NJPW New Beginning Tour Thread

[#BROKEN Hasney]

New Japan Pro Wrestling announced the cards for the New Beginnings tour for this month and it looks like a cracker, especially the final Osaka show. Highlights of the headlines are below, along with links to the full card for each night.

<strong>The New Beginning in Sapporo 2018 (Day 1)</strong>
January 27 (English Commentary Available) @ Hokkaido Prefectural Sports Center, Sapporo

Katsuya Kitamura 7-Match Proving Series (Match 2): Katsuya Kitamura vs. Michael Elgin
NEVER Openweight 6-Man Tag Team Championship Match: Bad Luck Fale & Guerrillas of Destiny (c) vs. Togi Makabe, Toa Henare & Ryusuke Taguchi
Jay White & Roppongi 3K vs. The Elite (Omega & Young Bucks)
IWGP Intercontinental Championship Match: Hiroshi Tanahashi (c) vs. Minoru Suzuki
<a href="http://www.njpw.co.jp/tornament/117878?showCards=1">View Full Card</a>

<strong>The New Beginning in Sapporo 2018 (Day 2)</strong>
January 28 (English Commentary Available) @ Hokkaido Prefectural Sports Center, Sapporo

Katsuya Kitamura 7-Match Proving Series (Match 4): Katsuya Kitamura vs. Hiroyoshi Tenzan
David Finlay vs. Jay White
Ten Man Elimination Tag: CHAOS (Okada/Goto/YOSHI-HASHI/Ospreay/Gedo) vs. Los Ingobernables de Japon (Naito/EVIL/SANADA/BUSHI/Hiromu)
<a href="http://www.njpw.co.jp/tornament/117887?showCards=1">View Full Card</a>

<strong>Road to The New Beginning 2018</strong>
February 6 @ Korakuen Hall, Tokyo

Katsuya Kitamura 7-Match Proving Series (Match 5): Katsuya Kitamura vs. Satoshi Kojima
IWGP Tag Team Championship: SANADA & EVIL (c) vs. Kazuchika Okada & Hirooki Goto
<a href="http://www.njpw.co.jp/tornament/117888?showCards=1">View Full Card</a>

<strong>The New Beginning in Osaka 2018</strong>
February 10 (English Commentary Available) @ EDION Arena, Osaka

Katsuya Kitamura 7-Match Proving Series (Match 6): Katsuya Kitamura vs. Yuji Nagata
Gedo vs. BUSHI
Tetsuya Naito vs. YOSHI-HASHI
IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship: Will Ospreay (c) vs. Hiromu Takahashi
NEVER Openweight Championship: Hirooki Goto (c) vs. EVIL
IWGP Heavyweight Championship: Kazuchika Okada (c) vs. SANADA
<a href="http://www.njpw.co.jp/tornament/117890?showCards=1">View Full Card</a>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Pretty good stuff. I'm curious to see how things really work out between Okada and Sanada.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I've also got no clue whether or not Tanahashi will drop the belt, because he's apparently advertised for ROH's WrestleMania weekend shows.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I've also got no clue whether or not Tanahashi will drop the belt, because he's apparently advertised for ROH's WrestleMania weekend shows.

My god. take some time off and heal, you crazy ace bastard.

[Fignuts]

I've been all in on Sanada since he reinvented himself and joined LIJ. Okada match should be great.

[Fignuts]

Wasn't Tanahashi supposed to get surgery like a fucking year ago?

[Fignuts]

I think creature is a njpw fan now.

[Evil Vito]

Hopefully this will be the last tour for shitbag Elgin.

[DaveWadding]

My god. take some time off and heal, you crazy ace bastard.

GO (heal) ACE

[Evil Vito]

Sounds like CMLL are taking Kawato with them after the tour to begin his excursion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hopefully this will be the last tour for shitbag Elgin.

Yeah, I hope he loses. People expect Kanemura to lose a lot of his trial series matches. That's usually the thing, yeah? I can see Tenzan and Kojima winning theirs, but I kind of think they're strapping a rocket onto this guy. But that might be what this trial series, in general, is. I expect big, big things from Kanemura though.

Sanada is, in my opinion, going to be one of their top guys very, very soon. That sounds daft, but I think it will be bigger than people think and sooner than people think.

[Ultra Mantis]

You mean Kitamura? Kanemaru is an older guy from Suzuki-Gun.

I'd expect him to beat Elgin pretty emphatically and go over at least one of the New Japan Dads, Tenzan doesn't really work singles matches anymore so he'd be most likely to take a loss. Cozy and Nagata could go either way.

SANADA is great, his original LIJ look was so much cooler though.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

You mean Kitamura? Kanemaru is an older guy from Suzuki-Gun.

I'd expect him to beat Elgin pretty emphatically and go over at least one of the New Japan Dads, Tenzan doesn't really work singles matches anymore so he'd be most likely to take a loss. Cozy and Nagata could go either way.

SANADA is great, his original LIJ look was so much cooler though.

https://pm1.narvii.com/6517/7543e6e32af36a8b2752f3190bff76f7b9202b79_hq.jpg

Yeah, I did. I just remembered the "mura" part. Actually never heard of Kanemura, I just pulled out a Japanese surname that began with "K." My bad.

[Fignuts]

I like Sanadas current tights, but that weird horned mask isn't as cool as the skull and leather jacket.

[Evil Vito]

Are we gonna treat this as the New Japan thread or should we get one of those started formally?

[Evil Vito]

In any event.....

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Mr. White, that's not wise.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He's trying.

[Evil Vito]

I give him credit for trying. Just not sure there are many good reasons to get a permanent scarfication.

[Fignuts]

Jesus.

Also, there already is a general new japan thread

somewhere

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm sure he's cool with it, or else he wouldn't have done it.

[Tom Guycott]

I give him credit for trying. Just not sure there are many good reasons to get a permanent scarfication.

Maybe he's trying to land in the DC Movieverse as Zsasz.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Are we gonna treat this as the New Japan thread or should we get one of those started formally?

That's about, but there's enough of us now where we can just have threads for major goings on, or for stuff like Jay scarring himself, 100,001 replies or just wherever would work fine.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Not digging the Rumble so much, but between the first two days of this and NXT, it's going to be a great weekend.

[Fignuts]

Jesus, so much wrestling this weekend. Between all this and DB Fighterz I'm gonna be neck bearding til monday.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

https://i.imgur.com/HgBjwyl.jpg
Derp face

[Evil Vito]

Day 1 tomorrow morning
Takeover tomorrow night
Day 2 Sunday morning
Rumble Sunday night

If it was any other WWE PPV I'd probably just not bother but the Rumble's one of the few things I still want to watch live even if it isn't good.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Just going to see how tired I am Saturday since Takeover will finish at 3am and then day 2 of New Beginning will be only a couple of hours later. So I'll only watch one live.

Rumble I'll watch while working on Monday.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Really shouldn't have been drinking last night, but I'm up. I'm up godammit.

No way am I making it to Takeover tonight.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Looks like someone else is a little tranquilo

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

Great hype video, and here comes the Kitamura in his proving series.

Hope he beats Big Cunt Mike

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Big Mike feeling it like he just told someone to suck his dick or stop talking

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Booo Elgin

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yessss, always love it when Taichi gets his entrance

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Lyger, Tiger Mask and Kushida are a helluva team.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

That Kushida/Taka segment in this match was fantastic. I want a proper match.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Kushida makes Taka tap. Kevin Kelly calls it as triumphing over eeeeviiiiilll, which made me laugh.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The Tokyo Pimp coming out without the bunny. Fuck this.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yano and Ishii seem like they should be a great odd couple team.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Damn, Tama Tonga has a submission finisher too now

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Marty, Cody and Hangman Page are kind of the elite 2

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

Oh, Cody, Marty and Page are the handsome devils of the Bullet Club

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Cody just started saying that Kenny Omega is the leader of the Bullet Club. God bless the United States of America and god bless Kenny Omega.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Hahaha Naito just spat at Don't missed and hit the lady behind him

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Good way to put some story into Naito V Yoshi-Hashi. Since people were asking why have that match, Naito also thinks he's below him and ignores him even attacking him, Yoshi Hashi snaps and beats Naito up and even spits on him.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Very much a one match show, but fuck, what a goddamn match it was.

Now go heal up for the love of god Tanahashi. And yay, Suzuki IC!

[#BROKEN Hasney]

IC title match winners promo

"Hey Tanahashi, what were you saying before the match? You wanted me to bring some fun to this match? Don't make me laugh, you bastard. You may have created a miracle, saving New Japan from going out of business, but that miracle will never happen again. If you ever find strength to stand up again, I'll be there to break you again. You'd better be prepared for that. The only thing that matters is POWER. And you, you wrestling fans of Sapporo, stop applauding like idiots. You guys on commentary, probably yammering that this was some 'great' match. I enjoyed destroying your knee and your ankle. The sounds they made when I was breaking them was like a symphony to my ears. Smush smush. Crack crack. You guys wouldn't know what that would sound like. Only people who have gotten in a ring know have ever experienced something like that. Tanahashi will never wrestle again. This ring is for wrestlers only. We are Suzuki-gun...ICHIBAN."

What a fucking heel.

[Innovator]

The Tokyo Pimp coming out without the bunny. Fuck this.

Forever Mao

[Jordan]

I want to see Jericho vs Suzuki

[Evil Vito]

Main event fucking ruled.

[Emperor Smeat]

Got around to watching today's show and Okada developing more of an arrogant and heelish vibe to his character has been pretty interesting.

Suzuki-Tanahashi IC title match was really amazing.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Day 2 spoilers

Kenny may have lost the belt, but

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I'M NOT CRYING YOU'RE CRYING FUCK YOU

[#BROKEN Hasney]

What a beautiful weekend of wrestling so far. I'm almost positive on the Rumble right now.

[Evil Vito]

Be still my beating heart :heart:

[hb2k]

The closing scene of Day 2 was so tremendous. Not sure if I agree with the outcome of the main event, but that's a whole other issue...

[Jordan]

I actually liked the way Jay went over, it was a solid finishing sequence. Really good match too. The final scene was also really nice and a great step forward for Kenny and Kota.

[Evil Vito]

Not sure if I agree with the outcome of the main event, but that's a whole other issue...

I actually think it's a good idea.

Given the story that's been told, I don't think Kenny/Cody really needs the US Title on the line. Cody's been questioning Kenny's leadership for pretty much the entire time he's been in Bullet Club and he challenged Ibushi for Wrestle Kingdom seemingly just to get under Kenny's skin.

Maybe their eventual match will be tied with a loser leaves the Bullet Club stip. A lot of people are taking this angle as Kenny's already been booted out but if that were the case I think they all would've partook in beating down Kenny. I actually thought that's what was coming when Kenny shoved down Matt Jackson.

As it was though only Hangman Page seemed like he was actively siding with Cody, helping to hold him up for the chair attack. The Bucks seemed annoyed at Kenny in the moment but mostly just wanted Kenny and Cody to sort their shit, and Marty Scurll was actively trying to play peacemaker the whole time.

I'd have to guess Marty and the Bucks will formally turn on Kenny before long. Losing Marty and the Bucks would pretty much kill Bullet Club and seeing how much Bullet Club merch those guys are still selling, I can't see that happening.

Kenny will get a new line of merch for Hot Topic and it'll work out. He'll have a few big tag matches with Ibushi, and for multi-man tags he'll probably get teamed with the Taguchi Japan guys since that's pretty much just an open door "stable" for people not affiliated with the four main groups.

As for Jay White, I'm guessing Hangman will be his first challenger. Hangman's not really done anything other than tag matches in New Japan as best I can tell, but if he's gonna be in "The Elite" portion of the stable it'd be best to get him some exposure in singles matches.

[Fignuts]

The closing scene of Day 2 was so tremendous. Not sure if I agree with the outcome of the main event, but that's a whole other issue...


If you would have told me before the event that Jay was going over, I would have had reservations on whether it was a good idea, but he totally won me over with that performance. If he continues to deliver like that, then he's worthy of dethroning Omega.

Also, god damn, at that closing angle. Isn't long term booking a god damn beautiful fucking thing?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

If you would have told me before the event that Jay was going over, I would have had reservations on whether it was a good idea, but he totally won me over with that performance. If he continues to deliver like that, then he's worthy of dethroning Omega.

Also, god damn, at that closing angle. Isn't long term booking a god damn beautiful fucking thing?



Totally agree on all this.

Any man who hits Tazzmissionplexes has my love. And that counter into Blade runner out of the OWA was beautiful

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I didn't catch that Ibushi was crying actual tears when I was watching live.

What a beautiful man.

https://i.imgur.com/MAlx8xr.gif

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[Emperor Smeat]

Seems Tanahashi might finally get the rest time he desperately needs since Observer reported NJPW is currently considering having him out till the G1.

[Jordan]

Wow Golden Lovers? That sounds pretty.......

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Wow Golden Lovers? That sounds pretty.......

Their finisher was the Golden Shower

https://78.media.tumblr.com/44c4bea79a4ba2fe353f81439aa368ae/tumblr_inline_p3absig6Nq1qhy1r2_400.gif

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Kinda love how we get storyline through this

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Also Ibushi's fashion is on point

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUvkTwuVoAEwwV5.jpg:large

[Fignuts]

Fuck yeah, Bullet Club Wolfpac.

Feel like the Tongans are already their own faction. Wonder where they'll fit in with all this.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I'm not fully sure what's going to happen. Hangman and Cody could leave, or Kenny could be kicked out with maybe one or more of the other guys, or GoD and Fale could just take this over.

I love how they're playing this storyline. I wonder how much involvement Gedo and Jado have in it, because they clearly have to be clued in.

[Fignuts]

I mean I've said for a while that I'd like to see the Tongans and Fale break off and form their own faction. They've always had their own unique vibe.

And it's time for Tama to step up. He proved in the G1 he's got the chops to be a serious singles contender. I would start him off with dethroning Goto somewhere down the line.

[Evil Vito]

I love how they're playing this storyline. I wonder how much involvement Gedo and Jado have in it, because they clearly have to be clued in.

I can't remember if it was Kenny or Cody who said it first - but apparently the first sign of tension between the two of them (when Kenny won the US Title I believe) was something they did on their own. And they did it just to give Gedo something to work with if he ever decided it was time to split up the Club or move Kenny onto something else since they could see a major face push in the offing.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I can't remember if it was Kenny or Cody who said it first - but apparently the first sign of tension between the two of them (when Kenny won the US Title I believe) was something they did on their own. And they did it just to give Gedo something to work with if he ever decided it was time to split up the Club or move Kenny onto something else since they could see a major face push in the offing.

Oh, neat. I'm guessing at this point he's laid out what the plans are to them all going forward and they're just filling in the gaps.

[Evil Vito]

I mean I've said for a while that I'd like to see the Tongans and Fale break off and form their own faction. They've always had their own unique vibe.

And it's time for Tama to step up. He proved in the G1 he's got the chops to be a serious singles contender. I would start him off with dethroning Goto somewhere down the line.

Yeah, I didn't watch the post-show stuff but apparently Tama said he can see where things are going and if club leadership fragments again he's not going to bother taking orders from anyone else. So it sure looks like there will be some sort of divide.

[Evil Vito]

During the G1 press conference, Tama went on an impassioned speech about how important Bullet Club is and you could see Kenny behind him almost being like "jesus dude, I'm the leader and not even I care about the group this much"

Which neatly played into Kenny and Tama's match

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jay White as the US Champion is interesting. I suppose he needed something.

[Evil Vito]

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That ending :eek:

[Volare]

Elite vs BC. Cody vs Omega.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[Simple Fan]

Latest episode of Being the Elite hinted at Cody vs Kenny Omega at Suoercard of Honor. Nick Jackson had a PREMONITION.

25WMBgyRxf0

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Marty Scurll is amazing and I think Cody is auditioning to be a boss in Yakuza 7 with this look.

[Simple Fan]

He's doing some filming for something that requires it according to his twitter. Says he'll change it back once filming wraps but he's starting to like it.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Its not just the hair, but that combined with the big fur jacket and the cigars

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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This is the best stable split ever

[Evil Vito]

Pro Wrestling Tees is not taking the Bullet Club split well (https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/7uu2cf/when_the_owner_of_pro_wrestling_tees_found_out/)

[#BROKEN Hasney]

lol, that has to be staged. He could make even more if there were 2 or 3 popular groups.

[Simple Fan]

Really digging it to. Tama really should be the next leader of Bullet Club and he's ready. Should also crash the Cody/Kenny Supercard of Honor match and just fuck shit up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Am I the only one who doesn't care for all this Bullet Club shit? I guess you have to do it to change the groups, but it's not very interesting.

[Evil Vito]

Noid isn't interested in something related to modern wrestling. News at 11.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's a gross misrepresentation of my point for convenience, but suit yourself. I am extremely interested in where Minoru Suzuki goes, for example. I'm interested in the development of The Velveteen Dream. And I am actually kind of excited about WrestleMania this year. I just don't find Kenny Omega vs. Cody Rhodes that bloody exciting, because one feels like a goof and the other a geek.

[Evil Vito]

I can't imagine why you'd wouldn't be able to take Kenny Omega seriously. I guess you must find him corny.

[Evil Vito]

You do have me now imagining a Suzuki vs Dream match and now though, god damn talk about a personality clash.

[Simple Fan]

Am I the only one who doesn't care for all this Bullet Club shit? I guess you have to do it to change the groups, but it's not very interesting.

What about Tama? I'll give you the Kenny/Cody stuff as its seemed like a given since Cody joined but Tama's development and rise is the most interesting part of this split to me.

[Evil Vito]

Tama's really underrated and he and Fale are the only two true Bullet Club originals left. If the Tongans do fraction off into their own group it'd kinda be a shame if they couldn't take the Bullet Club name with them.

My gut instinct is still that the Bucks and Scurll turn on Kenny at Supercard and they, Cody, and Hangman would formally continue on as The Elite with or without the rest of Bullet Club. But we'll see.

[Emperor Smeat]

Bullet Club splitting into The Elite and Bullet Club Lite makes a lot of sense. If they split along the current ROH and NJPW lines, its almost an even split in members.

In terms of merch power, BC takes a huge but could potentially offset those losses with The Elite.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can't imagine why you'd wouldn't be able to take Kenny Omega seriously. I guess you must find him corny.

It's his facial expressions. He's such a bad actor, haha. It's off-putting and weird. Takes me out, and part of the job is to draw people in, so he doesn't do it for me. He's great at other things, but he's just not the complete package for me.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What about Tama? I'll give you the Kenny/Cody stuff as its seemed like a given since Cody joined but Tama's development and rise is the most interesting part of this split to me.

I haven't seen enough of him to comment. Recommend any good Tama matches?

[Moose Knuckle]

His match against Kenny Omega in the G1 climax was great.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'll go check it out at some point in the next few days.

[Simple Fan]

Just check out as much of the G1 that you can. I thought Tama had good matches against everyone but Yano.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

https://i.imgur.com/x2JUwZH.png

Woah! Language!

[#BROKEN Hasney]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">See, now this is what it's all about... a couple of good pals like <a href="https://twitter.com/WillOspreay?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WillOspreay</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/TIMEBOMB1105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TIMEBOMB1105</a> getting together and sharing some tasty chicken. ��█<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/njnbg?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#njnbg</a><br><br>➡️ <a href="https://t.co/8n90d75Nfk">https://t.co/8n90d75Nfk</a> <a href="https://t.co/SCzm5q6Hgu">pic.twitter.com/SCzm5q6Hgu</a></p>&mdash; TDE Wrestling (@totaldivaseps) <a href="https://twitter.com/totaldivaseps/status/961388872964993024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[#BROKEN Hasney]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The perfect response to a blatantly disrespectful question... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/njnbg?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#njnbg</a> <a href="https://t.co/PJolLAy0w5">pic.twitter.com/PJolLAy0w5</a></p>&mdash; Jude Kilgour (@judekilgour) <a href="https://twitter.com/judekilgour/status/961741599104479243?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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This is my favourite rivalry of all time. I'm in tears.

[Ultra Mantis]

Hiromu is incredible, probably my favourite guy right now.

The rest of the conference was pretty good too. Goto doing a downbeat dad routine, seemingly just playing along with EVIL's Darkness Hour bullshit in the most disinterested way possible. SANADA looking and sounding like a top guy. Hiromu absolutely ran away with it though, so good.

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">lmao naito &amp; SANADA told tokyo sports to leave their restaurant table so they could have a private discussion and when they came back they were stuck with the check <a href="https://t.co/r4hIDPRQ0B">pic.twitter.com/r4hIDPRQ0B</a></p>&mdash; johnは男性が悪いと言います (@toshanshuinLA) <a href="https://twitter.com/toshanshuinLA/status/961996151640739840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Ultra Mantis]

Seems like that's a running gag with Tokyo Sports, LIJ always find a way to run out on the bill and SANADA is always ten minutes late for an arbitrary reason.

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: at Sukuzi beating the crap out of one of the young lions who caused him to trip off the ramp.

Gave one of the young lion guys his traditional post-match attack but quickly lost his balance and stumbled off the ramp. Then beat the guy even more for the embarrassment it caused.

[Emperor Smeat]

:eek:

Rey Mysterio vs Jushin Thunder Liger announced for the Long Beach show next month.

[Emperor Smeat]

Newest thing to add to the list of weird stuff I've seen in wrestling:
* A real cat narrating a hype video for a wrestling match (Ospreay vs. Takahashi)

NJPW needs to do that for every big Takahashi match from now on.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Holy shit, that main event was brilliant. Sanada looked better than he ever has.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Osprey Vs. Takahashi was a little underwhelming, but Suzuki and that main by made up for it.

[Droford]

:eek:

Rey Mysterio vs Jushin Thunder Liger announced for the Long Beach show next month.


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[Moose Knuckle]

Haven't seen it yet but glad to hear SANADA had a great showing, he's gonna be huge in 2 or 3 years, maybe less.

[Moose Knuckle]

Even more happy to hear Okada is still champion. He's had one of the most enjoyable title reigns ever. Right up there with anything Kobashi, Misawa, Flair, HBK,
or Bret Hart did.

[mike adamle]

I hope Shibata comes back, I miss him.

[Simple Fan]

Watched Naito vs Yoshi Hashi and Okada vs Sanada and both were good. Really like to progression of Sanada since his Tim in TNA. He had alot better run in TNA than Okada but is so much better now.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MiSu didn't come all this way to not obliterate at least one person here tonight. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/njnbg?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#njnbg</a><br><br>➡️ <a href="https://t.co/8n90d75Nfk">https://t.co/8n90d75Nfk</a> <a href="https://t.co/fB8PC6A1FD">pic.twitter.com/fB8PC6A1FD</a></p>&mdash; TDE Wrestling (@totaldivaseps) <a href="https://twitter.com/totaldivaseps/status/962249430610141185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[mike adamle]

So who's next for okada?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

So who's next for okada?

Ospreay apparently. That should be a fun match.

[mike adamle]

Damn, would be crazy if Ospreay could manage to win this thing

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I don't understand how Okada has this power for people to think he will be beaten in the superCena mode he's currently in. I'm guilty of it too, he has a way of making his opponent look like a million bucks while winning so I thought Sanada might actually pull it off. Ospreay won't win either... But in the match, it'll seem like he could.

Still, I'm glad that NJPW is blurring the Junior and Heavyweight line more and more.

[mike adamle]

I don't see it happening either but at this point I expect a very unexpected derailment.

[Vastardikai]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MiSu didn't come all this way to not obliterate at least one person here tonight. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/njnbg?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#njnbg</a><br><br>➡️ <a href="https://t.co/8n90d75Nfk">https://t.co/8n90d75Nfk</a> <a href="https://t.co/fB8PC6A1FD">pic.twitter.com/fB8PC6A1FD</a></p>&mdash; TDE Wrestling (@totaldivaseps) <a href="https://twitter.com/totaldivaseps/status/962249430610141185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Suzuki has the cat-like quality. Where, he falls, is like "I mean to do that," and keeps destroying.

[Moose Knuckle]

Okada-Ospreay sounds great. Glad they're continuing to blur the lines on the junior heavyweight/heavyweight divisions. Hope they move KUSHIDA up sometime soon.

[Fignuts]

Really been enjoying Being the Elite. Tempted to go back and watch all of them.

[Evil Vito]

There is way more storyline advancement and character development on Being the Elite than the average episode of Raw.

[Simple Fan]

Being The Elite has been pretty good. I started watching back in the summer and look forward to every episode now.

[Evil Vito]

Marty and the Bucks walked out on Cody and Hangman at the last ROH show

[Evil Vito]

Cody be like

https://i.imgflip.com/24pi3a.jpg

[Innovator]

SHUT UP BURY

[Evil Vito]

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:lol: Tama

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EVIL fractured his left orbital bone during the Australia tour. YOSHI-HASHI vs. SANADA is now a match for the 46th Anniversary Show. <a href="https://t.co/b8rzSMyMTB">https://t.co/b8rzSMyMTB</a></p>&mdash; Evan (@EvanDeadlySinsW) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDeadlySinsW/status/965802007813591040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Fignuts]

Tama is the coolest wrestler in Bullet Club.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Tama is the coolest wrestler in Bullet Club.

I mean, look at this motherfucker.

http://media.giphy.com/media/8lN3Ax9mTSi2pMP8D7/giphy.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm yet to see one gif or video of The Bullet Club that makes them look like anything other than geeks. Can anyone share something good?

[Fignuts]

No.

[mike adamle]

So you're judging everything by 3 second gifs instead of watching the actual show? Is that why you hate everything?

[KIRA]

Suzuki has the cat-like quality. Where, he falls, is like "I mean to do that," and keeps destroying.


Just walked up and killed that guy amazing:lol:

[Evil Vito]

Noid is too deeply entrenched in his opinion on Bullet Club to ever be objective about them.

[Evil Vito]

Cornette did a 14 minute review on Jericho vs. Omega. Spoiler alert: he thinks the match was only watchable because of Jericho. He then spent a good deal of the review by AGAIN complaining about Omega no-showing an ROH show and wrestling a child.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid is just going through a phase. It's common throughout puberty.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I think the bigger challenge is finding a Noid post without him looking like a geek

[Mr. Nerfect]

So you're judging everything by 3 second gifs instead of watching the actual show? Is that why you hate everything?

I'm judging them by the content I have seen. It has not encouraged me to seek out more content. That is the job of content. I know it's hard for simple minds to understand.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cornette did a 14 minute review on Jericho vs. Omega. Spoiler alert: he thinks the match was only watchable because of Jericho. He then spent a good deal of the review by AGAIN complaining about Omega no-showing an ROH show and wrestling a child.

Jericho did lead that match really hard.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid is too deeply entrenched in his opinion on Bullet Club to ever be objective about them.

Lol, challenge accepted. Show me something good and I'll give as objective an analysis of it as I can. It's possible you're just throwing shade because they're an overrated act. Subjectively, I don't like them because I find them self-indulgent and not very funny when they're obviously trying to be funny. Those are my tastes. But show me something that's got some meat. I tried to be open-minded about it, but you cunts get butt-hurt when people don't fall into line and mark out over their attempts to be memes.

[mike adamle]

I find them self-indulgent and not very funny when they're obviously trying to be funny.

Sounds like you.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If adamle gets any funnier, he'll be offered a job with DDT.

[mike adamle]

Would love a job with DDT. Would also cement the fact that I've done more in my life than Noid.

[mike adamle]

Not completely New Japan related but I just got tickets for Rev Pro in New Orleans on WrestleMania weekend. The main event:

http://www.revolutionprowrestling.com/tpl/uploads/thumbs/5a8a9d0c4dfdc_610x1_fill.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

Would love a job with DDT. Would also cement the fact that I've done more in my life than Noid.

You lean on that attempt at a slam a lot. I mean, it's obviously projection and it's quite sad you hate yourself that much, but I do wish you the best.

[Ultra Mantis]

Lol, challenge accepted. Show me something good and I'll give as objective an analysis of it as I can. It's possible you're just throwing shade because they're an overrated act. Subjectively, I don't like them because I find them self-indulgent and not very funny when they're obviously trying to be funny. Those are my tastes. But show me something that's got some meat. I tried to be open-minded about it, but you cunts get butt-hurt when people don't fall into line and mark out over their attempts to be memes.

Do it yourself, nobody gives a fuck about your opinion. Watch it or don't. Stop being a whiny bitch about things you haven't even seen.

[mike adamle]

Or just stop being a whiny bitch in general.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid suffers tragically from 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome. If you question his views, he merely doubles down.

[mike adamle]

Well when he isolates himself 24/7 with Jim Cornette podcasts as his only lifeline to the outside world those two opinions are the only ones that matter.

[Evil Vito]

Although he's easily influenced by Cornette, I certainly hope Noid doesn't attempt to eat a Wendy's triple cheeseburger while driving 70 MPH down the freeway.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Although he's easily influenced by Cornette, I certainly hope Noid doesn't attempt to eat a Wendy's triple cheeseburger while driving 70 MPH down the freeway.

I for one hope he does... and will gain immeasurable respect for him if he accomplishes said feat.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Fucks sake, shade thrown at DDT now. How low can Noid sink?

[Vastardikai]

Fucks sake, shade thrown at DDT now. How low can Noid sink?

I enjoy DDT in very small doses.

And Omega should be kissing Cornette's feet. More people hear about him through Jim than through his actual work.

I stand by the fact that Omega isn't the best wrestler in the world (AJ). OR IN New Japan (Naito). Or even in the Bullet Club (Cody or Scruill).

[mike adamle]

I'm judging them by the content I have seen. It has not encouraged me to seek out more content. That is the job of content. I know it's hard for simple minds to understand.

You asked and we told you to go watch Tama in the G1 which you said you would and haven't, instead you whine about a 3 second gif.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, boy, this is going to fun:

Do it yourself, nobody gives a fuck about your opinion. Watch it or don't. Stop being a whiny bitch about things you haven't even seen.

I've tried, and everything I've seen has been high school theater. I'm asking if there's something I'm obviously missing, because it's easy to judge someone's body of work by the stuff that gets the most air time, as opposed to some earlier stuff or better stuff, and most people have the common sense to be able to differentiate between what is actually really good and what they're just on the bandwagon of. "Listen to this artist's song if you're just getting into them," "Dude, everybody's seen that film, but you should really see them in this."

You don't give a fuck about my opinion, and that's cool, you speaking-for-everybody fuck. A lot of people around here still engage with me and have gone on record saying "Noid's a great poster." Joking aside, some people do care about my opinion, and even if they don't, I'm still allowed to share it and point out the irony of you calling someone a whiny bitch.

Also: I am talking about the things I have seen. I'm asking if I'm missing something really obvious. Turns out I'm probably not.

Noid suffers tragically from 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome. If you question his views, he merely doubles down.

This is actually quite off the mark. I love learning new things -- it's the only way to get smarter. I'm constantly asking Gertner about things, and I'm in here asking people to show me stuff. I constantly defer to the wisdom of great posters that occasionally come through this space.

Are you still butt-hurt because I called you on your shitty fence-sitting position in the other thread?

Dale: Anyone who doesn't like racist slogans is self-righteous.

Also Dale: I'm nuanced.

Yeah, mate -- I've got the syndrome.

Although he's easily influenced by Cornette, I certainly hope Noid doesn't attempt to eat a Wendy's triple cheeseburger while driving 70 MPH down the freeway.

Not easily influenced by Cornette at all. I had my guard up when I first listened to him, and his reasoning on most subjects has won me over. There are many things I don't agree with him on. I don't think Dolph Ziggler is the "perfect professional wrestler," for example. This is a straw-man, and when you defer the authority of mike adamle, you're already selling yourself short.

You asked and we told you to go watch Tama in the G1 which you said you would and haven't, instead you whine about a 3 second gif.

I'm talking about The Bullet Club as a whole, genius. I haven't gotten around to watching those Tama matches yet, but I will. Believe it or not, I've been busy, adamle. I'm not talking about Tama's singles work, I'm talking about The Bullet Club as a whole looking like geeks playing "let's start an improv group."

The irony of any of you labeling anyone a "whiny bitch" is hilarious. Dale gets sore when he's out of his depth, but at least has the sense to have fun. I can literally feel the hurt feelings of the rest of you though. Sorry for not thinking Cody is amazing for pretending to be a bad-ass and throw a chair across a room. Such skill. Such ferocity. And since you've asked me to form an opinion on what I've seen, I can conclusively say that The Bullet Club sucks.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I enjoy DDT in very small doses.

And Omega should be kissing Cornette's feet. More people hear about him through Jim than through his actual work.

I stand by the fact that Omega isn't the best wrestler in the world (AJ). OR IN New Japan (Naito). Or even in the Bullet Club (Cody or Scruill).

I enjoy DDT in gif format, but I'm happy it exists.

I very much doubt the Jim Cornette part. He's not in the top 40 sports podcasts so I'd probably guess not a huge amount of people want to listen to old men yelling at clouds..

As for the last part, I'd aree with AJ if we're talking body of work, but not last year. Not about Naito, his match with Okada cooled me a little bit and Cody has only had 2 good matches since he left and one of them was with Ibushi who is incredible. Love Scurll and I think he could be one of the top guys, but I think he needs that breakout 1 on 1 match to really show it in NJPW. Some of his PROGRESS stuff is great.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Actually, on Cornette: He gets more than 300,000 listeners a month, last I heard, so there's actually probably something to what 'Kai is saying there. I mean, if you can do basic math. 100,000 New Japan World subscribers worldwide. Omega's YouTube videos also only average about 100,000 people. They generally do better than Cornette's videos, but not when you factor in the podcast listens. Videos that have been up for years often have more views than Omega's content too.

But yes, Cornette isn't in the Top 40 sports podcasts, of which the only other wrestling shows are She Hates Wrestling and Steve Austin's. Your point being?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

When you get podcast stats, it's all raw, there's no user or session cookies in play so the listeners numbers are essentially raw downloads, so divide that bad boy by 3.5 for the weekly podcasts for the repeat listeners (there will be some uniqueness obviously) and we get to the number of individuals that listen.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Dale: Anyone who doesn't like racist slogans is self-righteous.

Also Dale: I'm nuanced.

Yeah, mate -- I've got the syndrome.





You are actually dumb as a bag of bricks if you think that's what I said. But good luck being a slacktivist I suppose. I shouldn't acknowledge this since you've mischaracterized what I've said since you're being an asshole RN but I'll humour you.

My point was that you can't ascribe someone's beliefs to racism if what they're saying is not explicitly racist. I mean you can pontificate, but that's all it is, a pontification.

I don't think it's a far stretch to believe Undertaker thinks one is insulting the troops and what the country stands for by not rising for the anthem. He is completely wrong, but he is free to be wrong.

And maybe he is racist. but given he has never said "I don't like black people" and that he has many black friends, it would be strange if he were a hateful bigot. You have no actual proof that he is though, other than your own biases towards someone thinking people should stand for the anthem. It is DANGEROUS to accuse people willy nilly of being racist because they hold certain, non-explicitly racist political views. If you're bandying that about, it is likely that you may be racist or suffer from some extreme form of white guilt, which I suggest you deal with and don't make us suffer through.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You are actually dumb as a bag of bricks if you think that's what I said. But good luck being a slacktivist I suppose. I shouldn't acknowledge this since you've mischaracterized what I've said since you're being an asshole RN but I'll humour you.

My point was that you can't ascribe someone's beliefs to racism if what they're saying is not explicitly racist. I mean you can pontificate, but that's all it is, a pontification.

I don't think it's a far stretch to believe Undertaker thinks one is insulting the troops and what the country stands for by not rising for the anthem. He is completely wrong, but he is free to be wrong.

And maybe he is racist. but given he has never said "I don't like black people" and that he has many black friend, it would be strange if he were a hateful bigot. You have no actual proof that he is though, other than your own biases towards someone thinking people should stand for the anthem. It is DANGEROUS to accuse people willy nilly of being racist because they hold certain, non-explicitly racist political views. If you're bandying that about, it is likely that you may be racist or suffer from some extreme form of white guilt, which I suggest you deal with and don't make us suffer through.

Your own quote, Dale. Your own quote. For future reference: If you need to express that something is "non-explicitly racist," then it's probably pretty racist. But I wouldn't expect you to get the nuance. ;)

"Some of my friends are black."

I didn't say he was a hateful bigot. You'd be a dumb bag of bricks if you think that's what I said. I said he wears racist slogans on his clothing. Marginalizing the plight of black people is racist, mate. You don't need to be a card-carrying member to be an ignorant piece of shit that makes people's lives worse. But yes, you're suffering through reading about it at your leisure.

And yes, anybody who points out racism is obviously racist themselves. Or a slacktivist. Wtf? Have you actually tried talking to black people about that out of curiosity? You kind of just ignored Shadrick's experiences in the 100,000 replies thread, but have you considered how uncomfortable it makes black people before you say "Nah, it's cool Taker's wrong about that, to hate it is biased and self-righteous"?

[Mr. Nerfect]

When you get podcast stats, it's all raw, there's no user or session cookies in play so the listeners numbers are essentially raw downloads, so divide that bad boy by 3.5 for the weekly podcasts for the repeat listeners (there will be some uniqueness obviously) and we get to the number of individuals that listen.

I'm fairly certain my friends who do podcast can get unique data. I mean, I haven't really looked into how that stuff works, but I wouldn't be surprised if you hadn't either. Even taking your assertion on how the stats work, and my number on Cornette's podcast, and there are barely more New Japan World subscribers than listeners to the podcast each week. Eep.

[Simple Fan]

So saying you stand for the flag is a racist slogan now?

[Mr. Nerfect]

So saying you stand for the flag is a racist slogan now?

Wearing a jumper that says "We stand for the national anthem," which is clearly intended as a dig at Colin Kaepernick protesting the murder of black people by police is definitely racist.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Imagine if someone shot your family, and your best recourse was to stand outside a courthouse and yell. Then you see someone wearing a t-shirt that says "We don't yell outside the courthouse." How would that make you feel? The only reason that jumper exists is because black people take a knee.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I didn't ignore Shadrick's experience. His friend explicitly said something racist to him. I don't think that's politics, I think that's flat out racism. Sure, he found it out through a political discussion, but saying "black people couldn't be president" isn't politics, it's racism being applied to politics.

And it's not a racist slogan. It's nationalistic, and bull-headed. It is likely used by racist people to hide their racism. But that is not its only motivation.

I get you're trying to score progressive points here, and trying to appeal to some form of morality. But I treat people as individuals. If I made a black person feel uncomfortable about something they are free to tell me, and I would likely hear them out and discuss it respectfully as I did with Shadrick. As human beings, we need to be able to talk about these things without calling people bigots for having opinions, provided they aren't participating in acts of hate.

In the end, Shad didn't agree with me. And that's fine. He's a cool guy and we had a very moderate disagreement, and I get why he feels the way he does. It's nice that you feel he needs your help and that you're a champion for the underprivileged but its people like you who are as bad as the other side... at least that's what I've come to learn.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Imagine if someone shot your family, and your best recourse was to stand outside a courthouse and yell. Then you see someone wearing a t-shirt that says "We don't yell outside the courthouse." How would that make you feel? The only reason that jumper exists is because black people take a knee.

False motherfucking equivalency to the highest degree.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Either way Noid, if you think I don't understand why a black person would detest that sweater, you're a fucking idiot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I didn't ignore Shadrick's experience. His friend explicitly said something racist to him. I don't think that's politics, I think that's flat out racism. Sure, he found it out through a political discussion, but saying "black people couldn't be president" isn't politics, it's racism being applied to politics.

And it's not a racist slogan. It's nationalistic, and bull-headed. It is likely used by racist people to hide their racism. But that is not its only motivation.

I get you're trying to score progressive points here, and trying to appeal to some form of morality. But I treat people as individuals. If I made a black person feel uncomfortable about something they are free to tell me, and I would likely hear them out and discuss it respectfully as I did with Shadrick. As human beings, we need to be able to talk about these things without calling people bigots for having opinions, provided they aren't participating in acts of hate.

In the end, Shad didn't agree with me. And that's fine. He's a cool guy and we had a very moderate disagreement, and I get why he feels the way he does. It's nice that you feel he needs your help and that you're a champion for the underprivileged but its people like you who are as bad as the other side... at least that's what I've come to learn.

:lol:

No, it's politics. You're just wrong. Racism, sexism, homophobia and all that are political. They pour into one's public belief system as to how things should be governed. That is politics. You don't get to switch that off just because it isn't convenient to your worldview. You accuse everyone else of bias and not being able to get past it, but you define what politics are in a completely biased way in order to start with your line of thinking in the first place. Ask a black person if they think someone saying that there shouldn't be a black President is political or not. Oh, they disagreed with you? Funny that.

I'm not trying to score points with anybody. Most of the guys on here are probably conservative or libertarian or something. I know it's a convenient gaslighting technique to say that someone is posturing or performing, but I'm literally saying the most unpopular shit I can say to a bunch of white dudes on the internet.

You love to say you talk, Dale, but I get the feeling you're the type of dude that someone will say "No, that literally makes me feel like shit and as a black person, it makes me feel very insecure about my race," and you'll just go "Well, see, the thing is...". It's gross, man. I've got no time for it anymore. You can throw whatever passive insults you want my way. I honestly don't care to impress fence-sitters like you. Just know this: It doesn't feel respectful to the people who have to deal with this shit every day -- I can guarantee you that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

False motherfucking equivalency to the highest degree.

Nah.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Once again, mischaracterizing me.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You know fuck all about me Noid. You don't know conversations I've had with people. I am very aware of systemic injustices and I strongly believe they exist. I simply believe your manner of discourse is pathetic.

What you've said about me is actually HIGHLY offensive on all fronts, but it's fine, you're free to be a giant asshole.

I throw passive insults because I doubt your integrity and your sincerity.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Either way Noid, if you think I don't understand why a black person would detest that sweater, you're a fucking idiot.

"And here's my thesis on why that is totally cool." :lol:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You have about as much depth as the shallow end of a kiddy pool.

[Simple Fan]

So saying you stand for the flag is a racist slogan now?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And guess what. as a white man, I'm likely to have a life experience that would lead me to saying some shit a POC would find uncomfortable. And as a POC, they'd likely have lived a life experience that'd lead them to saying some shit I found uncomfortable. It's call life, you fucking mouthbreathing twat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know fuck all about me Noid. You don't know conversations I've had with people. I am very aware of systemic injustices and I strongly believe they exist. I simply believe your manner of discourse is pathetic.

What you've said about me is actually HIGHLY offensive on all fronts, but it's fine, you're free to be a giant asshole.

I throw passive insults because I doubt your integrity and your sincerity.

And yet you feel comfortable calling me a slacktivist and implying I'm doing what I'm doing for...what? Points on a wrestling forum. Cool, bro. Turns out you can dish it but can't take it. Sorry for throwing that shade at you -- I hope you can then, in turn, empathize that you don't know fuck all about me and the shit I have had to put up with? I am fine calling a truce, just don't trivialize the experiences of black people about their experience with racism in front of me again, please. It "triggers" me, as you fence-sitting snowflakes like to say.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And guess what. as a white man, I'm likely to have a life experience that would lead me to saying some shit a POC would find uncomfortable. And as a POC, they'd likely have lived a life experience that'd lead them to saying some shit I found uncomfortable. It's call life, you fucking mouthbreathing twat.

The point is to learn and grow from it, and not just dig your heels in and claim "nuance." Being uncomfortable is an opportunity to become a better person, instead of just saying "It's cool to make people uncomfortable because that's life."

EDIT: Not a direct quote. But that seems to be your interpretation of life.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just listen to people of color, Dale. Please. When they get uncomfortable and go "Yeah, cool, man," consider that it may not have been interpreted as a respectful discourse, and it may have been someone feeling like they weren't being heard by a white dude. I'm not saying that is what happens in every situation, but just consider it next time, and consider how hegemonic you are being with your own biases and definitions. That's all.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I am fine calling a truce, just don't trivialize the experiences of black people about their experience with racism in front of me again, please. It "triggers" me, as you fence-sitting snowflakes like to say.


I can't base my life around not offending people dude. If I hurt Shadrick or upset him in anyway, it's unfortunate. But I'm not going to tread water around someone because I "don't know what to say".

I understand fully why he feels the way he does, but if he can't take my opinion on the matter, that's his own problem.

Unfortunately, with a quote like that we can have no truce. Because your trying to claim I'm a white privliged bigot essentially in your shitty way. And that doesn't fly with me.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Just listen to people of color, Dale. Please. When they get uncomfortable and go "Yeah, cool, man," consider that it may not have been interpreted as a respectful discourse, and it may have been someone feeling like they weren't being heard by a white dude. I'm not saying that is what happens in every situation, but just consider it next time, and consider how hegemonic you are being with your own biases and definitions. That's all.

This is the most patronizing, condescending bullshit I've ever read.

You don't think I talk to POCs you fucking moron?

[Simple Fan]

Imagine if someone shot your family, and your best recourse was to stand outside a courthouse and yell. Then you see someone wearing a t-shirt that says "We don't yell outside the courthouse." How would that make you feel? The only reason that jumper exists is because black people take a knee.

Why would my best resource be to stand out side a courthouse and yell? Thats just plain stupid. See that's the problem is people create these scenarios that don't help their cause at all. What does kneeling for an athem do to stop police brutality? Not a damn thing, these athletes have so much more they could do that would actually help but choose to kneel for a song.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Why would my best resource be to stand out side a courthouse and yell? Thats just plain stupid. See that's the problem is people create these scenarios that don't help their cause at all. What does kneeling for an athem do to stop police brutality? Not a damn thing, these athletes have so much more they could do that would actually help but choose to kneel for a song.

YOU BIGGOT.

[Simple Fan]

Also as a victim of police brutality(as a white guy) I fully support that cause but as I said kneeling for a song does nothing.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

As far as I'm concerned, players are totally within their right to kneel as a form of protest. Whether its effective or not is a different story.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can't base my life around not offending people dude. If I hurt Shadrick or upset him in anyway, it's unfortunate. But I'm not going to tread water around someone because I "don't know what to say".

I understand fully why he feels the way he does, but if he can't take my opinion on the matter, that's his own problem.

Unfortunately, with a quote like that we can have no truce. Because your trying to claim I'm a white privliged bigot essentially in your shitty way. And that doesn't fly with me.

I explicitly stated something that very contrary to your first sentence, somewhat embraces offending people as a learning curve, let alone assert anything that suggests you should base your life on not offending people. I mean, offending people shouldn't be your aim, if that's your point? Otherwise I've got no clue what you're trying to say here or how it is relevant, and I'll have to appeal to you to be able to explain that.

I'm not calling you a bigot, but your definition of politics implies privilege. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think the stuff you said about how you were received by Shad are pretty shitty, but it's not my job to speak for him. I think it's highly ironic that if your opinion upsets someone then it's their fault they take it that way, but when someone's opinion upsets you, it's their fault for making you feel that way.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is the most patronizing, condescending bullshit I've ever read.

You don't think I talk to POCs you fucking moron?

I didn't say that. I just implored you listen to them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why would my best resource be to stand out side a courthouse and yell? Thats just plain stupid. See that's the problem is people create these scenarios that don't help their cause at all. What does kneeling for an athem do to stop police brutality? Not a damn thing, these athletes have so much more they could do that would actually help but choose to kneel for a song.

That completely misses the point. That scenario was a hypothetical. Kaepernick took the knee because other forms of protest are often met with violence resistance, and because of his national platform and spread awareness. We're talking about it right now. It's you choosing to make it trivial, but it kind of helped the BLM movement. Anyway, it doesn't matter why it would be your best resource, the point is that if it was your best resource and someone mocked it, you would be a little upset about that.

[Simple Fan]

As far as I'm concerned, players are totally within their right to kneel as a form of protest. Whether its effective or not is a different story.

I think all protest are bullshit and people that participate are stupid. Live you life and if something bothers you that much actually do something about it.

[Simple Fan]

That completely misses the point. That scenario was a hypothetical. Kaepernick took the knee because other forms of protest are often met with violence resistance, and because of his national platform and spread awareness. We're talking about it right now. It's you choosing to make it trivial, but it kind of helped the BLM movement. Anyway, it doesn't matter why it would be your best resource, the point is that if it was your best resource and someone mocked it, you would be a little upset about that.

No they can mock it all they want because it would be stupid. My family just died so I'm going to yell at a courthouse. Stupid

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I explicitly stated something that very contrary to your first sentence, somewhat embraces offending people as a learning curve, let alone assert anything that suggests you should base your life on not offending people. I mean, offending people shouldn't be your aim, if that's your point? Otherwise I've got no clue what you're trying to say here or how it is relevant, and I'll have to appeal to you to be able to explain that.

I'm not calling you a bigot, but your definition of politics implies privilege. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think the stuff you said about how you were received by Shad are pretty shitty, but it's not my job to speak for him. I think it's highly ironic that if your opinion upsets someone then it's their fault they take it that way, but when someone's opinion upsets you, it's their fault for making you feel that way.

The difference is, your opinion is an attack on my character. My opinion was on the political climate.

And I'm not celebrating upsetting Shad. I'd prefer not to. But I can't adjust who I am because someone (even someone I respect like Shad) didn't like what I have to say. If he wants to cast me off (allegedly I don't know his thoughts) as some loud mouthed white guy who doesn't care about what he has to say, that's ignorant on his part, because I'm not. I'd have been more than happy to continually listen and debate what he had to say.

You've simply painted him as a victim when he is not.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The difference is, your opinion is an attack on my character. My opinion was on the political climate.

And I'm not celebrating upsetting Shad. I'd prefer not to. But I can't adjust who I am because someone (even someone I respect like Shad) didn't like what I have to say. If he wants to cast me off (allegedly I don't know his thoughts) as some loud mouthed white guy who doesn't care about what he has to say, that's ignorant on his part, because I'm not. I'd have been more than happy to continually listen and debate what he had to say.

You've simply painted him as a victim when he is not.

If Shad decides that I painted him as a victim, I do apologize for that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm starting to see how Simple Fan got his name.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Anyway, thanks for the chat, gents. P.S. Cody is a mid-carder.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I'm fairly certain my friends who do podcast can get unique data. I mean, I haven't really looked into how that stuff works, but I wouldn't be surprised if you hadn't either.

I'm a web analyst and report on podcast downloads at least once a week. You can't fire off a sessionization or user-based cookie through an RSS feed, iTunes or Google Play which is how podcasts are mostly consumed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

For clarification: I like Cody just fine, but there's something annoying about how much he embraces WWEisms even outside the WWE. Didn't he even get Downstait to do a WWE-style generic rock theme for him? It's like "If I were an upper mid-carder in the WWE, this is how it would go..."

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm a web analyst and report on podcast downloads at least once a week. You can't fire off a sessionization or user-based cookie through an RSS feed, iTunes or Google Play which is how podcasts are mostly consumed.

That's cool. So Cornette probably averages about 100,000 listeners a week. That's New Japan World's subscriber total.

[Simple Fan]

I'm starting to see how Simple Fan got his name.

Because I'm a simple kind of man and do simple kind of things. Simply put protesting is stupid and solves nothing. You came up with a dumb scenario not me.

[Fignuts]

So uh....how bout that new japan?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

:lol: I am terrible I'm sorry Figgy.

[Fignuts]

It's ok. Maybe Kaepernick will hit a One Winged Angel on a dirty cop and this will all become loosely relevant to the topic.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

dude... I like the way you think. Gonna tweet him about that RN

[Mr. Nerfect]

Because I'm a simple kind of man and do simple kind of things. Simply put protesting is stupid and solves nothing. You came up with a dumb scenario not me.

You surely can't be missing that point that hard. Oh well. Your loss, hombre.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's ok. Maybe Kaepernick will hit a One Winged Angel on a dirty cop and this will all become loosely relevant to the topic.

I'd rather he go old-school All Japan and do a Burning Hammer just to be tangentially out of bounds.

[Evil Vito]

Night 1 of Honor Rising was fun

[Ultra Mantis]

Main events of both nights were great, Cody is the best he's ever been right now, wherever on the scale of mediocre to very good that might fall.

[Evil Vito]

Yeah the night 2 main event kicked ass.

[Evil Vito]

Hangman was already on Team Cody. Marty went from being conflicted on night 1 to having no issue breaking Kenny's fingers on night 2. And now the Bucks got offended at Kenny calling the Golden Lovers the best team in the world and so they're moving up to the heavyweight division with a match between the teams all but assured at some point.

Think it's safe to say Kenny is no longer in The Elite.

[Ultra Mantis]

Cody crashed Hangman's post match interview on night 1 and Hangman actually got pissed off that Cody was hogging the spotlight and shit talking Kenny in the ring while he was in the back talking about the match, so they were even teasing tension there.

[Emperor Smeat]

Golden Lovers vs Cody/Scurll was pretty great.

Guess with the Young Bucks announcement at the end, Jr Tag division now belongs to Sho and Yoh for the foreseeable future.

[Ultra Mantis]

Hiromu / Bushi maybe since they seem to be moving Hiromu away from the Jr title picture. If they're keeping the heavyweight belts on SANADA / EVIL for a bit then strapping them could play into Naito's post WK underachiever angle.

[Emperor Smeat]

Kevin Kelly teasing NJPW has plans for the next tour of Australia to be broadcast live on New Japan World. In regards to last week's tour, they are currently adding commentary to the taped shows.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's in the works. We are voicing this tour's shows soon for release on <a href="https://twitter.com/njpwworld?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@njpwworld</a>. &quot;Live&quot; would be ideal for the return. <a href="https://t.co/jZpQy54n3T">https://t.co/jZpQy54n3T</a></p>&mdash; Kevin Kelly (@realkevinkelly) <a href="https://twitter.com/realkevinkelly/status/967170363913256960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[#BROKEN Hasney]

No matter what the plans were for this Bullet Club situation at the end of it, it can't end with Kenny going back to the Bullet Club now. The Golden Lovers are ridiculously over.

[Simple Fan]

I like the grey hair look for Marty, goes with The Villians character. Even better that the problems in Bullet Club are the cause of it, needs to go ahead and do the beard.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We should’ve ran a bigger building. <br>YOUNG BUCKS VS GOLDEN LOVERS in Long Beach for <a href="https://twitter.com/njpw1972?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@njpw1972</a>. <a href="https://t.co/6JAN0A4Hgv">https://t.co/6JAN0A4Hgv</a> <a href="https://t.co/2FZIVXN4zX">pic.twitter.com/2FZIVXN4zX</a></p>&mdash; The Young Bucks (@MattJackson13) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattJackson13/status/967964516171464705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[#BROKEN Hasney]

They should have run a bigger building. Selling out 5,000 in 20 minutes before the card is known is great. Now Bucks/Golden Lovers, Mysterio/Liger & Jericho/Naito could have done huge for them.

On one hand, good on them being conservative and trying to grow slowly. But for one night only, they should have taken the risk I think.

[Evil Vito]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW7jrkFWsAA0utk.jpg:large

Tana/Okada has been done to death so he won't win unless he has a death wish and wants another shot at Suzuki. I can't see them giving SANADA a second title match in a row. And Naito really shouldn't get another title match so soon unless the plan is for him to finally win it.

So yeah, my money's on Ishii.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

New thread: http://tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?p=5089089#post5089089

Leave this unpleasantness behind

[mike adamle]

Should ban Noid from that thread.