Official ROH/NJPW G1 SuperCard at MSG Thread

[Droford]

Because I'm fucking here https://i.ibb.co/BZ8hQj7/MVIMG-20190406-180715.jpg[/url]

[Droford]

Lol #watchrohthrowthisguyout if you do something to get ejected

[slik]

Nice, have fun @ Droford & @ Jordan X

[slik]

Set looks cool

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[slik]

What's the crowd energy like so far?

[Droford]

What's the crowd energy like so far?

Half empty

[Droford]

Really overdoing strobe lights

[Droford]

6 woman tag was ok didn't help the only thing I knew about it was the Twitter post

[Droford]

Kenny king #1 honor rumble 2 is minoru Suzuki

[Emperor Smeat]

Did ROH forget to pay the rights for Suzuki's theme?

Nevermind, live crowd got the real theme and stream got the dubbed/fake one.

[Emperor Smeat]

Wonder who else from NJPW that ROH didn't get the rights to air their theme on stream since Taguchi also got the dubbed treatment.

[Emperor Smeat]

Wonder who else from NJPW that ROH didn't get the rights to air their theme on stream since Taguchi also got the dubbed treatment.

Add Liger to the list.

[Emperor Smeat]

Muta's mask looks amazing.

Also holy shit at them getting Great Muta for this show.

[Droford]

Lol Kenny king sneaks in and eliminate muta and liger to win

[Emperor Smeat]

Honor Rumble ending was bad.

[Simple Fan]

Honor Rumble was decent. Muta and Haku were good surprises. Wasn't big on Kenny King winning after hiding most the match.

[Evil Vito]

Have a few minutes to kill before the main show starts. The Rumble was a blast live. I saw Kenny go over the ropes that the refs didn’t see and slide under the ring so I worked out the ending. But that was great.

I saw Jushin Fucking Liger vs The Great Fucking Muta!!! :D

[Evil Vito]

I’m in section 117. Fucking near-perfect view. These seats were a steal.

[Jordan]

https://twitter.com/biff_jordan/status/1114670846575087619?s=21

[Jordan]

Vito I’m in 105 and it’s a little better here

[Jordan]

There is this strip of empty seats but other than that it seems full.

[Jordan]

There is a buzz. This is gonna be special.

[Ultra Mantis]

Poor New Japan Dads not even getting a rumble spot, third generation must always suffer. Goto went out like a bitch too, as usual.

Kingdom doing the Big Show and Kane routine was just depressing.

Lots of good moments though. Yano / Colt, Haku, Muta / Liger, Fale somehow not killing himself, Bushi hate train, Ishii and Suzuki, reasonable warm up. Commentary oddly burying Chase and YOSHI-HASHI was weird.

[dronepool]

My friend is there, I'm using his account and watching. I'm happy for the talent and hope this becomes an yearly thing.

[Jordan]

Holy hot opener!

[Jordan]

Place is full minus a strip of like 30 seats. Could be vip idk

[Emperor Smeat]

Guess Dalton doesn't like his Boys anymore.

[slik]

Just signed up for NJPW World for a month to watch the G1Supercard

Sounds like I missed Ospreay already -- have I missed Sanada or ZSJ? Camera work and production work are all fantastic in Madison Square Garden.

[Jordan]

No you missed Cobb/ ospreay, rush/castle which was a squash for rush.

[Jordan]

Girls are on now, they look good!

[slik]

Thx!

I'll try and figure out how to watch those later.

[Emperor Smeat]

Just signed up for NJPW World for a month to watch the G1Supercard

Sounds like I missed Ospreay already -- have I missed Sanada or ZSJ? Camera work and production work are all fantastic in Madison Square Garden.

Still 3 matches to go before the Tag title vs Tag title match with Sanada and then Sabre's match after it.

[Simple Fan]

Kelly should have been the first ROH women's champion.

[slik]

WTF

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Someone just attacked Bret Hart at the WWE Hall Of Fame <a href="https://t.co/gcRgXPqOvL">pic.twitter.com/gcRgXPqOvL</a></p>&mdash; The Mighty King ScottyVia™ (@ScottyVia) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottyVia/status/1114683763584262145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Literally on the verge of tears. Some horrible bastard fan just rushed the the ring and rugby tackled poor Bret Hart. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEHOF?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEHOF</a> <a href="https://t.co/DPGUVrmmpK">pic.twitter.com/DPGUVrmmpK</a></p>&mdash; Gorilla Position (@WWEGP) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEGP/status/1114683686673362945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Jordan]

Can’t believe the Bret Hart thing. Fucking loser.

[erickman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Literally on the verge of tears. Some horrible bastard fan just rushed the the ring and rugby tackled poor Bret Hart. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEHOF?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEHOF</a> <a href="https://t.co/DPGUVrmmpK">pic.twitter.com/DPGUVrmmpK</a></p>&mdash; Gorilla Position (@WWEGP) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEGP/status/1114683686673362945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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whats slater doing

[Emperor Smeat]

No wonder Madison Rayne threw shade at ROH earlier this week. They still went ahead with stealing her idea for a Beautiful People's reunion and keeping Mandy Leon as the leader.

:lol: crowd booing the concert break.

[slik]

So far my impression of this is:

ROH sucks

I like NJPW

[erickman]

So far my impression of this is:

ROH sucks

I like NJPW

yeah roh is not as good as it used to be

[Jordan]

Okay you guys Flip is awesome

[Emperor Smeat]

Street Fight dragged on too long but the ending was really good.

[Droford]

Guess Dalton doesn't like his Boys anymore.

He got a taste of Dave Lagreccaa wife's pierogi's at the busted open show

[Emperor Smeat]

IWGP Jr 3-way match was great overall.

[slik]

Dragon Lee is awesome

[Droford]

Everything here on out should be great

[slik]

OMG dude got Bret and Natalya both down

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The attack on Bret Hart &amp; Natalya.<br>What a disgusting act. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEHOF?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEHOF</a> <a href="https://t.co/3IwjyhMGzX">pic.twitter.com/3IwjyhMGzX</a></p>&mdash; WΞ FIGHT. WΞ OVΞRCOMΞ. WΞ BΞLIΞVΞ. (@AhYezzir) <a href="https://twitter.com/AhYezzir/status/1114691725845508096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Jordan]

Man this is the best venue. Barclays is great too but this is. MSG BABY!

[slik]

SANADA with a bad ass entrance

[slik]

TPWW's #1 Sanada fan, slik

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: PCO forgot to grab his half of the ROH tag belts after doing the pre-entrance routine. Good thing Destro bailed him out.

[Emperor Smeat]

OMG dude got Bret and Natalya both down

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The attack on Bret Hart &amp; Natalya.<br>What a disgusting act. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEHOF?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEHOF</a> <a href="https://t.co/3IwjyhMGzX">pic.twitter.com/3IwjyhMGzX</a></p>&mdash; WΞ FIGHT. WΞ OVΞRCOMΞ. WΞ BΞLIΞVΞ. (@AhYezzir) <a href="https://twitter.com/AhYezzir/status/1114691725845508096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Doubt WWE is ever going to do the ring setup for the Hall stage anymore.

[slik]

Dash Wilder knocked the guy out

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DASH WILDER PUNCHED THE DUDE ��������❗❗❗DONT EVER DISRESPECT BRET <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEHOF?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEHOF</a> <a href="https://t.co/vWEyKbzFDf">pic.twitter.com/vWEyKbzFDf</a></p>&mdash; kvngtoni00gaming (@AntonioGethers) <a href="https://twitter.com/AntonioGethers/status/1114691380507500544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

I like this tag match

[Emperor Smeat]

Tag title match was pretty good overall.

Ouch at the powerbomb PCO took to the outside since there was nothing to break his fall.

[Jordan]

Enzo with a run in it might be a shoot they are beating him

[Droford]

Lol fuck you enzo

[Droford]

Lol big Cass too

[Jordan]

Big case too. Probably a work but hot hot hot

[Droford]

#watchrohthrowthisguyout

[Emperor Smeat]

After what happened at WWE's Hall of Fame, not a good idea for Cass and Enzo to decide to crash ROH's show. Bet the cops are pissed at another incident occurring at a wrestling show.

[Evil Vito]

Enzo and Cass just invaded ringside at ROH and got the shit knocked out of them by Bully Ray and others from the roster. A million security dudes broke it up and they left to enormous heat.

None of it was shown on screen, so it might have been a legit run-in by them. If it was real though I don’t see how they didn’t get arrested.

[Innovator]

LOL the Enzo thing is a work

[Innovator]

The LOL being ROH signing Enzo

[Gerard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yuuuup <a href="https://twitter.com/real1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@real1</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/TheCaZXL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheCaZXL</a> just ran up on the tag team match <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RingOfHonor?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RingOfHonor</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJPW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NJPW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RealestTeam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RealestTeam</a> <a href="https://t.co/y955gqPC9m">pic.twitter.com/y955gqPC9m</a></p>&mdash; MrReyes23 (@Its_Mr_Reyes) <a href="https://twitter.com/Its_Mr_Reyes/status/1114704972313255938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Jordan]

Wow that was a great match!

[slik]

Enzo/Cass weren't shown on camera btw

Ian Riccabonni acknowledged the crowd noise by saying some people were trying to get TV time and they weren't going to give it to them

[slik]

Zack Sabre Jr so fucking good

[Emperor Smeat]

Sabre vs. Tana was great.

[Emperor Smeat]

The LOL being ROH signing Enzo

Yeup that seems to either be the case or ROH's lame attempt to get more top Twitter trends for the show.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just got a text. 100% work. Was told the upper level office pushed for it despite booking team being largely against it. <a href="https://t.co/XfPUueJgpt">https://t.co/XfPUueJgpt</a></p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1114703780484984832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[RP]

Work ( But Bubba Ray really whipped Enzo into the rail lol ) All punches were worked. Cass punching Bully Ray from behind.. worked.

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[slik]

Have no desire to ever watch anything ROH again, sorry Flip!

[slik]

I am not exaggerating at all when I say this comes across as two different shows. New Japan does what New Japan does and is very match-focused and sort of catch wrestling.

ROH on the other hand it's like some backyard fed

[Emperor Smeat]

:D Ibushi won the IC belt.

Match was really great overall.

[Evil Vito]

Pretty sure I see Droford lol

[Evil Vito]

There are nowhere near enough bathrooms in MSG. Literally 100+ dudes in line at the lower level.

[Droford]

My first 1st live ladder match

[slik]

Don't pee on Droford!

[slik]

Fan at ringside in pink hoodie keeps cracking me up

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ROH seriously expecting folks to watch Matt Taven after Ibushi &amp; Naito brought the house down. �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/G1SuperCard?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#G1SuperCard</a></p>&mdash; Will Mahoney (@HeelWillMahoney) <a href="https://twitter.com/HeelWillMahoney/status/1114717670082011138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Droford]

Jesus Christ but lol that's a lawsuit

[slik]

Fan almost just got hit w/ a ladder during ROH match

"That's a lawsuit" chant at MSG

[Droford]

Fan at ringside in pink hoodie keeps cracking me up

Lol that's the fan that almost ate the ladder

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ladder almost hits the fans. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/G1Supercard?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#G1Supercard</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJPW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NJPW</a> <a href="https://t.co/d63mH2znnl">https://t.co/d63mH2znnl</a><a href="https://t.co/hW3vzscrhK">https://t.co/hW3vzscrhK</a><a href="https://t.co/o731wzt9Nd">https://t.co/o731wzt9Nd</a> <a href="https://t.co/QOIyaIUV90">pic.twitter.com/QOIyaIUV90</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana ���� (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1114725558372401153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Emperor Smeat]

Outside of a couple spots at most, this ladder match is dragging way too much.

[Evil Vito]

Lol Taven as ROH champ. Jesus

[slik]

ROH is such garbage

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: at Taven being the new ROH champ.

ROH's side of this event has been mostly bad not counting the inter-promotional matches.

[slik]

Let's go OKADA (but I think Jay White will retain)

[Emperor Smeat]

:n: at the unwashed masses in the crowd booing the deliverer of the NEW ERA in NJPW.

[GD]

I really want Okada to win.

[GD]

RAINMAKEEEEEERRRRRR!

[GD]

RAINMAKKKKKKERRRRRRRRRR! Okada wins!

[slik]

Okada wins the Title Yesssssssssssssss

[Emperor Smeat]

IWGP title match was really great overall.

Event itself was pretty good overall.

[slik]

Kota and Okada taking home gold in MSG

[Simple Fan]

Main event was great. New Japan had a good showing.

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently Bully Ray is to blame for ROH not holding up their end of tonight's show.

Also seems Delirious is losing power as a booker and supposedly has been leaking plans and stuff to the sheets as payback.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's not him. <a href="https://t.co/UPI7RJ2CTP">https://t.co/UPI7RJ2CTP</a></p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1114709385547272192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ding ding ding <a href="https://t.co/Cb7L90lapK">https://t.co/Cb7L90lapK</a></p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1114710741372817408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Simple Fan]

Waiting on this Greatest Clusterfuck now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve never been a fan of Bully Ray.

[Mr. Nerfect]

New Japan has just cause to move away from this ROH relationship.

[Jordan]

New Japan has just cause to move away from this ROH relationship.

I agree. In my section I was probably the only NJPW fan while the others were fucking annoying die hard ROH guys. That was weird. ROH was very over with the crowd. The ladder match finished very well for my money. Rush was good, the Enzo and Cass stuff was fun.

The main event was so good. I hope it was as good on tv.

[Jordan]

Stand out...

Main event - easily a 5 star match

IC - amazing. Was this a 5 star match? It was awesome

Ospreay/Cobb - so good with shock ending

Tag titles - very good, all about pco.

Scurll shined for me and Taven was a great heel. Lethal was there too.

[Droford]

IC match was better than Main Event if only because the crowd was way more threat into it. But go figure a 6 hour show would kill the crowd.

Still shocked Okada won.

[Droford]

I’ve never been a fan of Bully Ray.

He's good on Busted Open

[Droford]

I'll be interested in seeing how AXStv handles the show starting Friday with part 1.

[Evil Vito]

We’ll be watching NJPW/AEW Supercard this time next year.

I know Cody said they’re never running WM weekend, but money talks.

[slik]

Meltz said the only other big arena in Tampa is the Yuengling Center (seats 10K) but it's owned by the same arena that RAW/SD/NXT will be in and WWE supposedly asked them to not let anyone run anything there

[Triple A]

Ibushi match was incredible..........

[Triple A]

My fav matches ranked,,,

1. Kota Ibushi vs. Tetsuya Naito
2. Jeff Cobb vs. Will Ospreay
3. Bandido vs. Dragon Lee vs. Taiji Ishimori
4. Jay White vs. Kazuchika Okada
5. Jay Lethal vs. Marty Scurll vs. Matt Taven
6. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Zack Sabre, Jr.

(missed a lot of the tag match cause i went 2 piss and get food)

Women's match sucked... Feel like Kelly Klein is not good........ based on that match

Fell asleep during Bully Ray match

[Triple A]

Was disappointed to not see Rush wrestle cause of all the hype around him...

[Triple A]

Enzo and Cass rule... freaking haters... good signing by ROH to make them somewhat interesting at least...

[Triple A]

Glad TPWW fan Matt Taven won the title

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[erickman]

Enzo and Cass rule... freaking haters... good signing by ROH to make them somewhat interesting at least...

too bad there attack happened 10 mins after real bret hart attack by a fan

[Triple A]

Jeff Cobb also rules... so good...

[Triple A]

Annoyed that the Bandido vs. Dragon Lee vs. Ishimori match was like under 10 mins and the women's match and Bully Ray matches went for what seemed like 25 boring mins...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

ROH being desperate enough to bring in Enzo/Cass and the "Beautiful" people.

[#1-norm-fan]

Enzo is so insanely out of place in ROH. This is weird.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’ve never been a fan of Bully Ray.

From what I saw of it, his heel work in TNA was actually pretty fantastic.

[Jordan]

I think Enzo and Cass is good for ROH. Had no idea Matt was a tpwwer back in the day, awesome! He was really good in the ladder match.

[Jordan]

Beautiful People was wack and not that hot.

[Droford]

ROH being desperate enough to bring in Enzo/Cass and the "Beautiful" people.

I no doubt believe if Bully has the influence that he got his GF the job

[Evil Vito]

Velvet Sky would still get it, but Angelina Love has looked horrible for a long time now

[Evil Vito]

The women's title match was a low point in the show. I'm not familiar with Kelly Klein's work but she seemed to work slowwwwwwwwwwwww. Not sure if that's the norm with her but if so it was always going to be a problem against Mayu who is great at fast paced stuff.

Adding to everything else, that match is when people in the crowd started getting word about Bret being attacked and everyone was pulling out their phones to find video. Nobody was paying attention to the match at all by the end.

[ClockShot]

I was there last night. Had a blast. Was gonna post a detailed review this morning but I got signed out due to inactivity (which should be fixed, imo). Got home at 4 this morning and had a nap and gotta work in a little while.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think Enzo and Cass is good for ROH.

Don’t get me wrong. I think it’s a cool idea to have them “invade” and I think ultimately they’re good for business. It’s just odd because they could not be more opposite of what ROH is about. It’s a weird pairing.

[Jordan]

But really what is ROH all about? It's a far cry from the first five years of their business. It's a far cry from the second resurgence a few years back as well. The best main draw they have is probably going to AEW (Scurll), Lethal is the Bob Backlund of ROH, he hold's the belt because they don't have anyone better for it, and I guess they want to give Taven a try and that's fine. He's a classic ROH style heel, very much like Austin Aries it seems. He was good and could be a good staple for the title scene until they find their star.

Everyone is saying NJPW needs to cut ties with ROH and work with AEW and that is just obviously the best thing for NJPW if they want to do co-promoted shows. Hell even MLW has a better roster of top guys who would be interesting with NJPW.

[Simple Fan]

The partnership they have with CMLL pretty much ties them to ROH for the US. Can't see them dropping that partnership and really don't see MLW, AEW, or Impact ending their partnerships with AAA.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Then CMLL need to tell ROH to up their game. Grown adults run all these promotions. AEW can work with AAA and New Japan and New Japan can work with AEW and CMLL. I don’t care about New Japan/ROH at all.

The Women’s Division itself highlights how ROH has lost its identity. They have thrown together a women’s roster because, well, that’s what you do, right?

Enzo boosted attention for 205 Live, but it’s not the same as ROH and he’s not in the same space. So much controversy around both the guys, and it makes it hard to enjoy them and seems really desperate and attention-starved, to be honest. It’d be like bringing in New Jack, which I can see happening. I fully expect Tommy Dreamer to start working with them and this becoming Bully Ray presents ECW. What’s Sabu up to?

[Simple Fan]

They'll probably sign Eli Drake now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’d prefer that, since I don’t give a shit about ROH. It was going to be a shame if AEW went after him and they disqualified themselves so early.

[Simple Fan]

I think he'll end up in AEW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There are rumors he’s talking to WWE, which would be fine with me, as it immediately makes AEW the #1 promotion. WWE can bring in Drake and he can flop harder than EC3.

[Jordan]

There are rumors he’s talking to WWE, which would be fine with me, as it immediately makes AEW the #1 promotion. WWE can bring in Drake and he can flop harder than EC3.

Why do you hate Eli so hard?

[Vastardikai]

Biggest thing I notice about Delirious is that he is a doormat. He let the Bucks walk over him, as well.

[Jordan]

I love to hear the banter between my childhood favorite HBK and husband of Jennifer Hudson, David Otunga!

[Jordan]

Wrong thread.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why do you hate Eli so hard?

The guy is really bad, but you can tell he thinks he’s really good. He wants to be The Rock so bad, but when copying him physically and coming up with things to repeat on the mic, he completely forgot the charisma element that carried Rock to bulletproof heights.

[Tom Guycott]

Catching up from the weekend...

There are nowhere near enough bathrooms in MSG. Literally 100+ dudes in line at the lower level.

My first 1st live ladder match

I read this as "1st live bladder match" because of the previous comment by Vito, and now I don't want to be corrected. Good on Ring of Honor on turning piss breaks into battle royals!!!

My fav matches ranked,,,


Women's match sucked... Feel like Kelly Klein is not good........ based on that match


She isn't. She feels like the female Baron Corbin, if Corbin were in the indys and surrounded by a) a bunch of people who aren't much better or b) people who are much better, but get scooped up by WWE. She "looks the shit" and can promo a bit, but that's about it. She's awful from bell to bell.

With that said, she's better than Mandy Leon, and now she's going to "replace" Madison Rayne? Eh.

Don’t get me wrong. I think it’s a cool idea to have them “invade” and I think ultimately they’re good for business. It’s just odd because they could not be more opposite of what ROH is about. It’s a weird pairing.

I don't see this as such a bad thing. It is great that they came in as a tandem. To your point about being "opposite of ROH", this looks like a natural fit to start a feud with Lifeblood. I am not the biggest fan of Enzo for his crimes against hip-hop, but he does draw attention/heat. Cass hopefully gets more chance to shine, as he often got overshadowed by Enzo doing the heavy lifting on the mic, but had more opportunity to actually show it in NXT than he did with that gawdawful singles cup of coffee in WWE. Wait and see feels apt to say here. Kinda sucks this gets overshadowed by the happenstance of the Bret Hart incident, though.

Why do you hate Eli so hard?

The guy is really bad, but you can tell he thinks he’s really good. He wants to be The Rock so bad, but when copying him physically and coming up with things to repeat on the mic, he completely forgot the charisma element that carried Rock to bulletproof heights.

That's it in a nutshell. All these years later, and he's still Tryhard Miavia. To his credit, he has the tools to be decent, but he spends it all in a aping one of the greatest ever direction. That didn't even work for Sonny Siaki, and he's family. He's like a comedian who is funny backstage and in real life situations, but when he's on stage, gets super into trying to be just like like Carlin or Pryor and comes off as a pale imitation.

It is akin to when Jay Lethal was doing his whole "greatest 1st generation wrestler" heel run with the ROH Championship and TV Title, he seemed to be (maybe unintentionally) perpetually doing his Ric Flair impression. It's one thing when he's doing it being funny, it is quite another to do it on the regular. If I had never seen or heard Jay before, he would have struck me the same way as Eli Drake does constantly.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There were things about The Rock that bothered me when he did them, and while I've grown to appreciate Rocky's overall greatness and accept that my tastes on the matter were probably subjective, personal and underdeveloped -- Rock would come off a bit corny to me and he was the fucking Rock.

I don't want to see a guy with zero charisma, who looks like my uncle that is still chasing 20-something year-old tail at the clubs well into his 30s trying to do the same thing. His punches go all over the place, his poise in the ring is fucking ridiculous. His promo shtick, at least the stuff I saw a few years ago, made no sense. I've asked Simple Fan this many times, but I still can't work out what "Dummy? Yeah! Dummy? Yeah!" even means. Is he talking to himself? Wtf?

It's like he's a Rock fanboy that doesn't understand what it was that a) made The Rock good, or b), and more importantly, made him special.

Does it pass into irrational hatred? Maybe. I play it up as part gimmick, of course. But it's refreshing to see someone like Tom Guycott, a seemingly reasonable guy, identify the same things I do. I just think he's a really awful on-air performer, and he's treated by some people (not many or anyone important) like he's this charismatic blue-chipper.

To try and tie this into something Tom mentioned about Kelly Klein (who I haven't seen): I think one of the frustrating things about wrestling is the socialist fraternity it's become. To an extent it's good, I guess. I like nice people, and everyone in wrestling seems so nice and supportive of one another these days. But while I appreciate the importance for kindness in the outside world, in a performance-based industry I'd really like to see some fucking stars, please. And stars have ego, and they understand that when it comes to performance not everyone can do this thing. It is a talent, it is a skill, it is an art where some people are going to be worshipped as gods and other people are going to pour passion into it giving it their best shot, but they're just not the right fit for it.

There's no substitute for hard work in this world, true. But I think wrestling really suffers when people that aren't that good get treated like they are because their buddies are too nice to tell them that they suck or refuse to put them over because they understand that it would shatter the point they are trying to make. I feel like you couldn't get a Stone Cold Steve Austin today, because an Austin would insist on putting Rock over a month before WrestleMania, or he would have worked with Jeff Jarrett and Billy Gunn. He wouldn't have been the carnivore that was going to make sure he got steak first, where the most important relationship was his one with the crowd buying tickets and not the crowd in the back standing around and clapping over each other's planchas.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Since we're talking about him in here, Eli Drake has been fired by TNA. His contract was allegedly set to expire in May, but they wanted him out of there fast. Drake refused to work with Tessa Blanchard and TNA made the call to get rid of him. It's coming out that he's apparently a pain in the ass to work with and has "attitude problems," whatever that means.

I actually don't disagree with his decision not to do the intergender match, but if you're so concerned about the believability of your shit, maybe you should work on actually making it look good?

[Tom Guycott]

To clairify about Kelly Klein: she would be a meh woman's wrestler in the 80s. It is 2019 (current year argument). Back then, she would be fed to Bull Nakano on her way to a PPV match with Alundra Blayze. Now, she's billed to be this giant badass, but there are so many ladies in many feds who are markedly better. She isn't dogshit, mind you. Nor is she dangerous and super-sloppy. But she isn't surrounded by talent to make her any better. Any time I see a Women of Honor match/show with her on it, it is just... eh.

I know someone might be waiting for me to make a HHH comparison, but Hunter is at least mediocre in the "big leagues". Klein is mediocre in a farm team OF the farm team, but looks menacing walking up to the plate, so good enough.

If she were in NXT, and surrounded by various workhorses of various types... who knows? Reminds me of that Stone Cold ECW promo "You are what you eat. I got fed garbage, so I became garbage; I became complacent."

[Simple Fan]

Never understood the Eli Drake trying to be The Rock thing. His promos remind me more if Ric Flair than The Rock. Also if you can't figure out what Dummy, Yeah means it's probably because you're a Dummy, Yeah.

[Simple Fan]

I like that Kelly Klein is champion again and hopefully they move away from the Stardom women. The Allure thing was a bit sour knowing they just had Madison Rayne but I like that they are doing something good with Mandy Leon.

[Droford]

I decided officially the top 3 matches from the weekend
Ibushi/Naito
Kofi/Bryan
Gargano/Cole

Wasn't there for the nxt show but it deserves to be up there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Never understood the Eli Drake trying to be The Rock thing. His promos remind me more if Ric Flair than The Rock. Also if you can't figure out what Dummy, Yeah means it's probably because you're a Dummy, Yeah.

He moves like The Rock, talks like The Rock, swings around catchphrases that are just awful.

First of all, “Dummy! Yeah!” doesn’t have any proper syntax. Is he calling someone else a dummy? Why is he saying it to the crowd and/or himself? Why has he not used any pronouns? Why the cadence? Why affirm his own supposition? It...makes...no...sense. He thinks it sounds good or something. It doesn’t. It would be like someone having a catchphrase that goes “Moron? Sure. Moron? Sure.” Are you ordering one from the shops?

You might think he comes off like Ric Flair to you, but you also can’t understand why people would care about someone dying if they didn’t live down the street from you. It comes off like “Hoo-rah!” Miz. It’s low-rent and shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is Simple Fan an idiot? Yep. Idiot? Yep. Does he chant it because no one will chant with him?

If someone wants to call you a fucking nationalistic fuckwit, they can just do it without the lame-ass sing-song. You fucking nationalistic fuckwit.

[Simple Fan]

Dear God man you are too proper for your own good. He was a heel and yeah he's calling someone a dummy and then agreeing with himself. Also it's not supposed to sound good, it's meant to be annoying obviously.

His promos style comes of like Ric, he does have the catchphrases like The Rock but thats about it. Miz is actually a good comparison, he's not on Miz's level but they both are good mid card heels that you can use in the main event here and there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dear God man you are too proper for your own good. He was a heel and yeah he's calling someone a dummy and then agreeing with himself. Also it's not supposed to sound good, it's meant to be annoying obviously.

His promos style comes of like Ric, he does have the catchphrases like The Rock but thats about it. Miz is actually a good comparison, he's not on Miz's level but they both are good mid card heels that you can use in the main event here and there.

Oh, it's not supposed to be good. Gotcha. Good thing he's shit then. Great television. :)

[Tom Guycott]

Never understood the Eli Drake trying to be The Rock thing.



1) He moves like The Rock, talks like The Rock, swings around catchphrases that are just awful.

2) It's like he's a Rock fanboy that doesn't understand what it was that a) made The Rock good, or b), and more importantly, made him special.



It was noticeable even before it was revealed that he worked with/for The Rock in some kind of way. That actually might have been a detriment to his development, because it's like he is just poorly emulating his hero. Just because you want to like the guy CAN'T STOP, WON'T STOP him from being awful and annoying.

He might even be given a chance if he stops doing all that shit and finds his own voice. I even partially mean that in the literal sense- he might not be able to do much about the tone if that is his normal speaking voice, but he sure as hell can alter cadence and inflections.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Exactly. I’m glad I’m not the only person who noticed it. I knew he wanted to be The Rock’s boy before I saw him, but when I did it was like “Hang on, this guy is doing an Asylum film version.”

There are guys that remind me of other people. Johnny Jeter reminded me a lot of Chris Jericho. But it didn’t come off as a hollow facsimile.