Venom (2018)

[slik]

Looks like a Jason Bourne movie...show me the Venom plz next time


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[Destor]

Exceptional

[Destor]

ly meh

[JimmyMess]

cool little teaser. I'm still super fuzzy on the whole Spiderman/Venom/MCU/Fox/Purple Monkey Dishwasher situation.

[Helmsphere]

Why is Brock in San Francisco? Is this to get it where he doesn't cross paths with The Spiderman?

[JimmyMess]

/Sony... or whatever

[Fignuts]

When Venom got his limited series in the 90's it was in San Fran.

[Seanny One Ball]

Not enough Topher Grace rly

[ClockShot]

I like where it's going. Really is a teaser trailer. Nothing crazy, no Tom Hardy suited up, just a taste.

[RP]

I'd go gay for Tom Hardy

[rez]

Is this gonna be R rated? Could be Sony's attempt to emulate FOX's second chance at Deadpool after Origins. Second chances...

[Kalyx triaD]

R Rated is not a genre.

[Seanny One Ball]

Don't be disingenuous, comic book movies for adults aren't exactly thick on the ground.

I like to think Super started the trend. That movie was brutal.

[Shadow]

Why is this movie even a thing if you're not gonna try and tie it to Spider-Man?

[Seanny One Ball]

It could be an attempt to establish Venom as its own entity. He can be in the same universe but unconnected to Spiderman for now I'm sure.

[XL]

R Rated is not a genre.

Who said it was?

[slik]

VenomVerse

[Seanny One Ball]

Who said it was?

Technically it is. A genre is just a style or category and a movie's age rating is a category. It's maybe not the only one you want to choose your films based on but that's a different discussion.

[Ezra]

I'm down for it. I know there is too much at stake money wise to do it but I would love for them to not even show venom. Make people wait.

[Destor]

for what? a sequel?

[Ezra]

I don't want them to show the full venom in the trailers. You want to see him go see the movie or wait until it's out so you can see a shitty cam jpg of him. Come on, destor.

[Destor]

Almost just as bad

[Kalyx triaD]

Technically it is. A genre is just a style or category and a movie's age rating is a category. It's maybe not the only one you want to choose your films based on but that's a different discussion.

Expendables 1 is a different genre to Expendables 3?

[Destor]

If youre using ratings as the genre and not tone as the genre then yeah.

It would be a bad system but if we're being literal genres are subjective categories for classifying art. Modern colloquialisms aside its valid.

And ftr R super hero movies could easily become a reasonable genre in 5 years time

[Destor]

Deadpool, Deadpool 2, birdman, defendor, kick ass 1 and 2 possibly venom...new mutans pg 13 or R?

Growing genre for sure

[rez]

I meant if Sony is taking the route of fixing Venom after fucking him up in Spiderman 3 - like Origins fucked up Deadpool and then they fixed him.

[Sixx]

I meant if Sony is taking the route of fixing Venom after fucking him up in Spiderman 3 - like Origins fucked up Deadpool and then they fixed him.

Topher Grace was absolute garbage. When they cast him I was like "what the fuck? Eddie Brock is supposed to be jacked and this kid is a scrawny little faggot".

[Kalyx triaD]

Deadpool, Deadpool 2, birdman, defendor, kick ass 1 and 2 possibly venom...new mutans pg 13 or R?

Growing genre for sure

Growing trend. Not a genre. Nobody writes with 'R' as a genre in their head. There's a reason it's so easy to sway between R and PG13 during editing, whereas it would take heavy editing to change a film's genre mid-way.

[Seanny One Ball]

Expendables 1 is a different genre to Expendables 3?

I think we both know that I was using literal definition to make a semantic point.
I didn't say it would hold up or remain valid under real scrutiny but within the Superhero/Comic book adaptation scene you know as well as I do that Wolverine has gone from Universal ratings to R rated and every iteration is significantly different. I would definitely say R rated Logan is a completely different genre(distopic western) to PG rated Wolverine in X men 1&2 or the cartoons.

X Men could pass for a family film. It pretty much is.

[Seanny One Ball]

R Rated Superhero movies or Adult Superhero films are already an identifiable sub-category of the comic/superhero genre Kalyx.
Stylistically freed from restraint they are not all about the edit.

[Seanny One Ball]

Super could never work as a kids film. Kick-Ass, Logan or Deadpool either. They need free access to graphic excess in order to make their point...

[Kalyx triaD]

And yet you can edit down Logan for television and it'll still be a western noir. Deadpool would still be a satire of the sub-genre. The freedom of content does lend itself to the film, but it's completely unnecessary to liken ratings as seperate genres. There's no reason to do that. It's almost a misunderstanding of how we categorize movies. There's uses for identifying genre other than making the Blockbuster Video clerk's life easier.

[Lock Jaw]

Less a genre and more a "trend" of "oh, we can make mature superhero movies?"

[Destor]

And yet you can edit down Logan for television and it'll still be a western noir. Deadpool would still be a satire of the sub-genre. The freedom of content does lend itself to the film, but it's completely unnecessary to liken ratings as seperate genres. There's no reason to do that. It's almost a misunderstanding of how we categorize movies. There's uses for identifying genre other than making the Blockbuster Video clerk's life easier.

You arent good with definitions

[Lock Jaw]

Doesn't Kalyx think the whole MCU is one movie anyways?

[Kalyx triaD]

Less a genre and more a "trend" of "oh, we can make mature superhero movies?"

Call it a trend, sure, but it's not a genre.

You arent good with definitions

Okay.

[Kalyx triaD]

Doesn't Kalyx think the whole MCU is one movie anyways?

A 'movie show'. But I don't see how it hinders my points here. The MCU uses lots of genres to diversify it's episodes, though each one retains MCU dna of character, humor, and mythology. Hold to those three pillars and you can crossbreed with just about any genre, which is the genius of the MCU.

[Lock Jaw]

A 'movie show'. But I don't see how it hinders my points here.

Oh, it's entirely irrelevant. I just brought it up because every now and then I find it fun to give you a hard time and bust your chops.

[Kalyx triaD]

Sorry to deflate your big wheel but it's really not busting my chops. One of my fave topics to discuss is the MCU. It's been a fascinating achievement.

[Seanny One Ball]

And yet you can edit down Logan for television and it'll still be a western noir


Right but it was only made as a direct result of the aforementioned creation of an adult sub-genre of comic book movie adaptations.
Logan would never have worked and I doubt they'd even think to adapt it if it was watered down. The storyline requires an excess that would never make it into a kids film.

The kids who grew up reading the "graphic novel" style comics are now making these films and there are going to be lots of them. I am a layman when it comes to comics but even I know there are some seriously weird comics that would never have had a chance on screen years ago. Now is the time for crazy stuff like The Invisibles

[Seanny One Ball]

You can edit Die Hard down and it's still obviously an action flick, even if you do have to hear the phrase "yippee kayay mother Hubbard". It's just way better as an unedited adult action movie. Rating categories obviously make a difference to the stylistic content of film.

[Kalyx triaD]

All good points, none of which explain how an R rating is a genre. You're just explaining why you like R rated movies.

[Seanny One Ball]

You obviously can't read or have below par interpretive abilities then.

Wilful ignorance is so strange.

[Kalyx triaD]

Okay?

How is an R rating a genre? What collection of themes and tropes tie with a content rating?

[Seanny One Ball]

I'm not going to repeat myself. I don't negotiate with illiterates.

[Seanny One Ball]

Expendables 1 is a different genre to Expendables 3?

It's both a different style and in a different category so yes.

Expendable 3 was a kids sequel to an adult franchise. I'd have no problem saying it lacked enough of the essential elements to exclude it as a hard R action flick and those differences are enough to change the tone of the film.
The fact that children are too young to appreciate the array of collected 80's and 90's action stars is what made it the least popular with people who expected a third explosion-filled, muscle bound, quip laden death fest and instead got a slightly sexier version of Wild Hogs...

[rez]

Topher Grace was absolute garbage. When they cast him I was like "what the fuck? Eddie Brock is supposed to be jacked and this kid is a scrawny little faggot".

Yeah, I haven't watched a Spiderman movie since 3.

[Kalyx triaD]

It's both a different style and in a different category so yes.

Expendable 3 was a kids sequel to an adult franchise. I'd have no problem saying it lacked enough of the essential elements to exclude it as a hard R action flick and those differences are enough to change the tone of the film.
The fact that children are too young to appreciate the array of collected 80's and 90's action stars is what made it the least popular with people who expected a third explosion-filled, muscle bound, quip laden death fest and instead got a slightly sexier version of Wild Hogs...

You should understand that you are not wrong, I am not disagreeing with that critique.

But you are not talking about what you think you're talking about.

[Seanny One Ball]

I think you're just ignorant of synonyms, definitions and literal interpretation.
Try to understand how small the difference your argument against a literal fact makes and you'll start to understand why you are absurd to argue about it.

To highlight your stubbornness was not the initial intention but it irks me when a dictionary can do all of your arguing for you only you refuse to open it.

[Seanny One Ball]

People are entitled to be as literal as their use of language allows. In that respect R rated movies are a genre.

[Sixx]

Ah, just stop argunig. Let's say it's a subgenre and call it quits.

[Sixx]

Hm, that might actually be right.

Genre: Comedy, Subgenre: pg13, R

[rez]

shutup ya assholes

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LZ_e1n3G6Rc/maxresdefault.jpg

what would you rate THAT movie?

[Kalyx triaD]

People are entitled to be as literal as their use of language allows. In that respect R rated movies are a genre.

lol Nah nigga that's not how this works. Meanings are important. Category terms are important. Consistency. Order. We want those things you chaotic mad man.

Hm, that might actually be right.

Genre: Comedy, Subgenre: pg13, R

Jesus.

[Sixx]

Thinking of a possibility that would end this stupid discussion so shut up.

[Seanny One Ball]

Ah, just stop argunig. Let's say it's a subgenre and call it quits.


sub-category

sub-genre

[Seanny One Ball]

Thinking of a possibility that would end this stupid discussion so shut up.


Kalyx won't compromise, even with a dictionary.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Can we stop production on this? I mean...is it within our combined power?

[Ruien]

Thinking of a possibility that would end this stupid discussion so shut up.

Yes. Just stop. No one cares. Not even you two.

[Seanny One Ball]

Lies. We all care about everything.

[Lock Jaw]

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[slik]

Looks cool

[Kalyx triaD]

Why do so many movies ask Tom Hardy to do an accent?

[Lock Jaw]

Think Venom looks cool, but that the movie seems like it will be "meh"

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Love that Tom Hardy can do anything he wants voice wise. This looks like it could be ok.

[Rammsteinmad]

Looks good. Venom himself looks and sounds amazing. A huge improvement over Spider-Man 3's version.

[Seanny One Ball]

Why do so many movies ask Tom Hardy to do an accent?


Would you like me to explain acting to you?

[Seanny One Ball]

Think Venom looks cool, but that the movie seems like it will be "meh"

Exactly this. This is a DVD or home box office for a rainy night, I wouldn't be taking any trips to see it.

[Kalyx triaD]

Would you like me to explain acting to you?

You have this thing where in order to force a punchline or a 'jab', you have to leap over the point of a statement. I think you should know that it's obvious.

[Frank Drebin]

Looks fine. If it gets good reviews I'll see it. Venom looks good n terrifying.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Eddie Brock is from New York right? And Hardy is British I think. The accent makes sense assuming that's true. Also Hardy doesn't seem like the type who just wants to play himself in a superhero movie.

[Kalyx triaD]

Eddie Brock is from New York right? And Hardy is British I think. The accent makes sense assuming that's true. Also Hardy doesn't seem like the type who just wants to play himself in a superhero movie.

Well he should..

[Swiss Ultimate]

Tom Hardy would have made a good Captain America too.

[Lock Jaw]

For some reason this reminds me of "Catwoman"

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Tom Hardy would have made a good Captain America too.

Too short and doesn't have the hair I think.

[Frank Drebin]

For some reason this reminds me of "Catwoman"

Ever seen catwoman?

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah

[Lock Jaw]

Villain/anti-hero gets stand alone spinoff not connected with the franchise they are from and fight against an evil corporate person

[Frank Drebin]

Yeah, I see your point. Def seems like a generic "corporate" villan.

[alvarado52]

Why do so many movies ask Tom Hardy to do an accent?

Right? It's okay to have an accent an have a movie based in the States.

That being said...of course I'm a Venom mark and I love this, but they better play the anti-hero card hard for the character to really come off correct.

[Shadow]

Yeah now I wanna see this train wreck.

[Fignuts]

Dunno. Looks like a lot of the movie is eddie brock, and only the last portion as full on Venom. That's the impression I got anyway.

[Lock Jaw]

Also v annoyed by "sim-bye-oat".... sounds weird.... always thought of it as "sim-bee-ut"

[slik]

I always thought it was sim-bee-oat

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I thought it was sim-bee-ought

[alvarado52]

I always thought it was sim-bee-oat

With you here. Always pronounced it sim-bee-oat.

[slik]

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[Seanny One Ball]

You have this thing where in order to force a punchline or a 'jab', you have to leap over the point of a statement. I think you should know that it's obvious.



Only you and Samuel L Jackson have a problem with actors acting in films.

[Fignuts]

Will admit the "We are Venom" part is fucking badass.

Also, can anyone explain to me why all these movie trailers have mini trailers at the start, for the trailer you're about to watch?

[Kalyx triaD]

Will admit the "We are Venom" part is fucking badass.

Also, can anyone explain to me why all these movie trailers have mini trailers at the start, for the trailer you're about to watch?

On YouTube you can't skip until five seconds in (for most ads). So what many trailers do now is fit five seconds of a 'complete' trailer in there so even if you skipped you get the picture. Lots of companies found cute use of the fact people skip the moment they can.

[Frank Drebin]

Will admit the "We are Venom" part is fucking badass.

Also, can anyone explain to me why all these movie trailers have mini trailers at the start, for the trailer you're about to watch?

For the kids with no attention span who can't wait the 60 seconds into the trailer to figure out what movie it is or god forbid waiting until the end.

It's annoying af. They do it on the radio too sometimes where they play the hook or chorus of a song for 5 seconds before playing the actual song.

[Sixx]

It's always good to cast Hardy in a movie but if they used someone unknown we would surely get more Venom than Hardy's face.

[Lock Jaw]

But Tom Hardy is well known for roles where you don't see his whole face

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Yeah. Chris Nolan covered arguably the best set of male lips for 2.5 hours and he was loved for it.

[Destor]

Trailer looks awful

[terryna]

loving this moviehttp://gshort.click/buluhidung/60/o.png

[slik]

Early reviews are comparing Venom to Fantastic Four, Ben Affleck's Daredevil and Catwoman.

I think I want to see this even more now.

[Destor]

Im not sure why Im shocked. I expected meh but thats exceeding my expectations

[ClockShot]

Which Fantastic 4?

First one with Jessica Alba, Chris Evans, etc.

Or the other one with Miles Teller, Kate Mara, etc.

Regardless, I'll go check this out.

[slik]

The first one, from early 2000s

Which kind of makes sense b/c I remember reading once this script was from the early 2000s and was just a project 'in limbo' for years

[XL]

Early reviews are comparing Venom to Fantastic Four, Ben Affleck's Daredevil and Catwoman.

I think I want to see this even more now.

I was trying to explain to my wife why I’m not fussed about seeing this in the cinema; this is probably the closest I’ll get.

[ClockShot]

The first one, from early 2000s

Which kind of makes sense b/c I remember reading once this script was from the early 2000s and was just a project 'in limbo' for years

Okay. That one wasn't bad.

[Fignuts]

I'll prolly go see it. Second trailer really sold me on it.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

It has Tom Hardy in it, so I'll probably see the film; I'm in no rush, though.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Reviews are in and they're not good at all. Though Tom Hardy gets praised, seems like they didn't know what tone or story direction to settle on.

[Seanny One Ball]

Only Josh Brolin can play anti heroes in comic book adaptations.

Shoulda gone with Brolin.

[Seanny One Ball]

If you need a villain in a suit it's William Hurt for comics and graphic novels.

[Seanny One Ball]

Michael Keaton can play either side of the fence.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

How can you not love Tom Hardy:

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[slik]

I like Tom Hardy

[Seanny One Ball]

Crack. Crack is the naughtiest thing Tom Hardy has ever done.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Tom Hardy is good in pretty much everything I've seen him in. Fucking loved him in Warrior. Was also really good in The Drop with James Gandolfini.

[Destor]

I have a cousin that operates the cinema here. He has to prescreen every movie to make sure there isnt an error with copy. I was told "dont even watch it for free" which makes me want to have some beer and watch it.

But on netflix when im not contributing to its financials.

[Lock Jaw]

I imagine he sees a lot of terrible movies.

[Destor]

He does...ish. he and a manager share the work and he gets to delegate who screens what. He sits through some turds to keep it fair but its not 50/50 lol

[Swiss Ultimate]

Venom looks sooooo boring from the trailers. The CGI looks okay, but the design just looks like shit for some reason.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I love the way the character looks, and had moderate hope are the first trailer. Seeing the 2nd one where he goes on that long diatribe before eating the bad guy in the liquor store painted the picture that it was going to awful. Or at least not good.

[slik]

About that scene Damian Rey, it appears that


It's the last scene of the film, not sure why SONY would spoil the end of the movie in their marketing, if that's true

[slik]

Mid credits scenes have been confirmed as



Eddie Brock interviewing Cletus Kasady (Woody Harrelson)

&

a Miles Morales scene from 'Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse'

[Seanny One Ball]

About that scene Damian Rey, it appears that


It's the last scene of the film, not sure why SONY would spoil the end of the movie in their marketing, if that's true




I bet it is the end scene and I bet it's used to show that the symbiote has corrupted Brock and achieved dominance in his personality.

[Seanny One Ball]

Looks a bit cheesy. I'll give it a go when it's out on DVD for cheap.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I'll prob not use my Stubbs pass to see it. I did that with predator and fuck was I bored. It'll be on Netflix soon enough. Or my brother will get it on vudu.

[RP]

Only reason i'll see it at the theater is because i'm gay for Tom Hardy.

[slik]

It's hard not to be gay for Tom Hardy.

Just saw it, not as bad as the reviews indicated. Parts of it are bad but parts of it are very enjoyable. When Venom was onscreen I was very entertained. He was funny. I enjoyed the Venom-Tom Hardy dynamic. When Venom wasn't on screen I wasn't crazy about stuff.

[Sixx]

So he's a hero here, right?

[slik]

Yeah

[Emperor Smeat]

Even with the poor reception, this film still managed to break a box office record for the month of October.

Took in $80 million for its opening weekend which was around $25 million higher than the previous holder (Gravity).

https://www.destructoid.com/venom-is-no-turd-as-it-destroys-october-box-office-record-526230.phtml