Is there any chance Batista beats Triple H at Wrestlemania? [Archive]

#1-norm-fan

03-19-2019, 02:24 PM

I like Batista. Seems like a good guy who could be a valuable part timer if his character is treated better than in his last return. I don’t mind Triple H. This isn’t an “OMG TRIPLE H ALWAYS BOOKS HIMSELF TO WIN” thread. Because he doesn’t. He jobs plenty. But apparently he’s the “hero” in this feud which makes me think of his Lesnar feud that led to him going over at Wrestlemania which was just ridiculous.

And here’s another big issue with that. There’s a main event storyline on the same show that revolves around everything else being fake. I know Batista didn’t actually beat up poor Ric Flair. But that seems to be the only reason anyone is supposed to hate him and love Triple H. But within the same universe, they’re telling you that that didn’t really happen.

So, is there any chance Batista wins, which would completely go against logical wrestling storytelling? Or is he definitely going to lose because he is the fake villain in a show that desperately wants to remind you that he’s just a fake villain?

ClockShot

03-19-2019, 02:30 PM

I honestly think there is. Unless he's getting paid a lot more money than I know about just to go down. Then good on him.

I mean, he's Drax The Destroyer. I think a lot of fans of movies who don't watch wrestling who heard about this probably fully expect him to win.

It's like, The Rock coming back for a match. You know for sure he's guaranteed to win. Unless, you know, he's in a match with Roman. Which we know for damn sure he'll go down just so he can go suuuuuuuuuuuper over.

Jordan

03-19-2019, 03:23 PM

I don't think so. Why would you book Batista to when considering he won't be rasslin no more and HHH will?

#1-norm-fan

03-19-2019, 03:27 PM

Is this definitely a one-off though? If he’s never coming back, sure. Have him job. If he’s down to come back for years to come though, then make him look like another Lesnar.

Emperor Smeat

03-19-2019, 05:12 PM

So, is there any chance Batista wins, which would completely go against logical wrestling storytelling? Or is he definitely going to lose because he is the fake villain in a show that desperately wants to remind you that he’s just a fake villain?
Doubt it and probably just Triple H wanting to get his win back for putting over Batista years ago. Doesn't help that a week after their match is made official, WWE decided to release a video showing Batista as one of the few stars who Triple H has never beaten in a singles match.

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Jordan

03-19-2019, 05:40 PM

Is this definitely a one-off though? If he’s never coming back, sure. Have him job. If he’s down to come back for years to come though, then make him look like another Lesnar.

He's 52, injury prone with a successful acting career, I doubt he will do anymore. Outside of this match what else could be of interest?

#1-norm-fan

03-19-2019, 07:18 PM

Well, Triple H is pretty much the same age so I don’t think that matters. If Batista isn’t too big of a star to return now, he’ll probably never be. So why not make an investment in him if he seemed willing to keep coming back? Jobbing Batista too much is potentially harmful. Triple H isn’t going up OR down credibility-wise at this point.

rez

03-19-2019, 07:39 PM

Mantis will put HHH to sleep

Ol Dirty Dastard

03-19-2019, 07:46 PM

I'm not trying to shit on HHH here but he has a hard time being critical and realistic about his own abilities. This Batista match is gonna be booked to go 25 minutes when neither guy has any business going over 10-15. And HHH is going to go over.

Whereas, a 10-15 minute bloody, action-filled sprint with Batista going over leading into rematches would be better.

xrodmuc316

03-19-2019, 07:51 PM

He should absolutely win, but he wont.

Vastardikai

03-19-2019, 07:55 PM

Batista has a chance of winning in the same way that I have a chance to have a threesome with Becky Lynch and Alexa Bliss.

Black Widow

03-19-2019, 08:28 PM

Batista has a chance of winning in the same way that I have a chance to have a threesome with Becky Lynch and Alexa Bliss.It technically wouldn't be a 3way cause they'd ignore you and do each other.

Vastardikai

03-19-2019, 08:30 PM

It technically wouldn't be a 3way cause they'd ignore you and do each other.

Where is your cape, Captain Obvious? :roll:

#1-norm-fan

03-19-2019, 11:10 PM

I'm not trying to shit on HHH here but he has a hard time being critical and realistic about his own abilities. This Batista match is gonna be booked to go 25 minutes when neither guy has any business going over 10-15. And HHH is going to go over.

Whereas, a 10-15 minute bloody, action-filled sprint with Batista going over leading into rematches would be better.

It would certainly be better. But then again , that’s what happened with Lesnar and I now wonder if Triple H just getting his win and getting it over with would have been the better option.

Triple H went into the match with Brock as the face, tapped out and then stood up with tears in his eyes expecting a riotous applause and was met with “You tapped out!” chants... And he still went on to be the “against all odds” hero who got his win back. It was quite tone deaf. I feel like the Flair attack was his way of making himself the hero ready to overcome one way or another again.

xrodmuc316

03-19-2019, 11:44 PM

It would certainly be better. But then again , that’s what happened with Lesnar and I now wonder if Triple H just getting his win and getting it over with would have been the better option.

Triple H went into the match with Brock as the face, tapped out and then stood up with tears in his eyes expecting a riotous applause and was met with “You tapped out!” chants... And he still went on to be the “against all odds” hero who got his win back. It was quite tone deaf. I feel like the Flair attack was his way of making himself the hero ready to overcome one way or another again.

That was a top 4 bad Mania wins for H so far. Plus as a babyface he had to use HBK, a sledgehammer, and steel stairs to beat the heel Lesnar.

Beating Sting at Mania 32 was stupid since it was Stings only Mania match, it was stupid cause they built it as a WWE vs WCW final battle which made no sense. DX helped H while nWo helped Sting, even though nWo was against WCW and Sting. Plus X-Pac was in both DX and nWo, plus WWE's nWo which further makes nWo representing WCW weirder. That's not even talking about how after beating Sting they had H get beat up by Rock and Ronda.

Beating Booker T at Mania 19 was bad because they built it as tongue in cheek how H was racist and blacks can't be champ, then didn't pay it off with a Booker win.

Beating Orton at Mania 25 was nonsensical all over the place. They built it as this big shoot breaking Kayfabe with H defending his now revealed to be real life wife and in laws. They had H go to Randy's "real life" house (it wasn't, just some random house in Florida) and attack him in front of his "real life" wife (it wasn't, just an actress), with a sledgehammer. Then in the course of this blood feud, they booked the match as a "if H gets DQed he loses his title" in order to, actually I'm still not sure what the logic of that was considering the build. To top it all off, even with that stipulation, they STILL booked H to win by using a sledgehammer. WHAT?!?!?

H is the worst.

Droford

03-20-2019, 03:57 AM

I see no reason for Batista to win. The whole story is now more HHH avenging his buddy Flair than Batista finally beating HHH. Doubt Dave is hanging around so it doesn't make much sense for him to win. Only match I'm looking forward to less is Angle/Corbin

Nicky Fives

03-20-2019, 04:24 AM

Seems like its a one-off appearance for Dancing Dave, the logical ending is that he loses and HHH gets revenge for Flair, but if Batista were to win, HHH could keep calling him out week after week, but Dave has "gone back to Hollywood" and doesn't address it at all. Once Guardians 3 is in the can and he's finished all of his obligations, Batista can come back on a random Raw and attack HHH from behind, leading to the rematch at whatever PPV in a steel cage, HIAC< sledgehammer on a pole, etc.

WinterDecay

03-20-2019, 12:31 PM

Not a chance. This is Hunter getting his win back much like Hogan beating the Warrior.

Simple Fan

03-20-2019, 01:02 PM

I think Batista wins with Ric's help.

Evil Vito

03-20-2019, 01:12 PM

Batista's said on a few podcasts that he only wanted to do one last match with Hunter and then call it a career. So I expect this is it for him.

The MAC

03-20-2019, 06:10 PM

Calling it now ... 4/10 match.

James Steele

03-21-2019, 09:04 AM

This will be MOTY candidate. Their series of matches in 2005 were beautiful.

Ultra Mantis

03-21-2019, 10:26 AM

Mantis will put HHH to sleep

I'm not booked.

Simple Fan

03-21-2019, 10:35 AM

This will be MOTY candidate. Their series of matches in 2005 were beautiful.

I agree will more than likely be the best match on the card.

SlickyTrickyDamon

03-21-2019, 04:34 PM

I agree will more than likely be the best match on the card.

lol

Ol Dirty Dastard

03-22-2019, 07:37 AM

I don't hate either guy and actually really like Batista. But have you seen HHH's recent matches?

James Steele

03-22-2019, 11:15 AM

I don't hate either guy and actually really like Batista. But have you seen HHH's recent matches?

Yeah. Been very good. Emphasis on storytelling.

SlickyTrickyDamon

03-22-2019, 11:22 AM

The one with taker and kane was the drizzling shits.

James Steele

03-22-2019, 11:28 AM

The one with taker and kane was the drizzling shits.

It was far too long for a spectacle. Similar to this Batista/HHH match or the Goldberg/Brock match at WM33 - it just needed to be a quick 10 minute hectic pier 6 brawl.

Evil Vito

03-22-2019, 11:33 AM

Triple H/Rollins and Triple H/Reigns both put me to fucking sleep

Triple H/Ambrose, however, was quite enjoyable

Mr. Nerfect

03-22-2019, 07:11 PM

Triple H has only put over one person in the industry, and the only reason this match is happening is because his ego is happy to get that win back.

GD

03-22-2019, 07:40 PM

Triple H has only put over one person in the industry, and the only reason this match is happening is because his ego is happy to get that win back.

:roll:

Mr. Nerfect

03-22-2019, 08:05 PM

Fuck you, Guru Dave, you creepy piece of shit. Make a fucking point or fuck off.

Mr. Nerfect

03-22-2019, 08:06 PM

Fuck these forums are shit these days. Fucking Guru Dave. Asswipe.

Mr. Nerfect

03-22-2019, 08:07 PM

How the fuck am I wrong, Dave? Go on.

Mr. Nerfect

03-22-2019, 08:18 PM

Triple H is as egomaniacal as he’s ever been. He HAS to main event WrestleMania in 2016. He has to headline the Melbourne show, which was supposed to be the largest pro-wrestling crowd in Australian history, until his non-drawing ass was put in the main event. He has to main event the Indian shows that got consolidated to one show instead of two and still didn’t sell out. He has to have 30 minutes to stink up the joint and tear muscles because it’s still the Triple H show whenever he wants it to be. And as I said, he’s only ever put over one person — Batista. No one else has ever beaten Triple H and benefit from it. Not one person. You can’t name them because they don’t exist.

Triple H is the most overrated wrestler in history. He didn’t draw in Hollywood when he tried to make The Rock jump, so now we’re stuck with him in wrestling.

Mr. Nerfect

03-22-2019, 11:33 PM

Even if this was fully intended to be Batista’s last match, he’s a star and Triple H is only pushed like one. No one is watching WrestleMania to see Triple H beat Batista. Anyone who is tuning in to see Drax in WWE will be more rewarded seeing him win.

Lock Jaw

03-22-2019, 11:48 PM

Ha ha.... Noid isn't really wrong, but I am laughing at how much he was set off by one emoticon.

Fignuts

03-23-2019, 12:40 AM

To be fair, Batista is the one who kept repeatedly pushing for this match. Not Triple H.

Fignuts

03-23-2019, 12:42 AM

I'm not trying to shit on HHH here but he has a hard time being critical and realistic about his own abilities. This Batista match is gonna be booked to go 25 minutes when neither guy has any business going over 10-15. And HHH is going to go over.

Whereas, a 10-15 minute bloody, action-filled sprint with Batista going over leading into rematches would be better.

I don't want to see multiple Triple H vs Batista matches in 2019. I'm not even excited about seeing one, tbh.

Mr. Nerfect

03-23-2019, 01:13 AM

To be fair, Batista is the one who kept repeatedly pushing for this match. Not Triple H.

That's true.

DAMN iNATOR

03-23-2019, 06:34 AM

Triple H has only put over one person in the industry, and the only reason this match is happening is because his ego is happy to get that win back.

So we're just completely ignoring Daniel Bryan then? It's your turn to be on the spot and prove someone else wrong. But we both know you're better off not playing that game (pun intended) because we both know I'm right and have exposed your lie.

Fignuts

03-23-2019, 06:38 AM

Noid just got pwned

Mr. Nerfect

03-23-2019, 10:15 AM

So we're just completely ignoring Daniel Bryan then? It's your turn to be on the spot and prove someone else wrong. But we both know you're better off not playing that game (pun intended) because we both know I'm right and have exposed your lie.

Daniel Bryan didn’t get a thing from beating Triple H. He should have been in the main event of Mania from the start. Remember how pissed off people were after the 2014 Royal Rumble. Also, Bryan was opening Mania in a Ladder Match the year after. Swing and a miss, dingus.

DAMN iNATOR

03-23-2019, 01:16 PM

Daniel Bryan didn’t get a thing from beating Triple H. He should have been in the main event of Mania from the start. Remember how pissed off people were after the 2014 Royal Rumble. Also, Bryan was opening Mania in a Ladder Match the year after. Swing and a miss, dingus.

Right. It's not like he became WWE World Heavyweight Champion or anyth--OH, WAIT.

Mr. Nerfect

03-23-2019, 01:41 PM

Right. It's not like he became WWE World Heavyweight Champion or anyth--OH, WAIT.

Don’t be such a mark. First of all, that completely sidesteps my actual point that the win didn’t get him any more over, nor did it put him in any better position in the company. Ooh, he got belts. He was working with Kane in the Benoit cool-off spot. Fuck you. Secondly, even if champ actually did mean things the way you’re claiming them, then it’s not like he had been champ three times prior to — OH, WAIT.

Simple Fan

03-23-2019, 02:56 PM

Yeah. Been very good. Emphasis on storytelling.

I generally enjoy HHH's WrestleMania matches depending on opponent. The storytelling can get out of hand some years like with Sting and Daniel Bryan but he usually puts on a clinic at WrestleMania.

Fignuts

03-23-2019, 05:04 PM

Don’t be such a mark. First of all, that completely sidesteps my actual point that the win didn’t get him any more over, nor did it put him in any better position in the company. Ooh, he got belts. He was working with Kane in the Benoit cool-off spot. Fuck you. Secondly, even if champ actually did mean things the way you’re claiming them, then it’s not like he had been champ three times prior to — OH, WAIT.

SHADOW COUNTER

Mr. Nerfect

03-23-2019, 10:16 PM

I enjoyed his work with Ronda Rousey last year. Before that the Bryan match was really good. Before that you had the decent stuff with Undertaker that felt very heavy-handed at the time. In my opinion he was overshadowed in his performances with Taker and Lesnar circa 2012/2013 by CM Punk.

#1-norm-fan

03-24-2019, 04:28 AM

I wanna root for DAMN iNATOR. But Noid knows what he’s talking about. Triple H is cool and all. I don’t mind him as a wrestler. But he’s definitely always sure to put himself in a position where you understand he’s more important than he actually is. He had no business going over Brock Lesnar. Ever. He let Brock go over in the rubber match at a B PPV so that his defenders could say “he lost the feud though!”. But history will show that he triumphed over the beast at the Granddaddy of Them All.

#1-norm-fan

03-24-2019, 04:34 AM

The shit with Ronda last year was cool. I though he might tap to her but whatever. I understand why he didn’t. Either way, he was in a position where he came off as a bigger star than he actually is though. Is that intentional or is it just a bi-product of WWE not being able to create stars and thus making attitude era co-star Triple H a “star” by comparison to the current crop?

Mr. Nerfect

03-24-2019, 05:24 AM

He’s not an awful wrestler, but his misses are really high for someone who you can just tell wants to be considered an elite worker. He knows he needs bells and whistles a lot of the time, but other stuff he does just doesn’t reach the heights he is going for. The dude has been part of three underwhelming main events that couldn’t follow the show before it. This is especially true of Mania X-8 and Mania XXV. He just can’t shine in the star position, and he never has been able to. He got interest in early 2002, but it faded really fast.

In modern times, the H will lose, but make no mistake about who is going to be the bigger issue going forward. What did Seth get out of beating him? The following year, Seth’s opening the show in an IC Title match (just like Bryan). Beating him at Mania statistically means you are more likely to open the next year than main event.

He’s hit-and-miss, he doesn’t draw, it’s still all about him. How many people get turned off the product when they try and tune and be forced lies about this dude being one of the greatest of all-time? By what metric? He’s pushed way beyond his station, and WWE has suffered a serious case of dysphoria since he’s been pushed that way since about 2003. He really wants to be a star heel, but his only sustained value was circa 2000 when he was a great working heel for Rock. But he has to try and make himself the Flair, or the Vince.

GD

03-24-2019, 07:20 PM

Jordan

03-24-2019, 07:58 PM

GD

03-24-2019, 08:04 PM

Tom Guycott

03-24-2019, 11:03 PM

He’s not an awful wrestler, but his misses are really high for someone who you can just tell wants to be considered an elite worker. He knows he needs bells and whistles a lot of the time, but other stuff he does just doesn’t reach the heights he is going for. The dude has been part of three underwhelming main events that couldn’t follow the show before it. This is especially true of Mania X-8 and Mania XXV. He just can’t shine in the star position, and he never has been able to. He got interest in early 2002, but it faded really fast.

In modern times, the H will lose, but make no mistake about who is going to be the bigger issue going forward. What did Seth get out of beating him? The following year, Seth’s opening the show in an IC Title match (just like Bryan). Beating him at Mania statistically means you are more likely to open the next year than main event.

He’s hit-and-miss, he doesn’t draw, it’s still all about him. How many people get turned off the product when they try and tune and be forced lies about this dude being one of the greatest of all-time? By what metric? He’s pushed way beyond his station, and WWE has suffered a serious case of dysphoria since he’s been pushed that way since about 2003. He really wants to be a star heel, but his only sustained value was circa 2000 when he was a great working heel for Rock. But he has to try and make himself the Flair, or the Vince.

And it gets really wiggy having the "mind for the business". Even giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying the majority of the success that NXT enjoys is due mostly to him, he can still be both a top-tier coach and a mediocre talent. And I will continue to call him mediocre, no matter how much it hurts James Steele's feelings specifically. He's pretty much on the other end of the "perception is reality" lens, and it feels painfully obvious to everyone that he never was as good as he is perpetually made out to be. He could have absolutely been top dog in a shitty indy/regional fed. Hell, if things went a totally different way for his career trajectory, he may have even been actual, earned upper eschelon of ECW.

Rafer Alston made it to the NBA. He had the talent to make roster. Played for a few teams over a number of years. But he never had the fame and noteriety he had like when he played on the AND1 tour. But imagine if the league decided to push the narrative that Skip To My Lou belonged in the same debates as Jordan or Magic or Iverson or LeBron? They would be outside their minds, and everyone would see how big of a lie that is.

Fox

03-25-2019, 01:36 AM

Mr. Nerfect

03-25-2019, 02:58 AM

Lol, Triple H is such a dick. He’s probably been roiding for the Batista match. He’s got a rep for being annoying for business people to deal with, and seeing him act like this elaborates why that might be. Triple H isn’t doing his job properly here. This guy won’t be able to handle the stresses of running WWE.

And when you want to talk about the success of NXT: what success? Don’t they run at a major deficit? I don’t think the Halftime Heat video had even a million views last I checked. I think there’s a reason they don’t have a TV deal. It’s well-received, critically, but only by the niche of the niche that watch it.

Ol Dirty Dastard

03-25-2019, 11:28 AM

I wanna root for DAMN iNATOR. But Noid knows what he’s talking about. Triple H is cool and all. I don’t mind him as a wrestler. But he’s definitely always sure to put himself in a position where you understand he’s more important than he actually is. He had no business going over Brock Lesnar. Ever. He let Brock go over in the rubber match at a B PPV so that his defenders could say “he lost the feud though!”. But history will show that he triumphed over the beast at the Granddaddy of Them All.

Agree 100%.

Evil Vito

03-25-2019, 10:41 PM

Lol just like at WM29, Triple H is putting his career on the line at MetLife

You know, just to kill any suspense that he might lose

#1-norm-fan

03-25-2019, 11:32 PM

What a conquering hero he’ll be.

slik

03-26-2019, 12:21 AM

Man, HHH was in a mood indeed

keeper2k

03-26-2019, 01:06 AM

YYYYYIKKKKKES That was uncomfortable lol....

But hey if you're gonna have a camera on you most of your life you will have some moments. Goddamn that was awkward.

Incredible 🤣😂

Mr. Nerfect

03-26-2019, 04:22 AM

Lol just like at WM29, Triple H is putting his career on the line at MetLife

You know, just to kill any suspense that he might lose

Wasn’t the plan to babyface himself?

AlexJones

03-26-2019, 04:55 AM

The globalists, the internet wrestling fans, hate anybody who's as powerful as Triple H, anybody that believes in the individual's on screen persona. And, the fact is, those people promote vitriol, blind tweener worship, and that's why they've got to be eradicated. What a horrible world if the system is successful.

Droford

03-26-2019, 08:04 AM

Batista should have had to put his acting career on the line too.

slik

03-26-2019, 09:24 AM

I would love if H lost and had to 'retire'

then this would build to Hunter coming out of retirement for 'one more match' at WM36, and that could be his big swan song.

Big Vic

03-26-2019, 10:05 AM

Saw the promo yesterday... wow this build sucks.

XL

03-26-2019, 06:32 PM

I would love if H lost and had to 'retire'

then this would build to Hunter coming out of retirement for 'one more match' at WM36, and that could be his big swan song.

Only if it’s against Baron Corbin.

XL

03-26-2019, 06:33 PM

In fact, Corbin could have the next Mania Streak of ending people’s careers.

AlexJones

03-26-2019, 07:29 PM

In fact, Corbin could have the next Mania Streak of ending people’s careers.

The reason there's so many Corbin haters now is because it's a chemical warfare operation, and I have the government documents where they said they're going to encourage homosexuality with chemicals so that people don't have children. Eliminating Corbin haters in the process.

GD

03-27-2019, 03:37 AM

I've been thoroughly disappointed with the buildup. With the exception of Batista's return and that "give me what I want" segment, everything seems lackluster and forced. The two solo promos that Hunter cut were subpar considering what he's capable of. Using Reid's death in his promo right after he cracked something funny didn't sit well with me. This whole "feud" feels like Hunter is doing a favor for Big Dave and it has certainly not lived up to the initial hype.

Mr. Nerfect

03-27-2019, 09:32 AM

Serious question: Is anyone that might be remotely interested in Batista wrestling in WWE, that might have been charmed by his charming appearance in some of the highest grossing films ever, seriously going to have their interest piqued by seeing him lose to a babyface Triple H? This would be like bringing Rock back as a heel just to put over Cena in 2012.

This company has gone completely tone-deaf when it comes to capturing any cultural zeitgeist.

And how detrimental is this shit to business? It’s hard to measure audiences that might be interested in you but aren’t, but how many people tune into WWE and see a wrinkled and roided Triple H still on top when they weren’t that into him 16 years ago? This is like if WCW had won the war in 1998 because Austin couldn’t come back and were the only thing going for two decades, and they could just do whatever they want, but people think it’s healthy because they get killer TV backing.