Breaking: Dean Ambrose leaving WWE confirmed (Update - Pg. 2)

[slik]

Biggest news story Wade Keller has broken in some time




Dean Ambrose, a main event wrestler for WWE since debuting with The Shield in 2012, has given his notice to WWE that he will be finishing up when his current contract expires at the end of April, according to three PWTorch sources. He broke the news to management this weekend, including directly in a meeting with Vince McMahon, after being offered a new contract and a raise weeks ago.


He is expected to finish up shortly after WrestleMania, although it’s possible WWE would write him out of storylines sooner. This could explain why he was rather unceremoniously eliminated from the Royal Rumble on Sunday night and did a clean job to Seth Rollins on TV on Raw last night.


Sources tell PWTorch that Ambrose has been long frustrated with the creative direction of his character and reached a breaking point recently. He’s indicated to WWE management this weekend he’s not interested in negotiating further and made it clear this isn’t about trying to get more money. One of his colleagues on the roster, when asked tonight about Dean’s demeanor lately and if there were any signs of discontent, said “he’s pretty much impossible to read.” He added, though, that Dean “hates hokey sh–” and, since so much of his character has been portrayed as hokey in the last few years, he’s not surprised that would have built up frustration leading to a breaking point.


Top management in WWE and a small circle of friends of Dean knew about his decision this weekend, but it wasn’t well known at the Rumble or Raw among most of his colleagues.


https://www.pwtorch.com/site/2019/01/29/dean-ambrose-leaving-wwe-shortly-after-wrestlemania-when-his-contract-expires-in-april/

[DaveWadding]

AEW CHAMPION JON MOXLEY

[Fignuts]

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

the benefit WWE has with Ambrose going to AEW is that they've murdered him dead, so nobody will care.

[GD]

the benefit WWE has with Ambrose going to AEW is that they've murdered him dead, so nobody will care.

I doubt that. He's nowhere near Dolph Ziggler territory.

[erickman]

he was one of the more pushed guys, that was a surprise. his contract was up at the right time an good places to make money. wonder what other big surprise contracts are about up. I do not see aj styles leaving

[Droford]

This feels more like an angle continue off last night.

[Danny Electric]

They completely screwed up what could have been the biggest rivalry of last year/going into this year and to be fair he hasn’t looked like he’s totally into it which hasn’t helped with the quality of his matches or promos.
Makes sense for him to leave with good money to be made outside of WWE now.

[Juan]

This feels more like an angle continue off last night.

[ClockShot]

I had a weird feeling something was up last night when he was still in the ring and he started saying "When I first signed with WWE....." then Nia Jax's music hit.

[Evil Vito]

Not sure he’ll go to AEW. For some reason I have a weird feeling he might just be done with wrestling altogether.

[Bad News Gertner]

He's terrible

[rez]

I wonder when Renee's contract is up?

[Innovator]

He's terrible

He's been booked like shit for a long time, surprised his fire lasted as long as it did.

[Bad News Gertner]

His selling is atrocious. It's never gotten better.

[Jordan]

Very excited by this news. For AEW, NJPW, Or ROH to get one of the top WWE stars is HUGE. Going ahead to assume that he won’t wind up in Impact.

[slik]

When everyone was out injured, I thought the time period where Dean was the top face and Seth was the top heel in WWE was pretty fantastic.

It wasn't until around WM32 when Brock decided he wasn't interested in his match w/ Dean that things started to cool off a bit for Dean. Shame too, because Brock vs Dean could have been terrific if Brock had felt up for it.

[Evil Vito]

lol the way he sold the Curb Stomp on Raw were the actions of a man that doesn't give a shit

[xrodmuc316]

Good, maybe if enough guys leave for this exact reason WWE writers will stop being so lazy and booking everybody as one dimensional.

Also though, I think Droford might be right. The fact that during the commercial break he was still doing his "I need a shower cause of you dirty Phoenix people" seems out of place if he is out the door.

I am skeptical, but excited either way, him gone to AEW would be another huge get for them, or if this is an angle maybe they can make an interesting story out of it.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Good, maybe if enough guys leave for this exact reason WWE writers will stop being so lazy and booking everybody as one dimensional.



I honestly don't think the writers are lazy. I just think the turnover rate is so high it's impossible to maintain any form of continuity, plus what they do doesn't really matter because Vince usually just changes everything.

At the end of the day, half of the roster could leave and nothing will change because at 70-plus-years-old, the guy who makes the decisions is set in his ways.

[xrodmuc316]

I honestly don't think the writers are lazy. I just think the turnover rate is so high it's impossible to maintain any form of continuity, plus what they do doesn't really matter because Vince usually just changes everything.

At the end of the day, half of the roster could leave and nothing will change because at 70-plus-years-old, the guy who makes the decisions is set in his ways.

That is also true, but I can't imagine the writers are coming up with a bunch of good stuff and Vince is shutting them down left and right. If anything the writers aren't trying to come up with anything good, and just doing generic stuff because it's easy.

I forget which former WWE wrestler said it not long ago, but someone said aside from like 3 writers the rest don't do anything at all, are just yes men.

[Gerard]

lol the way he sold the Curb Stomp on Raw were the actions of a man that doesn't give a shit

Did you miss how he got eliminated from the rumble? It was like a piece out of michaels vs hogan. :lol:

[Loose Cannon]

wow, i was pretty shocked to read this today. you hear of the mid card guys leaving all the time, but this one is pretty crazy because i know they offered him a ton of money to resign. Good for him though. he can go anywhere he wants and get paid and will have much more liberties outside of the E.

Ever since Ambrose started wearing the tank tops and doing the bland babyface shtick is when i tired of him. he just hasn't beenthe same since then. and it's a shame because i know he's the type of guy that can come up with his own material and kill it out there. the writers failed him.

[Nicky Fives]

Makes alot of sense after seeing how he was eliminated at Royal Rumble....

[RP]

This feels more like an angle continue off last night.

yep

I dont think Dean was trying to pipe bomb last night and got interrupted. Smells like a work.

[Bad News Gertner]

lol the way he sold the Curb Stomp on Raw were the actions of a man that doesn't give a shit

I'm convinced he doesn't know how to sell. He either doesn't sell at all or over-exaggerates.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm convinced he doesn't know how to sell. He either doesn't sell at all or over-exaggerates.

I think you've brainwashed me but I fully agree. There's a reason Ambrose comes up short performance-wise ALL THE TIME on the big stage.

[Evil Vito]

Hey now, Ambrose sold the Curb Stomp for over 15 minutes to close out a live show a few months ago. Just straight up laid face down in the ring as the crew deconstructed around him lol

[Sepholio]

You guys are being worked lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You guys are being worked lol

worked or not -- I still don't care about Dean Ambrose.

[Lock Jaw]

I cared about Dean Ambrose until his recent heel turn and change of look/character, which has killed him off so much for me that I no longer care when he is on screen or care to see him.

[Evil Vito]

Yeah some guys really need a change of scenery, and Ambrose is one of them.

[RiX1024]

Oh well, I have to find a new favourite now after he goes, looking forward to see Jon Moxley tearing AEW or Impact apart

[Bad News Gertner]

He just doesn't have the "it" factor. His level is where he's at.

[harmsway]

dean is the best dude they got not named bray wyatt, kevin owens or paul heyman. smells like a work.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He just doesn't have the "it" factor. His level is where he's at.

It's what happens when you refuse to improve.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

dean is the best dude they got not named bray wyatt, kevin owens or paul heyman. smells like a work.

lol what the fuck?

[Innovator]

Hows life in 2015?

[Evil Vito]

lolllllllllllll Bray Wyatt

[Evil Vito]

wonder when Bray Wyatt will get back from the Springfield Mystery Spot

[slik]

Pretty sure Bray isn't injured, just creative has had "nothing for him" since Matt Hardy took leave.

[slik]

To be fair, whenever they do have "something" for Bray it will likely consists of Bray cutting a great promo and then losing every match in the entire feud.

[slik]

Oh no, nervous now they will do Bray vs DBry at WM and kill DBry's momentum

[Innovator]

Bryan with Rowan vs. Wyatt with Harper

[Innovator]

Special Ref Randy Orton

[slik]

First Ever 'House of Horrors' WM match

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE statement on Dean Ambrose: &quot;Dean Ambrose (Jonathan Good) will not be renewing his contract with WWE when it expires in April. We are grateful and appreciative of all that Dean has given to WWE and our fans. We wish him well and hope that one day Dean will return to WWE.”</p>&mdash; Wrestling Observer (@WONF4W) <a href="https://twitter.com/WONF4W/status/1090358137973104648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE has confirmed to media that Dean Ambrose won't be staying with WWE after April.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1090359056781533184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Gerard]

So presumably that means the crowd may well shit on his match at Mania?

[Triple A]

hmm

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No, in fact often when I ask about the status of a wrestler or employee, WWE will say that they &quot;don't publicly discuss the contractual or employment status&quot; of so and so. <a href="https://t.co/mcTSViSIGv">https://t.co/mcTSViSIGv</a></p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1090360542324244480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

I wonder if it's different in this case b/c they are high on Renee Young and want to keep things open down the road via Shield Reunions seemingly being $$$ for them in terms of merch/ratings/so forth.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

or it's a work... will be v evident if they address it in storylines.

[Bad News Gertner]

I found it very weird when they issued a statement on Ronda. They NEVER do stuff like that. Very hush-hush when it comes to contracts

[xrodmuc316]

I wonder if it's different in this case b/c they are high on Renee Young and want to keep things open down the road via Shield Reunions seemingly being $$$ for them in terms of merch/ratings/so forth.

It feels like he is resigning after taking time off. I can't remember WWE flat out talking about somebody's contract coming to an end since CM Punk in 2011.

Everything about this feels like Vince's response to all the "who is asking for a release/going to AEW" buzz.

I'm sure on next weeks Raw Graves and Cole will be bugging Renee about it on commentary, which if this was real they surely wouldn't be promoting the fact he is leaving and may go to the competition.

[erickman]

I wonder if it's different in this case b/c they are high on Renee Young and want to keep things open down the road via Shield Reunions seemingly being $$$ for them in terms of merch/ratings/so forth.

she would be like mickey james while hubby is nwa champ she is wwe. kind of like to see moxley wrestle magnes now.

[RP]

Seems like a work to get AEW all hot in the pants.

[rez]

Feelz like a work now

[RP]

My sources tell me Dean walked into his bedroom and found Renee giving Corey Graves a rimjob.

[rez]

My sources tell me Dean walked into his bedroom and found Renee giving Corey Graves a rimjob.

Not sure Nia would even be down for that

[xrodmuc316]

My sources tell me Dean walked into his bedroom and found Renee giving Corey Graves a rimjob.

She was just gonna kiss Graves, but then saw his hands say "stay down", so down she went.

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE giving a statement like that about his pending release does cast some doubt about it being real but either way, they've bungled him the most out of the Shield guys.

When the group first formed, the popular opinion around the net was Dean would find instant success because he was the complete package of the trio, then Roman because he had the look Vince wanted, and then Rollins much later in a Jeff Hardy-like path. Instead WWE went backwards which ended up hurting Ambrose the most.

[erickman]

WWE giving a statement like that about his pending release does cast some doubt about it being real but either way, they've bungled him the most out of the Shield guys.

When the group first formed, the popular opinion around the net was Dean would find instant success because he was the complete package of the trio, then Roman because he had the look Vince wanted, and then Rollins much later in a Jeff Hardy-like path. Instead WWE went backwards which ended up hurting Ambrose the most.

yeah I remember when he had the us belt for a year and rarely defended it killed him and the title.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Renee is probably pissed.

[GD]

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[Sepholio]

Total work.

[slik]

IDK about that

WWE responded to media like a week ago confirming Ronda's contract ends in April 2021. Might be a new policy.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I doubt he will go to AEW if Joey Ryan is there. He hates that goofy shit.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

STD, please cease from posting.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

You don't like the truth?

[slik]

Every time STD mentions Joey Ryan take a shot

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You don't like the truth?

you add nothing of value to any conversation. You just parrot the opinion of other "experts" and you show time and time again that you know virtually nothing about wrestling.

[rez]

I love STD

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

you have stds.

[rez]

I'm clean right now, thank you very much.

you have sex with nia jax and like it

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I likely would enjoy it if I did.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Good for him. Weird that they mentioned it, but what is the point of it being a work? Have people forgotten that working is supposed to lead to something?

[Bad News Gertner]

I'm not sure where he goes really. He's not that great of a worker. Neither is Cody Rhodes and look where he is so what do I know.

[GD]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Dean Ambrose (Jonathan Good) will not be renewing his contract with WWE when it expires in April. <a href="https://t.co/RdxZmUXyuK">https://t.co/RdxZmUXyuK</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1090373494993498117?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://www.wwe.com/article/dean-ambrose-not-renewing-wwe-contract?sf206849102=1

[rez]

His spat with HHH...just not gonna believe it.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OK now, <a href="https://twitter.com/ReneeYoungWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ReneeYoungWWE</a>! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raw</a> <a href="https://t.co/IlcHAS4561">pic.twitter.com/IlcHAS4561</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1090078432476651520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm not sure where he goes really. He's not that great of a worker. Neither is Cody Rhodes and look where he is so what do I know.

Cody Rhodes is decent and knows how to present himself. So he gets away with being otherwise quite bland.

[rez]

I look forward to the eventual Brandi Rhodes movie brought to us by The Rock.

[Sepholio]

Gonna laugh when Dean goes over HHH at Mania.

[slik]

Fightful and other sites reporting Hideo Itami has asked for and been granted his release as well.

[GD]

Hideo is ridiculously limited now. I wanted to see him face D Bry once before he left.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

i believe Itami but Ambrose smells like a work.

[Emperor Smeat]

Fightful and other sites reporting Hideo Itami has asked for and been granted his release as well.

Would explain the sudden change he made to his Twitter profile photo recently which then led to the speculation of him wanting out of the WWE.

Gran Metalik pulled a similar stunt via a tweet that teased he wanted out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Can someone please explain what benefit there is to this being a work? Like, is there any? Let's say that Ambrose signs with WWE in April -- doesn't he look like a fuckwit for doing this whole "walking out of the company" thing? At best, doesn't it feel like a weak re-tread of the CM Punk stuff? If he beats Triple H at WrestleMania, it's just a Triple H vs. Ambrose match. I don't get what possible reason there would be to release a statement to the media that says that Ambrose is going, leading to people making a stir about AEW and all that. Hell, Ambrose might even get "All Elite" or "AEW" chants of that throughout this hypothetically worked program. What is the point of that?

More likely, as John Pollock pointed out, is that WWE received so many questions from actual people in the media about it, and to keep good channels of communication open, they've come clean and reported the truth. Ronda Rousey got all that attention too and WWE came out and spoke about her contract status. Occam's razor really suggest that Ambrose has probably said I'm definitely going, WWE has been asked about it, so they've done a statement that sounds amicable.

If anything is a work, it seems more reasonable that it would be WWE trying to maintain a good relationship with Dean Ambrose so he doesn't look like such a babyface for sticking it to them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This reminds me of when Jeff Jarrett left the WWF in 1999, and WWF.com were releasing all those sweet-talking statements about what a gentleman and stand-up guy Jeff Jarrett was. It was to get him into the buildings and doing business heading into the show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Would love it if KENTA and Gran Metalik left too. I imagine Metalik's contract must be coming up, because he was polling people as to whether he should go to CMLL or AAA or something. :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

As for KENTA being limited, I wonder how much of that is just WWE-style and him being, perhaps, really unhappy in that company. I just heard recently that WWE actually let him work the Pro Wrestling NOAH 20th Anniversary Show, which shocked the hell out of me. But apparently he had an excellent match with Naomichi Marufuji? I'm yet to see it.

[DaveWadding]

Hideo is ridiculously limited now. I wanted to see him face D Bry once before he left.

I just said this to Slik and RoXer.

[Bad News Gertner]

He's really bland and boring.

[Jordan]

Kenta sucked in WWE until that four-way at the Rumble. He was awesome. I’m glad for
him to leave because you can see how this run has poorly affected him. Hopefully he gets back to NOAH and maybe even NJPW.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm not sure where he goes really. He's not that great of a worker. Neither is Cody Rhodes and look where he is so what do I know.

Cody Rhodes is decent and knows how to present himself. So he gets away with being otherwise quite bland.

They’re actually really similar in that regard. Ambrose has way more charisma and personality than the typical generic indy guy. If this is legit, I’m actually excited to see him get to work outside of the creative black hole that is WWE.

[Anybody Thrilla]

He had a banger with Aleister Black too.

[#1-norm-fan]

I doubt he will go to AEW if Joey Ryan is there. He hates that goofy shit.

Has he spoke on the “goofy shit” or are you just assuming? Because I actually do remember him doing an interview where he talked about not taking wrestling too seriously.

[Loose Cannon]

When i first saw this I thought this guy is going to be the savior of wrestling . :(


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[Evil Vito]

When i first saw this I thought this guy is going to be the savior of wrestling . :(


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Yeah they nerfed his promos big time on the main roster. Calling him the "Lunatic Fringe" never felt fitting unlike when he was actually playing a believable crazy person on the indies.

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

a corporate branded name such as thelunaticfringedeanambrose doesn't really scream authentic crazy person.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Has he spoke on the “goofy shit” or are you just assuming? Because I actually do remember him doing an interview where he talked about not taking wrestling too seriously.

Somebody on twitter said something about it. Can't find it now.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Somebody on twitter said something about it. Can't find it now.

oh then it must be true.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’d be pissed off if the company I worked for got me to suggest that one of my mate’s leukaemia was cosmic justice, and it flattened my career with them anyway.

[Innovator]

I’d be pissed off if the company I worked for got me to suggest that one of my mate’s leukaemia was cosmic justice, and it flattened my career with them anyway.

Don't forget getting vaccinated from the smelly fans with comically large needles

[Mr. Nerfect]

You can imagine Vince promising Ambrose it would be great, Ambrose not wanting to do it, Vince promising great heat, then Ambrose coming out to cricket farts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Watching KENTA vs. Marufuji from just a few months ago right now. It's a fucking good match. KENTA is working like a pure heel thus far. His facial expressions are excellent. He's got great presence. Set up the story of him being the "bad dude" by trying to kick Marufuji off a break after Marufuji showed him the respect of a clean one. It's now going into a more back and forth contest.

Man, KENTA's facial expressions are really fucking good. They're kind of what I'm taking away from this. He's a great storyteller.

[BigCrippyZ]

When i first saw this I thought this guy is going to be the savior of wrestling . :(


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Probably because that 90 seconds was better and more believable than anything WWE's main roster (and arguably the entire company) has done in the last 14+ years.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Man, I loved the Ambrose FCW stuff. Double or Nothing ending with with an Ambrose promo like this could be epic.

[GD]

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[Ultra Mantis]

Ambrose actually looked better when he looked "worse" IMO. The short hair and beard make him look so generic and boring. The straggly hair and stubble was a unique look and if he kept that, still beefed up but got some actual wrestling gear he would look more of a star.

Haven't seen him actually work since he came back though, does he still do that goofy "get stuck in the ropes then hit a weak as fuck clothesline" spot? Horrible signature.

[Lock Jaw]

Ambrose actually looked better when he looked "worse" IMO. The short hair and beard make him look so generic and boring. The straggly hair and stubble was a unique look and if he kept that, still beefed up but got some actual wrestling gear he would look more of a star.

Yeah.... I think his current look w/short cropped hair makes him seem so "generic" and I "don't care about him"

[Danny Electric]

Looking forward to The Shield reunion when Reigns returns with Seth and Fake Dean Ambrose.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ambrose actually looked better when he looked "worse" IMO. The short hair and beard make him look so generic and boring. The straggly hair and stubble was a unique look and if he kept that, still beefed up but got some actual wrestling gear he would look more of a star.

Haven't seen him actually work since he came back though, does he still do that goofy "get stuck in the ropes then hit a weak as fuck clothesline" spot? Horrible signature.

I'm mixed about the look. His old look was "cool" and had this edgy, quirky outsider boy band appeal to it. He was the "street" one. The shaved head made him look far more serious and "tougher," but it did make him look like one of my friends.

He doesn't really have that larger than life look at all. He's pretty tall and in good shape, but he's not a huge guy by superhero standards, so he's kind of like a big normal dude that sometimes has hair and sometimes doesn't.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Bane gimmick was fucking awful. Holy shit, way to make a guy in the best shape of his life (possibly) look shit by comparing him to a movie character that was huge.

[Emperor Smeat]

For some perspective on how frustrated Dean was in the WWE, X-Pac thinks the deal that Dean turned down was likely around $3 million per year based on his past experience with contracts and how WWE handles downside guarantees.

[slik]

Dean should wrestle Nia Jax in a loser has to wear a Weasel suit at WM!!

[Bad News Gertner]

That's brilliant.

[Mr. Nerfect]

For some perspective on how frustrated Dean was in the WWE, X-Pac thinks the deal that Dean turned down was likely around $3 million per year based on his past experience with contracts and how WWE handles downside guarantees.

I don’t know what to make of that. I like X-Pac, but would he...know?

That being said, I totally buy Dean being frustrated. I would HATE WWE if they got me to do the things they’ve asked him to do. I probably would have tried to quit earlier. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the first of quite a few surprises.

[Emperor Smeat]

He did admit his guess was based on some rough math. Only had the report of Dean's new deal having a $1 million downside and his past knowledge of WWE's percentages to work with. Would also mean that wrestlers get roughly a third of their contract as paid guarantees.

If I remember, Dean's current contract is rumored to be somewhere around $1-$2 million per year. All 3 Shield guys were also rumored to be among the highest earners in the WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can imagine that a $1 million downside guarantee would come up with some special events and merch sales and all that. I mean, it sounds like they get paid specifically for the Saudi shows, and those are pretty hefty sums.

[xrodmuc316]

I don’t know what to make of that. I like X-Pac, but would he...know?

That being said, I totally buy Dean being frustrated. I would HATE WWE if they got me to do the things they’ve asked him to do. I probably would have tried to quit earlier. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the first of quite a few surprises.

I suppose X-Pac having some knowledge would make sense with his friendships.

That being said, I'm more inclined to believe like you guys said, a downside guarantee of roughly a million per year. That has always seemed to be the max for big stars who aren't the top stars.

Then again who knows what they are doing with the new tv deals. Maybe they are going to switch up contracts to bigger guarantees but less percentages of everything else.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, X-Pac has had friends that have negotiated big money deals. I just wonder if they’ve ever been “contemporary” enough to Ambrose for him to know. But that all makes sense.

[DAMN iNATOR]

If I'm honest, I'm guessing the situation with Dean is all an elaborate worked shoot, though I must admit I have no idea what the end game would be.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah, X-Pac has had friends that have negotiated big money deals. I just wonder if they’ve ever been “contemporary” enough to Ambrose for him to know. But that all makes sense.

X Pac also had a $300,000 downside guarantee and pulled in over a million a year during his best run.

[Bossman]

X Pac also had a $300,000 downside guarantee and pulled in over a million a year during his best run.

That’s quite a bit of money for a guy that was known more for his various hand gestures as opposed to his in ring work. I guess giving blow jobs to Hall and Nash backstage has its advantages.

[Bad News Gertner]

Awww XPac wasn't bad in the ring. His 1999 work is tremendous.

[Bossman]

Awww XPac wasn't bad in the ring. His 1999 work is tremendous.

Wasn’t a bad worker at all. He was just known more for being a groupy bitch that could look cool throwing up various hand gestures alongside other (big) men that he was likely giving blow jobs to backstage.

[Jordan]

We all hated X-Pac in his 99 and 00 run because he didn't do the kind of work he used to do. He was still great, and we could use a carbon copy of him now but yeah... we in the IWC were way to harsh on X-Pac.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve actually been meaning to ask: where does X-Pac heat come from? The dude’s never been awful.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I’ve actually been meaning to ask: where does X-Pac heat come from? The dude’s never been awful.

The crowd turned on him when he betrayed Kane and stole Tori. Then the fans realized the character always sucked and booed him.

[GD]

Is Sean Waltman not in the HOF for the same reason Chyna isn't?

[GD]

The crowd turned on him when he betrayed Kane and stole Tori. Then the fans realized the character always sucked and booed him.

The greatest entrance theme of all time.

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[Savio]

Is Sean Waltman not in the HOF for the same reason Chyna isn't?
Because he dated Triple H and Stephanie hates him for it?

[GD]

Because he dated Triple H and Stephanie hates him for it?

As far as I can recall, Hunter cited her career in the adult film industry as a reason for her not to be in the HOF.

[Fignuts]

Pretty sure that was a joke Dave.

[GD]

Well, it is a little bit like a double-sided sword. It’s not just as easy as, “Should this person go into the Hall of Fame?” She completely, 100% transcended the business. Changed the business. Paradigm shifter of the business. Did what no woman ever did before, and was awesome at it, and a phenomenal talent. All the other stuff that happened happened — and I don’t need to get into any of the other stuff — but there’s no beef on this side with anything, and I mean that 100%.

From a career standpoint, should she be in the Hall of Fame? Absolutely. It’s a bit difficult, though, and this is the flipside of the coin — and this is the side nobody looks at — I’ve got an eight-year-old kid, and my eight-year-old kid sees Hall of Fame, and my eight-year-old kid goes on the Internet to look at Chyna. What comes up? And I’m not criticizing anybody. I’m not criticizing lifestyle choices. Everybody has their reasons. I don’t know what they were. I don’t care to know. It’s not a morality thing or anything else. It is just the fact of what it is. That’s a difficult choice.

[Fignuts]

I was talking about Savio's post you maroon.

[GD]

I was talking about Savio's post you maroon.

I love it!

[Bad News Gertner]

The crowd turned on him when he betrayed Kane and stole Tori. Then the fans realized the character always sucked and booed him.

He also NEVER FUCKING LOST!! Ugh, it was ridiculous.

[rez]

Why is there a thread dedicated to Ambrose that has went this long and without Renee nudes?!?!?!

WHERE

ARE

THE RENEE NUDES?

[Fignuts]

Google above average looking blonde

[rez]

Google above average looking blonde

Google excellent girl next door that happens to murder Fignuts. She's even hotter now

[GD]

Google excellent girl next door that happens to murder Fignuts. She's even hotter now

An excellent choice.

[Blonde Moment]

Is Sean Waltman not in the HOF for the same reason Chyna isn't?

It's quite possible.
Hell you could make an argument that he got Chyna into porn to begin with

[rez]

Such bullshit they're gonna go through with Nia(stupid bitch)Jax and Ambrose house show matches or whatever I read.

[erickman]

isn't that how double j left jobbing him out to chyna

[Bad News Gertner]

Google above average looking blonde

Average at best

[Savio]

If Renee were average that would be pretty awesome.

[Fignuts]

Average at best

I was feeling generous.

[The MAC]

This is the most interesting Dean has been in a year.

[slik]

WWE has cancelled the Dean Ambrose/Nia Jax houseshow match, rumor is a sponsor or two got wind of it and were not too happy.

[Fignuts]

Can’t wait for this shit to hit video games and people start bitching about Chun Li and Cammy fighting dudes.

[RP]

I guess Ambrose was suppose to say more to Rollins on RAW, but he went rogue and just said " slay the beast".

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Is Sean Waltman not in the HOF for the same reason Chyna isn't?

No, a sex-tape is not porn.

[GD]

No, a sex-tape is not porn.

1 Night in China is a pornographic film directed by Marcos Nunez and featuring professional wrestling personalities Sean Waltman and Joanie Laurer. It was released by Red Light District Video in 2004.