Dave Meltzer body-shaming Peyton Royce, smh

[slik]

Dave Meltzer body-shaming Peyton Royce, smh

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is this normal stuff for a journalist to be talking about? Ever?<br>“She was more attractive in NXT” “She was a lot lighter.” <a href="https://t.co/URfefHaFDu">pic.twitter.com/URfefHaFDu</a></p>&mdash; Danny (@dajosc11) <a href="https://twitter.com/dajosc11/status/1027624336499331074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 9, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So what would you have me do Dave... starve myself? ������ This is how nightmares for young women start. The females in your life must be proud. <a href="https://t.co/8MNpZNsR7m">https://t.co/8MNpZNsR7m</a></p>&mdash; Peyton Royce (@PeytonRoyceWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeytonRoyceWWE/status/1029775450044866566?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Swiss Ultimate]

Dave Meltzer body-shaming Peyton Royce, smh

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is this normal stuff for a journalist to be talking about? Ever?<br>“She was more attractive in NXT” “She was a lot lighter.” <a href="https://t.co/URfefHaFDu">pic.twitter.com/URfefHaFDu</a></p>&mdash; Danny (@dajosc11) <a href="https://twitter.com/dajosc11/status/1027624336499331074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 9, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So what would you have me do Dave... starve myself? ������ This is how nightmares for young women start. The females in your life must be proud. <a href="https://t.co/8MNpZNsR7m">https://t.co/8MNpZNsR7m</a></p>&mdash; Peyton Royce (@PeytonRoyceWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeytonRoyceWWE/status/1029775450044866566?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

The only rasslin journalist I dislike-dislike is Ryan Satin and the Borasso dude at Sports Illustrated

They are both awful

[Shisen Kopf]

Meltzer is an idiot,,,,,,

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'd like to apologize to you. You are an exceedingly attractive woman. I do realize the lengths and pressures on women in the entertainment world to maintain unnatural looks at times and am glad you pointed this out. <a href="https://t.co/qkgOrpVQOX">https://t.co/qkgOrpVQOX</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1029813302858199040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m not sorry. It infuriates me when women are torn down. Especially by some wanna be supposed wrestling journalist parasite. <a href="https://twitter.com/PeytonRoyceWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PeytonRoyceWWE</a> you’re awesome! <a href="https://t.co/xaSGruNhM9">https://t.co/xaSGruNhM9</a></p>&mdash; Fit Finlay (@ringfox1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ringfox1/status/1029811604932775938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Evil Vito]

Dave better apologize.

Peyton and Billie > all. I would swim through shark infested waters with 20 pound dumbbells attached to my nutsack and using Oprah's farts as an air supply just to have a Skype date with them over dial-up.

[Bad News Gertner]

Dave calling it like it is. Good for him.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Dave calling it like it is. Good for him.

I hear you like Kevin Kline movies.

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Tuna Meltz really stepped into one this time. His apology didn't go over well at all.

[Big Vic]

The funny thing is, is Dave almost caught himself from saying anything and then his co-host dragged it out of him lol

[Big Vic]

Can't wait for the #PiggyPeyton storyline

[Innovator]

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[Savio]

Gerard I see you here, is Peyton fat?

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">-6 stars, Dave.</p>&mdash; Seth Rollins (@WWERollins) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWERollins/status/1029837128186949632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Emperor Smeat]

Meltzer does have a point about how main roster is way more about looks but like a bunch of others times, he has a bad way of delivering his point.

She looks better on Smackdown because of her enhancements and makeup while she was a better wrestler on NXT since the focus was a lot more balanced between skills and looks.

Its also why all the jokes about Vince/WWE only cares about blonde and thin women for champs and big pushes keeps popping up from time to time. Something like the Top 5 longest women's champs by combined days is almost all blonde women when you take out Moolah.

[Ultra Mantis]

Seems like he was making a "joke" about her new tits rather than calling her fat, hence his "unnatural" comment.

[Destor]

Is she fat

[Swiss Ultimate]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">-6 stars, Dave.</p>&mdash; Seth Rollins (@WWERollins) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWERollins/status/1029837128186949632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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So lame.

[Ultra Mantis]

I don't even know which one she is tbh.

[Destor]

I looked her up. She's super fit. Ugly tho

[Destor]

Looked up more. Only ugly from certain angles. Studio pics look good

[Ultra Mantis]

Pretty funny that Rollins is white knighting this one though considering his past indiscretions. Dude is definitely mad about his star ratings.

[Bad News Gertner]

Dave's keeping them heifers in line

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is THE QUESTION of the decade: WHY is ANYBODY ON THE <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> roster LISTENING to, or even CARING about ANYTHING <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@davemeltzerWON</a> has to say? He's a MARK not a MAN. And remember--his eyesight's not as good these days. <a href="https://t.co/VqKRghnRMj">pic.twitter.com/VqKRghnRMj</a></p>&mdash; Vince Russo (@THEVinceRusso) <a href="https://twitter.com/THEVinceRusso/status/1029835881169838080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">His sources are stooges with an agenda. Always have been. <a href="https://t.co/XVlGxPOfv6">https://t.co/XVlGxPOfv6</a></p>&mdash; Eric Bischoff (@EBischoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/EBischoff/status/1029865552095789056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Destor]

Everyone in the business is fully aware that meltzers crap isnt worth the paper its no longer printed on. Wont stop the internet from sucking his dick though.

[Frank Drebin]

Dave better apologize.

Peyton and Billie > all. I would swim through shark infested waters with 20 pound dumbbells attached to my nutsack and using Oprah's farts as an air supply just to have a Skype date with them over dial-up.

Who are you, Droford?

[xrodmuc316]

Peyton Royce is awesome though. Watch their ride along episode, they are both (Billie Kay) funny and charming.

Not to mention not at all fat. Maybe Meltzer thinks her boobs got bigger cause she got fat, he never heard of implants maybe?? Lol

[My Final Heaven]

Peyton has not hit her finisher once since debuting on the main roster. Being brought up with the single purpose of being fed to & putting shine on Charlotte'll do that to ya.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is THE QUESTION of the decade: WHY is ANYBODY ON THE <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> roster LISTENING to, or even CARING about ANYTHING <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@davemeltzerWON</a> has to say? He's a MARK not a MAN. And remember--his eyesight's not as good these days. <a href="https://t.co/VqKRghnRMj">pic.twitter.com/VqKRghnRMj</a></p>&mdash; Vince Russo (@THEVinceRusso) <a href="https://twitter.com/THEVinceRusso/status/1029835881169838080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/PeytonRoyceWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PeytonRoyceWWE</a> You have a new fan.</p>&mdash; Eric Bischoff (@EBischoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/EBischoff/status/1029800207872012288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">His sources are stooges with an agenda. Always have been. <a href="https://t.co/XVlGxPOfv6">https://t.co/XVlGxPOfv6</a></p>&mdash; Eric Bischoff (@EBischoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/EBischoff/status/1029865552095789056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Hilarious that the shit rats all of a sudden have credibility because Dave called a chick fat

[Destor]

Theyve always had more credibility than meltzer

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Pretty funny that Rollins is white knighting this one though considering his past indiscretions. Dude is definitely mad about his star ratings.

Being in a bad relationship and wanting out via cheating isn't really the same thing. It's not great but it doesn't mean he can't defend a friend.

[Bad News Gertner]

Theyve always had more credibility than meltzer

Lol please

[BigCrippyZ]

Don't know who Peyton Royce is, but sounds like Meltzer stepped in it with whatever he said about her.

Hilarious though that folks honestly believe that Bischoff and Russo, guys who've legit, both together and apart, each ruined wrestling companies and always seemed in it for themselves, are somehow "credible" or "more credible" than Meltzer.

[Danny Electric]

Bit of a prick thing to say , I agree with whoever said it that he was making a remark on her enhancements. They are jobbers on the main rosters after building up an audience and an act that worked on NXT but then even there they were usually on the loss column.

It’s a shame that he couldn’t have started a conversation on how even though we are in a women’s revolution that we still have women who have an expectation of looking a certain way if they are on the main roster. Also takes me back to the Original Mae Young Classic when people were getting shit for not having the ‘WWE’ look.

But the most important thing is that he didn’t say shit about Billie Kay cos if he did then shit would really hit the fan.

[IC Champion]

This is completely the norm for his guy. Dave’s an angry nerd and hates woman. That’s the only reasonable explanation. He’s buried female talent in the past and this is par the course.

[Swiss Ultimate]

She still might want to try

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Theyve always had more credibility than meltzer

Not for a second lol

[slik]

Peyton for those who haven't seen her

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[Big Vic]

Ugh get that cow off my computer screen.

[slik]

:lol:

[Jordan]

Before the storm I had herd the comment on his show and it did raise my eyebrow because I find her very fit and attractive, but it didn't offend me. I think the anti-Dave community is using this as ammunition for their war against him. If you've herd Dave's latest show he speaks on the topic and deeply apologizes and expresses his regret over saying what he said. I think it's incredibly backwards to single him out when people who work for the company have said many more demeaning and offensive things on social media or interviews. WWE has been fat shaming since Vince Jr. took over. Dave said she wasn't as attractive as she was in NXT when she was a bit lighter. That is a comment that could be made about any performer male or female. For the community to constantly throw "professional journalist" as a slight is a joke. I don't care what anyone thinks about Dave or the sheets. Most people in the business have a bad opinion of Dave because they don't make the cut into the higher echelon of his work, or because they suck. It doesn't matter to me. Peyton is really hot.

[Savio]

Doesn't the other one look "fatter"?

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Honestly, Dave is a bit "on the spectrum" and an easy target because he puts his foot in his mouth and is kind of the nerdy awkward guy. But I love him.

[Destor]

Lol please

Not for a second lol

Hate to break it to you guys but he isnt a journalist. He does tabloid pieces.

[Destor]

You guys eat it up

[Swiss Ultimate]

You guys eat it up

That's why we're fat.

[Black Widow]

Fu** Dave! and Fu** the SJW's that are overreacting to the comments.

[Seanny One Ball]

Hate to break it to you guys but he isnt a journalist. He does tabloid pieces.



I'd have to agree just to keep the value of the word "journalist" alive a little longer. Though a lot of integrity has been destroyed by tabloid reporting and the pap. As for Meltzer lots of his stuff is unverified and asks more questions than it answers. Specious speculation and a bit of dirt raking doesn't really qualify him as a journalist at all. So much bias.

[Jordan]

To me Dave is a critic and historian, journalist? I don't know, don't really care.

[Triple A]

Doesn't the other one look "fatter"?

He was most likely talking about her breast implants and not her weight (since he has apparently brought up not liking implants a few times)... She got them when she moved to the main roster. When he said "she was a lot lighter" I think he was "joking" about that.

He can't really be like, "I was actually talking about her breasts" though

[Big Vic]

He should have said that in his follow up tweets.

[Stickman]

Not enough before and after pics in this thread.

[Triple A]

He should have said that in his follow up tweets.

Added another sentence to my post re: that

He can't really be like, "I was actually talking about her breasts" though

[Seanny One Ball]

That wouldn't improve the situation

[Big Vic]

Sure he can

"I wish the WWE didn't press on her to get breast surgery. We live in a culture where blah blah blah"

[#1-norm-fan]

Hate to break it to you guys but he isnt a journalist. He does tabloid pieces.

So it's the "journalist" who uses second hand information to put together his tabloid pieces vs the carny bullshit artists in a battle of who is more credible.

Still gonna give the edge to Meltzer.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So it's the "journalist" who uses second hand information to put together his tabloid pieces vs the carny bullshit artists in a battle of who is more credible.

Still gonna give the edge to Meltzer.

pretty much where I'm coming from lol

[Shisen Kopf]

She could use a nose job tbh

[#1-norm-fan]

He was most likely talking about her breast implants and not her weight (since he has apparently brought up not liking implants a few times)... She got them when she moved to the main roster. When he said "she was a lot lighter" I think he was "joking" about that.

He can't really be like, "I was actually talking about her breasts" though

I thought it was obvious when he started out by saying she stood out on NXT and doesn't stand out anymore that he was referring to her implants and how they made her look more like everyone else. Oddly enough if he were a little less of a pussy about it and just came out and said it, he would have avoided this.

[Ultra Mantis]

Being in a bad relationship and wanting out via cheating isn't really the same thing. It's not great but it doesn't mean he can't defend a friend.

While cheating on your fiancé with an alleged Nazi is one thing, sending unsolicited dick pics to random girls he just met in a bar a few hours ago is probably the thing that makes him look less immaculate here.

Why does his friend even need to be defended? Does he think she can't do it on her own or something?

[#1-norm-fan]

"Being in a bad relationship and wanting out via cheating".

lol Such ridiculous wording

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, he wasn't defending a friend. He was trolling Meltzer.

[Ultra Mantis]

If he really wanted to break up with his fiancé with no chance of reconciliation he should have just gone on a podcast and said he didn't like her tits.

[Ultra Mantis]

Or I dunno, talked to her maybe?

[Destor]

So it's the "journalist" who uses second hand information to put together his tabloid pieces vs the carny bullshit artists in a battle of who is more credible.

Still gonna give the edge to Meltzer.
"I dont trust the carny bullshit artists i only trust the guy who gets stories from the carny bullshit artists."

Brilliant.

The part you're missing is the carny bullshit has more people backing it than metlzer. Meltzer has one guy tell him a story and he prints it. No self respecting journalist on Earth would do that. Yet everyone on the internet swallows that jizz like its printed gold.

Its not journalism. at all. The fact you believe it says something negative about how you consume information.

Kayfabe commentaries is the closest thing to journalism in wrestling at this point. scores of workers telling stories that verify or scrutinize the others. and it ROUTINELY goes against the tabloid rags you guys love so much.

[Destor]

Either way, you're getting stories from carnies though. Hate to burst that bubble.

[Lock Jaw]

Carny sheep,,,,,,,

[Bad News Gertner]

"I dont trust the carny bullshit artists i only trust the guy who gets stories from the carny bullshit artists."

Brilliant.

The part you're missing is the carny bullshit has more people backing it than metlzer. Meltzer has one guy tell him a story and he prints it. No self respecting journalist on Earth would do that. Yet everyone on the internet swallows that jizz like its printed gold.

Its not journalism. at all. The fact you believe it says something negative about how you consume information.

Kayfabe commentaries is the closest thing to journalism in wrestling at this point. scores of workers telling stories that verify or scrutinize the others. and it ROUTINELY goes against the tabloid rags you guys love so much.

I watched Roddy Piper tell yarn after yarn on his Timeline with KC

[Seanny One Ball]

Only two yarns?

Pffft!

[#1-norm-fan]

"I dont trust the carny bullshit artists i only trust the guy who gets stories from the carny bullshit artists."

Brilliant.

So you seem to think everyone in the wrestling business is equally as much of a bullshitter as everyone else. I know it adds to the "too cool for school" gimmick. It's not true though. There are guys who are known, verifiable bullshit artists to a compulsive level. Because of that their credibility is insanely low. The guy getting his stories from many different sources within the group and "reporting" on it instantly has more credibility than the known pathological liars of said group. And the fact that Meltzer's biggest detractors in the business seem to be the biggest known bullshitters and his supporters are guys like Cornette who, say what you want about his philosophy or his temper, doesn't have NEARLY the track record of bullshitting as a Prichard or Russo or Bischoff, only adds to that.

And for the record, I don't even care that much for Meltzer. Never subscribed to the Observer. Never really cared about his opinions, even. I'm indifferent toward him. And on top of that, he surely has a habit of showing favoritism toward his friends. So the "Meltzer Sheep" thing just doesn't work. It's just common sense. The bullshitters and the guy who reports what he hears from the group as a whole are not even on the same level of credibility.

[#1-norm-fan]

I watched Roddy Piper tell yarn after yarn on his Timeline with KC

lol That isn't even the beginning of it.

Sean Oliver is more credible than Russo or Bischoff though, too.

[#1-norm-fan]

Given how the topic has grown, I vote that the thread title be changed to "To Sheep or Not to Sheep: The Definitive Dave Meltzer Thread".

[Lock Jaw]

Personally, I don't believe any wrassling newz until I see it on TV or announced via official WWE channels like their website or twitter.

A lot of the time, the newz is right, but I still don't trust it one bit.

[Theo]

We have three blondes on the poster of the FIRST-EVER WOMEN'S PPV, and nobody says anything. Dave has a right to have his own opinion, moreover, he was mentioning her breast-implants not her weight.

[Loose Cannon]

this whole thing just shows you how many people love to say shit about people behind a computer screen. If Dave really meant her boobs, then whatever. if he meant to actually call her fat, then he's a moron anyway.

But what gets me is all these wrestlers with twitter accounts attacking Meltzer. so childish. I'm surprised the WWE allows them to have twitter accounts. like bro, he apologized, get over it. wtf is calling Meltzer a piece of garbage over twitter going to do?

[Swiss Ultimate]

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[slik]

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[Swiss Ultimate]

Evolution is reforming?

[slik]

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[Innovator]

Full of change (to the boobs) that no one sees

[Fignuts]

lol @ the joke going over so many peoples heads.

At this point he needs to just come out and say he was talking about her tits. Like, people will still probably be miffed, but easier to be forgiven in today's environment for not liking implants than for fat shaming.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Brock Lesnar is better than Roman Reigns.

[slik]

I think Brock will retain this SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY only on THE WWE NETWORK FREE FOR NEW SUBSCRIBERS

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Given how the topic has grown, I vote that the thread title be changed to "To Sheep or Not to Sheep: The Definitive Dave Meltzer Thread".

haha yes! I'm kind of in the same boat as you on Meltz btw. I probably like him a touch more than you do BUT I'd never pay for anything from him lol

[Bad News Gertner]

You should have heard Dave from like 98-2002. He's always been against "unrealistic body images". I remember him commenting alot on how ridiculously skinny Stacy Keibler got

[Fignuts]

He didnt even actually criticize her. He just stated that she had gotten implants in a cheeky way. If someone is offended by that, then frankly there's no hope for them.

[GD]

Whoa! Philly D reporting on it :eek:

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[poopfromweiner dude]

this shit needs to be brought to the main stream

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Before the storm I had herd the comment on his show and it did raise my eyebrow because I find her very fit and attractive, but it didn't offend me. I think the anti-Dave community is using this as ammunition for their war against him. If you've herd Dave's latest show he speaks on the topic and deeply apologizes and expresses his regret over saying what he said. I think it's incredibly backwards to single him out when people who work for the company have said many more demeaning and offensive things on social media or interviews. WWE has been fat shaming since Vince Jr. took over. Dave said she wasn't as attractive as she was in NXT when she was a bit lighter. That is a comment that could be made about any performer male or female. For the community to constantly throw "professional journalist" as a slight is a joke. I don't care what anyone thinks about Dave or the sheets. Most people in the business have a bad opinion of Dave because they don't make the cut into the higher echelon of his work, or because they suck. It doesn't matter to me. Peyton is really hot.

:y:

This is fucking dumb. You're in a physical business. Your physique is going to be analyzed. He didn't say anything really negative about her from the sounds of that clip, other than she was more attractive in NXT because their act on the main roster has been "WWEized," where the superficial appearance of their women is far more important than talent. See; Bliss, Alexa; Carmella; Royce, Petyon; Kay, Billie.

Bischoff and Russo jumping on this is pretty indicative this is just a witch-hunt on Dave. All these people will gladly work for a company that promotes propaganda for a country that puts women in prison for daring to drive, and then want to act as if calling a spade a spade is egregious.

Fuck this company and fuck the people who support it. Also, fuck Russo and Bischoff.

[Jordan]

I get a feeling even though Dave is getting a lot of slack right now that this attention will only raise his profile in the long run. His influence on wrestling is so strong and undeniable. Call him a Journalist, critic, historian, dirt sheet writer or whatever you want Meltzer has raised tons of awareness throughout history for indie and Japanese wrestling. For example, All In would not be a thing if he hadn't jokingly challenged Cody and the Bucks to make it happen.

[Black Widow]

Whoa! Philly D reporting on it :eek:

<iframe width="1191" height="670" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/xXVv20QI7P0" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>Who in the Fu** of actual Fu**s is that?

[Bad News Gertner]

Hilarious that Beth Phoenix and Fit are "disgusted" with this yet they were around and I guarantee didn't say shit during Piggy James and making fun of Vickie Guerrero's weight.

[Jordan]

I mean we have the whole Bliss/Nia storyline as well. Also I'd imagine if there was a female critic that had half the following Meltzer did that she would likely comment more than he does on the "attractiveness" of certain superstars, or loss of muscle mass/hotness etc... We all know Jinder looked amazing upon his redebut to WWE, not to say he looks bad now but is it really body shaming if I point out that "he doesn't look as good as he used to"? It's just an observation. And Dave is the Observer.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol I remember when Dave used to refer to JYD as the "Junk Food Dog" and the Ultimate Warrior as "The Anabolic Warrior" in the late 80s

[Mr. Nerfect]

How many women needed to go to prison for daring to drive so that Peyton Royce can afford her new tits to share with her boyfriend who thinks that rape is funny if you yell "Surprise!" before it? When you're in an internet argument, sometimes you say shit without thinking, but it's mighty presumptuous to project pity on the women in Dave Meltzer's life when your own ducks aren't in a row.

Also, Peyton is not very good at her job. This is not a sexist remark. She is a shitty wrestler and I bet that if she were ugly she would have never had a look. This dog-piling on Dave by people accepting paychecks from this company is miserably low, and it's darkly ironic. No one with genuine progressive beliefs looks at the WWE's post-feminist token attitude towards women and thinks "Man, they are doing a great job." If the employees actually buy into the WWE's "Women's Revolution" PR, then they are fucking marks.

[Frank Drebin]

When's the next event in Saudi Arabia?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think it was scheduled to be around November/Survivor Series time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Let's see how disgusting Fit Finlay and Beth Phoenix find the WWE then. And if Tyler Breeze can make his voice count there, since we need to make it positive. I wonder if Renee Young will call the WWE a steaming pile of trash?

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dave knowingly put my safety at risk by publishing my legal name, my maiden name, my address, and the address of a confidential DV shelter (putting the women in the shelter at risk, too).<br>He defended his actions and ignored any attempt at communication.<br><br>I don't care.<br>Fuck him.</p>&mdash; Moses Malone (@Th_BodyElectric) <a href="https://twitter.com/Th_BodyElectric/status/1029845905183305729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What is she talking about?

[Bad News Gertner]

The whole Michael Elgin thing

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

ah. I still don't really understand what he did.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave does not seem stupid enough to post the location of a confidential DV shelter. Did he really do that? So much for not having sources, aye? It seems he can find people that have gone into hiding.

Is it bothering anyone else how obvious it was that Dave was talking about Peyton getting big fake titties? Way too many people are framing this like he was trying to fat-shame Peyton or something. I'm all for women doing whatever they want to their tits, but they shouldn't feel the pressure to do it to themselves, and that pressure does come from WWE. Let's not pretend they are trying to blow apart the patriarchal standards of beauty, haha. In their world, big boobs = good. It's irking me that this is being framed like it's Dave Meltzer against women when it's clearly Dave Meltzer against Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn's idea of what women should look like.

[Bad News Gertner]

Dave's been against that for the past 20 years and has been WAAAAAY more critical. It's these reddit/Bruce Prichard fans who just discovered Dave in the past 2-3 years that don't get that.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Dave's been against that for the past 20 years and has been WAAAAAY more critical. It's these reddit/Bruce Prichard fans who just discovered Dave in the past 2-3 years that don't get that.

Pretty much.

[Bad News Gertner]

And for those who say that Dave only does this to women, go read an Observer from 1988 and see how much Dave devotes his Newsletter to giving the WWF shit for how roided up all their wrestlers were. I remember the Observer after Wrestlemania 4 was pretty scathing.

[Bad News Gertner]

I actually found the newsletter online. Here's what Meltzer had to say after Wrestlemania 4.


-- Steroids. "I joke about steroids all the time. I give guys funny nicknames and I suppose I'm the most hated person in the world among heavy steroid users in the wrestling business. However, I'm not trying to be funny here. It was totally embarrassing watching guys really try to work hard, which they aren't used to, and have every match but a few totally die within two minutes because one, and often both guys, couldn't keep up a decent pace for a five minute match. I don't even want to talk about health risks here, because nobody listens. I don't even want to blame the guys here, because the reality of what the promoter is trying to sell forces 82 percent of the Titan workers to become human guinea pigs. However, the tournament was embarrassing. I was embarrassed as someone who appreciates the talents and sacrifices wrestlers make to see this stuff. It wasn't ha-ha, let's watch Lex blow up like lots of fans do, this was a sad situation. Shoot, Luger kept up a pace in his match that put most of Titan's guys to shame."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave's been against that for the past 20 years and has been WAAAAAY more critical. It's these reddit/Bruce Prichard fans who just discovered Dave in the past 2-3 years that don't get that.

:y:

[Evil Vito]

Dave does not seem stupid enough to post the location of a confidential DV shelter. Did he really do that? So much for not having sources, aye? It seems he can find people that have gone into hiding.

He did. That was a really bad situation. Way more of an issue than this Royce stuff which is largely a big nothing burger.

[Evil Vito]

I don’t take issue with people calling out Dave when they thought he’d insulted one of their friends and co-workers. I’d have done the same thing. But his apology seemed genuine and his explanation made a lot of sense. That should’ve been the end of it. No need to pile on further.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree with you on the apology, but I also think that the piling on in the first place is opportunistic, mean-spirited and uneducated. It's left me very sour towards those individuals.

[Evil Vito]

Meh, if somebody says something about somebody I care about I'm always gonna fire back if I have reason to think what was said was bullshit.

[Loose Cannon]

I actually found the newsletter online. Here's what Meltzer had to say after Wrestlemania 4.


-- Steroids. "I joke about steroids all the time. I give guys funny nicknames and I suppose I'm the most hated person in the world among heavy steroid users in the wrestling business. However, I'm not trying to be funny here. It was totally embarrassing watching guys really try to work hard, which they aren't used to, and have every match but a few totally die within two minutes because one, and often both guys, couldn't keep up a decent pace for a five minute match. I don't even want to talk about health risks here, because nobody listens. I don't even want to blame the guys here, because the reality of what the promoter is trying to sell forces 82 percent of the Titan workers to become human guinea pigs. However, the tournament was embarrassing. I was embarrassed as someone who appreciates the talents and sacrifices wrestlers make to see this stuff. It wasn't ha-ha, let's watch Lex blow up like lots of fans do, this was a sad situation. Shoot, Luger kept up a pace in his match that put most of Titan's guys to shame."


:y: Luger was pretty awesome in 88.

[Loose Cannon]

I don’t take issue with people calling out Dave when they thought he’d insulted one of their friends and co-workers. I’d have done the same thing. But his apology seemed genuine and his explanation made a lot of sense. That should’ve been the end of it. No need to pile on further.

yeah i agree with this. I'm still not into the war of words over twitter where the entire world can see, but i get Royce and a few of her close friends firing back.

but the pile on was ridiculous. mind your business

[Loose Cannon]

Hilarious that Beth Phoenix and Fit are "disgusted" with this yet they were around and I guarantee didn't say shit during Piggy James and making fun of Vickie Guerrero's weight.

LOL right? when did wrestling and wrestlers become so sensitive?


You know if this was 20 years ago, Big Dave M might be on TV next Monday night with his new women bashing character. he'd be the biggest heel in the business

[Loose Cannon]

fuck and Rick Rude is rolling over in his grave right now. his whole gimmick was calling women fat sweathogs lol

[BigCrippyZ]

I think it's relatively safe to say that most of the talent involved in the "aftermath" of what Dave said are a complete bunch of hypocrites with (at best) no more credibility than Meltzer himself.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I think it's relatively safe to say that most of the talent involved in the "aftermath" of what Dave said are a complete bunch of hypocrites with (at best) no more credibility than Meltzer himself.

Pretty much this.

[Swiss Ultimate]

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[Bad News Gertner]

:y: Luger was pretty awesome in 88.

I 100% agree

[Fignuts]

I actually found the newsletter online. Here's what Meltzer had to say after Wrestlemania 4.


-- Steroids. "I joke about steroids all the time. I give guys funny nicknames and I suppose I'm the most hated person in the world among heavy steroid users in the wrestling business. However, I'm not trying to be funny here. It was totally embarrassing watching guys really try to work hard, which they aren't used to, and have every match but a few totally die within two minutes because one, and often both guys, couldn't keep up a decent pace for a five minute match. I don't even want to talk about health risks here, because nobody listens. I don't even want to blame the guys here, because the reality of what the promoter is trying to sell forces 82 percent of the Titan workers to become human guinea pigs. However, the tournament was embarrassing. I was embarrassed as someone who appreciates the talents and sacrifices wrestlers make to see this stuff. It wasn't ha-ha, let's watch Lex blow up like lots of fans do, this was a sad situation. Shoot, Luger kept up a pace in his match that put most of Titan's guys to shame."

lol he's not wrong. 80's WWF was my child hood brother, but getting through the first 7 wrestlemanias is a struggle.

[Bad News Gertner]

Don Muraco looked like he was about to have a stroke 2 minutes into his match at WM4

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think it's relatively safe to say that most of the talent involved in the "aftermath" of what Dave said are a complete bunch of hypocrites with (at best) no more credibility than Meltzer himself.

:y:

[Emperor Smeat]

LOL right? when did wrestling and wrestlers become so sensitive?


You know if this was 20 years ago, Big Dave M might be on TV next Monday night with his new women bashing character. he'd be the biggest heel in the business

Been like that for decades to varying degrees.

WCW once had Hogan burn a copy of the Observer's Newsletter live on air because they were upset at comments Meltzer made about Macho Man at the time.

[Ezra]

I only saw the lighter in nxt comment and thought he made a poor joke about her tit implants. The fact he said all this is just uncalled for -7 stars

[Bad News Gertner]

Been like that for decades to varying degrees.

WCW once had Hogan burn a copy of the Observer's Newsletter live on air because they were upset at comments Meltzer made about Macho Man at the time.

Lol have you ever seen the Herb Abrams version of the UWF where he was so mad at Dave for talking shit about his awful company that he created a jobber named "Davey Meltzer "

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Been like that for decades to varying degrees.

WCW once had Hogan burn a copy of the Observer's Newsletter live on air because they were upset at comments Meltzer made about Macho Man at the time.

Absolutely nothing to it though.

[Loose Cannon]

lol he's not wrong. 80's WWF was my child hood brother, but getting through the first 7 wrestlemanias is a struggle.

i don't know, me personally, i'd watch WM 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 over anything in the last 10 years. but i'm not really a fan of work rate as i am of the whole presentation. so seeing Savage vs Butch Reed actually does more for me then watching Daniel Bryan vs Miz or Seth Rollins or whatever

[Bad News Gertner]

Wrestlemania 1 is pretty sweet when you watch the television leading up to the event. Even watching the Brawl to End it All and The War To Settle The Score before watching WM1 gives you a different perspective on it. I don't watch any WWF past 1986 anymore lol

[Fignuts]

The character work is still miles above anything today, and its still a blast to watch all the promos. Ed Leslie had one of the most amazing voices ever BTW.

Once the bell rings though, the spectacle of big roided out dudes only goes so far for me. Even as kid, I was a hulkamaniac but my absolute favorites were Mr Perfect and Bret Hart because "their moves were cooler". Had I been an adult during that era, I probably would have been a snobby NWA fan lol

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah the cartooney roided up era doesn't hold up well at all. The in ring work takes a pretty big dive aside from the tag division in 1988. 1984-1985 is still may favourite era of the WWF.

[Loose Cannon]

well 89 NWA cannot be touched. that shit is incredible

[Fignuts]

Yeah the cartooney roided up era doesn't hold up well at all. The in ring work takes a pretty big dive aside from the tag division in 1988. 1984-1985 is still may favourite era of the WWF.

Yeah, I've been watching OSW Reviews commentaries of the early wrestlmanias and the tag teams definitely stood out during that era.

There was also a really great angle during a feud between Greg Valentine and Ronny Garvin where Garvin lost a career match to Valentine. But instead of going away, Garvin got a job as special guest ring announcer for valentine's match and just ran valentine down, calling him fat and stuff lol. Valentine gets him fired so next week he's a guest interviewer and does the same thing. Week after that, guest commentator. Garvin was wrestling at the next ppv again so I assume Valentine relented on the career ending match wager so he'd stop getting embarrassed by Garvin. It was fucking brilliant.

[Fignuts]

I like OSW Review because they regularly point out stuff that I had never really noticed before, like all the stupid faces that smash makes while ax is talking.

Or at a TNA event, the fan holding a "This is wrestling" sign during a stupid gimmick match with Christy Hemme rofl

[Malfeitor]

I can’t stand how pussified everyone has become.

[Bad News Gertner]

I like OSW Review because they regularly point out stuff that I had never really noticed before, like all the stupid faces that smash makes while ax is talking.

Or at a TNA event, the fan holding a "This is wrestling" sign during a stupid gimmick match with Christy Hemme rofl

Check out the Between The Sheets podcast. It's a long show but they timestamp everything so you can skip through the parts that don't interest you. Tons of interesting tidbits , plus they go over all the dirt sheets from the time period they are covering so it's interesting to see what Dave, Wade etc got right and wrong

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah, I've been watching OSW Reviews commentaries of the early wrestlmanias and the tag teams definitely stood out during that era.

There was also a really great angle during a feud between Greg Valentine and Ronny Garvin where Garvin lost a career match to Valentine. But instead of going away, Garvin got a job as special guest ring announcer for valentine's match and just ran valentine down, calling him fat and stuff lol. Valentine gets him fired so next week he's a guest interviewer and does the same thing. Week after that, guest commentator. Garvin was wrestling at the next ppv again so I assume Valentine relented on the career ending match wager so he'd stop getting embarrassed by Garvin. It was fucking brilliant.

Those matches are awesome if you haven't seen them . They beat the ever loving shit out of each other

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah, I've been watching OSW Reviews commentaries of the early wrestlmanias and the tag teams definitely stood out during that era.

There was also a really great angle during a feud between Greg Valentine and Ronny Garvin where Garvin lost a career match to Valentine. But instead of going away, Garvin got a job as special guest ring announcer for valentine's match and just ran valentine down, calling him fat and stuff lol. Valentine gets him fired so next week he's a guest interviewer and does the same thing. Week after that, guest commentator. Garvin was wrestling at the next ppv again so I assume Valentine relented on the career ending match wager so he'd stop getting embarrassed by Garvin. It was fucking brilliant.


Rubbish Ronnie Garbage lmfao

I've listened to OSW for years. It's honestly the fucking best.

[Stickman]

Why didnt Meltzer just apologize and say he was talking about her tits not her being fat?

[LibSuperstar]

Why didnt Meltzer just apologize and say he was talking about her tits not her being fat?

That'd probably come off worse.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That'd probably come off worse.

agreed. Although it's not his intention, it can be easily critical of a woman's choices with her body which will just dig him deeper into a hole.

[Evil Vito]

This is all dumb. Let’s all get drunk and play ping pong.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean it is what it is. He gave his enemies an inch and they're trying to take a mile.

[Ezra]

Why didnt Meltzer just apologize and say he was talking about her tits not her being fat?

That'd probably come off worse.

agreed. Although it's not his intention, it can be easily critical of a woman's choices with her body which will just dig him deeper into a hole.

He still would have caught shit forever either way but if he had made it about the tits I could see his point of view to a degree. I mean we are in the middle of a women's revolution and have been told the days of barbie dolls with million dollar enhancements are over so this is definitely the opposite of what they preach. Still, it's her body and if she got it for herself more power to her.

Just thank god he didn't say this about Jax lol.

[Seanny One Ball]

Dave Titzer

[Triple A]

Deadspin article speculating that some of the "outrage" and piling on by WWE wrestlers/employees could have maybe been opportunistically coordinated "from above" since McMahon h8s Meltzer... and WWE wrestlers' social media accounts are pretty curated

like Charlotte was on ESPN taking shots at Meltzer (un-named) yesterday, which is weird

https://deadspin.com/there-are-no-clean-hands-in-the-latest-wwe-twitter-blow-1828409695

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol shocking.

[DrA]

It's kind of sad that this all has to happen on the week we had the first woman commentate an episode of RAW Is WAR but I guess that's just the world we live in.

[Emperor Smeat]

Deadspin article speculating that some of the "outrage" and piling on by WWE wrestlers/employees could have maybe been opportunistically coordinated "from above" since McMahon h8s Meltzer... and WWE wrestlers' social media accounts are pretty curated

like Charlotte was on ESPN taking shots at Meltzer (un-named) yesterday, which is weird

https://deadspin.com/there-are-no-clean-hands-in-the-latest-wwe-twitter-blow-1828409695

This is, after all, a company that once accused Meltzer of defamation because he misunderstood their use of a pronoun on TV, subpoenaed him in a lawsuit that he was not party to in an effort to get him to give up sources, and is widely believed to have backed a recent revenge lawsuit against a podcaster—a suit that destroyed a decades-long friendship—among other things. Perhaps most ridiculously, Vince McMahon stole Frank Deford’s and his wife’s shoes because Deford’s The National Sports Daily featured critical WWE coverage from Meltzer. A WWE spokesperson did not reply to Deadspin’s request for comment on the Royce/Meltzer dust-up, for what it’s worth.
Vince stealing someone's shoes because he was pissed at Meltzer's writings is one of the funniest things I've ever read about wrestling.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Deadspin article speculating that some of the "outrage" and piling on by WWE wrestlers/employees could have maybe been opportunistically coordinated "from above" since McMahon h8s Meltzer... and WWE wrestlers' social media accounts are pretty curated

like Charlotte was on ESPN taking shots at Meltzer (un-named) yesterday, which is weird

https://deadspin.com/there-are-no-clean-hands-in-the-latest-wwe-twitter-blow-1828409695

highly unsurprising lol

[Savio]

Vince stole Frank Drebins shoes?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I love how much everyone sells for Meltzer. With all the shit the carnies talk, it just builds Dave's brand.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And given the fact that it's the entertainment business, I don't get why they're so rattled by a critic.

[Seanny One Ball]

Probably because the entertainment industry has an abundance of paid critics who can actually hurt a brand in an attempt to justify their own existence.

Entertainment critics are the very definition of overpaid and superfluous. Anyone getting paid to talk about someone else's work is getting it too easy to act like Dave Meltzer does. He's the not the garnish, not the dish. He's the somellier in a restaurant that doesn't stock wine.

I love a good critic but they lack practical value.

[Seanny One Ball]

That being said I wouldn't deny anyone their living if they are good enough at it. You don't single handedly drum up interest in your brand by being useless so any critic earning and creating discussion has to be worth their wage.

I am conflicted.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Deadspin article speculating that some of the "outrage" and piling on by WWE wrestlers/employees could have maybe been opportunistically coordinated "from above" since McMahon h8s Meltzer... and WWE wrestlers' social media accounts are pretty curated

like Charlotte was on ESPN taking shots at Meltzer (un-named) yesterday, which is weird

https://deadspin.com/there-are-no-clean-hands-in-the-latest-wwe-twitter-blow-1828409695

It had that feel to it. But I don't think Vince would even need to click and point. I think that people in the company genuinely believe the company's public line, which is weird and creepy.

Literally all those things that Charlotte said WWE doesn't do are things WWE does, haha.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave Meltzer probably has as much star power as any full-timer on the roster. If he came in for an angle or to do a match, it could be #2 or #3 at WrestleMania.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And they've done this to themselves. They wanted to throw out realism and kayfabe and then get upset when attempts to manipulate emotions en masse are rejected.

[Savio]

Dave Meltzer probably has as much star power as any full-timer on the roster. If he came in for an angle or to do a match, it could be #2 or #3 at WrestleMania.

..............:lol::lol:

[GD]

Jesus H. Christ, Noid :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I guarantee you that Vince McMahon vs. Dave Meltzer generates way more than buzz than Kevin Owens vs. Seth Rollins or whatever. 100%.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave also looks more physically imposing than half of them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

His promos would actually sound immediately more organic because, you know, he can't help himself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not saying it's a good thing that Vince McMahon challenging his biggest punter to a fight would be a bigger draw than anything produced from their full-time roster, by the way. I'm just saying that it would be.

[GD]

Please stop. This thread has run its course.

[Tom Guycott]

Why didnt Meltzer just apologize and say he was talking about her tits not her being fat?

That'd probably come off worse.

agreed. Although it's not his intention, it can be easily critical of a woman's choices with her body which will just dig him deeper into a hole.

I mean it is what it is. He gave his enemies an inch and they're trying to take a mile.

Dave Meltzer probably has as much star power as any full-timer on the roster. If he came in for an angle or to do a match, it could be #2 or #3 at WrestleMania.

Dave was originally going to talk explicitly about her enhanced funbags, and it was supposed to lead to an angle in WWE. Not for Wrestlemania, too far off. But penciled in around the all women's PPV.

But, y'know, plans change.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Please stop. This thread has run its course.

Fuck you, Guru Dave. Be more adorable.

[#1-norm-fan]

Goddammit, I love it when Noid says "fuck the haters" and tells it like it is.

https://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif

[Swiss Ultimate]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Goddammit, I love it when Noid says "fuck the haters" and tells it like it is.

https://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif

:kiss:

[Nicky Fives]

He clearly was referencing the boob job, but it today's social media climate, its very dangerous to critique anyone if you don't want to face the firestorm afterwards....

[Swiss Ultimate]

He clearly was referencing the boob job, but it today's social media climate, its very dangerous to critique anyone if you don't want to face the firestorm afterwards....

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