've been giving specific people shit, then I'm sorry. No, I just think the gimmick is absolute shit. Which is okay by your initial statement?

The reason I don't watch the product regularly is because of shit like this. I still follow and this makes it hard. Is that inappropriate to say? Is that hypocritical? Or is it more hypocritical to say "You can't have an opinion about our opinion?" I'm legitimately confused as to how you guys think opinions work.

I realize that I can come off snarky in tone. That bluntness is part of my "gimmick." I don't see the point in saying "Hey guys, sorry, but, ummm" on a wrestling forum. I'd just get to the point and say "Matt Hardy is shit." Sometimes I will exaggerate and say "Matt Hardy's the fucking worst piece of garbage in wrestling today," which isn't true, and I trust can be discerned by people. But I do think people are confusing this snark with personal attacks. Now that it's not just screech, I will probably take some more time off these boards after today, because I honestly don't feel like talking to people in wishy-washy language (how I get to express myself here is a large part of why I stick around, and not just what I express).

But I'll point to a conversation you and I had about 205 Live, where you said the guys "deserve it," which struck me as a weird thing to say about guys that have, frankly, not worked well at all on the main roster. You ended up coming back around to "just my opinion" and I was like "cool, man." I think it's a bit of a work that this is about opinions. This is because people have a complex with me because they think I act smarter than they do. Look at screech flipping out about me making him feel like an idiot for simply addressing his points time and time again. "Why do you come here?" "Why do you do this?" Answer, answer. "No, I want an answer, you cunt. I am smart too." Blah, blah.

I'm not going to dumb myself down. I'm not going to stop trying to make objective points over just saying "I like this guy! I like to have fun!". Some people come here for that and I do, largely, try to stay out of their way, because I was once like that. I've wizened up and now I crave more substantive conversation. Some (Destor, #1-wwf-fan, Gertner, sometimes Dale, BigCrippyZ before he got bored, sometimes Thrilla) can provide that. Others -- man, it's weird that you think I'm the one with my head up my ass. I'm waiting to learn something and be taught something, but all you want to do is talk about how regal your feelings are.

It's no wonder these boards are flat and not fun anymore. You used to get all sorts and all sorts of people talking about all sorts of things. Now they're dead, and a large part is because conversation breaks down into stupid little wars like this, and a large part of that is because there is only, like, one type of fan still left engaged by the product.

I'm very happy for you all enjoying the downward spiral. It is going to get worse with you cheerleading it though. As I said earlier when the Matt Hardy video got more views than the TNA stuff ever did: "Be careful what you wish for..."

[Mr. Nerfect]

I much prefer the Noid who hates on everyone/everything in wrestling to the Noid who seemed to think everyone/everything was great.

I used to be very, very naive, haha. I honestly feel as if my opinion now is very balanced and objective. And when someone corrects me, I'm honestly happy to adjust myself. How many times have I said "You were right about Alex Riley?"

[Big Vic]

I miss Evil Noid who tried to see CyNicks side of things.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I miss Evil Noid who tried to see CyNicks side of things.

Evil Noid is a gimmick I do sometimes try to revive for Raw threads and such. It might make a comeback soon.

[screech]

Noid, you likely have me on ignore now, but I will try one more time to explain my very simple point since you still can't seem to get it. I'll throw spoiler tags to save space for everyone else.


1. screech is coming from a position that his perspective is correct. This has always been my biggest gripe with him when he goes off onto these tangents. He's the only person on these boards that does it. Literally, the only one. Everyone else seems to get subjective versus objective, at least to some extent. But he can't seem to wrap his head around why someone would think that something someone subjectively likes is objectively bad, and why they would bother critiquing it on a board to discuss these things. It's asinine.


This is not correct, but somehow this is what you keep taking from my posts. I'm not trying to be "correct." You're not actually discussing things, you're being a dick to anyone who likes this gimmick. I am pointing out how ridiculous that is. I've done this in at least two threads with you and you still can't get it.

2. screech constantly says I ignore his points despite me consistently responding directly to them. "Why would you come here and make fun of something people enjoy?" seems to be the place he keeps returning to, despite me answering this time, and time, and time, and time again. It's interfering with something I enjoy. I am open to people discussing it and saying "I enjoy it." I've given examples of that. Where I jump off is when people say "I enjoy it, therefore it is good." It make be far too logical a way of thinking for some who can't separate themselves from what they enjoy, but..

Well, you do ignore my points, but I'll wrap with that. And you are definitely not okay with people enjoying this. You have said many times that you think this gimmick "kills the business" and lecture everyone who likes it on why he is wrong.

3. screech constantly makes the implication that my opinion must be wrong if it clashes against the opinions of others. This is a self-defeating argument and one that cannibalizes itself. Wouldn't your subjective opinion be defeated by mine then? Of course not, because it's a one-way street with folks like screech. These are the sort of people who will cry "free speech" and then get upset when someone says "you're wrong." Ironically what you're accusing me of, I guess

This is also incorrect. I have said many times that you can like or dislike anything you want. You just don't need to be a dick to people who disagree with you - which is what you're doing to basically everyone in here. How you have yet to grasp this is silly at this point. We all get that you hate the gimmick. Some people enjoy it, and that's okay.


My gripe with screech is how he formulates his arguments. His seems to be more based on how I make him feel and a need to try and "get one over" on me. Cool. He can do his thing. I've explained Broken Matt very thoroughly, and I've explained my issues with the substance of his posts. He continues to say I ignore him. Now I will.

The problem is you're constantly "talking down to me" for not getting your point - when you address points I'm not making.

I don't know if you're not getting it, or just willfully ignoring it now, but my entire point is that you can like/dislike/talk about whatever you want. You just don't need to be a total dick to anyone who shares a different view. That's all I've been saying.

I'm not sure if you're just not that smart or if you're just being an asshole for the sake of it, but it's really not a hard concept.

Well that was fun!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I've discussed many things in this thread and why I think it hurts wrestling. I've explained the usefulness of camp, the sincerity of it, and the damage that ironic subversion can do. I've explained what I think the positives of the gimmick could potentially be. Your accusations that I am just insulting people is a blatant lie. But I will defer to everyone else on that. Have I made my thoughts on why I think this gimmick sucks apparent? If the answer is "yes," then kindly stop with that false point, screech.

I do not ignore your points. I simply don't think your logic makes any sense. I respond to them as best you can. I made the offer to number them so I can reply as directly as you seem to need me to, but you didn't do that, so I replied as best I could. Also, to clarify, if what I think is your first point is wrong (which I believe I have demonstrated it is), then your second point has no bearing anyway. "Why do you do what I'm accusing you of doing but you haven't actually done." Great one.

I can dislike anything I want? Okay. I dislike this gimmick. With a passion. People can disagree with me. #fan does. Again, I'm not the one who resorted to name-calling. Some people enjoy it, and that's okay, but it's still okay for me to not and to make my reasons why. That has been my point all along, and the irony you don't seem to get. That is why when you say that I'm "talking down to you," I find it funny, because it's a necessity of your stance that only positive opinions are okay, and that comes from the assumption that you are correct, which is actually very obviously you talking down to me.

It's back to "your opinion that my opinion sucks hurts my feelings" point. You're allowed to think my opinion sucks. You're allowed to disagree with me. But don't then turn around and tell me that I am a dick because I don't agree with you. Wtf? That's been my whole problem with you, and only you, because you are the only one who does it, until Seph joined in because I hurt his feelings.

If you want to boil it down to your summary of what you believe your main point to be: I agree. I dislike Broken Matt. I am going to talk about it. It sucks and is the worst thing on WWE TV at the moment. Are you happy? Because that started this whole thing in the first place. Or are you going to betray that it is about more than that? Or is that me being a dick because I don't agree with the people who like it?

Come on, screech. Explain to me how me disliking it is me being a dick to people. Or maybe you'd just prefer to try and sling around the word "cunt" like it means anything to Australians? I'm still waiting for you to turn up that evidence of me actually insulting you or anyone, for that matter, for enjoying it. Belittling the enjoyment? I can see how that gets murky, but I think some things in bad taste should be called out for them. Enjoy them all you want, but you should understand how it gets problematic. I can't, or wouldn't, take away anyone's personal enjoyment of something -- it's not my place or within my power -- but I will challenge the validity of those stakes. There's nothing wrong with that, as you just agreed.

[screech]

Holy shit. I really don't think you can comprehend what words mean, but I don't know how to make this any clearer.

I have never said you can't have/express an opinion, and I'm not sure why you keep attributing that to me. My "logic" is you're being a dick to people who like the gimmick because you hate it (we all understand that), and it doesn't make sense to me why you're investing so much time bitching at people who enjoy what they're watching. That's it.

I have no idea why this is so difficult for you to grasp.

[Sepholio]

Noid is just being a tool. A long-winded tool. Let us just thank the lord that Droford posts aren't as unnecessarily long as Noid posts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy shit. I really don't think you can comprehend what words mean, but I don't know how to make this any clearer.

I have never said you can't have/express an opinion, and I'm not sure why you keep attributing that to me. My "logic" is you're being a dick to people who like the gimmick because you hate it (we all understand that), and it doesn't make sense to me why you're investing so much time bitching at people who enjoy what they're watching. That's it.

I have no idea why this is so difficult for you to grasp.

But that's literally what I just responded to (which is what you say I ignore). Why are you even making it a thing if I'm just expressing an opinion? You're saying "A is fine; just not B." Then I do A and you say "Don't do B." If your whole thing is that you just think I'm a dick, that's fine, but again, I appeal to you: Where have I done B and not A? Do I need to stop at saying "Nah, not for me?" Is it a dick thing when you explain why it's not and why it's bad?

The only conclusion I can draw is that you get to decide what makes a dick, and I'm fine being a dick, but I think it makes you a dick if you think you get to decide that, which is what my point has been the entire time, and why it bothers me when you say things like I'm "talking down" or on a "high horse." You have to be to have the point you have, and it's that god damn irony that bothers me most, because I'm fairly certain you're the biggest dick in this thread. You're the only person that can be demonstrably proven to have a opinion that they think trumps everyone else's. I'll contest mine against others, but you actually think yours is better.

It's so fucking annoying and the only reason I'm engaging with you so much is because that kind of ego is like a pimple that just won't pop, haha. It's seriously one of my most despised qualities in people. Like when someone says "Such and such is so selfish for not coming to my birthday." The irony -- it's that fucking irony.

[Sepholio]

Pussy

[Mr. Nerfect]

Pussy

This is Team screech, ladies and gentlemen. It started off as "Why do you come in here and criticize people's opinions?" Because it started off not being fine to criticize opinions. Then, you'll notice, screech shifted the goal-posts to be about me being a dick to people. He introduced this by saying something like "It feels like you're being a dick," and stuff like "it feels just short of you calling me a moron." Then it became I am actually apparently doing those things, and that what I was originally doing is actually completely fine. Now it's people actually acting like dicks trying to tell me that I'm a dick.

For clarification: Seph is upset I neg-repped him again for his passive aggressive post saying "Lol, stop being a sook." Because he's being a sook. I'm at least arguing a point, Seph. If you've got something smart to say -- say it. If not -- lol, stop being a sook.

[Evil Vito]

I mostly just get my jollies from people getting so worked up over a gimmick. I mean I dig the Broken stuff personally, but I can see why others wouldn't. Just the fact that it's so polarizing is amusing to me.

If I didn't like it, I wouldn't be afraid to say I thought it fucking sucked, but I don't think it'd "take me out" of the programming or whatever. Then again I've personally just always preferred the variety show approach to wrestling. I liked Total Nonstop Deletion as a one-off episode but in general I'd never want the entirety of Raw to be about one thing. But as a character getting one segment a week? Yeah, I'm cool with that.

I've just always liked having something for everybody. And if someone was on I didn't give a shit about, I'd just shrug, do something else and wait for the next segment.

[screech]

But that's literally what I just responded to (which is what you say I ignore). Why are you even making it a thing if I'm just expressing an opinion? You're saying "A is fine; just not B." Then I do A and you say "Don't do B." If your whole thing is that you just think I'm a dick, that's fine, but again, I appeal to you: Where have I done B and not A? Do I need to stop at saying "Nah, not for me?" Is it a dick thing when you explain why it's not and why it's bad?

The only conclusion I can draw is that you get to decide what makes a dick, and I'm fine being a dick, but I think it makes you a dick if you think you get to decide that, which is what my point has been the entire time, and why it bothers me when you say things like I'm "talking down" or on a "high horse." You have to be to have the point you have, and it's that god damn irony that bothers me most, because I'm fairly certain you're the biggest dick in this thread. You're the only person that can be demonstrably proven to have a opinion that they think trumps everyone else's. I'll contest mine against others, but you actually think yours is better.

It's so fucking annoying and the only reason I'm engaging with you so much is because that kind of ego is like a pimple that just won't pop, haha. It's seriously one of my most despised qualities in people. Like when someone says "Such and such is so selfish for not coming to my birthday." The irony -- it's that fucking irony.

lol Jesus fucking Christ. You are making more of this than it is. There is no irony. I am not on a high horse. My opinion is not better than anyone else's (as much as you love to point out that "fact.")

You are shitting on everyone who enjoys this gimmick by explaining why you think it sucks. We all know you hate it, and we all know why.

People are allowed to enjoy things that you don't. You can hate something without responding to everyone who likes it with an essay on why it's "killing the business." It really isn't hard to understand.

This is either some really dedicated trolling, or you legitimately can't comprehend simple ideas.

[Sepholio]

This is Team screech, ladies and gentlemen. It started off as "Why do you come in here and criticize people's opinions?" Because it started off not being fine to criticize opinions. Then, you'll notice, screech shifted the goal-posts to be about me being a dick to people. He introduced this by saying something like "It feels like you're being a dick," and stuff like "it feels just short of you calling me a moron." Then it became I am actually apparently doing those things, and that what I was originally doing is actually completely fine. Now it's people actually acting like dicks trying to tell me that I'm a dick.

For clarification: Seph is upset I neg-repped him again for his passive aggressive post saying "Lol, stop being a sook." Because he's being a sook. I'm at least arguing a point, Seph. If you've got something smart to say -- say it. If not -- lol, stop being a sook.

I'm upset. LOL. Says the guy who keeps typing novels in response to me calling him a pussy because he neg repped me for not agreeing with him and siding with the guy owning his ass. Hey Noid. For clarification: I'm going to call you a pussy every time you neg rep me. Pussy.

[Sepholio]

I shall henceforth be eagerly awaiting your next essay explaining to us all again what we got on page 1.

[Simple Fan]

I mostly just get my jollies from people getting so worked up over a gimmick. I mean I dig the Broken stuff personally, but I can see why others wouldn't. Just the fact that it's so polarizing is amusing to me.

If I didn't like it, I wouldn't be afraid to say I thought it fucking sucked, but I don't think it'd "take me out" of the programming or whatever. Then again I've personally just always preferred the variety show approach to wrestling. I liked Total Nonstop Deletion as a one-off episode but in general I'd never want the entirety of Raw to be about one thing. But as a character getting one segment a week? Yeah, I'm cool with that.

I've just always liked having something for everybody. And if someone was on I didn't give a shit about, I'd just shrug, do something else and wait for the next segment.

If it wasn't any good then it would be just like anything else WWE or Impact has done that are just meh stories that deserve that shrug. The fact that its either liked or hated says alot. Similar to Roman Reigns and what CyNick likes to preach in that he gets a reaction. He's not wrong in that thought.

Noid thinks its bad for wrestling and I do understand his point a bit. I'm with you though as I've always enjoyed the variety aspect of pro wrestling. Off the wall but also grounded at the same time. It's entertainment now and everyone has a different views on what they see as entertainment and WWE tries to appeal to all. WWE doesn't need to go all in on it like Impact did and there is no need to but it has to have a bit more substance than just a laugh off to work. The back story of Sister Abigail has already done something for Wyatt and that's my hope is that Wyatt get something out of this.

[Fignuts]

I honestly don't think enough people are paying attention to wrestling for it to be negatively affected by this. Wrestling fans are the only ones who know about broken matt, and for the most part, they love him. It would be one thing if it was a portion of the hardcore fanbase that liked him, and he was turning off most viewers. But that's clearly not the case

I stated before that the appeal is tbat it is the wrestling gimmick equivalent to a B-movie. Also could make the comparison to adult swim. Just that bonkers randomness that appeals to certain people.

Can understand why some people don't like it, but I refuse to believe its contributing to the downfall of the business. Maybe the downfall of your personal ideals on what wrestling should be. But said ideals may not match up with what the general fanbase wants.

[screech]

I've just always liked having something for everybody. And if someone was on I didn't give a shit about, I'd just shrug, do something else and wait for the next segment.

And in a time when they literally cut RAW in half for Hulu, anything you don't like can be easily skipped. Sometimes they do it for you.

[Simple Fan]

Agree and I also don't think that wrestling is that much mainstream that it will be effected. I get Noids point that its not like realistic but Hardy sells it as such and creates these backstories which is what makes it great in my opinion. He doesn't treat it as just an act and uses his social media accounts to progress stories which is something WWE tries to do but are not very good at.

[Helmsphere]

I like Broken Matt Hardy, granted I do feel WWE will screw it up, They already kinda doing that, found that glass shattering Woken graphic to be stupid and annoying and really unneeded.

But Pro Wrestling is meant to suspend belief. It's made us believe Val Venis is hung like a Giraffe's neck. That you can actually assault people without getting arrested. So what if a dude believes that animals are incarninates of famous people. My E-Fed character believed he was a Super Saiyan, I don't see how it's hurting anything.

Granted if he becomes a unstoppable World Champion, then we might have time to complain.

[Simple Fan]

Granted if he becomes a unstoppable World Champion, then we might have time to complain.

I don't know, Broken Matt Hardy doing Today Show appearances like John Cena might be pretty entertaining.

[screech]

I don't know, Broken Matt Hardy doing Today Show appearances like John Cena might be pretty entertaining.

And the fan meltdowns would be hilarious.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Do not understand how Noid unironically makes 35 page posts about Broken Matt Hardy if he doesnt like him.

[screech]

Because he's allowed to have his opinions, Dale, and how dare you suggest otherwise.

[screech]

Just watched the second promo. May have been more campy (campier?) than the last one, and I can see why people who were excited are less so after it.

What they actually said was fine (I think their chemistry is good so far), but the graphics in between the cuts seemed a bit much. Made the laughing back and forth seem especially forced.

I liked the mooing after the golden calf line though haha

[OwenHartFan]

Noid is so overrated as a poster. The guy wouldn't know wrestling if wrestling whipped out its dick and slapped him in the face with it. Just a shite poster through and through. Rambles on and on about jack shit. Glad that people on here are finally starting to take notice of this shitstain on society.

[OwenHartFan]

For the record, I think Matt's Broken/Awoken shit is pretty fucken cool. One of the best things in wrestling in years. The fuck what gay retards like Noid think.

[Evil Vito]

I liked the mooing after the golden calf line though haha

lol it was such a creepy moo

Hopefully Matt makes good on his vows to ELEVATE THE ANTE next week

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Lol Noid is a good poster. He simply lacks the ability to let things go.

[screech]

lol it was such a creepy moo

Hopefully Matt makes good on his vows to ELEVATE THE ANTE next week

It was completely ridiculous lol, I can see how it could "take people out of it" though.

I'm actually interested to see what their match is going to be. But I'm not sure I can take more of those awkward graphic cuts with the laughter.

[Evil Vito]

Noid/CyNick was a great TPWWMania main event last year.

[Evil Vito]

It was completely ridiculous lol, I can see how it could "take people out of it" though.

I'm actually interested to see what their match is going to be. But I'm not sure I can take more of those awkward graphic cuts with the laughter.

Yeah, those transition graphics were terrible. Really don't know why they felt the need to do that. The first week the cuts were quick back and forth and it made it actually feel more like they were responding to each other.

I don't mind the characters laughing being just a small part of their schtick. Matt laughing at the end of a promo is fine with me. But awkwardly shoehorning it into every conversation between them would suck.

And you just KNOW they're gonna have a face to face laugh off at some point. Because WWE are kings of running things into the ground and setting them on fire.

[OwenHartFan]

The first Hardy/Wyatt promo was cool but then they pretty much did the exact same shit the next week.....just adding in those gay Awoken subheadings. WWE should just let Matt do his thing.

[screech]

Their face-to-face showdown will be laughter and flickering lights for a solid 6 minutes.

With a commercial break

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST ANNOUNCED: <a href="https://twitter.com/MATTHARDYBRAND?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MATTHARDYBRAND</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBrayWyatt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEBrayWyatt</a> to battle on the <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE205Live?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE205Live</a> Cruiserweight Tour! Tickets are on sale now! <a href="https://t.co/yDngeSZAUw">https://t.co/yDngeSZAUw</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/942561590729158656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Noted cruiserweight Bray Wyatt. At least Woken Matt may have been able to revert himself to 2003 Cruiserweight Champion form with a dip in the Lake of Reincarnation.

[Big Vic]

.....Wow..........wow.

[#1-norm-fan]

They should add like 6 matches featuring Reigns, Strowman, Samoa Joe, etc. to the Cruiserweight tour. And then subtract all but maybe 1 of the Cruiserweight matches.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I shall be working TIRELESSLY on these Eves. Not only must I DELETE the DASTARDLY <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBrayWyatt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEBrayWyatt</a> &amp; the HORRENDOUS <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SisterAbigail?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SisterAbigail</a>, I must also COUNSEL a MYRIAD of individuals who suffer from the POTENT Spot Monkey ADDICKKTION..<br><br>WONDERFUL! <a href="https://t.co/7t4SZmApJY">https://t.co/7t4SZmApJY</a></p>&mdash; #WOKEN Matt Hardy (@MATTHARDYBRAND) <a href="https://twitter.com/MATTHARDYBRAND/status/942581840065581056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[Evil Vito]

I'm disappointed that ticket sales for 205 Live were so bad that they already needed to add other attractions. These were not big arenas and they were in the northeast which tend to draw good crowds to pretty much everything. I've not seen an indy show in this area that didn't have a good turnout. If the sales were that bad for this three-show run, I'm not sure we'll be seeing another 205 Live tour anytime soon. And that's a shame because it's a talented roster and it would've given the guys some extra paydays. Right now there is usually only one cruiserweight match on Raw house shows and the rest of them just sit at home collecting dust on the weekends since they aren't booked for NXT house shows either.

That being said, I'm not surprised they turned to Matt to try to sell tickets for these three shows. Northeast crowds tend to be pretty smarky and it's a safe bet it'll be three crowds that will be into the gimmick. I could see an actual boost in sales.

[Anthony Hopkins]

I bet Roman Reigns could pin Matt Hardy!

[Emperor Smeat]

I'm disappointed that ticket sales for 205 Live were so bad that they already needed to add other attractions. These were not big arenas and they were in the northeast which tend to draw good crowds to pretty much everything. I've not seen an indy show in this area that didn't have a good turnout. If the sales were that bad for this three-show run, I'm not sure we'll be seeing another 205 Live tour anytime soon. And that's a shame because it's a talented roster and it would've given the guys some extra paydays. Right now there is usually only one cruiserweight match on Raw house shows and the rest of them just sit at home collecting dust on the weekends since they aren't booked for NXT house shows either.

That being said, I'm not surprised they turned to Matt to try to sell tickets for these three shows. Northeast crowds tend to be pretty smarky and it's a safe bet it'll be three crowds that will be into the gimmick. I could see an actual boost in sales.

WWE pretty much is paying for their terrible handling of the division basically since the start. The division has had some bright moments here and there but is just damaged goods at this point and needs some major rehauling on the creative side of things.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

https://youtu.be/5EVWbQ0kkiA

At least they're not tripling down on the laughing, but I feel this would have been better shot and edited from House Hardy.

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For their safety, I am unselfishly PROCURING the greatest SOULS in existence that are currently EMBEDDED within non-Homosapien VESSELS.<br><br>My Personal Zoo is a SANCTUARY for greats like Napoleon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan, George Washington &amp; Smokin' Joe Frazier, just to list a few.. <a href="https://t.co/BkEnrJqY9y">pic.twitter.com/BkEnrJqY9y</a></p>&mdash; #WOKEN Matt Hardy (@MATTHARDYBRAND) <a href="https://twitter.com/MATTHARDYBRAND/status/943231716105191424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Evil Vito]

Well after a promo last week that seemed organic and that Matt might've written it himself, it was right back to awkward forced laughing this week.

This character is dead in the water.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I honestly don't think enough people are paying attention to wrestling for it to be negatively affected by this. Wrestling fans are the only ones who know about broken matt, and for the most part, they love him. It would be one thing if it was a portion of the hardcore fanbase that liked him, and he was turning off most viewers. But that's clearly not the case

I stated before that the appeal is tbat it is the wrestling gimmick equivalent to a B-movie. Also could make the comparison to adult swim. Just that bonkers randomness that appeals to certain people.

Can understand why some people don't like it, but I refuse to believe its contributing to the downfall of the business. Maybe the downfall of your personal ideals on what wrestling should be. But said ideals may not match up with what the general fanbase wants.

This is a great post.

I agree with your first bit. I don't think it's actively going to chase people away. But I think for any attention it stirs up, the people you probably want to get in are going to say "This is dumb. How do people watch this?" That's all. Like, do we really need more fans with that ironic "appreciation" of wrestling but really don't get emotionally invested, because it's hokey and dumb. It gets really hard to have a good atmosphere when everyone just wants to come and laugh at the weird man.

They are only my personal ideals of wrestling, but I think there's a big problem with fandom in wrestling at the moment. They've chased away most of the casuals, and now they have a hardcore audience that wants to both dictate what they want, and when they get it, they want something else.

It's just depressing being a fan in that environment. You want to go and enjoy some good live music, because you like some of the bands, but then there is this person screeching and people throwing up onto your shoes. Maybe I'm just too old for this shit?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol Noid is a good poster. He simply lacks the ability to let things go.

I'll cop to the second part. Not sure about the first part though.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well after a promo last week that seemed organic and that Matt might've written it himself, it was right back to awkward forced laughing this week.

This character is dead in the water.

So that's the depth of this character in WWE now. He just laughs a lot. Well great.

[Fignuts]

This is a great post.

I agree with your first bit. I don't think it's actively going to chase people away. But I think for any attention it stirs up, the people you probably want to get in are going to say "This is dumb. How do people watch this?" That's all. Like, do we really need more fans with that ironic "appreciation" of wrestling but really don't get emotionally invested, because it's hokey and dumb. It gets really hard to have a good atmosphere when everyone just wants to come and laugh at the weird man.

They are only my personal ideals of wrestling, but I think there's a big problem with fandom in wrestling at the moment. They've chased away most of the casuals, and now they have a hardcore audience that wants to both dictate what they want, and when they get it, they want something else.

It's just depressing being a fan in that environment. You want to go and enjoy some good live music, because you like some of the bands, but then there is this person screeching and people throwing up onto your shoes. Maybe I'm just too old for this shit?

What if they come for the whacky Matt Randomness, and end up staying for the really meaningful stuff?

I have quite a few friends who became fans for the superficial stuff, or for one angle that appealed to them at the time, but quickly learned and came to understand how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Now I talk to those same friends about okada's storytelling or lucha undergrounds long term booking. Topics that may as well have been a foreign language to them when they came in for whatever nonsense attracted them at the time.

[Fignuts]

So that's the depth of this character in WWE now. He just laughs a lot. Well great.

It was one week.

Tranquillo

[Mr. Nerfect]

What if they come for the whacky Matt Randomness, and end up staying for the really meaningful stuff?

I have quite a few friends who became fans for the superficial stuff, or for one angle that appealed to them at the time, but quickly learned and came to understand how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Now I talk to those same friends about okada's storytelling or lucha undergrounds long term booking. Topics that may as well have been a foreign language to them when they came in for whatever nonsense attracted them at the time.

It's a fair point. I just don't really think it's going to pan out that way. I think it's cutting off your nose to spite your face a bit. But feel free to disagree.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

It was one week.

Tranquillo

Well, 3 out of 4 weeks so far.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah. It's been multiple weeks.

[#1-norm-fan]

And did they actually do the "woken" glass shattering cutaway live or was that just added into the Youtube clip? Either way... What the fuck.

[Evil Vito]

Well, 3 out of 4 weeks so far.

Bingo. The first week was whatever, because it was the first time the character had been seen and the back and forth laughing was kinda funny because it was unexpected.

Then WWE decided that it was the most important thing about the character and that nobody will believe he's crazy if he doesn't laugh all the time.

Dude's laughed more in a month than he did during his entire TNA run.

[Evil Vito]

And did they actually do the "woken" glass shattering cutaway live or was that just added into the Youtube clip? Either way... What the fuck.

They did the cutaway live. Then went right to a Cesaro and Sheamus backstage segment which the crowd paid zero attention to because they were chanting DELETE at Hardy who was still in the ring.

Half expected Chicago to boo once they realized they weren't getting a real promo.

[Mr. Pierre]

Something tells me that they only want this to get "over" to a certain (lower) level - but maybe I'm imagining things :| :'(

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Something tells me that they only want this to get "over" to a certain (lower) level - but maybe I'm imagining things :| :'(

Nah, I'd call incompetence over malice when you look at the rest of the show.

[Droford]

There's no way hardy has any say in what he's doing cause this just reeks of what some moron writer that never saw the broken stuff thinks it would be

[Simple Fan]

Wow really thought they would do something with them being in the ring but it was just more laughing. WWE really has no idea how to do the character. It's like Matt Hardy has overdosed on laughing gas.