PS4 exclusive 'Detroit' is a flawed depiction of race in America

[Big Vic]

https://www.engadget.com/2018/05/24/detroit-become-human-ps4-review/Detroit: Become Human begins with a warning: "This is not a story, this is our future." Writer-director David Cage's follow-up to Heavy Rain and Beyond: Two Souls weaves a tale about robots attempting to transcend their programming. But rather being a thoughtful, philosophical examination of consciousness, Detroit, instead, is a tone-deaf look at race.

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If your playthrough is similar to mine, you may find yourself looking over an android internment camp set up at Hart Plaza. It's supposed to evoke the way Asian Americans were collected and isolated during World War II because Americans were afraid that Japan was going to stage an attack from within.

It's one of many race-fueled blemishes on American history that Cage is content to portray. However, he fails at offering any sort of meaningful commentary on it and other events because pushing the envelope too far and having an opinion might offend someone. The result is a game that leans on historical imagery instead of fresh ideas and nuance.I agree the main point of games should not be 'Let's make this fun' but 'Let's make a statement'

[Destor]

games arent meant to be fun. games are supposed to be about guilt.

[Fignuts]

lol I don't mind if a game tries to make a statement, so long as it's a good game, that I'm having fun with. Far Cry 5 and Horizon Zero Dawn are perfect examples.

But they absolutely don't have to.

[Big Vic]

I don't think a game has to make a statement.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Nobody pays attention.

[Emperor Smeat]

Isn't quality storytelling like the biggest flaw of David Cage's games? Its why few people ever take whatever he says or hypes up for his grand plans for games seriously.

Only people I think are comparable are Peter Molyneux and Gearbox's Randy Pitchford when it comes to not believing what they say about games and their goals for them.

[Kalyx triaD]

This isn't about story-telling. The author is doing what other critics said about Far Cry 5; he wants his ideology confirmed and therein shoved down everybody else's throats. He'd give it a GotY nod while it tanks with user critics, cause these weirdos operate under a post-standard ideal.

Oddly enough, I would have assumed this game would dive in the subject matter considering the themes involved. Guess I read Cage wrong.

[Ultra Mantis]

But how many polygons do the characters have?

[DAMN iNATOR]

Isn't quality storytelling like the biggest flaw of David Cage's games? Its why few people ever take whatever he says or hypes up for his grand plans for games seriously.

Only people I think are comparable are Peter Molyneux and Gearbox's Randy Pitchford when it comes to not believing what they say about games and their goals for them.

At least Pitchford has had commercial and critical success with some of his games/game series. I don't know much about this Cage guy, so somebody enlighten me, although I think I already know what the answer will be: Has Cage ever had a commercial and critical success on or above the level of Borderlands 2, which by the way, damn near 6 years on still has an enormous MP player base for a game as old as it is?

[Ultra Mantis]

Yeah, Heavy Rain.

Borderlands 2 has like 12 polygons. Garbage. Barely any emotions at all.

[Fignuts]

Borderlands sucks.

[Destor]

Man it really does

[DAMN iNATOR]

So bad. I can't pry myself away from it. :shifty:

[OssMan]

Looking forward to playing this game, a videogame is a text just as much as a movie or book is so the author has creative control over it.. a book can "make a statement" or just be entertainting just like a videogame can. Idiots like Kalyx will tell you that you should villify someone for sharing their beliefs in his sacred videogames though

[Savio]

The article is mad that he is not doing more to make a statement.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Guess Destor, Figgy and UM just can't appreciate an excellent game that happens to literally have a diamond horse who is a queen and can save the world simply by being fed 5 pieces of priceless Eridium. SMH.

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[Destor]

The tale tell borderlands game was much better than borderlands itself

[DAMN iNATOR]

The tale tell borderlands game was much better than borderlands itself

I will only agree if you mean better than The Pre-Sequel. 1 and 2 are was fantastic.

Tales From the Borderlands ("the 'tale tell' [Telltale] borderlands game")will always have a special place in my heart though.

Also if you really think that, especially re 2, you haven't played the game. The story, the gameplay, the characters (especially Damien Clark, who turned in an Oscar-worthy performance as Handsome Jack), the setting and levels, the humor, the loot (flawed as some of it is), the vault hunters each with their own skill trees - there's too much there for a MMOROGFPS game fan NOT to love.

I'm sure I'm not changing any minds but my love of the 2 main entries in the series will never die.

[Fignuts]

Playing borderlands bored me to tears. And I'm still entertained by Destiny.

[Big Vic]

Borderlands wasn't....bad..... nor was it great.... Didn't finish it though.

[Ultra Mantis]

I played the entirety of BL1 & 2 and found them both incredibly mediocre in every conceivable way.

[Emperor Smeat]

Enjoyed Borderlands 2 but only got through like half of the first game. Playing them in reverse order made it more aparent how the small changes done for the 2nd game made it way more enjoyable.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I played the entirety of BL1 & 2 and found them both incredibly mediocre in every conceivable way.

The first one I can understand, but I concur with Emperor Smear on the post above mine.

[Savio]

This popped up in my feed, game looks pretty interesting.

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[DAMN iNATOR]

Borderlands wasn't....bad..... nor was it great.... Didn't finish it though.

The first game's ending is kinda MEH, but it does hint at some events to happen in 2.

As for 2, if you're truly done with it forever, fine. However, I'll just say that IMHO I think you're doing yourself a bit of a disservice if you can't bring yourself to see the ending on Normal with at least one VH.

BL2 ending:
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[Sepholio]

Borderlands is great. Fuck the haters.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Borderlands is great. Fuck the haters.

See guys, Seph gets it!

[Big Vic]

https://i.imgur.com/WjV9bDG.png

lol

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[OssMan]

looking forward to coming home and playing this game after 2 long month's....

[road doggy dogg]

just appreciate that Windsor skyline

[OssMan]

The article is mad that he is not doing more to make a statement.



I can see that. I guess it did fall a little flat. I liked some of the parallels, though I did end up setting off a nuclear bomb in the end. Whoops.

[Nicky Fives]

I caught Xavier Woods doing a walk through on his channel and thought it looked interesting so I shelled out the money and bought it. Great game, great story, great everything. Graphics are so real that my dog was freaking out thinking that Chloe (menu character) was in the house.

[Destor]

Just finished this. Really well written. Anyone claiming this game didnt have its own voice didnt play the same game i did. Very engaging. Very fun.

[Big Vic]

What ending did you get?

[Destor]

Brokered civil rights for the AI. Everyone lived except for the big black guy