Ay, It's-a me, Monday Night RAW!

[rez]

AEW AEW AEW

[Splaya]

God damn it

[RP]

Guy's when's AEW come on?

[Evil Vito]

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Fuck off! This is my nightmare. Fuck this bullshit! It's going to be a fucking triple threat match.

Maybe Becky is actually hurt and needs somebody else to carry the load in the match?

[rez]

ALL ELITE WRESTLING

[RP]

WHAT TIME DOES AEW COME ON GUY'S????

[slik]

There ya have it, that's how Charlotte gets added to WM, in a random segment out of nowhere because Vince decides she has a good attitude

[Theo Dious]

Yup. My interest in this match just flatlined.

[rez]

I DONT KNOW CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHEN AEW COMES ON

[GD]

I hope this isn't how they introduce Charlotte Flair into the program.

Fuck you, past me! This is all your fault.

[Sepholio]

We need someone who knows her place and how to stay in it....lolol Bet Vince was all in his head like "YEAH THE KITCHEN THATS HER PLACE!"

[RP]

WHAT CHANNEL IS AEW GUYSSSSSSSSSS?????

[rez]

what satellite is the AEW feed coming from and stuff

[slik]

To be fair, the match will be significantly better w/ Charlotte in it

But that was a really dumb way to do it

[GD]

I knew this was the working plan for a while but to see it being executed so poorly makes me want to do a 450 splash from the Golden Gate Bridge.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Stickman]

Was really hoping Kevin Owens did a Mr Perfect bowling impression.

What a terrible show. Awful. Horrible way to add Flair to the match. Nobody wants to see that.

[GD]

With Charlotte Flair and Becky Lynch on Monday Night RAW, the Smackdown women's division is heavily handicapped.

[xrodmuc316]

NEW ERA...Heel authority McMahons doing stuff that makes everything else pointless.

Women's Royal Rumble, pointless
Brand Extension, pointless
That entire 3 hours of Raw being built on will she won't she, pointless
WWE, pointless

[slik]

This is the first time WWE has treated women as the legit main-event and focus of RAW, in that Becky got the level of focus they typically gave a Cena or Roman, so I do think that is very noteworthy.

[slik]

Charlotte is in the match to eat the pin or submission so that neither Becky or Ronda lose any heat.

I think Bex is walking out of Metlife champ.

[RP]

Charlotte is in the match to eat the pin or submission so that neither Becky or Ronda lose any heat.

I think Bex is walking out of Metlife champ.


They humbled her and then screwed her and screwed us because you know... reasons.

[Triple A]

Will prob do Becky vs. Ronda at the PPV after WrestleMania as Ronda's "last" match before she leaves

[My Final Heaven]

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[RP]

I've completely lost interest in Becky vs Ronda. I've lost interest in Becky Lynch period. WWE has literally fucked this up. They always fuck everything good up. Wow.

[RP]

LOL i dont know how they fucked Becky Lynch vs Ronda up. This seemed full proof. It seemed like it couldnt possibly be fucked up and WWE did it. They found a fucking way to fuck this shit up.

[Dark One]

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[GD]

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[Dark One]

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[Evil Vito]

Becky’s still going to get her moment...but now it’s going to be just another McMahon storyline. Instead of the catharsis of her tapping out Ronda and solidifying herself as the best, she’ll tap out Charlotte again and Ronda will get to go away without ever taking a fall.

It took them two weeks for me to go from over the moon excited at Becky winning the Rumble to completely flatline my interest in the program.

 I’m out.

[GD]

Watching the Elias and Lucha House Party segment. Seems atrocious.

[Dark One]

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[Dark One]

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[GD]

Also, I am kinda over Corey Graves and Renee Young.

[Tom Guycott]

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I've been an absentee for most of anything that may have happened in the last couple of weeks... is Braun another illigetimate son of Kurt now? We going to end up with a whole stable of The Angle Boyz bringing tables and wearing tye dye?

[GD]

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[Dark One]

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[GD]

I've been an absentee for most of anything that may have happened in the last couple of weeks... is Braun another illigetimate son of Kurt now? We going to end up with a whole stable of The Angle Boyz bringing tables and wearing tye dye?

Angle's just covering up a nip slip.

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[Dark One]

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[Dark One]

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[Dark One]

And in conclusion

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[Triple A]

Feels like there was no way the Becky vs. Ronda heat was going to last another two months anyway without them somehow ruining it if it was going to be a singles match, so really don't mind this...

Will be a really good match with Charlotte...

[Emperor Smeat]

Becky’s still going to get her moment...but now it’s going to be just another McMahon storyline. Instead of the catharsis of her tapping out Ronda and solidifying herself as the best, she’ll tap out Charlotte again and Ronda will get to go away without ever taking a fall.

It took them two weeks for me to go from over the moon excited at Becky winning the Rumble to completely flatline my interest in the program.

 I’m out.
Yeup. Adding Steph to this storyline messes up a bunch of things.

Should have just been Becky vs Ronda getting all the attention and leading to Becky beating Ronda to plant the seeds for a 4 Horsewomen MMA vs WWE feud later.

Instead you have Steph and the Authority leeching away Becky's heat the past few weeks to go on top with a terrible injury and suspension storyline. Randomly adding Charlotte to the feud just waters it down even more. For post-Mania stuff, WWE now has their road to make it all about Steph and the Authority after Becky wins like when Bryan won the belt at Mania 30.

[GD]

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[Tom Guycott]

Pretty much even if its intentional or not. Wrote themselves into a hole with the injury stuff and then the suspension stuff because they can't figure out how to stretch a storyline for two months without it becoming stale.



They think that fans will magically forget about them... because leaving someone off TV for a week or two at a time to build and/or stretch a program is exactly the same thing as when they just forget about someone and don't book them in a match or angle for six months.

[Triple A]

Without the McMahons or other people, the Ronda vs. Becky feud would have probably gotten boring if it was just them coming out each week and cutting the same promo for two months... WWE is not good at long term (over one month) storylines...

[Tom Guycott]

Angle's just covering up a nip slip.

Wait, his or Braun's?

[GD]

:roll:

[RP]

I dont give a shit what happens in this feud anymore. I'm gonna search for a free stream online to watch wrestlemania. I'm not paying for it. I was going to pay for it but not anymore. I just hate this product now. I cant be bothered to pay actual money for this crap. When's AEW start?

[Evil Vito]

If Charlotte were liked enough as a face to headline against Ronda outright, make no mistake, WWE would’ve done it.

Becky getting over was a hindrance to them. They’ll put her in the match and put her over to avoid a riot, but they still have to get their golden girl over.

[Evil Vito]

I dont give a shit what happens in this feud anymore. I'm gonna search for a free stream online to watch wrestlemania. I'm not paying for it. I was going to pay for it but not anymore. I just hate this product now. I cant be bothered to pay actual money for this crap. When's AEW start?

I’ve literally held off of buying WM tickets because I was gonna wait and see if they fucked the match up.

Now I know I can save my money. I’ll enjoy Takeover and G1 Supercard.

[RP]

I remember early 2000's I would order WM and they would have an all day long special stuff airing when your ordered, leading up to WM. I was so damned hype for that. It made my entire Sunday. It felt like the Superbowl.

I'm the farthest i've ever been from that feeling I had about WM, right now. I cant be any farther. This shit is stale and dumb and I have more interest in Xavier Woods gaming channel, than I do on the actually wrestling product. It's so fucking bad.

[RP]

I think AEW will be the biggest promotion in 5 years. I really believe this. WWE is beyond saving at this point and I really do hope everyone that has there contract running out, leaves. I really want the Uso's to go to AEW. I cant wait for AEW. I'm so fucking sick that WWE managed to fuck up this Ronda vs Becky feud. I cant believe it.

[Tom Guycott]

Without the McMahons or other people, the Ronda vs. Becky feud would have probably gotten boring if it was just them coming out each week and cutting the same promo for two months... WWE is not good at long term (over one month) storylines...

Exactly why they don't need to do that. Becky doesn't need to show up on both RAW and Smackdown every week. The announce team can drop a seed every so often to keep warm that it is still a thing, instead it is a beat-you-over-the-head diatribe anytime one of the competitors appears (which again, is twice a week for Becks and once a week for Ronda) because they can't keep Becky away because they seem to think fans will cool on her instantly ... prob'ly because they didn't want to push her in the first place and her popularity is still surprising to them.

It isn't as complicated as they are making it themselves; don't cram into two days what you can accomplish over two+ weeks.

[Evil Vito]

CM Punk was right. WWE will be better once Vince McMahon is dead.

[RP]

I really would love to know what the fuck the point of showing Kevin Owens bowling was. I mean, remember when a guy came back from injury and it was great and unexpected. Welp! Fuck all that I guess. Fuck pumping some excitement in the crowd. They may as well just give all the fans a fucking itinerary for the fucking night.

WWE is literally just sucking the fun out of there own product. I'm not sure why anyone invests money into them anyway or how.

[Evil Vito]

I basically stick around for NXT at this point. It’s far enough removed from the main roster drivel that I can enjoy it.

[Evil Vito]

I’d rather see Eric Bugenhagen be added to the match than Charlotte.

[GD]

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[GD]

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[RP]

It might be time to give the men there own show on the Network.

[Emperor Smeat]

Without the McMahons or other people, the Ronda vs. Becky feud would have probably gotten boring if it was just them coming out each week and cutting the same promo for two months... WWE is not good at long term (over one month) storylines...

True but they also managed to handicap themselves by trying to juggle too many things at once. Becky being "injured" and suspended did give them an out to shift direction away from Ronda and not have her be on tv every week but they blew it big time.

Even something as simple as teasing Bliss getting involved was just quickly tossed away in favor of just randomly adding Charlotte into the mix.

[Evil Vito]

If 2019 Vince were around in 1999 he would've added Big Show as an active participant to the Austin vs. Rock WM15 main event.

[Tom Guycott]

I’d rather see Eric Bugenhagen be added to the match than Charlotte.

I did see enough in the last couple of weeks to know that in the space of two matches, one promo segment, and one "encore" air guitar session, Eric Bugenhagen, Matt Riddle, and Drew Gulak have gotten more accompished in booking, a push, and getting over inside of 30 minutes than most of the main roster with weeks of supposed writing and "liking to have fun".

On a side note, I initially thought Bugenhagen was Rollermacka, and that his "never pinned or submitted in WWE" streak was going to come to an end.

[Droford]

Just wait til Ruby beats Ronda and it ends up a 4 way

[Tom Guycott]

Just wait til Ruby beats Ronda and it ends up a 4 way

Nah. A Fatal 4 Way would have to contain at least one woman whose whole gimmick is simply "being hot", so they'd find a way to backdoor Mandy Rose in there or some shit.

[slik]

This was the song they played during the Seth/Brock match graphic for like 15 seconds..wonder if it will be the WM35 theme song...lyrics fit a WM


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[Evil Vito]

Charlotte loses the belt to Becky clean.
Gets a mandatory rematch which ends in a DQ finish. OK fine, she should get another match.
Next match ends in a double countout. Alright, one more match still makes sense.
Then she loses clean as a whistle in a Last Woman Standing match.

That should have been the end of it. There's no storyline justification why she should've gotten another title match. And yet there she was getting another title opportunity at TLC, which she also lost. And then she loses the Rumble to cap it all off. Yet now she's headlining Mania.

No wonder it feels forced. It's like she's obtained Batista's unlimited title match cheat code from 2007.

[Dark One]

I don't really object to Charlotte being wedged into the match from a quality perspective. Most of the Charlotte/Becky matches have been great to incredible, and Ronda has done phenomenally well in a match that's been put together--and both Charlotte and Becky should be able to lead a match. Both the Charlotte/Becky and Becky/Ronda feuds have been pretty hot from a crowd reaction standpoint, so I would imagine that those intersecting should also be hot.

But it once again feels like WWE getting too complicated for their own good. You've got an angle that without any other factors is arguably hot enough to main event the whole show, but they've got to overcomplicate it and make it happen in the laziest way possible.

Like "Everything's good? No. Fuck you." is not the best way to go about this. If they had Charlotte whine and complain about losing the Rumble to someone not even in it and then have Vince come out and add her to the match and then reveal that he was indeed trying to make her the Corporate Champion or whatever would be fine, maybe even great. Instead they went with "Make Becky apologize after being unreasonable and then fuck it, she's out. SURPRISE."

I've said it before, but it's appropriate once again: This company would book eight connecting flights to get across the street for a fucking cup of coffee.

[owenbrown]

Nah. A Fatal 4 Way would have to contain at least one woman whose whole gimmick is simply "being hot", so they'd find a way to backdoor Mandy Rose in there or some shit.


RP seeing the phrase "backdoor Mandy Rose" : :naughty:

[Evil Vito]

Sex with Mandy Rose would make up for every booking transgression of the past decade.

[slik]

damn

WWE uploaded video of Charlotte being announced to replace Becky and it already has 40K dislikes to about 16k likes

[Big Vic]

So did Becky apologize to HHH and Steph?

[RP]

Sex with Mandy Rose would make up for every booking transgression of the past decade.

This is true. They can put David Arquette in the match and give him the womens belt and I would be ok with it.

[RP]

I think the reason they're putting Charlotte in this match is because they dont want Ronda being boo'ed. So they put someone else in the match that they know will get boo'ed and Ronda can still look like the babyface. Also they probably dont want Ronda to take the pin. It's total bullshit.

[slik]

So did Becky apologize to HHH and Steph?

yeah

then Vince came out and said he didn't accept the apology and suspended her and said Charlotte would face Ronda at WM because Charlotte has a good attitude :lol:

[Simple Fan]

The whole Becky apology stuff was kind of dumb. I could understand if the McMahon's had really wronged her but they didn't. If Becky actually didn't have anything to be sorry about then it would have made some sense. Just a lazy way to throw Charlotte into the match which nobody wants.

[rockman725]

The whole Becky apology stuff was kind of dumb. I could understand if the McMahon's had really wronged her but they didn't. If Becky actually didn't have anything to be sorry about then it would have made some sense. Just a lazy way to throw Charlotte into the match which nobody wants. It was dumb. The "you're out...you're in" thing was b.s. lazy to the highest degree.

I really thought they were gonna do this with the apology thing.... Becky says "I'm sorry." Pause. "Yeah, I'm sorry.... I'm sorry I didn't punch you harder and I'm sorry I didn't kick you in the nuts too." Thought that was a better way to take her out of the match and put the "runner-up from the rumble" in. Then they could have had Becky earn her way back in at Fastlane to get to the triple threat.

Either way, I think it will be a decent match to watch, but will TOTALLY SUCK AS THE FINAL MATCH OF WRESTLEMANIA. So glad I didn't waste my money on a ticket. A woman's match should not close this show. Period. They are good, but not great and Ronda is inexperienced in the business to make it a 5 star match.

[Simple Fan]

It might have warranted going on last if it was just Becky vs Ronda.

[slik]

Ratings should be out soon for this...I could see it either doing what last week, a 2.5 or sliding down throughout the show via (mostly) being pretty boring.

[erickman]

I wonder if becky is going to pay a visit to rics birthday party I see a wrestling angle in flairs 70th birthday party. conrad turkey tits tompson made a big deal of eric bischoff not being invited I can see easy e and becky ruining the party.

[RP]

I wonder if becky is going to pay a visit to rics birthday party I see a wrestling angle in flairs 70th birthday party. conrad turkey tits tompson made a big deal of eric bischoff not being invited I can see easy e and becky ruining the party.

If they do a Ric Flair birthday thing and Becky storms the party and breaks Ric's arm (kayfabe), I would warm up to this shit, but i'm still really mad about the whole thing.

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems you can blame Ronda's break after Mania as the official reason why WWE finally added Charlotte into the RAW Women's title match at Mania.

According to Fightful, Ronda currently isn't expected to be back from her break till Survivor Series at the earliest. Pretty much handicaps WWE's post-Mania plans and they were not fond of letting one half of their potential first ever women's Mania main event bolt after Mania. Deflates any big benefits WWE would get from that historic moment and makes Ronda look like she only cared about the spotlight and having a top Mania spot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Honestly, I think adding Charlotte makes the most sense from a keeping your promise to her perspective. If she feels slightly wronged, and let’s be honest, shit booking led to Becky’s groundswell, then maybe she walks out when her contract ends? This seems to be a keep all plates spinning kind of thing, which can be a reality of the business, but should never be how you book.

I’m not mad about Charlotte being in. She’s getting heat and she’s being portrayed as the golden child she is. This is going to be fine and has a thread of a story with a heel you hate and a baby face you adore. It’s just...not as pure as it could be. They had a thing with this Becky stuff, and if you just run with it, fans’ hope might finally turn into faith. But they’ve sacrificed this anticipated main event between two top women for a three-way that is happening...because. They’re pouring too much milk into the coffee and can’t help but give their fans reasons to be cautious about investing emotionally. They just can’t help but mercilessly fuck with and cut off their babyfaces.

This would be like if WrestleMania XIV got turned into a Triple Threat with either HHH or Rock in there. Why can’t we just have a babyface win the Rumble and go on to face the person everyone wants to lose in a one-on-one match? Keep it simple, stupid.

Charlotte could have done a million things. She could have worked Asuka again. There’s Natalya, who has been portrayed as Ronda’s buddy. Do the Takeover match years later with the two-time Hall of Famers in their corners with personal pride and the momentum of their camps on the line. Shayna could have come up. Charlotte can still have an anticipated position on the card and Becky getting this shot could always be played up for tension later.

[Anybody Thrilla]

If you think about it, Charlotte sort of does deserve it. Becky wasn't even technically in the Rumble, so Charlotte should be the winner.

[xrodmuc316]

If you think about it, Charlotte sort of does deserve it. Becky wasn't even technically in the Rumble, so Charlotte should be the winner.

She doesn't though, she is on Smackdown, there is literally zero reason for her to fight for the Raw title just because Becky won the Rumble and chose Ronda.

Does that mean R-Truth should get added to Rollins Lesnar, I mean he didn't get eliminated and is on Smackdown.

How about Lana? That was her spot, should she get added to make it a fatal 4-way, even though she is on Smackdown?

IF Becky choose Asuka, and they had the exact same storyline and added Charlotte, it would still be dumb and lazy, but it would at least follow their brand extension rules.

Charlotte has NO BUSINESS in the Raw Woman's Title match because she isn't on Raw.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yes to all of that, technically. Who's to say Charlotte wouldn't have chosen Ronda? I'm just talking about their own made up rules.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The brand split is arbitrary. Technically, by their own rules, Becky should now be a SmackDown-exclusive Superstar, but it won’t play out like that.