UFC 229: McGregor vs Khabib

[Savio]

Gonna watch tonight, anyone else?

[Savio]

All stoppages on the prelims from what I saw so far

[Jordan]

I enjoyed the FS1 show, anyone got that s t r e a m?

[Destor]

Trying to convince myself this is worth $65

[Destor]

Leaning toward no.

[slik]

Just tuned in

[slik]

stream i'm using

http://aliez.me/live/4p4bd5f8z8m018kb85x5/

[slik]

more streams here

https://www.batmanstream.tv/

[slik]

"Why did you take your pants off"

"My balls was hot"

LMAO

[slik]

This 2nd from last fight is crazy

[slik]

^^^

Ferguson vs Pettis, this is probably the most exciting UFC fight I have ever seen

[slik]

Fight had to stop at end of round 2 due to one guy breaking his hand from hitting the other guy so hard

So fast-paced and so much blood in this fight, it was nuts

[slik]

Main-event up next, Conor vs Khabib

[Emperor Smeat]

Did the main event start yet?

Only interested in watching the Connor fight because of the spectacle surrounding him recently.

[slik]

Nope, about to start r/n

video package playing before each guy enters the octagon

[Emperor Smeat]

Managed to tune in near the end of the hype videos.

[slik]

Conor doesn't look as confident as he usually does while entering

[Emperor Smeat]

Connor's "Vince McMahon" walk is great.

[slik]

That Vince walk really is hysterical

[Emperor Smeat]

Pretty boring 1st Round so far

[Emperor Smeat]

Fight's pretty much over now for Connor unless he pulls out a surprise KO or submission soon.

[Emperor Smeat]

Holy shit at Khabib jumping the fence.

[slik]

Khabib wins in round 4 and then picks a fight with a guy in the crowd,
I thought a riot was about to start

[slik]

Damn, Joe Rogan is pissed

[slik]

SMH at Khabib's teammate jumping Conor from behind post-fight

[Emperor Smeat]

Khabib wins in round 4 and then picks a fight with a guy in the crowd,
I thought a riot was about to start

Just as bad was one of his ring crew guys nailing Connor with a cheap shot.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeup White is pissed as hell at Khabib. Really smart to not let him continue to antagonize the crowd.

[Savio]

My stream died as Khabib was talking to Dana, did he get his belt?

No contest? DQ?

[slik]

This was basically the Austin/Hart double-turn

[slik]

Nope, Dana said he won't put the belt on him and had him escorted from the Octagon

[Savio]

Nope, Dana said he won't put the belt on him and had him escorted from the Octagon

Damn, woulda been awesome if Khabib snapped and put Dana in the ankle lock as the PPV went off the air.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All HELL has broken loose <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UFC229?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UFC229</a> <a href="https://t.co/ILaq4uRvvG">pic.twitter.com/ILaq4uRvvG</a></p>&mdash; Lei Anoa’i- Saifaleupolu ���� (@badvibesvrackin) <a href="https://twitter.com/badvibesvrackin/status/1048801394038169600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Savio]

Dana should have called out the locker room to separate those 2.

[GD]

Jesus Christ, that looked scary.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Why'd they let Bus destroyer McGreggor back in the UFC? This is the end of the UFC.

[IC Champion]

Stream?

[Frank Drebin]

So WWE and UFC have officially merged. Next fight will be a ladder match.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OHHHHH MY KHABIB DROPS MCGREGOR!!!!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UFC229?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UFC229</a> <a href="https://t.co/4rBF7QbRey">pic.twitter.com/4rBF7QbRey</a></p>&mdash; UFC (@ufc) <a href="https://twitter.com/ufc/status/1048796847613997056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Ezra]

Fucking dummies probably forgot mcgregor has enough money to make them vanish.

[slik]

The fight before the main-event was crazy too

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OHHHHHH HUGE shot from Pettis hurts Ferguson!!!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UFC229?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UFC229</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Showtimepettis?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ShowtimePettis</a> <a href="https://t.co/qcL4A5SxY7">pic.twitter.com/qcL4A5SxY7</a></p>&mdash; UFC (@ufc) <a href="https://twitter.com/ufc/status/1048786724581564416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Ezra]

The fight before the main-event was crazy too

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OHHHHHH HUGE shot from Pettis hurts Ferguson!!!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UFC229?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UFC229</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Showtimepettis?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ShowtimePettis</a> <a href="https://t.co/qcL4A5SxY7">pic.twitter.com/qcL4A5SxY7</a></p>&mdash; UFC (@ufc) <a href="https://twitter.com/ufc/status/1048786724581564416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fight of the night.

[slik]

Dana just needs to find his Rocky or Hulk Hogan to defeat the evil foreign heel brotherjackdude

[Savio]

Wonder if Khabib will be on this post show.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/I4stbYqXacY" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[slik]

Drake has CENA NUFF of Khabib lololol


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The rumours are true, Drake is out here looking for Khabib and his boys. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UFC229?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UFC229</a> <a href="https://t.co/KWIS2OjVLO">pic.twitter.com/KWIS2OjVLO</a></p>&mdash; The MMA Bible (@TheMMABible) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheMMABible/status/1048819416782258176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Khabib Nurmagomedov addressed the media and apologized to the Nevada State Athletic Commission for the altercation after he defeated Conor McGregor. <a href="https://t.co/VyRtCt8YmQ">pic.twitter.com/VyRtCt8YmQ</a></p>&mdash; SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1048840616510144512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Honestly, Dana has himself to blame. He let Conor run wild, throwing dollies through busses, injuring fighters and now acts "disgusted" at Khabib. The precedent was already set.

[Jordan]

Shit was a crazy. Wonder what the punishment will be. Should there be a rematch? I mean Khabib dominated except I'd say he lost round 3.

[Splaya]

I can see Khabib being stripped of the title

[Frank Drebin]

Jack Tunney will make an official announcement this week.

[Destor]

Better to "suspend" him for whatever the duration was to be between fights. Build Diaz up in the meantime. Conner i dunno. Prob needs to go up in weight. I dont think he's ever going to want a rematch.

[Sepholio]

Honestly, Dana has himself to blame. He let Conor run wild, throwing dollies through busses, injuring fighters and now acts "disgusted" at Khabib. The precedent was already set.

Accurate. If they punish Khabib with anything other than a slap on the wrist then you might as well throw in the towel because of the special treatment Conor gets. Conor should have never gotten this fight after the bus incident. UFC should have just ate the financial loss and cut ties right then and there. But you know Dana would never do that because he still has everyone convinced that UFC isn't just a giant set up.

Now if he punishes Khabib you are going to get the stereotypical "Look they let the white guy do whatever he wants and punish other people!" response. It'll turn into nonsensical race baiting and arguing when it was really just about money. The only way you can punish him at this point is if they legit just cut ties with Khabib and Conor both and say they are sick of all these childish antics and won't put up with it any more.

Also that video of Drake lmao.....Drake is the biggest pos poser ever I swear. Wish he woulda found Khabib and then got skullfucked by him.

[Frank Drebin]

What does this mean for Raw on Monday??

[Destor]

Drebin gets it

[Emperor Smeat]

Honestly, Dana has himself to blame. He let Conor run wild, throwing dollies through busses, injuring fighters and now acts "disgusted" at Khabib. The precedent was already set.
Pretty much this.

UFC has been trying to regain mainstream interest with their recent focus towards more escentric and wild fighters but forgot to reign them in once in a while so things don't get out of hand. Instead UFC is now seen like WWE with how carny things have become and just keeps taking hits to their image.


Accurate. If they punish Khabib with anything other than a slap on the wrist then you might as well throw in the towel because of the special treatment Conor gets ...

Now if he punishes Khabib you are going to get the stereotypical "Look they let the white guy do whatever he wants and punish other people!" response. It'll turn into nonsensical race baiting and arguing when it was really just about money. The only way you can punish him at this point is if they legit just cut ties with Khabib and Conor both and say they are sick of all these childish antics and won't put up with it any more.

Dana is pretty much taking the easy way out and letting the Nevada Commission handle this mess. If they slap him with a heavy punishment, it gives Dana the excuse to strip Khabib of the title and suspend or kick him out since he can say it was the Commission who forced his hand.

[RP]

Dana White is a joke of a GM or Speaking Piece for the UFC. He talks big, but has zero nuts to do what needs to be done as far a disciplinary reasons. The guy is way to close to the fighters. That or the UFC is in bad shape and he cant sit these fighters down due to financial loss.

[Reavant]

I had a feeling that when the Firtittas sold, the company would take a huge down turn.

They kept Dana in line, they didnt let the fighters run wild, and they were experts at a live production. Even in the days where this was a crazier sport, there was never a brawl like this.

UFC still might be the pinnacle, but it might have to deal with a much stronger bellator or other shows.

[RP]

I had a feeling that when the Firtittas sold, the company would take a huge down turn.

They kept Dana in line, they didnt let the fighters run wild, and they were experts at a live production. Even in the days where this was a crazier sport, there was never a brawl like this.

UFC still might be the pinnacle, but it might have to deal with a much stronger bellator or other shows.

There is a problem. The moment they didnt come down on Connor for his actions in that garage, gave it away.

Now Khabib does his thing and nothing is going to happen. It cant. Dana is an idiot.

[Jordan]

I wonder if they will do a 3 way dance with Tony Ferg vs Connor vs Khabib FOR THE TITLE.

[Reavant]

There is a problem. The moment they didnt come down on Connor for his actions in that garage, gave it away.

Now Khabib does his thing and nothing is going to happen. It cant. Dana is an idiot.

Im actually not too sure nothing will happen but as I think about it, I go back and forth.

This does make Khabib a huge draw now, and UFC wants to stay in russia, but Khabib also had a plan of beating mcgregor and walking away as well. He is also critical of Dana white and the UFC as a whole.

[Big Vic]

Wondering if Khabib will be stripped and just get an immediate rematch.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What does this mean for Raw on Monday??

Khabib v Connor and DA UNDERTAKER in an handicap match

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Drebin gets it

Someone argued with me that because "this was so personal" it couldn't be like pro wrestling, and Brock Lesnar's "Bud Light" promo was more pro wrestling.

I said the fact that it came off as so personal makes it BETTER pro wrestling. I don't think he got it. Not everyone is aware that pro wrestling events used to regularly end in riots, and because UFC has the benefit of being "real", it's much easier to run fucking awesome angles like this one.

Even if Khabib was genuine, the stage was set for him to run wild by McGregor in the case of a Khabib win, making interest for a rematch imminent even if Conor got his salad tossed.

[Destor]

Since the buy out they've been doing bigger and bigger angles. I think at some point you'll shit the bed but its no coincidence that the drama centers around the top draw. That's not an accident.

Boxing, Wrestling, MMA hell even Sumo. Its all a work on one level or another. UFC will be fine as long as they dont work too many fights themselves and leave it to the build up. (They have worked some finishes over the years but not near as much as Boxing for example.)

In any case Khabib has riot level heat and its good for everyone.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah, they can't work too many fights. Working angles for now is enough. They just run the risk of how much is too much?

Though working fights worked for PRIDE until the authorities "caught on" to them.

[Big Vic]

What was a worked finish in UFC?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

weird judging calls scream "fix" to me. Of which there have been too many to list.

[Destor]

According to Wanderlei Silva tons have been fixed. Lot of debate on which.

[Destor]

Lot damning evidence that the Lesnar Couture fight was fixed and Don Frye said that it and the second Mir fight was a work too

[Reavant]

Since the buy out they've been doing bigger and bigger angles. I think at some point you'll shit the bed but its no coincidence that the drama centers around the top draw. That's not an accident.

Boxing, Wrestling, MMA hell even Sumo. Its all a work on one level or another. UFC will be fine as long as they dont work too many fights themselves and leave it to the build up. (They have worked some finishes over the years but not near as much as Boxing for example.)

In any case Khabib has riot level heat and its good for everyone.

youre saying they have had fixed fights?

[Reavant]

weird judging calls scream "fix" to me. Of which there have been too many to list.

UFC doesnt pay, appoint, or control the judges. The problem with bad decisions is the lack of education and experience that the judges have. None have been in an MMA fight and most are boxing judges that have no idea what is happening on the ground.

According to Wanderlei Silva tons have been fixed. Lot of debate on which.

Wanderlei is sour grapes unless he is talking about pride.

Lot damning evidence that the Lesnar Couture fight was fixed and Don Frye said that it and the second Mir fight was a work too


How is a fight worked when the losing fighter has his face come out looking like hamburger?

Brock was an NCAA champion wrestler. He had the skills to beat both couture and mir. Mir had some good wins, but it was clear he was never good enough to hang with the best in the division after the second brock fight.

Couture was horrendously out sized against a man with a ton of skill. He was out sized by sylvia too, but he was able to daze him in the opening seconds and outside of striking, sylvia didnt have a lot of skill. Gonzaga was not much bigger than randy.

[Destor]

Lol

Worked doesnt mean fake. Doesnt mean you dont hit one another. That's what will keep MMAs kayfabe much longer (like boxing) than wrestling and sumo. They play mich rougher.

But if you honestly think there's that much money on the line and people arent taking dives i dont know what to tell you.

[Reavant]

What fights do you think people took dives?

Boxing is different because there is no follow up on a knock down, but you see guys flatlined on the ground in mma.

Dives at the highest levels with the money on the line that you are thinking would be exposed fast and there would be way more people talking about it outside of wanderlei's sour grapes and don fry

[Destor]

Sure man

[Reavant]

Well dont just "sure man" give some sort of example

[Big Vic]

I can't think of one fight in the UFC that was "Fixed"

Someone could argue Ortiz vs Sonnen in Bellator or anything with involving Kimbo in EliteXC but I can't think of a fixed UFC fight.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

which means they're good at fixing fights. I'd guess it's a very low % of fights that are fixed. But to think they don't fix fights is naive, given the ENTIRE history of fighting.

[Big Vic]

Reavant don't argue with Dale he thinks men should be sent to prison for sex crimes even if there is no evidence of it ever occurring.

;)

[Big Vic]

All jokes aside-

Who is fixing the fights? Has Dana been fixing the low percentage of fights? What fights do you expect to have been fixed?

[Reavant]

which means they're good at fixing fights. I'd guess it's a very low % of fights that are fixed. But to think they don't fix fights is naive, given the ENTIRE history of fighting.

Which is why I dont think the ufc has ever fixed a fight from the organizational level.

It would be a little naive to think fighters themselves may have bet for or against themselves, however losing a fight you can win is going to keep more money out of your pocket in the long run than a single bet ever would pay you.

UFC wanted a legitimate sport. One fixed fight by them ruins their entire credibility and everything they have worked 25 years for. At the very least, I am willing to say that there has not been an organization fight fix since the Firtittas owned it.

If they wanted to fix fights, connor would never lose, brock would never lose, and they wouldnt have instituted USADA.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I watched the Shane Carwin v Lesnar match on tv recently enough, and how Carwin didn't win in that first round by demolishing Lesnar and gassing himself in the process is mind boggling.

Lesnar was toast. Fights had have been called for less. You could see why someone would think there's a fix in to keep a guy who's a huge draw and star over as the company's top champ.

[Seanny One Ball]

Nope, Dana said he won't put the belt on him and had him escorted from the Octagon

Why'd they let Bus destroyer McGreggor back in the UFC? This is the end of the UFC.

That Dana White has any influence in the running of the UFC is the reason the sport will never be nationalised. He's a disgrace to the company and he's obviously a crook.
Personally I lost interest years ago long before Conor got involved but seeing a little twat like him earning millions despite his behaviour is pretty much proof that Dana White runs the UFC just like the boxing promoters he hates so much. The guy is a complete arsehole.

Fucking dummies probably forgot mcgregor has enough money to make them vanish.


To make Russians disappear you have to be Russian.

[Frank Drebin]

Huge brawl to end the show so cliche. No one even went through a table.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

UFC wanted a legitimate sport.



Hmm... their choice of president suggests otherwise.

[Reavant]

I watched the Shane Carwin v Lesnar match on tv recently enough, and how Carwin didn't win in that first round by demolishing Lesnar and gassing himself in the process is mind boggling.

Lesnar was toast. Fights had have been called for less. You could see why someone would think there's a fix in to keep a guy who's a huge draw and star over as the company's top champ.

Thats a referee decision. And referees are picked by the commission and the UFC has no influence over them. If they did, you would never see problem refs like steve masigatti running around letting fighters die, but he still regularly refs UFC.

Now, referees generally give fighters in championship matches the benefit 9f the doubt. That said, your lesnar reference is not a great one as he was showing signs of defending himself, and carwin was slowing down with every punch.

[Reavant]

Hmm... their choice of president suggests otherwise.

Not really. He was part of it from the beginning and has had a huge part in getting them to where they are now.

If his actions are what worries you, Look at the president of the United states lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Not really. He was part of it from the beginning and has had a huge part in getting them to where they are now.

If his actions are what worries you, Look at the president of the United states lol

Who Dana fully supports. I've been a fan since '05, which I get is short for some, but I've seen Dana's progression and he's proven himself to be nothing short of an obnoxious huckster. Yeah, he's hard working, but he has little to no integrity.

[poopfromweiner dude]

wow dale love chuck liddel much

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

shutup cuckboy.

[Reavant]

Who Dana fully supports. I've been a fan since '05, which I get is short for some, but I've seen Dana's progression and he's proven himself to be nothing short of an obnoxious huckster. Yeah, he's hard working, but he has little to no integrity.

Cant disagree

[Big Vic]

I disagree a bit. Compared to other promotions he has shown more integrity for what goes on inside the 'ring'.

[Seanny One Ball]

No that's not true, he hasn't. Dana White regularly degrades and fires fighters who put their bodies on the line for fuck all. He's a complete knob.
Dana White thinks he is the brand, not the UFC. He's a terrible ambassador, all you have to do is listen to him talk about some of his former champions and look back at the shit he has put ordinary people filling out his cards through over merchandising situations, injuries, things they say in the media...

All of the worst traits of boxing and pro wrestling promoters comprise his character.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

No that's not true, he hasn't. Dana White regularly degrades and fires fighters who put their bodies on the line for fuck all. He's a complete knob.
Dana White thinks he is the brand, not the UFC. He's a terrible ambassador, all you have to do is listen to him talk about some of his former champions and look back at the shit he has put ordinary people filling out his cards through over merchandising situations, injuries, things they say in the media...

All of the worst traits of boxing and pro wrestling promoters comprise his character.

:y:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Dana (the day Conor threw dolly through bus, paraphrased): Reprehensible, criminal, disgusting. What Conor did was WRONG!

Dana (the day after Conor threw dolly through bus, paraphrased): Well you know, that's just Conor being Conor.

[Savio]

I agree with everything said above, but that is stuff that goes on outside of the ring.

I feel like EliteXC and Bellator has not always shown respect to the sport inside of the ring (more so EliteXC).

[Seanny One Ball]

I agree with everything said above, but that is stuff that goes on outside of the ring.

I feel like EliteXC and Bellator has not always shown respect to the sport inside of the ring (more so EliteXC).



You're obviously talking about Elite XC's supposed history of incentivising performance bonuses regarding Kimbo's opponents but the UFC likely has had more dodgy matches in a year than EliteXC did in their entire run.

Macias/Taktarov is a favourite of mine. Jim Brown stops just short of outright calling it a fix in the commentary.
Mark Hall actually threw fights. UFC was born as a completely set-up tournament where each fighter was hand picked to lose to Royce Gracie. UFC has never grown in that regard. Most champions are given the Rocky 3 treatment until they get Clubbered.
It wasn't just Pride and Elite XC doing it. UFC definitely holds fighters back and interferes in their rankings to avoid certain match ups. Conor McGregor should have fought a decent BJJ guy earlier but they saved it and he lost badly to the perennially awesome Nate Diaz. Nate Diaz is about as marketable as candles on the sun so they made them fight again until Diaz lost.
Now Conor's a multi millionaire getting chances to earn even more just by being a penis outside of the ring.

I was a huge fan for years but I stopped entirely about six years ago. The whole thing is too corrupted by Dana White's interference.

[Big Vic]

Dana became president of the company in 2001 the fight you mentioned and the Tourneys happened before that.

The Nate Diaz/Conor point you made is not about the action inside the ring but outside. Which I agree that happens a lot Sonnen/Jones, DC/Brock, etc.

But once the fighters get in the ring you don't hear of anything that would taint the sport. You don't hear of Dana offering 'Fighter X' more money to stand with 'Fighter Y' instead of going to the ground, etc.

[Seanny One Ball]

I'm aware of that, I was giving you a history lesson in the nature of the UFC. It has literally always been at best a cherry pick and at worst outright fraud. There are plenty of decent, fair fights but when it comes down to it there are almost as many worrying examples of exploitation.

You keep saying that Dana White has never done anything to the action inside the ring but you're talking shite. Look at the CM Punk disaster. Dana White allowed that to happen, paid millions for it and then went out of his way to belittle the spectacle that unfolded in the cage. Twice. Putting an unknown quantity in against real fighters is crazy talk at this stage in the game. Freak show fights are not helping anybody.
Before that we had James Toney in the cage. A man visibly and audibly ruined by CTE.

I can pull out fucking hundreds of these incidents. He can't physically ruin a fight inside the cage but he regularly allows injured guys, no talent guys and outrageously unfit or injured people to participate. I say allow but often it's pure pressure, he gets these guys under contract and they get treated worse than the WWE lockeroom.

Look at the list of fighters trying to sue UFC for the way they ended up afterwards. Nate Quarry's face is held together by a titanium mesh. But yeah he sure could take a punch.

[Seanny One Ball]

Big Vic basing his entire theory around EliteXC's alleged preferable treatment of Kimbo Slice.

UFC hired Kimbo, did you ever see the Houston Alexander fight? He had to have been paid off. 15 minutes of Ring a Rosies

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

in fairness, Houston blew a bag of dicks as a fighter.

[Seanny One Ball]

He was still capable of smashing Kimbo Slice into oblivion. Houston had wins against Keith Jardine and Alessio Sakara... two of the heavier handed fighters of the time. If Houston had fought as he usually did he was either KO'ing Kimbo or getting laid out trying.

Houston literally danced sideways around the ring for 15 minutes. I think Houston was told not to do a damned thing in that match.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He'd just taken at least one if not two really bad KOs because he had 0 ground game. He was tentative because he lost his confidence after taking the Ls. It was just a plain sad fight.

[Seanny One Ball]

Sure. It had nothing to do with UFC desperately trying to reignite the dying interest in Kimbo at all.

[Seanny One Ball]

He'd just taken at least one if not two really bad KOs because he had 0 ground game. He was tentative because he lost his confidence after taking the Ls. It was just a plain sad fight.



Do you mean Kimbo here? What does Kimbo not wanting to be taken down have to do with Houston running away for 15 minutes? Kimbo was actually pressing the fight. Houston did absolutely nothing.
Houston could have taken him down too, he almost certainly got told not to though.

[Seanny One Ball]

Let's not talk about Kimbo ever again after this. This is how it always ends. Kimbo gets the last laugh yet again.

[Savio]

It's been awhile since I saw that fight. Wasn't Alexanders plan to throw a bunch of leg kicks because Kimbo had Arthritis in his knees?

It made for a boring fight but that was his plan.


On the James Toney note it's not like he was retired, He has won boxing titles after the Couture fight.

[Seanny One Ball]

If by a bunch you mean a handful of times then yes. He didn't do much in the way of attacking. This wasn't Pat Barry.

Say it was legit and both guys were just reticent to fight. Surely that further supports my point about Dana pushing dudes into situations they have no place being in. Kimbo won that fight and it was like "great, now we get to see someone actually fucking kill him" and for what?

Kimbo was just in there to draw interest and there was little care given to the shocking state his body was in. He had the knees of an 80 year old, the skill of a backyard brawler and the appeal of looking like a muscle bound badass. That sort of fighter wasn't even invited to UFC 1 when the freak element was high.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Do you mean Kimbo here? What does Kimbo not wanting to be taken down have to do with Houston running away for 15 minutes? Kimbo was actually pressing the fight. Houston did absolutely nothing.
Houston could have taken him down too, he almost certainly got told not to though.

I was talking Houston. I remember Thiago Silva specifically exposing him as bush league. Think someone tossed him after that too.

[Savio]

He landed 32 leg kicks out of 44. More than an handful.

http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-details/de2328aa13e5ecdc

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Dana White, UFC won't strip Khabib of his title although its all based on him thinking he's only getting a 4-6 month suspension and nothing more serious. He also thinks Nevada Commission was too harsh on withholding Khabib's fight purse and possibly keeping it as part of his punishments.

Both Khabib and Conor got hit with an initial 10 days suspension while the Commission sorts through their mess.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So Alexander after surprising Jardine and Sakarra (who is honestly shit) lost three of four and was actually let go and had fought his previous fight outside of the UFC. All his losses coming via humiliating fashion. He was probably at the right level to fight Slice tbh. In saying that, Slice was a fucking embarrassment.

[Seanny One Ball]

He landed 32 leg kicks out of 44. More than an handful.

http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-details/de2328aa13e5ecdc



They weren't hard kicks. Kimbo just had bird legs.

[Savio]

https://i.imgflip.com/xt58h.jpg

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol Savio... you are the most annoying person to debate with on this site. However, this is obviously your goal(post) so I say it as a compliment.

[Big Vic]

"The UFC fixes fights"

"This one fight was fixed"

"Alexander didn't throw many leg kicks"

"His leg kicks were soft"

[Reavant]

:nono:

[Seanny One Ball]

"The UFC fixes fights"

"This one fight was fixed"

"Alexander didn't throw many leg kicks"

"His leg kicks were soft"


Is that the best effort you can give it?! Fucking hell you're an idiot.


What I mean to say is you're a moron and that's a proven fact. Twisting my words isn't going to make you any less stupid Vic. This isn'teven about fixing fights, it's about blatant perversion of contest.
UFC has always done it.

The point about Kimbo was that every fed that used him treated him as a commodity, as they do with marketable fighters with no ability.

No point discussing this with someone as stupid as you anyway.

[Seanny One Ball]

https://i.imgflip.com/xt58h.jpg



You moved the goalposts son, not me. I just cover my bases. Have you even seen the fight? I could kick my gran that many times to zero effect.

[Big Vic]

My goalpost has always been Dana is a dickhead to the sport outside of the ring but inside of the ring he treats the sport fine.

Your gran must have stronger knees than Kimbo. But I don't believe that, upload a video of you kickin your Grandma 32 times.

[Seanny One Ball]

On the James Toney note it's not like he was retired, He has won boxing titles after the Couture fight.


Do you have a fucking brain tumour?

How is it possible to miss the point so completely and to retain any level of self satisfaction? You have to be dying from the inside out because this is abject.

[Seanny One Ball]

I'll upload a video of you missing 32 points in order to point out a minor inaccuracy that bears no impact on the topic in hand.

[Big Vic]

Is that the best effort you can give it?! Fucking hell you're an idiot.


What I mean to say is you're a moron and that's a proven fact. Twisting my words isn't going to make you any less stupid Vic. This isn'teven about fixing fights, it's about blatant perversion of contest.
UFC has always done it.

The point about Kimbo was that every fed that used him treated him as a commodity, as they do with marketable fighters with no ability.

No point discussing this with someone as stupid as you anyway.

I disagree a bit. Compared to other promotions he has shown more integrity for what goes on inside the 'ring'.

I agree with everything said above, but that is stuff that goes on outside of the ring.

I feel like EliteXC and Bellator has not always shown respect to the sport inside of the ring (more so EliteXC).


The Nate Diaz/Conor point you made is not about the action inside the ring but outside. Which I agree that happens a lot Sonnen/Jones, DC/Brock, etc.

But once the fighters get in the ring you don't hear of anything that would taint the sport. You don't hear of Dana offering 'Fighter X' more money to stand with 'Fighter Y' instead of going to the ground, etc.

My goalpost has always been Dana is a dickhead to the sport outside of the ring but inside of the ring he treats the sport fine.

[Big Vic]

Who Dana fully supports. I've been a fan since '05, which I get is short for some, but I've seen Dana's progression and he's proven himself to be nothing short of an obnoxious huckster. Yeah, he's hard working, but he has little to no integrity.

I disagree a bit. Compared to other promotions he has shown more integrity for what goes on inside the 'ring'.

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah you're completely wrong as usual Vic. I'm not denying you said any of that because it shows you don't have a clue so feel free to quote yourself any time. It's all a load of shite.

[Seanny One Ball]

I don't think you know what you mean Vic. You seem to think Dana would have to walk into the cage and fist himself to undermine the current product but I'd suggest that would be more entertaining and more competitive than any of his freak show fight ideas.

[Big Vic]

UFC hired Kimbo, did you ever see the Houston Alexander fight? He had to have been paid off. 15 minutes of Ring a Rosies


Lol what a fucking stupid thing to say why would UFC want that AT ALL?

[Big Vic]

I don't think you know what you mean Vic. You seem to think Dana would have to walk into the cage and fist himself to undermine the current product but I'd suggest that would be more entertaining and more competitive than any of his freak show fight ideas.

I would say Dana would have to go to fighters and tell them to 'not go to the ground when they are facing a brawler' or try to repeat the professional wrestling spectacle Kimbo/Shamrock was...... or hire Bob Sapp.

He hasn't done any of that. And has never credibly been accused of that.

[Seanny One Ball]

Lol what a fucking stupid thing to say why would UFC want that AT ALL?



Why would EliteXC want it? Why is it ok for you to point fingers at EliteXC's closure being at the hands of Kimbo's mismanagement yet ludicrous for me to pick his worst UFC fight and raise an eyebrow years after me and everybody else already had reservations about it?!

You hinge your entire belief that Dana doesn't harm in-ring competition on what?! That a completely different federation once was suspected of favouring Kimbo because of a one-off comment Seth Petrizelli said?

You're a buffoon.

[Seanny One Ball]

I would say Dana would have to go to fighters and tell them to 'not go to the ground when they are facing a brawler' or try to repeat the professional wrestling spectacle Kimbo/Shamrock was...... or hire Bob Sapp.

He hasn't done any of that. And has never credibly been accused of that.



So you're a naive Dana fanboy.

I see now.

[Seanny One Ball]

"If I ain't heard it it can't be true!"

[Seanny One Ball]

Here's a cryptic clue for you Vic. Which federation made more money from Kimbo? Who's investment was greater?

Hmmmmm?!

[Big Vic]

Where do you buy your tin foil hats from? Or do you make them yourself.

[Big Vic]

Here's a cryptic clue for you Vic. Which federation made more money from Kimbo? Who's investment was greater?

Hmmmmm?!
EliteXC

[Seanny One Ball]

Well if you're just going to be silly about it then I might as well take my hats and leave.

[Seanny One Ball]

Vic while I'm not impressed by your behaviour here I do feel the need to publicly acknowledge that you annoyed me enough to neg you twice... to which you responded with the never-fail-guilt-rider the return positive rep.

Well done. You have bested me in this moment in time. I will return to not negging people as my status quo for that rep has turned to ashes in my mouth.

[Big Vic]

:cool:

#LoveTrumpsHate

[Emperor Smeat]

According to ESPN, both Conor and Khabib are looking at an indefinite suspension from the Nevada Commission. Official decision to be made on October 24th.

Khabib also threatened to leave UFC if one of his teammates is fired by the company.

[Frank Drebin]

We should merge this with the Raw thread next week.

[Big Vic]

What did Conor do wrong?

[Emperor Smeat]

What did Conor do wrong?

The Commission was upset he climbed the cage to go after Khabib and might have provoked the attack on him afterwards.

[Frank Drebin]

Lumberjack match would be the perfect stip for the rematch.

[Savio]

Funny that not one of these fights featured UFC........... hmmm





<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-epiwivNyvM" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Emperor Smeat]

Nevada Commission finally got around to handing out punishments for the post-show brawl.

Nurmagomedov got a 9 month suspension with a retroactive start of October 2018 and the ability to appeal for a 6 month suspension if he agrees to film an anti-bullying PSA video. Was also given a $500k fine.

His stable mates Abubakar Nurmagomedov and Zubaira Tukhugov were hit with 1 year suspensions and $25k fines each. ESPN reported Khabib isn't expected to fight again till their suspensions are over which could put the UFC Lightweight title on hold for a year.

McGregor got hit with a 6 month suspension with a similar retroactive start but no appeal allowed. Also got fined $50k and warned if he pulls any similar pre-fight antics in the future, he will get fined for them.