RAW THREAD -- 10.22.18

[Sepholio]

#owenbrown4mod

[Tom Guycott]

I would also like to point out that it took Roman Reigns getting cancer for him to finally get over.

"Why didn't I think of this as a work sooner?!?" Vince McMahon.

[slik]

After tonight...


Top RAW Faces:
Braun Strowman, Seth Rollins, Elias and Finn Balor


Top RAW Heels:
Drew McIntyre, Dean Ambrose, Baron Corbin and Bobby Lashley

[Mr. Nerfect]

What weird times we live in.

[Droford]

Wonder which WWE superstar will announce he has testicular/prostate cancer next June

[Savio]

Droford I think you need to take the night off.

[Droford]

The #1 thing that will probably piss everyone off about Evolution on Sunday is when Becky and Charlotte wrestle in the first hour

[Savio]

TDO: "Droford isn't being insulting because Roman does have cancer"

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;What a coward, Monsoon! Rollins just jumped out of the ring to run away from Ambrose!&quot;<br>&quot;WILL YOU STOP!?&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAW</a></p>&mdash; WWF Prime Time Today (@WWFPrimeTimeNow) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWFPrimeTimeNow/status/1054570349969502210?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Droford]

The #1 thing is Amvroses heel reign lasts as long as Romans Leukemia cause when Roman comes back he's going to kill Dean

[xrodmuc316]

Rollins to come out next week "heartbroken" and ask if this was all about the IC Title and offer it to Ambrose for their "friendship."

Man I don't know, Dean was saying weird stuff during that beat down, "you think it's funny now, say it again" etc.

I have a bad feeling WWE is gonna use Roman's health to push this feud in an uncomfortably "Eddie Guerrero is in hell" low kind of way.

[Droford]

They better put Ambrose on SD

[xrodmuc316]

If people can keep PEDs and weed-dirty piss under wraps, among other aspects that aren't neccessarily health related, this isn't so farfetched. Not everything is TMZ bait. Sometimes, people can actually keep their mouths shut and abide by HIPAA.

Right but those are negative things they do to themselves. A college athlete of his caliber, 1st team All-Acc, fighting and beating cancer at 22, those are the good kind of stories everybody likes to hear, and for good reason.

I hope he beats it again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Man I don't know, Dean was saying weird stuff during that beat down, "you think it's funny now, say it again" etc.

I have a bad feeling WWE is gonna use Roman's health to push this feud in an uncomfortably "Eddie Guerrero is in hell" low kind of way.

I can't work out the context of what that means, haha. Maybe they're just trying to make him a "crazy" heel, which, I dunno -- it doesn't appeal to me.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I did just have a weird thought. They were building around Reigns for so long. They probably knew they were going to before they even called him up, but it's been something they've been working towards since Brock beat Taker at WrestleMania. They might just put the Universal Title on Braun and say "he's the guy now!", but there is really no way they could have prepared for this.

I wonder if this could potentially have ramifications on the roster split? I dunno, I can just see them going it "all hands on deck mode" since they really don't have "the guy" now and loading up Raw with your AJ Styleses, Daniel Bryans, Randy Ortons, Jeff Hardys, etc. I mean, last I checked AJ Styles was just behind Roman Reigns in terms of merchandise moved. I can see them wanting that dude on Raw because you can't just will Braun or Seth into do the same numbers just because Roman's not there and one of them beats Brock too.

But maybe they can or will try.

[xrodmuc316]

I can't work out the context of what that means, haha. Maybe they're just trying to make him a "crazy" heel, which, I dunno -- it doesn't appeal to me.

Right, did he snap cause of Roman? Does he blame Seth? He seemed confused with himself after the first dirty deeds. Then almost remorseful, then psychotic.

I just don't like the idea of using the illness to advance storylines, it just seems in bad taste to me.

[xrodmuc316]

I do have to wonder if WWE considered the risk of this hanging over Roman. They have been hesitant in the past to fully go with guys like Daniel Bryan for being seen as injury prone, or Jeff Hardy for being untrustworthy to not get suspended.

Seems they would have known this could return at some point, so to not be cautious about this seems out of character for how they have done things for at least 15 years.

[Sepholio]

Think they are going to play it as Dean seeing the way Seth was celebrating as him caring more about the titles than about Roman. Dean seemed like he was more somber and not feeling like celebrating but Rollins was super stoked. Then he threw the titles at him at was like "here since this is all you seem to care about".

Of course Rollins is going to try and play it off and work through it under the guise that Dean just needed an outlet for his emotions....even though that doesn't make any sense.....but WWE so.

[Sepholio]

To think Roman was juicing (or at the very least rumored to be juicing) when he knew he had a history of Leukemia. Fucking crazy. I'd think a person would not want to be adding to their health risks like that given that history.

[Emperor Smeat]

I did just have a weird thought. They were building around Reigns for so long. They probably knew they were going to before they even called him up, but it's been something they've been working towards since Brock beat Taker at WrestleMania. They might just put the Universal Title on Braun and say "he's the guy now!", but there is really no way they could have prepared for this.

I wonder if this could potentially have ramifications on the roster split? I dunno, I can just see them going it "all hands on deck mode" since they really don't have "the guy" now and loading up Raw with your AJ Styleses, Daniel Bryans, Randy Ortons, Jeff Hardys, etc. I mean, last I checked AJ Styles was just behind Roman Reigns in terms of merchandise moved. I can see them wanting that dude on Raw because you can't just will Braun or Seth into do the same numbers just because Roman's not there and one of them beats Brock too.

But maybe they can or will try.
Supposedly they are grooming Drew McIntyre to be the next potential big star because Vince recently remembered why he held high views of him during his first run in the company.

Only reason he didn't become a major star the first time around was due to Vince's antiquated views on masculinity and a domestic incident that revealed Drew's wife was the dominate one of the couple. Similar to why Vince's soured on Morrison since Melina was the more dominate one in the relationship.

[xrodmuc316]

To think Roman was juicing (or at the very least rumored to be juicing) when he knew he had a history of Leukemia. Fucking crazy. I'd think a person would not want to be adding to their health risks like that given that history.

I can see that point, but I can also see the thought process being "I know this could come back, so why not."

I don't know if there is anything that says steroids increase your odds of getting Leukemia or not, but if not I can certainly understand the thinking of wanting to build yourself up as strongly as you can.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Think they are going to play it as Dean seeing the way Seth was celebrating as him caring more about the titles than about Roman. Dean seemed like he was more somber and not feeling like celebrating but Rollins was super stoked. Then he threw the titles at him at was like "here since this is all you seem to care about".

Of course Rollins is going to try and play it off and work through it under the guise that Dean just needed an outlet for his emotions....even though that doesn't make any sense.....but WWE so.

Oh man, if they go that route...fucking terrible, haha.

[Destor]

To think Roman was juicing (or at the very least rumored to be juicing) when he knew he had a history of Leukemia. Fucking crazy. I'd think a person would not want to be adding to their health risks like that given that history.

Streoids treat leukemia

[Tom Guycott]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;What a coward, Monsoon! Rollins just jumped out of the ring to run away from Ambrose!&quot;<br>&quot;WILL YOU STOP!?&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAW</a></p>&mdash; WWF Prime Time Today (@WWFPrimeTimeNow) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWFPrimeTimeNow/status/1054570349969502210?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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"act of cowardism"

[Sepholio]

Streoids treat leukemia

Steroids treat a lot of things. There are also a lot of different kinds of steroids. I'm not sure if the kind someone would be using to juice and the kind you take when you get sick are the same thing. I could be wrong, I know jack shit about the different kinds of steroids other than that they exist.

[Sepholio]

I'm coming at it from the standpoint that the kind of roids athletes take can cause heart issues in a lot of cases when you use them to get jacked. I personally would want to take as little risk as possible with my heart if I had ever suffered from leukemia seeing as it is a type of blood cancer. I'd be eating healthy, exercising, not smoking or drinking, etc. That's just me though.

[xrodmuc316]

I found an older article from a few years ago where he alluded to it:

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/wwe-s-roman-reigns-ready-to-prove-his-critics-wrong-at-wrestlemania-31-210550571.html

Anoa’i went undrafted but was signed by the Minnesota Vikings, and he said he was extremely close to making the team.

“I was right there,” he said. “I was as close as you can imagine. It just slipped through the fingers. It wasn’t meant to be. I signed, went to rookie camp. But I didn’t pass my physical. I had some medical things going on. I’m convinced I could have made the team.”

Anoa’i’s medical situation has long-since cleared up, but the lingering disappointment stuck with him."

Found a little more info:

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Article/Vikings-Release-Two-Linemen-104423743/

This article has quoted from his agent at the time.

"According to Anoai's agent, Jim Ulrich, Anoai had an injury that didn't allow him to participate in the team's organized team activities last week. The Vikings reported Anoai's absence as being for "personal reasons."

On Tuesday, Ulrich said he was hopeful that Anoai would be able to participate in this weekend's minicamp, but he confirmed Wednesday that undrafted rookie would be released.

"I can't get into what his medical condition is," Ulrich said.

Ulrich said it is possible Anoai could get the medical issue cleared up in a few weeks and then look to sign with the Vikings or another team before training camp. "

He was signed in the beginning of May after going undrafted and participated in rookie mini camp. The date of his release was May 30th, 2007.

Then according to the following article, he signed with the Jaguars on August 26th, 2007:

http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Wrestling/2013/10/07/21177661.html


If those dates are correct, and the "medical issue" was the leukemia, then that could give a rough estimate on the timeframe, as he was evidently healthy after 3 months to get cleared and signed by another NFL team.

I would imagine he wasn't at top strength after chemo, which is why he probably got cut after a week, but still he wouldn't have been signed at all if he wasn't in full remission.

So hoping all goes well and the docs can get him back into remission, it is possible that a best case scenario is him being back at the Royal Rumble, which is a little more than 3 months away.

[Volare]

Reigns and Lesnar both with the Vikings.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Reigns and Lesnar both with the Vikings.

I remember having quite the laugh when Brock's jersey number with Minnesota was revealed to be 69.

Also, I don't think that state would've been big enough for him and Brett "I'll try anything once" Favre.

[DAMN iNATOR]

https://www.blowoutcards.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/brock-lesnar-nfl.jpg

[Sixx]

https://www.blowoutcards.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/brock-lesnar-nfl.jpg

This is what he looked like 20 years ago?

If you told me that's been taken this week, I would have believed.

[Evil Vito]

This is what he looked like 20 years ago?

If you told me that's been taken this week, I would have believed.

2004 right after he left WWE

[Sixx]

2004 right after he left WWE

Ah, ok. Thought it said 1999 on the side.

[Innovator]

Ah, ok. Thought it said 1999 on the side.

Y2K hit Minnesota hard

[Anybody Thrilla]

This show was just surreal.

[Droford]

Next week spoiler for RAW

https://i.redd.it/py1s96snj1u11.jpg

[Splaya]

This show was just surreal.

Going from Roman’s announcement to Dean and Seth winning the tag titles should have been an emotional high for the Shield. But then for Dean to turn his back on Roman and then heel. There was always going to be moments where he turned and he was actually going to be cheered. But for them to pull the trigger on the turn on this night was absolutely perfect.

[Splaya]

Also knowing that he made the announcement when very few people knew why he was going out there shows the level of respect Vince and company have for Roman. I’m sure the only four people who knew were HHH, Vince, Seth, and Dean. The commentary team didn’t know before hand allegedly and you could tell. Corey Graves was speechless and completely off his game

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Watched the turn on YouTube and agree that it was perfectly executed. In almost any other scenario, Ambrose gets a pop. Doing it the night of almost guaranteed the reaction they eventually got

[Big Vic]

I agree. Building to a heel turn never really works, they have to be quick.

I remember they tried to build Dolphs heel turn for months and then when he finally turned he got a huge pop.