K2 returning to end Asuka

[slik]

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Side note: I wonder if Michelle McCool will have Layla with her...LayCool was a good 'heel' team...also wonder if Vickie G will show up and yell 'Excuse Me'.

[Bad News Gertner]

I hope to God she does. Kelly is way better than that bland Asian.

[Sixx]

Who is this?

[Tonya Harding]

Kelly should go for the knee.

[slik]

lol

[Bad News Gertner]

Kelly should go for the knee.

Well played

[Anybody Thrilla]

Kelly got really hot.

[Theo Dious]

Kelly got really hot.

Yeah cause she grew up and doesn't look 12 anymore.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I never said I was perplexed by it. Just something I noticed.

[KIRA]

I would hope K2 would get in the ring with Asuka been a while since WWE crucified someone on television

[Tom Guycott]

Kelly got really hot.

Yeah cause she grew up and doesn't look 12 anymore.

Eh. She was always okay in a very generic way. Her government name is still very fitting as both a proper noun and descriptor.

I'm with Slik and hope Layla makes an appearance. Michelle McCool is optional.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, how you have a woman named "Barbie Blank" under your employ, and you find the need to change her name to "Kelly" escapes me. She was always hot, just not much use for her beyond being hot. She was the most improved of 2007 though, which makes her better than Alexa Bliss.

[Tom Guycott]

I don't see much difference in Kelly and Alexa in terms of "hotness". Not even her co-opting the Suicide Squad mojo changes that. She is, however, a better character (just being a total, unapologetic, dismissive bitch) and better promo. Also, less clumsy-looking and stilted in the ring than K2... which always struck me as funny, as her whole debut thing was her dancing pretty fluidly, but moving around in wrestling matches was like looking at a computer controlled character in a PS1 Smackdown game.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Alexa is a much better promo. Kelly screamed during her matches, but they were no more offensive. Neither crosses over into anywhere near "good" that you'd value them as an in-ring performer should you be starting up a company. Kelly has much nicer boobs.

[Fignuts]

I wouldn't even remotely compare the two in ring. Maybe when Bliss was in NXT a few years ago.

While I agree with previous comments you've made about some people overselling her ability, I think you sometimes take it to the point where you undersell just how much she's improved and how good she actually is now. She's not my favorite to watch in ring, but she has gotten good enough that I actually look forwars to her matches. If she continues to improve in ring at the rate she has, she could become one of their best talents. No one else can touch her confidence on the mic. Whether the word(likely prewritten) are good or not, she is one of the best on the roster in delivering them, and making you believe the words are her own. Her facials (stop giggling) are top notch as well.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Absolutely can't stand her facials. Agree on her potential and her natural promo ability -- she has been involved in some of the worst stuff of yesteryear, however. She's worth investing in. But you can make the same case for Kelly Kelly, except she can't talk as well.

[Black Widow]

Wish they had Alexa beat her in record time.

[Frank Drebin]

Fucking Summer Rae was better in the ring than Kelly.

Alexa is top notch on the mic and a bit above passable in the ring while still improving. She's had some decent matches and single handedly kept talking segments from turning into all time worsts (see Bayley: this is your life).

I can't name one thing Kelly is good at other than "boobs". She also represents the "bathroom break" era of women's wrestling.

[Juan]

This thread title is misleading, you just might get a neg rep from STD for this

[Simple Fan]

Fucking Summer Rae was better in the ring than Kelly.

Alexa is top notch on the mic and a bit above passable in the ring while still improving. She's had some decent matches and single handedly kept talking segments from turning into all time worsts (see Bayley: this is your life).

I can't name one thing Kelly is good at other than "boobs". She also represents the "bathroom break" era of women's wrestling.

Summer Rea was pretty good in the ring I thought. WWE just never gave her enough to do.

[Juan]

Define “good”

[Simple Fan]

Not bad

[Juan]

She was definitely improving in the ring toward the end there, dunno if I’d call her good tho

[Juan]

IMO

[KIRA]

Fucking Summer Rae was better in the ring than Kelly.

Alexa is top notch on the mic and a bit above passable in the ring while still improving. She's had some decent matches and single handedly kept talking segments from turning into all time worsts (see Bayley: this is your life).

I can't name one thing Kelly is good at other than "boobs". She also represents the "bathroom break" era of women's wrestling.

The the comments for the K2 Raw fallout vid there are people calling her a legend its beyond laughable

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yeah, how you have a woman named "Barbie Blank" under your employ, and you find the need to change her name to "Kelly" escapes me. She was always hot, just not much use for her beyond being hot. She was the most improved of 2007 though, which makes her better than Alexa Bliss.

Fuck you for that one.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Noid, you are fucking on one if you think Kelly is anywhere near Alexa in the ring. You're trolling, right?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Summer Rea was pretty good in the ring I thought. WWE just never gave her enough to do.

I agree.

[Destor]

Bliss is very, very good. Shocked thats being debated.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Noid has hated her for a long time.

[Emperor Smeat]

Trying to think who were worse overall than Kelly Kelly in the ring and the only ones I can think off the top of my head are Eva Marie, Brie Bella, and maybe Jackie Gayda.

Don't think K2 ever learned how to correctly run the ropes during her entire time in the WWE.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid, you are fucking on one if you think Kelly is anywhere near Alexa in the ring. You're trolling, right?

How many good matches has Alexa had? I think you'll find it matches up perfectly with the exact number of matches that Kelly had.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid has hated her for a long time.

I don't hate her. Don't misrepresent my points. I've always said she's got a lot of potential. I'd cut about half the roster before I cut Alexa. She's got a great look and can talk. I'd just take her out of an alleged main event position when I'm trying to promote a "Women's Evolution" and she's been doing this for four years.

She's the female Miz to me. She's fine in a certain position. She does things better than a lot of other women. She seems to have a great attitude and wants to be there and get better. But she's not fucking great or believable in the slightest. It's mathematically very unlikely that she would be at this stage of her development (and she is still developing).

[Mr. Nerfect]

Watched Alexa Bliss vs. Sasha Banks and Kelly Kelly vs. Victoria and Kelly Kelly vs. Jillian Hall as refreshers. Bliss/Banks was pretty bad. Kelly Kelly's matches were pretty bad too. I'd say Bliss was better, but not by any sort of appreciable standard. I think the agenting of the matches and the spot-based style the women work these days helps her out a lot.

[Destor]

How many good matches has Alexa had? I think you'll find it matches up perfectly with the exact number of matches that Kelly had.

Cant remember waching any of her post nxt maches that were bad.

[Fignuts]

Alexa vs charlotte was better than anything kelly has ever done by a pretty wide margin.

[Bad News Gertner]

Extreme Expose vs Riott Squad

[Frank Drebin]

Trying to think who were worse overall than Kelly Kelly in the ring and the only ones I can think off the top of my head are Eva Marie, Brie Bella, and maybe Jackie Gayda.

Don't think K2 ever learned how to correctly run the ropes during her entire time in the WWE.

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From 2013:
Already Summer Rae > Kelly Kelly

Funny that, I was just going to say that Summer Rae is reminding me of Kelly Kelly, with the only difference being that Summer can actually run the ropes.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Not really sure what you look at in a match, but I thought Bliss v. Banks at...Great Balls of Fire, was it?...was really good. I enjoyed her match with Asuka on Raw a couple weeks ago too. There are many more, but to your point, that's at very least TWO more good matches than Kelly Kelly ever had.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Alexa vs charlotte was better than anything kelly has ever done by a pretty wide margin.

Yes, there's another one.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cant remember waching any of her post nxt maches that were bad.

I remember seeing her against Naomi and thinking that was really bad. I just saw her versus Sasha, it was uploaded in August when Alexa won the belt back. That wasn't engaging at all. Sorry, I just don't think she's there in the ring.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

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[Anybody Thrilla]

She may not gel with Naomi so well. Oddly specific critique, and you're ignoring a lot of other things.

You didn't like the Sasha match with the fake broken arm?

[Mr. Nerfect]

She's hot and she plays a cosplaying bitch and that appeals to geeks. It's smart to ease her into the roster with something like that. They clearly have a ten year plan for her to be around for ages. As I've said, I'll probably end up loving her when everyone else is saying "I'm sick of her," when she's actually good.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well you're entitled to all of that. But we could for real find botch gifs of pretty much anyone.

[Juan]

Her match with Asuka on Raw a few weeks ago was pretty good

[Mr. Nerfect]

She may not gel with Naomi so well. Oddly specific critique, and you're ignoring a lot of other things.

You didn't like the Sasha match with the fake broken arm?

I don't know if I've seen that one. The one I saw was the one where Alexa won the belt back. I think it was the Raw after No Mercy or SummerSlam or something. You could just see the strings as they went from spot-to-spot. It was a soft style spotfest. Not for me.

I haven't liked what I've seen from her with Bayley. Or Becky. Haven't seen the Charlotte match. Also don't particularly care to, because she doesn't draw me in. Sorry, but I feel like I've given her enough of a chance to make a loyal fan out of me at this stage. She can do a lot of stuff really well. There is a lot of stuff that she can't do well. That's fine. Why can't she just be as good as she is? Why does everyone need to exaggerate her talent to the point it blasphemy to compare her to other divas who were hired for their looks and can barely run the ropes? She's a perfectly passable Diva-grade wrestler.

[Anybody Thrilla]

She has had a slew of good matches. More than I ever thought she would be capable of. I always thought she was hot, but I didn't always think she was good. Now though...I dunno what you'd like to see from her.

[Juan]

Is “cosplaying bitch” really her gimmick? She dressed like Harley Quinn once

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well you're entitled to all of that. But we could for real find botch gifs of pretty much anyone.

That's true. These are just things that I remember Alexa doing when I've been asked to give her a chance because "she's really good now," and then I see her fuck up about four things a match. Which is fine -- she's inexperienced. It's the fandom around her that bothers me more than she actually does.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is “cosplay bitch” really her gimmick? She dressed like Harley Quinn once

That's when people got on her bandwagon. It matches up perfectly to No Mercy 2016. Before that, people were saying "Why is she getting called up? Ew." Correlation is not causation, but if I were a betting man...

[Anybody Thrilla]

I don't know if I've seen that one. The one I saw was the one where Alexa won the belt back. I think it was the Raw after No Mercy or SummerSlam or something. You could just see the strings as they went from spot-to-spot. It was a soft style spotfest. Not for me.

I haven't liked what I've seen from her with Bayley. Or Becky. Haven't seen the Charlotte match. Also don't particularly care to, because she doesn't draw me in. Sorry, but I feel like I've given her enough of a chance to make a loyal fan out of me at this stage. She can do a lot of stuff really well. There is a lot of stuff that she can't do well. That's fine. Why can't she just be as good as she is? Why does everyone need to exaggerate her talent to the point it blasphemy to compare her to other divas who were hired for their looks and can barely run the ropes? She's a perfectly passable Diva-grade wrestler.

She can be as good as she is, but to say she's Kelly Kelly level is insulting and erroneous. Sounds like you've missed some of her best work, and that's fine too, but it's out there. Unless there's some really good Kelly Kelly matches out there that I haven't seen. There aren't, though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

She can be as good as she is, but to say she's Kelly Kelly level is insulting and erroneous. Sounds like you've missed some of her best work, and that's fine too, but it's out there. Unless there's some really good Kelly Kelly matches out there that I haven't seen. There aren't, though.

I think it's insulting to say that's insulting. Kelly worked really hard to get as good as she did. She didn't get good, but she held the fort perfectly fine for what they were after. Kelly was probably more over too.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Is “cosplaying bitch” really her gimmick? She dressed like Harley Quinn once

And Freddy Krueger. And Chucky. And probably other stuff.

It's something she does, but I wouldn't call it her gimmick. Just an extension of herself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, it's cool she does it, frankly. And it helps her.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think it's insulting to say that's insulting. Kelly worked really hard to get as good as she did. She didn't get good, but she held the fort perfectly fine for what they were after. Kelly was probably more over too.

Alexa has not only been working hard, but she has been flourishing amongst much better talent than Kelly was surrounded by. Why does she not deserve that respect? Also, still waiting to hear about a single good Kelly match.

[Anybody Thrilla]

You don't have to go back and watch these Bliss matches we're mentioning or anything, but know that I've seen them all, and I suffered through Kelly's entire career in WWE too. I can say without hesitation that the comparison is fairly off the mark. I also haven't mentioned how hot I think Bliss is in this entire thread until just now.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well maybe one other time or so, but you get it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Alexa has not only been working hard, but she has been flourishing amongst much better talent than Kelly was surrounded by. Why does she not deserve that respect? Also, still waiting to hear about a single good Kelly match.

And I'm still waiting to hear about a good Alexa Bliss match. :p We can both play that game. I do think Bliss is better than Kelly, but not by so much it's insulting. Come on, now. Even if the matches you have come up with are good, you're still at, what? Two? Three?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not going to go back and forth on this endlessly. I just don't think she's as good as people say. Doesn't mean I hate her. I just think the people who put her in some rarefied air are kidding themselves a bit. But to each their own.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Three off the top of my head. I've enjoyed plenty of her matches. At least I named a few.

But yeah, to each his own.

[Anybody Thrilla]

And I'm sorry, but Kelly was trash in the ring. Like, for real.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is just circular to me. Kelly is bad, but got better, and Alexa was bad and got better. I'm not seeing any nuances worth distinguishing. Alexa is better, but they have had very similar trajectories.

[Fignuts]

This is dumb now.

You know who else has blonde hair and was awesome? Yoshihiro Takayama. Lets talk about him instead of this dumb bullshit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is there a diva with a mustache as glorious as Don Frye's?

[KIRA]

I don't love Alexa per se but I don't ever remember her coming close to being as bad as Kelly Kelly

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maybe I am not remembering how much Kelly Kelly improved, or at least putting it into contextual significance. Still, this idea that Alexa is a great wrestler is yet to be firmly established to me. Sorry.

[Bad News Gertner]

Kelly Kelly is much better than Bliss.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I don't recall Kelly ever improving.

[Destor]

I remember seeing her against Naomi and thinking that was really bad. I just saw her versus Sasha, it was uploaded in August when Alexa won the belt back. That wasn't engaging at all. Sorry, I just don't think she's there in the ring.
Naomi is the drizzling shits tho

[KIRA]

Naomi is the drizzling shits tho

She seems to be just sloppy if she could get it together she'd be fun to watch outside of her entrance

[Mr. Nerfect]

Naomi is the drizzling shits tho

I'm no fan.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't recall Kelly ever improving.

I definitely do. I was young and optimistic though. But I remember her doing a great job around the time she was given the Divas Title. In terms of effort and all that shit that people praise Bliss for.

[Frank Drebin]

Kelly Kelly is much better than Bliss.

lol....please

[Fignuts]

She seems to be just sloppy if she could get it together she'd be fun to watch outside of her entrance

Yeah her moveset is fun, but her execution needs work.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Hate those goofy ass kicks.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The repeated ones with no force behind them? Yeah fucking garbage.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, it's definitely a "diva era"type of move.

Fucking love the headscissors faceplant to kneeling opponents tho. Her submission is cool too.

[Bad News Gertner]

lol....please

Lol ok I'm making that up, but I really don't get what people see in Bliss besides her ass.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol ok I'm making that up, but I really don't get what people see in Bliss besides her ass.

It's all the ass and people are convinced she can play a "character" because her voice isn't ingratiating, this is despite her being in some of the worst segments of the year.