Poll: Is Monday Night Raw the worst show on television?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Please vote in poll above.






*note from author* this does not include other WWE properties such as NXT and Smackdown which are quite enjoyable.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The answer is Married at First Sight.

[Black Widow]

Nope.

There is plenty worse Maury,anything MTV related,Anything on BET.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Good discussion starter, STD. Thank you for responding. Question re: Married at First Sight. Does someone yell “Boss Time” when the couples first come out?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No but they should yell out 'MISTAKE'

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hmm. Interesting. Do their “segments” remind you of elementary school kids putting on skits?

[xrodmuc316]

I get you are trying to make a point, but there are hundreds of worse shows.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It's not even the worse show on USA Networks.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I get you are trying to make a point, but there are hundreds of worse shows.

Great comment. Looking forward to your list.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Let’s talk about the reasons to watch Raw. I’ll start:

1) I used to watch it when I was younger.

[screech]

Let’s talk about the reasons to watch Raw. I’ll start:

1) I used to watch it when I was younger.

2) I've had a crush on Stephanie McMahon since 1999.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

it is at least close to the worst. Can't make it through a segment. And it has nothing to do with it being wrestling. I can enjoy a house show from 1983 from the philly spectrum of msg in its entirety because of the authenticity and atmosphere.

The McMahons should be ashamed at what they've turned raw into. It is despicably bad television.

[xrodmuc316]

Great comment. Looking forward to your list.

There are maybe 10 good shows on television, every other show on TV is the list. Try tvguide.com any day you want, there is your list of worse shows.

[#1-norm-fan]

At least as far as scripted television goes, minute for minute, it HAS to be considered.

[#1-norm-fan]

There are maybe 10 good shows on television, every other show on TV is the list. Try tvguide.com any day you want, there is your list of worse shows.

Are you saying Raw is one of the 10 best shows on TV? That’s the only way that every other show would be on the list of worse shows than Raw.

[Evil Vito]

Considering the sheer amount of work it takes to even run the show from a production standpoint...fucking hell I feel bad the crew has to do all that shit week in week out only to churn out such a lousy product.

[Tom Guycott]

Well, since you threw that "minute for minute" qualifier in there, it might just be... since most of the time is ads with a lot of shit segments in between. And occasionally a good match, which used to be the point of this shit.

[Tom Guycott]

Some of that production bloat might be part of the problem, Vito. Especially when it comes to the "writing".

[Savio]

Raw is really bad but there is a lot of shit tv out there that is worse.... Total Divas for instance

[Tom Guycott]

Nope.

There is plenty worse Maury,anything MTV related,Anything on BET.

Look, I know your whole gimmick is being a racist twat and all, but BET is pretty low-hanging fruit. Hell, The Boondocks picked that apart like a decade ago (Aaron himself has always been super critical even when he was just doing the strip years before that), and that wasn't even when that network was at its worst.

And if you're going to take that shot, you have to concede that Lifetime is worse. Everything on there is either a love "comedy" set at Christmas, or of a woman who is "trapped" in an abusive and/or cheating doucebag relationship. That's it. They made a whole network based on the premise that all men are assholes... unless it's the holiday season when you should shack up with one.

[xrodmuc316]

Are you saying Raw is one of the 10 best shows on TV? That’s the only way that every other show would be on the list of worse shows than Raw.

You are missing the point, I am not saying Raw isn't mostly bad right now, but it is better than the majority of TV shows because that is how shitty most everything on TV is.

Not counting other wrestling shows, I would feel confident saying Raw is the 11th best show on TV.

Considering all the bullshit reality shows about every kind of job, stupid D list whores, and a bunch of different karaoke shows, that alone proves Raw is not the worst show on TV.

The poll question is flawed, because no, as bad as Raw can be, I'd still rather watch Corbin vs Crews 100% of the time over something like Keeping up with the Kardashians or Teen Mom. Raw at its worst is better than Parking Wars, a show that is literally about giving people parking tickets.

[#1-norm-fan]

I would rather GET a parking ticket than watch a Baron Corbin match.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Chrisley Knows Best.

[AlexJones]

It is every American's right to question globalists like Vince McMahon. Especially when he has seized to serve the commonwealth's interest and taking away basic liberties of every hard working American.

[xrodmuc316]

I would rather GET a parking ticket than watch a Baron Corbin match.

LOL, fair point.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s a really bad show, but is it the worst? I think it makes this blanket category of trash that is hard to quantify.

[Juan]

It’s definitely not the best show on television, but it’s far from the worst.

[slik]

It's not the worst

Overall though WWE has taken a big pretty big nosedive in quality the last two years. It's not the talent, they have the best talent they've ever had, it's entirely the creative aspect, commentary, horrible camera work and the overall booking of RAW and PPVs each week. SD is generally significantly better than RAW every week by a large margin. SD is better than most ppvs they produce actually.

[slik]

I don't foresee things changing for RAW either, from how they are now. Every time they promise change it just gets dressed up and called something else but all the problems remain.

They've taken a big hit in live viewers this year, larger than the drop cable is facing overall. They are down about 500,000 - 600,000 viewers each week from this time last year. I expect things to get back to really boring and dull post WM (especially w/ the matches advertised for EXTREME RULES in it's local markets) and ratings to go back to a 2.2-ish within a few months.

[slik]

Let’s talk about the reasons to watch Raw. I’ll start:

1) I used to watch it when I was younger.

Also, this is true.

I'm hoping if RAW keeps being really bad AEW will pop up and offer a good alternate to WWE (regardless of the night it airs) and I'd consider no longer watching RAW and giving AEW more of my attention as a fan.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Let’s talk about the reasons to watch Raw. I’ll start:

1) I used to watch it when I was younger.

2) I've had a crush on Stephanie McMahon since 1999.

Does anyone want to add to the list?

Maybe you really like Michael Cole telling us where Balor Club has come to that evening?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Maybe you really like Corey and Renee’s banter?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Maybe you really like the hard hitting backstage interviews of Charlie Caruso?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Maybe you love all the promos that somehow manage to come off both over rehearsed and under prepared?

[Droford]

Does anyone want to add to the list?

Maybe you really like Michael Cole telling us where Balor Club has come to that evening?

ITS BOSS TIME

[Sepholio]

I'm just gonna say this. WWE may be shit but everyone who voted it as the worst show on television is being completely hyperbolic and they know it.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I dunno, it's pretty damned stanky.

[Sepholio]

IJS if you think it's literally the worst either your sample size for television programs is very small or you have extremely weird taste that has you ranking utter filth ahead of RAW.

Besides, the worst show on TV is the 700 club. Or anything Kardashian related. Or *insert msm news talk show of choice here*. That racist bastard trying and failing to catch fish on some obscure public access channel that has 40 viewers. There are literally thousands of channels with even more shows on. It's damn near impossible to quantify what the worst show on TV is objectively. But I'm about as certain as is humanly possible that it isn't RAW.

That said; it is pretty damned stanky.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

say what you want about those shows. But none of them are 3 hours long

[Seanny One Ball]

I bet you all still watch it though

[RP]

It's gone beyond just people being out of touch. It's entered into a place of badness that no one has ever seen before. They literally play the same matches over and over. They've already spoiled WM 35. Finn is going to be the Demon. You can find that anywhere on the internet. This company is absolute shit. The worst thing for me personally is that my favorite person is Dean Ambrose and apparently he's gone after WM, but if not and it's a work, I firmly believe WWE will fuck that up.

I havent watched the last 3 weeks. There is no fucking way in hell you can get me to spend 8 hours of my fucking day watching WM. I'll be drunk the first 2 and passed out by hour 3.

I've never seen a more mismanaged company and i'm fucking stunned Fox hasnt terminated before it even gets started. Maybe Vince managed to negotiate one helluva deal.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm just gonna say this. WWE may be shit but everyone who voted it as the worst show on television is being completely hyperbolic and they know it.

Probably. But only because of the fact that we can’t see EVERY show. Just like the worst song of all time is probably some “cutting edge” attempt at music that is actually just noise that no one has ever heard of. But for the sake of actually having a discussion, it’s still fair to list, say, “Friday” or something as the worst song ever.

[Black Widow]

I bet you all still watch it thoughWhich is why they will never be taken seriously by WWE.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I bet you all still watch it though

Because I love wrestling I’ll try once or twice a year to watch raw. Usually can’t make it past a segment. Will grind through the odd ppv if there’s an interesting matchup but again maybe once or twice a year. I keep up with results in hopes that there is something to watch but usually it’s a lot of Baron Corbin.

[XL]

Not sure if it’s the dirt worst show on TV, but it might be objectively the worst show that I watch. Genuinely don’t think I would continue to watch other shows if their quality was as consistently iffy as Raw.

[Emperor Smeat]

Not sure if it’s the dirt worst show on TV, but it might be objectively the worst show that I watch. Genuinely don’t think I would continue to watch other shows if their quality was as consistently iffy as Raw.

This and why I voted "yes" on the poll.

There are worse shows on tv but I either don't bother to watch them or quickly lose all interest in wanting to continue watching. RAW has been the worst for long time shows I've watched especially in the wrestling genre.

Could probably argue Triple H's Reign of Terror, Cena being drafted to RAW, or the start of the 3 Hour Era is where RAW started its consistent decline in quality outside of brief moments here and there. For me personally, its been since Cena was drafted to RAW since that started the SuperCena era and its terrible effect on WWE's creative process for RAW.

[Seanny One Ball]

Three hours of RAW has how many minutes of actual wrestling?

[xrodmuc316]

Because I love wrestling I’ll try once or twice a year to watch raw. Usually can’t make it past a segment. Will grind through the odd ppv if there’s an interesting matchup but again maybe once or twice a year. I keep up with results in hopes that there is something to watch but usually it’s a lot of Baron Corbin.

That's a good point, someone like you who watches every so often should be a bit confused when you tune in, not caught up in 5 minutes.

Attitude Era gets praised for a lot of what they did great, but they don't get enough credit for constantly evolving characters. If you missed 3 straight weeks of Raw in 1998 for example, you would come back to at least 10 new things that happened in those 3 weeks you missed.

If you only watched Wrestlemnia 34 than Wrestlemania 35, the biggest changes you would wonder about is what happened to the guys from last year that were super over, Braun, Shinsuke, Rusev, Bobby Roode, Asuka, and Kevin Owens are at, since most of them are likely gonna end up on the preshow.

You are going to be surprised to see Daniel Bryan is a heel and The Miz is a face.

Other than that, what's changed? A few NXT Callups will be non factors on the show. You will see they have a women's tag title, and that most of the women are still as interchangeable as they were last year.

Brock Lesnar is still part time champ.
Seth Rollins is still a good worker.
AJ Styles is still a Babyface.
Randy Orton is still a Tweener.
The Cruiserweights still don't matter.
And what's this, a 14 years later Wrestlemania rematch with Batista and HHH, which they, I could have skipped 13 Manias and will still understand these guys fighting!


Since WWE constantly brags about being the longest episodic TV shows, they should actually make new episodes every week, not a constant replay of the same bouts for weeks on end.

[Emperor Smeat]

Three hours of RAW has how many minutes of actual wrestling?

Usually in the 30-50 minutes range according to PWI's weekly tally reports. Last week had 45 minutes and the week before was just 34 minutes.

[Seanny One Ball]

That's a fairly obvious problem then.
Building a coherent storyline is best done in the ring.

[rez]

Bachelor is on Mondays, right?..

Yeah...gonna go with RAW.

[Juan]

Maybe you love all the promos that somehow manage to come off both over rehearsed and under prepared?

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that you’re not a fan.

[Nicky Fives]

As long as anything involving Kardashians or The Bachelor is on TV, not even close....

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that you’re not a fan.

You go out on that limb, but you be careful young man. Climbing trees is dangerous.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

As long as anything involving Kardashians or The Bachelor is on TV, not even close....

Alright so we’ve seen the Kardashians and the Bachelor brought up a few times now as examples of worse shows than Raw. Are they?

Explain to me why Monday Night Raw is a better show.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I watch neither the Kardashians nor the Bachelor but can guarantee you both are easier watches than RAW by virtue of show length and better production.

[Big Vic]

I'd still rather watch Raw over C-Span... or boxing

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Nobody has refuted Chrisley Knows Best as being worse than Raw. Poll disqualified.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I'm just gonna say this. WWE may be shit but everyone who voted it as the worst show on television is being completely hyperbolic and they know it.

This. THIS. A million times THIS. I will never know why people nowadays have to make everything either the best or the worst. Things in life aren't always black and white, there's quite a bit of middle ground.

"I touched this fire and it burned me, it's literally the worst, most useless thing ever." GTFO.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

This. THIS. A million times THIS. I will never know why people nowadays have to make everything either the best or the worst. Things in life aren't always black and white, there's quite a bit of middle ground.

"I touched this fire and it burned me, it's literally the worst, most useless thing ever." GTFO.

DAMN, if you’re going to rage against hyperbole, it’s probably not the best look to do so while saying “A million times THIS” and “people have to make everything either the best or the worst.”

It kinda sounds like you like hyperbole. :y:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also, all you guys who are so outraged by the question, feel free to explain why you believe Raw is a better show than the examples given. Or feel free to add to the list of reasons to watch Raw. So far the only reason contributed is that screech got a boner 20 years ago. And frankly, that’s not a big motivator to me. Sorry screech.

[Seanny One Ball]

Do you like apples, DAMN?

[Seanny One Ball]

So far the only reason contributed is that screech got a boner 20 years ago. And frankly, that’s not a big motivator to me. Sorry screech.



A twelve year old's boner is never enough for Supreme.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I need 3 or 4 to even start the conversation

[DAMN iNATOR]

Also, all you guys who are so outraged by the question, feel free to explain why you believe Raw is a better show than the examples given. Or feel free to add to the list of reasons to watch Raw. So far the only reason contributed is that screech got a boner 20 years ago. And frankly, that’s not a big motivator to me. Sorry screech.

There's plenty of worse shows on TV. Ever watch any of those reality game shows or just reality shows? They are the LJN of television today.

[DAMN iNATOR]

DAMN, if you’re going to rage against hyperbole, it’s probably not the best look to do so while saying “A million times THIS” and “people have to make everything either the best or the worst.”

It kinda sounds like you like hyperbole. :y:

I meant what I said, right down to the millionth time, and that's not hyperbole, either. It's a fact.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Do you like apples, DAMN?

Literally the most MEH thing ever. :shifty:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

There's plenty of worse shows on TV. Ever watch any of those reality game shows or just reality shows? They are the LJN of television today.

You guys keep saying there are worse shows out there but no one has given a reason why Raw is better than those shows.

[Seanny One Ball]

An opinion based closed question is not something which anybody should ever feel compelled to give more than a yes/no/other answer to...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I mean that’s not even remotely true.

[Seanny One Ball]

I think you'll find it is. You didn't ask for further qualification or support behind the opinion in the OP and your poll indicates a general interest in the overall response rather than the rationale behind it.

If you want full answers, ask open questions. That's what they are fucking for.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Let’s talk about the reasons to watch Raw. I’ll start:

1) I used to watch it when I was younger.

Alright so we’ve seen the Kardashians and the Bachelor brought up a few times now as examples of worse shows than Raw. Are they?

Explain to me why Monday Night Raw is a better show.

Also, all you guys who are so outraged by the question, feel free to explain why you believe Raw is a better show than the examples given. Or feel free to add to the list of reasons to watch Raw. So far the only reason contributed is that screech got a boner 20 years ago. And frankly, that’s not a big motivator to me. Sorry screech.

You guys keep saying there are worse shows out there but no one has given a reason why Raw is better than those shows.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I’m not sure what you’re talking about Seanny

[#1-norm-fan]

Reality shows are an easy answer because “lol reality shows are for dumb people.” I’d like to hear how exactly Raw is currently superior to reality TV in general though.

[Seanny One Ball]

I’m not sure what you’re talking about Seanny

Those are follow up questions that again, people do not have to give you answers to.

Furthermore no question demands a response at all. If you're met with any answer it is a pleasantry rather than an entitlement.

[Seanny One Ball]

Supreme probably broke a few monitors in the A/S/L? days...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Those are follow up questions that again, people do not have to give you answers to.

Furthermore no question demands a response at all. If you're met with any answer it is a pleasantry rather than an entitlement.

I really have no idea what your point is. This is literally true for every conversation in life other than sworn testimony.

[Seanny One Ball]

Unbelievable

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Pathetic

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Anyway, even though you don’t have to and this is completely voluntary, would you please be so kind as to state in detail why you believe your position is correct regarding your television opinions? I would greatly appreciate it. But no pressure.

[Seanny One Ball]

Yep, you certainly are.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

We got your opinion that message boards aren’t mandatory. No one is arguing. We’re moving on.

[Seanny One Ball]

Anyway, even though you don’t have to and this is completely voluntary, would you please be so kind as to state in detail why you believe your position is correct regarding your television opinions? I would greatly appreciate it. But no pressure.

See, I knew you'd get there.

[Seanny One Ball]

We got your opinion that message boards aren’t mandatory. No one is arguing. We’re moving on.


Who's we?

[Seanny One Ball]

I hate that tactic. The old "We" when it's just me and you. Gated community style.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I’m under no obligation to answer your question. Moving on.

[#1-norm-fan]

What the fuck just happened?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

We had a lot of discussion about if message board questions require a response, and very little discussion about why Raw is better than the Kardashians.


My position on both remains unchanged.

[Seanny One Ball]

Sorry for ruining your Black Panther party.

I couldn't help myself, I was having too much fun.

[Simple Fan]

Nope.

There is plenty worse Maury,anything MTV related,Anything on BET.

This isn't true, BET plays the shit out of Martin and it's way better than current Raw.

[Anybody Thrilla]

My enjoyment of Raw has increased exponentially since I can't watch live and I just watch the condensed Hulu version. Seems to trim a lot of the fat. I don't know exactly what I'm missing, but I guess that means I'm not missing anything.

[Heisenberg]

I don't miss the commercials, at allllllllll

[Anybody Thrilla]

It also kinda helps me to enjoy the program when I'm not chatting about it on a message board where hardly anyone enjoys hardly any of it. No offense.

[screech]

My enjoyment of Raw has increased exponentially since I can't watch live and I just watch the condensed Hulu version. Seems to trim a lot of the fat. I don't know exactly what I'm missing, but I guess that means I'm not missing anything.

This really is the best way to watch RAW.

[Seanny One Ball]

RAW!

What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Raw is War. Full circle.

[Mr. Nerfect]

IJS if you think it's literally the worst either your sample size for television programs is very small or you have extremely weird taste that has you ranking utter filth ahead of RAW.

Besides, the worst show on TV is the 700 club. Or anything Kardashian related. Or *insert msm news talk show of choice here*. That racist bastard trying and failing to catch fish on some obscure public access channel that has 40 viewers. There are literally thousands of channels with even more shows on. It's damn near impossible to quantify what the worst show on TV is objectively. But I'm about as certain as is humanly possible that it isn't RAW.

That said; it is pretty damned stanky.

I'm not fan of the Kardashians, but I guarantee it is better produced than Raw. Like, the content isn't for me, but there's no way it's worse than Raw, lol.

I bet you all still watch it though

Nope.

DAMN, if you’re going to rage against hyperbole, it’s probably not the best look to do so while saying “A million times THIS” and “people have to make everything either the best or the worst.”

It kinda sounds like you like hyperbole. :y:

:lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I also meant to quote #1-wwf-fan's comment about rather getting a parking ticket than watch Baron Corbin. That was great.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It also kinda helps me to enjoy the program when I'm not chatting about it on a message board where hardly anyone enjoys hardly any of it. No offense.

you also lack in good taste.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think the only times I’ve really enjoyed watching WWE over the past few years is when I’ve watched it with others who hardly enjoy any of it and we watch it MST3K style. The handful of times I’ve tried to just watch alone, it’s been a chore.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I was watching the Royal Rumble with one of my roommates and his girlfriend, and they were mostly making fun of it. It was a lot more fun than talking about how the booking was stupid and how Vince is out of touch or whatever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve watched with a few casuals, and what’s surprised me as a recurring theme is how many
Of them hate Dolph Ziggler. “Hate” might be a strong word, but most of them found him really annoying.

[Anybody Thrilla]

It's probably his hair.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's probably his hair.

They didn’t like his hair! They often didn’t like his cool, in general. One of these times around the time he was wearing the paint on his face. I’ve heard him called a “freak” and a “try-hard.

[XL]

When did he wear face paint?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I used the wrong term. He used to do the commando streaks on the face for a while there, like Rambo or something.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On a related note, does anyone actually miss Ziggler? It really doesn’t seem to matter that he’s gone, and I can’t think of an interesting thing I’d have him do.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I was watching the Royal Rumble with one of my roommates and his girlfriend, and they were mostly making fun of it. It was a lot more fun than talking about how the booking was stupid and how Vince is out of touch or whatever.

I've watched the show with other people where we've done the same thing and there's some merit to what you're saying. Unfortunately, RAW is a weekly 3 hour show on a Monday and you can't always have your friends over to rip the shit out of it.

Also, wrestling's quality can go far beyond "cheesy show my friends hate-watch with me."

It can actually just be good and not the fucking worst thing ever.

Again, I watch house shows from 1984 where the in-ring quality is horrendous and I'm 100% sure most people here would hate it. Yet I love it. So I just don't think your point holds any weight. More just seems like you're propping yourself up on a pedestal for being better at watching wrestling than other people (surprise, surprise).

Not liking the current state of wrestling doesn't have to do with other people not liking it. It has to do with the fact that it sucks.

[#1-norm-fan]

I just don’t get how watching it with people “making fun of it” is fun but when they shit on the booking, THAT’S the line.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thrilla is just taking an anti-cynicism approach. In reality, I'm not a cynical person either. But when you are trying to get some legitimate and sincere enjoyment out of pro-wrestling in 2019, it's a fucking hard disposition not to take, and it's not fans' fault for thinking it sucks. Especially when the only way to enjoy it yourself is with people mocking it.

[Tom Guycott]

My enjoyment of Raw has increased exponentially since I can't watch live and I just watch the condensed Hulu version. Seems to trim a lot of the fat. I don't know exactly what I'm missing, but I guess that means I'm not missing anything.

I don't know if it has gotten any better than it used to be since i got rid of Hulu years ago (Seriously, why charge people for a commercial-free experience, then keep charging them but add commercials as well? Defeats the purpose of me giving you money, dickheads!), but they used to trim too much of the fat much like AM RAW. They would crop commercials (with a big fucking asterisk, see my previous bitch about that), and if you didn't care for the pomp and circumstance, all the entrances were gone as well... but then they would also cut some backstage segments, sections of matches, and sometimes even entire matches that could fuck up context, like that missing match being an important angle setup for next Monday, but you won't know what that person is talking about when they say "remember what you did to me last week?"

Sometimes, some of that stuff cropped could be as important as the matches themselves, and you're leaving it in the hands of a production crew to arbitrarily decide what was "must see" for the sake of brevity.

What I'm getting at is, hopefully in your case, they aren't making a bad show worse by bad editing.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They aren't getting strangers to marry each other for the enjoyment of an audience.

They don't give somebody a briefcase and make them open others to find out how much money they could win.

They don't glorify three useless women and the rest of their family and elevate them to superstar status because their original dad got OJ Simpson off of murder chargers.

Whatever Crissley knows best and the spinoffs are.

[#1-norm-fan]

They once did a horribly acted skit that parodied a Jerry Springer episode as a prank on Jerry Springer to no ones enjoyment.

They give people briefcases that allow them to pin half dead people to win titles.

They glorify plenty of useless people. The fact that they don’t have the ability to elevate any of them to stardom isn’t exactly a point in their favour.

You’re gonna have to try WAY harder if you want to convince people WWE is above any of these shows you’re referencing.

[#1-norm-fan]

Vince would fucking jump at the chance to have a Kardashian on his show. It’s just more cost-effective to have Grumpy Cat guest host.

[Tom Guycott]

One, I was going to mention MitB, and Fan bet me to it.

Two, you shut your goddamn mouth about Deal or No Deal! Watching people throw away life-changing money just for the chance of a larger amount of life-changing money is schadenfreude-tastic!!!

[DAMN iNATOR]

They once did a horribly acted skit that parodied a Jerry Springer episode as a prank on Jerry Springer to no ones enjoyment.

The same could easily be said of that entire Bella Twins feud...wasn't it just some horribly contrived "blood feud" to try and drive up ratings for Total Bellas?

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh yeah. The Bella blood feud that ended when Brie was forced to be Nikki’s slave for a month and before the month was even over, they were randomly friendly again with no explanation.

Seriously, that is some shitty writing that is unrivalled by anything else on TV. If you just TRY to tell a logical story, you’ve got that beat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more WWE really creeps down there. It doesn’t even achieve what it sets out to do. The only thing I will say is that TNA is still on TV, if you count it’s channel with under 60,000 viewers TV.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

They aren't getting strangers to marry each other for the enjoyment of an audience.

They don't give somebody a briefcase and make them open others to find out how much money they could win.

They don't glorify three useless women and the rest of their family and elevate them to superstar status because their original dad got OJ Simpson off of murder chargers.

Whatever Crissley knows best and the spinoffs are.

lol you are such a fuckwit. I love that your ego won't allow you to admit that the kardashians are better t.v. than the WWE. You're a sad, semen-encrusted man.

[Evil Vito]

Oh yeah. The Bella blood feud that ended when Brie was forced to be Nikki’s slave for a month and before the month was even over, they were randomly friendly again with no explanation.

lol and this was AFTER Nikki had wished that her own twin had died in the womb

[LibSuperstar]

I don't watch TV and I doubt RAW is the worst show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can't believe the WWE actually think that they deserve Emmys.

[Seanny One Ball]

Curt Nennig

[Sixx]

I'm npt sure if it's still going but 2 Broke Girls.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Does anyone want to add to the list?

Maybe you really like Michael Cole telling us where Balor Club has come to that evening?

Maybe you like the satisfying conclusions to their main events?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The answer is officially yes.

[Lock Jaw]

I bet Game of Thrones is going to end when Conan the Barbarian and He-Man run in and beat up both the Night King and Jon Snow.

[Tom Guycott]

I bet Game of Thrones is going to end when Conan the Barbarian and He-Man run in and beat up both the Night King and Jon Snow.

Not even proper 80's He-Man. "New Adventures of" version with short hair and the skinny jeans.

[Bobholly138]

Fuck no. Tripe like Friends,Fresh Prince and SVU are much worse.

[Evil Vito]

Don't hate on Friends. THEY WERE ON A GODDAMN BREAK.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fuck no. Tripe like Friends,Fresh Prince and SVU are much worse.

Lol, Friends and Fresh Prince?

[screech]

Fuck no. Tripe like Friends,Fresh Prince and SVU are much worse.

I would much rather watch reruns of all of these shows than current episodes of RAW.

[#1-norm-fan]

What odd examples. Lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

SVU gets over 5 million viewers an episode. So it's more watched than WWE. So, by that metric it's not worse than Raw. I mean, if you don't like police procedurals then that's fine, but as far as prime time drama goes, I think it's fairly well respected and no one would say it isn't well made. Mariska Hargitay gets more Brock Lesnar money than Brock Lesnar for working that show.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I'm npt sure if it's still going but 2 Broke Girls.

I don't think so, but The Big Bang Theory is in its final (thank fuck) season.

You want to talk about garbage TV? I dare you to top Two And-A-Half Men. Unwatchable, even with Angus T. Jones and that woman from the pizzeria scene (the "I'm gonna cut you into 12 slices of bitch-eroni!" woman) from Mr. Deeds couldn't salvage it even a little bit. Charlie Sheen thinks he's so funny, but he's lowest common denominator BS.

[DAMN iNATOR]

SVU gets over 5 million viewers an episode. So it's more watched than WWE. So, by that metric it's not worse than Raw. I mean, if you don't like police procedurals then that's fine, but as far as prime time drama goes, I think it's fairly well respected and no one would say it isn't well made. Mariska Hargitay gets more Brock Lesnar money than Brock Lesnar for working that show.

Give me N.Y.P.D. Blue any day over the rest. Dennis Franz as snarky and always angry Detective Andy Sipowicz kicks ass.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think so, but The Big Bang Theory is in its final (thank fuck) season.

You want to talk about garbage TV? I dare you to top Two And-A-Half Men. Unwatchable, even with Angus T. Jones and that woman from the pizzeria scene (the "I'm gonna cut you into 12 slices of bitch-eroni!" woman) from Mr. Deeds couldn't salvage it even a little bit. Charlie Sheen thinks he's so funny, but he's lowest common denominator BS.

I don't like that show either, but when you're talking lowest common denominator BS, isn't wrestling down there too?

Also, it ended, like, four years ago.

[#1-norm-fan]

I can’t stand Big Bang Theory but it’s WAY better written than the lazy nothingness that is Raw.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, that's a point too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jesus Christ, Stephanie McMahon is both a heel and a face on the same show some weeks.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Jesus Christ, Stephanie McMahon is both a heel and a face on the same show some weeks.

We call those characters "tweeners".

[Mr. Nerfect]

We call those characters "tweeners".

No "we" don't. You do. And that's not even a correct definition of a tweener. A tweener is someone between the face and heel dichotomy, usually transitioning from one to the other. It's often code for "not over." But that's not the same as being a heel in one segment and a babyface in another.

[DAMN iNATOR]

No "we" don't. You do. And that's not even a correct definition of a tweener. A tweener is someone between the face and heel dichotomy, usually transitioning from one to the other. It's often code for "not over." But that's not the same as being a heel in one segment and a babyface in another.

:roll:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wtf. You interject and then roll your eyes? What even are you? Go to bed.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Wtf. You interject and then roll your eyes? What even are you? Go to bed.

Yes, I should go to bed at 7 at night because clearly I'm either a kindergartener or a geriatric. Fuck you.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well, the shoe fits there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is it possible to be both?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, imagine thinking that Stephanie McMahon was a tweener.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yes, I should go to bed at 7 at night because clearly I'm either a kindergartener or a geriatric. Fuck you.

You could work a late shift.

[slik]

It's working hard to try and get there as of late.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Has anybody not voted that is going to? Looks like Raw wins.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

STD, you feel pretty strongly about this. Give us a reason to watch Raw. What makes Raw not terrible in your opinion?

[#1-norm-fan]

Has anybody not voted that is going to? Looks like Raw wins.

Currently a tie. Plus the fact that a lot of people who voted “no” did so while commenting that it’s really bad, just not the worst...

Big win

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

STD, you feel pretty strongly about this. Give us a reason to watch Raw. What makes Raw not terrible in your opinion?

Wrestlers work hard for your entertainment. More in-ring product than during the attitude era. Everybody is a top-tier athlete.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Nobody voting Yes has refuted the point about Chrisley Knows Best.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Wrestlers work hard for your entertainment. More in-ring product than during the attitude era. Everybody is a top-tier athlete.

Lots of people work hard. The Kardashians work hard. Hitler worked hard. That doesn’t mean they’re entertaining. Which part of “they’re trying their best” is supposed to entice viewers to watch Raw?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

the people producing Chrisley knows best probably work hard too.

Anyways, you know what's sad? I'd rather watch a 1985 squash match between Randy Savage and Rick QuickDraw McGraw than Seth Rollins vs AJ Styles. I like those guys a lot but RAW and WWE is so shit that despite the immense athleticism and 'workrate' of those involved, the matches aren't really that entertaining. Just a bunch of moves and a story that exists in a vacuum.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nobody voting Yes has refuted the point about Chrisley Knows Best.

I bet you that Chrisley Knows Best, whatever the fuck that is, is better produced for its genre than WWE is for its. I take your Chrisley Knows Best and raise you this gif:

http://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2019/03/7f5dc7e242977ed0-600x338.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

They seriously think they deserve Emmys.

[#1-norm-fan]

STD, you feel pretty strongly about this. Give us a reason to watch Raw. What makes Raw not terrible in your opinion?

Wrestlers work hard for your entertainment. More in-ring product than during the attitude era. Everybody is a top-tier athlete.

This is the stupidest fucking argument I’ve ever heard.

And I’ve engaged in conversations with Droford, FFS.

[screech]

Wrestlers work hard for your entertainment. More in-ring product than during the attitude era. Everybody is a top-tier athlete.

More in-ring product doesn't automatically mean good TV.

For example, Baron Corbin is a featured act on RAW and he fucking sucks. More Baron Corbin matches means the show is objectively worse.

See also: Lashley.

[#1-norm-fan]

I give 0 shits about more in-ring product if there’s no stories being told or the stories being told are shit. And I’m pretty sure I’m in the vast majority of potential viewers.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I give 0 shits about more in-ring product if there’s no stories being told or the stories being told are shit. And I’m pretty sure I’m in the vast majority of potential viewers.

What’s this? You don’t find wrestlers wrestling to build momentum a compelling storyline? What about wrestlers trying to get on a roll? What about wrestlers trying to make a statement? No? Jesus, you’re tough. You should be more grateful that these wrestlers are working hard for your entertainment.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’d accept just building momentum or wrestling simply because winning matches is important as a story. Even pre-2000s squash matches told a story. Doesn’t have to be too complex.

I have no idea why most matches in WWE nowadays happen. They drill the point home that the outcomes don’t mean anything. So fuck the in-ring product.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ricochet losing to Bobby Roode but then getting put into Money in the Bank might seem inconsequential, but it’s a wonderful example of this company just not making sense and things happening for no reason.

[screech]

Was catching up on Smackdown today and I realized that it is so much better than RAW because (among other things) Michael Cole is not there. I don't know if it's been mentioned here, but his grating voice yelling "IT'S BOSS TIME" and shit really hurts the show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The commentary is all-round terrible though.

[Emperor Smeat]

Was catching up on Smackdown today and I realized that it is so much better than RAW because (among other things) Michael Cole is not there. I don't know if it's been mentioned here, but his grating voice yelling "IT'S BOSS TIME" and shit really hurts the show.

The only irritating thing about Smackdown's commentary is whenever Graves continues his shtick from RAW with the random bickering to Saxton. Once in a while its funny but most of the time it just comes off as him being really irritating.

Started to appreciate Saxton more on commentary when he was paired with Percy Watson for the Worlds Collide specials since it showed he can be pretty decent on commentary when given a more relaxed or friendly environment to do so.

[slik]

Tom Phillips is a massive improvement over Michael Cole and he and Graves work well together.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Saxton is by far the best main show commentator they have simply because he knows when to shut the fuck up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I watched a few segments on SmackDown the other week. Saxton was a lot less irritating than I remember. He was still not good, by any stretch, but commentary has gotten so bad that he seems like one of their best.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Does anyone want to add to the list?

Maybe you really like Michael Cole telling us where Balor Club has come to that evening?

Maybe you like a wrestling show with no wrestling?

[Anybody Thrilla]

After this week's Raw, I am changing my answer to "yes".

[XL]

Welcome to the party!!

[slik]

It's started to affect SDLive too.

I had to turn my beloved brand blue off when I saw a graphic onscreen saying "Tonight is Shane McMahon Appreciation Night".

[Luigi]

Unfortunately for the WWE, the Creative team isn't "creative" enough to come up with compelling characters that can captivate an audience or bring in new fans. Hence - instead of building two brands and increasing the overall depth of both shows, you now have two very sub-par rosters. The same thing happened 17 years ago when the WWE attempted the roster split. I have been a wrestling fan for quite some time and so it's entirely possible that I know what I'm talking about here.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think we need to update the question. It’s clear Raw is the worst show on television now. But where does Raw rank as the worst show in television history?

Sound off in the replies below.

[Bad News Gertner]

The constant camera cuts alone have made it the most unwatchable show ever before we even get into creative.

[erickman]

I think we need to update the question. It’s clear Raw is the worst show on television now. But where does Raw rank as the worst show in television history?

Sound off in the replies below.

here is a good one which is a better show raw or impact

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Impact by a country mile.

[erickman]

guess roh beats raw too

[Bad News Gertner]

Impact is a fun watch

[Bad News Gertner]

I've been to Impact tapings since D'Amore and crew took over and they are a lot of fun. They used to tape shows in my city pre-pandemic

[xrodmuc316]

You are missing the point, I am not saying Raw isn't mostly bad right now, but it is better than the majority of TV shows because that is how shitty most everything on TV is.

Not counting other wrestling shows, I would feel confident saying Raw is the 11th best show on TV.

Considering all the bullshit reality shows about every kind of job, stupid D list whores, and a bunch of different karaoke shows, that alone proves Raw is not the worst show on TV.

The poll question is flawed, because no, as bad as Raw can be, I'd still rather watch Corbin vs Crews 100% of the time over something like Keeping up with the Kardashians or Teen Mom. Raw at its worst is better than Parking Wars, a show that is literally about giving people parking tickets.

Still 100% true.

Raw is even worse now than 2 years ago, but any wrestling show beats 99% of reality shows, singing or dancing competitions, or murder reenactment shows.

Other than other wrestling shows or live sports, television is pretty bad. It's why all the streaming companies win all the TV awards when they technically aren't even TV shows.

[Destor]

netflix green lights some real shit. raw is lightyears better than some of the shit youll find on there

[Emperor Smeat]

I think we need to update the question. It’s clear Raw is the worst show on television now. But where does Raw rank as the worst show in television history?

Sound off in the replies below.

Probably a tier or two above all-time worst tier since those type of terrible shows rarely last long or get canned very quickly.

RAW's been more bad than good throughout its history but most of its bad has been mediocre instead of outright terrible. Only reason its still in a comfortable spot on USA Network is solely due to USA Network's failure at creating enough big hit shows to ever be a real threat to RAW.

NXT's move to Tuesdays shows what would happen to RAW if USA Network ever got a strong enough replacement for it.

[Fignuts]

netflix green lights some real shit. raw is lightyears better than some of the shit youll find on there

They certainly do, but they also have quite a lot of really good shows and movies that I would much rather watch, than an episode of raw.

[Destor]

They certainly do, but they also have quite a lot of really good shows and movies that I would much rather watch, than an episode of raw.
well im certainly not sayin "fuck netflix its shit" im just saying the crown for "worst shit on TV" is only RAW if you're being reactionary.

[Destor]

for instance go watch "bonding" and tell me its better than even the worst single segment
of raw you can think of. there's some bottom of the barrel content out there that would make me beg for raw.

[Sepholio]

Yea it is nowhere near close to the worse show on TV. Not even in the bottom half.

[Sixx]

If TNA is on TV (I don't know if it is) then WWE is not even the worst wrestling on TV.

[RP]

I was red hot about AEW and I really loved it for the first 6 months or so. Then i started to sour on it. Now i watch it maybe two times a month. I think they are bad. But not nearly as bad as WWE Monday Night RAW. The things i see on RAW are absolutely terrible. The things i see on Smackdown are mostly terrible except Reigns and Bryan and anyone involved in that storyline ( though i'm coming around to the Crews, Nigerian storyline because they finally are doing something legit with him and I kinda like it ).

RAW has been so bad. And the saddest thing about it is that McIntyre should be a mega superstar. They had no idea what to do with him. They've squandered him beyond belief.

I do give kudos to WWE finally giving Lashley a run, but they are so late to the party on Lashley and because of it, they might be late to the party on McIntyre and they have really fucked themselves. Not to mention the entire RAW show is so unwatchable. I'm not sure who is writing that shit but there is 0 continuation, 0 heart, 0 urgency, 0 everything. WWE could actually just book house shows as a RAW show and get away with it at this point. It would be no different than what they are doing now.

WWE/WWF used to have patience. They used to tell a story. Now it seems like they hope the fans make a superstar for them. And even if the fans make a superstar for them, they manage to fuck that up too!

Money has become so involved with the WWE product, that I'm not sure they can ever recover and put a decent product out for the regular fan.

If i were running WWE and money were not involved, I would put Roman Reigns on RAW right now. But money and contracts are involved. So that will never happen. And so the WWE product has become a mainstream rich mans product.

WWE has literally evolved past the regular internet forum fan. And it's not coming back.