Seanny asks Gertner Wrestling Questions Thread

[Bad News Gertner]

That's the first I've heard of it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I've never heard anyone talk about it.

[Bad News Gertner]

I've heard that Victor Quinones is Gorilla Monsoon's illegitimate son

[Bad News Gertner]

I need to quit my job and just watch wrestling full time. This is more enjoyable. Lol watched a lot of wrestling during my vacation so far.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I've heard that Victor Quinones is Gorilla Monsoon's illegitimate son

I'd actually forgot they had broached this on the Gorilla episode of Prichard's podcast. Of course, Bruce denied it. But when you look at Victor, you can see the resemblance.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Melodramatic as it seems, you’d think there would be a lot more bastard children in wrestling.

[Bad News Gertner]

Gino Hernandez was rumored to be Paul Boesch's son

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's probably the most famous one. Where do you lean on that one?

[Bad News Gertner]

I believe the Gorilla/Victor one way more than Paul and Gino. I don't think it's true

[Seanny One Ball]

The Gorilla/Quinones one is speculated upon in the affirmative by numerous wrestling biographers. I always consider it true if at least three guys I like mention it in a similar way in their bio's. Unless it's a Wrestlemania 3 or Haku story... Everybody and their mother was there for Wrestlemania 3 and every Haku bar fight.

[Seanny One Ball]

I believe the Gorilla/Victor one way more than Paul and Gino. I don't think it's true


Paul who?

I googled but other forums are very awful.
I can only assume Hernandez but any Paul I can think of was born in the forties or later so they'd have to be like 15 to father the guy.

[Seanny One Ball]

Gertner, who got over with you that reasonably had no right to?

Stevie Richards and Crash Holly for me. Two smaller, less muscular guys who knew how to wring every drop out of their shitty gimmicks.

I really loved seeing those two.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Paul Bosch

[Seanny One Ball]

I know what my favourite territory is now. Took a few weeks and a real Network subscription but it's Mid South.

Mid South in 1980's was great. Realism, athleticism... a jobber intro to Michael Jackson...

AWA was fun but poor quality as Gertner warned, Memphis was dumb fun with no shortage of gimmicks and I couldn't get past the shortage of cool in WCCW... I tried others a few times including Georgia but my preference is Bill Watts.

Ban Noid

[Seanny One Ball]

I bet Gertner can name the jobber that intro'd to MJ too. Seems like the sort of thing he'd know. I won't spoil it but he was black so he probably ended up with a title.

[Bad News Gertner]

Gertner, who got over with you that reasonably had no right to?

Stevie Richards and Crash Holly for me. Two smaller, less muscular guys who knew how to wring every drop out of their shitty gimmicks.

I really loved seeing those two.

Probably Heath Slater. I thought he was the absolute shits until he started doing the Legend challenge thing for the 1000th Raw. Then I became his biggest fan.

[Bad News Gertner]

I bet Gertner can name the jobber that intro'd to MJ too. Seems like the sort of thing he'd know. I won't spoil it but he was black so he probably ended up with a title.

It wasn't Michael Saxon was it? That's the only guy I can think of.

[Seanny One Ball]

Made me think of Ole when you said "the shits".

[Seanny One Ball]

It was Michael Saxon was it? That's the only guy I can think of.

Mike Ragin?

Ragin was definitely his last name.

[Bad News Gertner]

Ohhh ok , I know him more as Mark Ragen. He was a protege of the Destroyer Dick Beyer. He got Ragen shots in places that he had no business wrestling.

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah he was really bad but his intro was cool and he even tried to dance a bit. They changed him from Thriller to Beat It or Billie Jean when he entered the ring so he had walk down and in-ring music consecutively. No reason why other than to remind people he was black I guess.

[Bad News Gertner]

Caught up on all the Dark Sides of the Ring
The Brody one is hands down the best, but like I said before, these need to be longer than 45 minutes. They all feel so rushed.

[#1-norm-fan]

Is the Montreal one worth watching for someone who has seen all the previous pieces on it, heard every shoot interview from every side imaginable and basically seen the topic discussed ad nauseam?

[Bad News Gertner]

If you have listened to Cornette's last two podcasts, then no. If you haven't, it's worth checking out

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Is the Montreal one worth watching for someone who has seen all the previous pieces on it, heard every shoot interview from every side imaginable and basically seen the topic discussed ad nauseam?

I agree with Gert. But also, Bruce Prichard and Scott Hall make it pretty dumb. I like Scott, but he's a total knobhead throughout. Part of it to do with him hating Bret, I think.

[Bad News Gertner]

Bruce is Bruce, but Hall is a complete moron.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I watched the Montreal one and didn’t think it was anything special. It was all stuff I had heard and seen before.

But lol at Scott Hall claiming he never asked Shawn if it was a work. Get outta here.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

it's ironic that in trying so desperately to be the smartest guy in the room that Hall comes off as so stupid.

[Seanny One Ball]

Watching Dark Side Of Wrestling because you guys never steer me wrong.

The Bruiser Brody thing... if you asked me what happened I could give you a good run down before I saw this show but I'm surprised how much worse it sounds coming from Tony and Dutch... It's the finer details that make you sick to your stomach hearing this shit.

Cold blooded murder...

[Seanny One Ball]

Abdullah just making shit up for no reason...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Can anyone lend any more insight into the relationship between Vince and Carlos Colon? There’s got to be something going on there, right? Not specifically in relationship to Brody, just in terms of how well WWE has seemingly looked after him in the past? Seemed WWC had a relationship with WWE even when no one else did.

[Seanny One Ball]

Eric Bischoff looks ancient now... Damn. Everybody is getting so old.

[Bad News Gertner]

Can anyone lend any more insight into the relationship between Vince and Carlos Colon? There’s got to be something going on there, right? Not specifically in relationship to Brody, just in terms of how well WWE has seemingly looked after him in the past? Seemed WWC had a relationship with WWE even when no one else did.

The relationship between the Colons and the McMahons goes back to the 60's when Carlos did shots for Vince McMahon. Add in that Gorilla Monsoon had a large piece of the Puerto Rico territory and the two had a relationship mainly because of Gorilla. After Gorilla died though, the WWF started supporting his rival IWA which was owned by coincidentally enough Victor Quiniones. They would send his camera, audio gear etc...

[Mr. Nerfect]

He still seems "tight" with him. Primo & Epico have had jobs for a decade now. I guess if he really owed him big for something, they might actually get pushed.

[Bad News Gertner]

Started my week vacation today. Got some wrestling shows on the itinerary.

Gonna watch the 350 Days documentary
Gonna continue my 1997 Raw watch. Just finished the April 14, 1997 Raw. I love doing deep dive projects.
I have a September 20, 1980 Madison Square Garden show that I obtained about a year ago that i forgot about. Backlund vs Race Main Event
Plus some 80s Memphis Wrestling.

Last day of vacation tomorrow and I managed to complete my list, plus watched the Dark Side of Wrestling shows and some 84 Mid South

[Bad News Gertner]

He still seems "tight" with him. Primo & Epico have had jobs for a decade now. I guess if he really owed him big for something, they might actually get pushed.

They also really wanted the WWC tape library which they bought last year.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That makes sense.

[#1-norm-fan]

A friend of mine showed me some Mid South tapes he had that included a feud between Jim Duggan and Ted Dibiase that started when Duggan got a pair of cufflinks as a reward for being named “wrestler of the year”. Dibiase was pissed because Duggan didn’t even wear shirts.

It was fantastic.

[Bad News Gertner]

They feud was amazing. Mid South was so great. I'm glad there's a bunch on the Network.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

A friend of mine showed me some Mid South tapes he had that included a feud between Jim Duggan and Ted Dibiase that started when Duggan got a pair of cufflinks as a reward for being named “wrestler of the year”. Dibiase was pissed because Duggan didn’t even wear shirts.

It was fantastic.

Lmao this sounds fucking amazing

[Bad News Gertner]

This thread is almost at 9 pages. Amazing.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Hey Gerty. Vito mentioned a few pages ago that wwe took what could've been a quirky card that could've been charming but got the joy wrung out of it. I've never seen the show. What was specifically bad/underwhelming about WM2?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Hey Gerty. Vito mentioned a few pages ago that wwe took what could've been a quirky card that could've been charming but got the joy wrung out of it. I've never seen the show. What was specifically bad/underwhelming about WM2?

it was in 3 separate locations and, as such, experienced many production-based glitches and the show was generally a clunky mess.

[Fignuts]

lol Key looks like Mordecai

[Fignuts]

Oh god it was Vic Grimes. One of Da Baldies. Awful.

[Fignuts]

it was in 3 separate locations and, as such, experienced many production-based glitches and the show was generally a clunky mess.

Imagine having the NFL player battle royal as your main event.

[Fignuts]

Remember that time Bret Hart did an interview via satellite, and he was cutting a serious promo while surrounded by fluffy little dogs? I think it was sometime after Wrestlemania 12.

[Bad News Gertner]

Hey Gerty. Vito mentioned a few pages ago that wwe took what could've been a quirky card that could've been charming but got the joy wrung out of it. I've never seen the show. What was specifically bad/underwhelming about WM2?

The multiple locations, them going overboard on B list celebrities, too many matches/matches were too short, no build to alot of the matches.

[Bad News Gertner]

Remember that time Bret Hart did an interview via satellite, and he was cutting a serious promo while surrounded by fluffy little dogs? I think it was sometime after Wrestlemania 12.

Lol I need to find this

[Seanny One Ball]

This thread is almost at 9 pages. Amazing.

With a Marquee like that? I'm surprised it's not eighteen pages.

[Seanny One Ball]

What's all this about Dick Murdoch being a Klansman?
Any info on that Gertner?

[Seanny One Ball]

Gertner what is the worst thing you have heard anybody say in a promo to get heat?

I heard Brian Last tell Jim Cornette that Lanny Poffo once said something like "My opponents are going to feel like they have AIDS when they fight me. I'm turning fruits into vegetables."

That sort of thing.

[Bad News Gertner]

What's all this about Dick Murdoch being a Klansman?
Any info on that Gertner?

I don't know if he was actually a Klansman like Killer Karl Kox, but Murdoch was definitely racist. He's also one of my top 3 favourite wrestlers of all time.

[Bad News Gertner]

Gertner what is the worst thing you have heard anybody say in a promo to get heat?

I heard Brian Last tell Jim Cornette that Lanny Poffo once said something like "My opponents are going to feel like they have AIDS when they fight me. I'm turning fruits into vegetables."

That sort of thing.

Well there's this


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[Mr. Nerfect]

Hey Gerty, do you think Vince is past it?

[Bad News Gertner]

Not completely past it, but he's getting there. I also don't watch the product so it's hard to base an opinion off reading results.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Stockholders have had unwavering faith in him, but I’ve got a feeling it’s going to change. Vince has been making a lot of “promises” he won’t be able to keep. The Raw ratings are becoming more and more of a story. Interesting times.

[Bad News Gertner]

Ratings don't mean what they did even 10 years ago.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

They don't and everybody seems to get that. But APPARENTLY, if they drop too low, it's still a big deal.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ratings don't mean what they did even 10 years ago.

Not what they did, but they still obviously matter. More important than the actual share is their place on the rankings and their drop compared to other properties. Then drop in cable year over year is more closely starting to resemble Raw’s weekly drop, as opposed to their yearly one. It’s pretty shocking.

[Bad News Gertner]

Raw is still the #1 show on USA and ratings across the board in every genre are down and keep dropping. Unfortunately since I don't really follow the product anymore, I don't have any numbers to compare and have zero desire to start watching again. Maybe if Ryback comes back. Message me then lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’s been the case for a while, but recently the drop has widened way more than the drop in other things, I believe. Not sure where Raw places (pretty sure it would be way below Love & Hip Hop or whatever at this point), but SmackDown was down to #7 in demo ratings or something. Pulling that from the back of my memory without checking.

Getting slightly more concerning, if not the most terrible scenario imaginable. Vince is starting to get questions about it and actually promised higher ratings, which seems a weird pledge to make.

[Bad News Gertner]

Didn't he blame wrestlers absences, even though there really hasn't been any?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, he did. The latest thing I saw about ratings was they hired a writer from Off Their Rockers and someone else from a comedy show and he said it would turn ratings around. May have been a misquote in the article. I can’t imagine him being so definitive with investors in unsure times.

[Seanny One Ball]

I should E-mail Vince some of my sweet ideas.

I have a lot of sweet ideas.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Misread what you said about it being #1 on USA, Gerty. Sorry. It is #1 on USA, but #7 on cable or something.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah I'm not too up to date with the numbers nowadays like I used to

[Seanny One Ball]

Gertner can you think of a particular PPV or run of matches that I need to see? I'm watching the network tonight. Flair/Funk was one I wondered about.

[Bad News Gertner]

Flair vs Funk is friggen outstanding. My God is it good.

Give Halloween Havoc 90 a shot. Really good ppv with interesting matches.

[Seanny One Ball]

OK so the Funker it is. Halloween Havoc 90 is one I haven't seen which is odd because old WCW is my shit. I have time for both.

Hey Gertner, I bought a steel chair today. £11... Really I'd have been stupid not to. Should have got a bunch.

[Seanny One Ball]

This is the entire "Storylines" section on the Halloween Havoc 1990 wiki:

The event featured professional wrestling matches that involve different wrestlers from pre-existing scripted feuds and storylines. Professional wrestlers portray villains, heroes, or less distinguishable characters in the scripted events that build tension and culminate in a wrestling match or series of matches.

LOL

[Seanny One Ball]

Stan Hansen laid on his back, reaching up to his nostril and blowing a huge white booger out onto the canvas against Lex Luger will stay with me forever.

[Bad News Gertner]

OK so the Funker it is. Halloween Havoc 90 is one I haven't seen which is odd because old WCW is my shit. I have time for both.

Hey Gertner, I bought a steel chair today. £11... Really I'd have been stupid not to. Should have got a bunch.

Crack it over the head of the next person who knocks on your door

[Seanny One Ball]

It's quite good just as a TV seat.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah I guess you could use it for sitting

[Seanny One Ball]

Might hit mum with it then. Classic old lady bump.

[Seanny One Ball]

OK how the fuck did Buh Buh not kill Mae Young with that Powerbomb through the table off the ramp?

[#1-norm-fan]

Because Mae Young was a beast.

(Until death got her. Death said “lol You wanna take a bump in your 100s? No, bitch.”)

[#1-norm-fan]

Still funny that Moolah died first. As a kid, Moolah was a Goddamn spring chicken by comparison.

[Seanny One Ball]

"Because Mae Young was a beast" is a marvellous response.

[Bad News Gertner]

You can definitely tell when Bubba was protecting someone with that powerbomb. When he powerbombed Terri, he basically put himself through the table. Lol not with Mae.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Don Muraco is the most under-rated promo of all time. Fuji fucking with Gene and Muraco being Muraco is just hilarious.

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[Seanny One Ball]

Mr Fuji doesn't sound like a good dude from the stories I've heard. Mean pranks...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He sounds like a dude that was amazing if he was your buddy... but a fucking nightmare if you rubbed him the wrong way.

[Seanny One Ball]

Like Andre or Dynamite Kid

[Seanny One Ball]

I think Dynamite was worse to his friends actually

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah, Dynamite seemed like all around garbage lol

[Jordan]

Mr Fuji doesn't sound like a good dude from the stories I've heard. Mean pranks...

Mr Fuji retired to the town where I grew up in Smokey Mountain territory just outside of Knoxville. When I was about 13 I remember meeting him for the first time at Food City shopping for groceries, which was major for me because I was a Coliseum Video collector and was very familiar with his work as a manager... then I would see him at an indie show a few months later at the country fair where he told me he was returning to WWF to manage Yokozuna because Vince is going to bring him back for a championship run with Steve Austin... Yeah and then one time a few years later I went to the mall to see a movie and not only did he tear my ticket and point to my theater but my friend bought some pills from him. I would see him at that Regal Cinema a few more times over the years. I am also quite sure that my brother now owns the house that he used to live in.

[Seanny One Ball]

You sure it wasn't just Lock Jaw up to his old tricks?

[Seanny One Ball]

Wow, just got chills watching Flair/Funk in their I Quit Match. Terry Funk :heart:

[Bad News Gertner]

I think Terry Funk is the greatest wrestler of all time

[Seanny One Ball]

That was a pretty big deal to actually say the words out loud like that.
Good old Terry, such a giver.

[Bad News Gertner]

Gave more to the business more than anyone

[Bad News Gertner]

Ugh, hate referring to wrestling as "the business". I sound like some backyard indie fuck trying to cut an intense promo

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Ugh, hate referring to wrestling as "the business". I sound like some backyard indie fuck trying to cut an intense promo

Feel like I brought this to your attention. HHH’s “this business” annoys me too.

[Bad News Gertner]

At least he's actually in the business

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It’s true. I just think it’s dumb.

[Bad News Gertner]

Although I do have almost 45,000 posts, so I'm just about at the same level as HHH

[Seanny One Ball]

You're more like Undertaker to me...

Anyway:

1. Why is Terry Funk the best in your eyes?
2. Who is the best bumper in your opinion, past or present?
3. Who threw the best strikes in wrestling? Not potatoes, I mean believable soft shots.
4. Best storyline/s in your viewing history? Specifically non WWE please.
5. Has the gimmick assortment grown too big and shoddy? Old WCW PPV'S are full of real tables that don't break. It hurts my head seeing Stan Hansen do anything but once the bull rope comes out... Damn.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Although I do have almost 45,000 posts, so I'm just about at the same level as HHH

you are also a king of kings.

[Bad News Gertner]

You're more like Undertaker to me...

Anyway:

1. Why is Terry Funk the best in your eyes?
2. Who is the best bumper in your opinion, past or present?
3. Who threw the best strikes in wrestling? Not potatoes, I mean believable soft shots.
4. Best storyline/s in your viewing history? Specifically non WWE please.
5. Has the gimmick assortment grown too big and shoddy? Old WCW PPV'S are full of real tables that don't break. It hurts my head seeing Stan Hansen do anything but once the bull rope comes out... Damn.

1. Funk is the complete package. He can work face or heel equally as great, he can work any style, he was a draw, he's amazing on the mic, he adapted with the times and has given back so much. There's nobody better. Flair wrestled a Flair match each time. Funk could wrestle technical, brawl and even bust out a friggen moonsault

2. I LOVE Sgt. Slaughter's bumping. I've always been a fan of the bigger wrestlers and Slaughters bumping in the late 70s/early 80s is outstanding.

3. Best strikes is Dick Murdoch. He threw awesome punches.

4. I'm a sucker for the Raven vs Tommy Dreamer storyline. ECW doesn't age well, but this is still great. JYD vs the Freebirds in Mid South where JYD gets blinded was great. Dutch Mantell and Jerry Lawler vs Bill Dundee and Buddy Landell in Memphis was awesome. Buddy Landell was great. It's too bad he couldn't overcome his demons.

5. I still remember the sound of Funk piledriving Flair on the table. The thud that his head made was sick. I remember ECW had some really flimsy ass tables. Wrestler safety is more of a thing nowadays and I get it, but still...

[Seanny One Ball]

Dale would you mind answering my five questions so we can see if you and Gertner agree?

[Seanny One Ball]

Question 1 aside...

[Seanny One Ball]

Or change question 1 to Yokozuna or whatever fat fuck you truly love

[Bad News Gertner]

Check out this match between Slaughter vs Andre in 1981. Slaughter makes Andre look like a million bucks and takes bumps that a man that size shouldn't be doing.

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[Seanny One Ball]

You're more like Undertaker to me...

Anyway:

1. Why is Terry Funk the best in your eyes?
2. Who is the best bumper in your opinion, past or present?
3. Who threw the best strikes in wrestling? Not potatoes, I mean believable soft shots.
4. Best storyline/s in your viewing history? Specifically non WWE please.
5. Has the gimmick assortment grown too big and shoddy? Old WCW PPV'S are full of real tables that don't break. It hurts my head seeing Stan Hansen do anything but once the bull rope comes out... Damn.


1. D-Lo Brown was the best because he was a big guy with the mixed skill set of a power wrestler and a high flyer. He also may be the most enjoyable combined champ ever. Theme Tune. Moves. Attitude. You're lookin' at the real deal now(then). He also ended LOD 2000 single handedly, so mad props.
2. Flair all the way. He shouldn't be walking.
3. Austin. The hype around him made his soft shots look elite.
4. Bret vs Backlund(I ain't seen as much so I get to choose WWE) So realistic back then that I hate to watch it now!
5. The cheap gimmick array was old in ECW in the 90's.

[Seanny One Ball]

Why the hell was "Flare For The Gold" spelled "Flare"?

That bothers me.

[Seanny One Ball]

Flair - wrestler
Flair - style/aptitude
Flare - pyrotechnic device

[Bad News Gertner]

Why the hell was "Flare For The Gold" spelled "Flare"?

That bothers me.

It's WCW.

[Seanny One Ball]

It wasn't yet

[Bad News Gertner]

Are you talking about his early 80s run or early 93 return

[Seanny One Ball]

Starrcade 83.

You're right though it's just a misspelling. I believe it is spelled Flair For The Gold in 93.

[Seanny One Ball]

Is it fair to say that Bobby Heenan's greatest skill as a commentator was making a mostly bad product palatable to an audience that was now not as dumb as the show?

This applies to early 90's WWE and WCW mostly.

Obviously there are exceptions to the dumbness but overall there was a lot of shitty gimmickery at that time...

[Bad News Gertner]

He got bad pretty fast in WCW because he didn't have a guy like Gorilla to play off of. Tony wasn't gonna do that. He definitely made otherwise boring matched entertaining.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Lol I've talked to Backlund on facebook a few times. Very cool guy.

Quick wit, too. I've traded jokes briefly with him outside a couple house shows. I concur he is awesome.

[Bad News Gertner]

Finished the Moolah Dark Side of the Ring. I like how they didn't pick sides and told the story from multiple perspectives. Very well done and it actually fit within the tim constraints.

[Seanny One Ball]

The defence for Moolah fielded by her daughter, an unheard of female wrestler and "some guy".

They held their own though. I think the pimping thing has been over stated all things considered...
Wendi Richter came off as fairly dim if her version of the screw job is to be believed.

[Bad News Gertner]

Bambi hardly if ever wrestled in the WWF. She was more of an NWA wrestler. Did a touring match with Peggy Lee Leather. They used to say Bambi would win in the ring, but Peggy would get her heat back in the bedroom if you catch my drift.


Wendi is such a country bumpkin lol. Love her. I don't believe her when she said she didn't know it was Moolah. Such a weird thing to deny. Like they had to call spots in the ring didn't they? Moolah has a pretty distinct voice. I'm convinced she is kayfabing, which makes me love her even more. She's definitely right when she says she was close to Hogan's popularity and deserved to be paid a lot more.

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah I thought she must have been in kayfabe... I do dig it when wrestlers pull that off in the middle of a straight documentary.

What do you reckon would be good stories for a second series? I assume Owen and the steroid trial/s would be on the table, maybe the ring boy scandal... Buck Zumhoff, Jim Herd's WCW tenure, Dynamite Kid's fall from grace, Arn/Sid could all be interesting if already fairly well known.

I'd definitely like the Chris Adams story told.

[Bad News Gertner]

Adams for sure. I heard they are doing Dino Bravo which will be amazing. Owen is a given. Chris Colt would be great although he might be a little too obscure. The Ring Boys scandal would be good. Herb Abrams UWF would be amazing. Snuka killing Nancy Argentina would be awesome.

[Seanny One Ball]

Off to look up Chris Colt

[Seanny One Ball]

Yuck!

[Bad News Gertner]

Random thought: If Slick came around today with that theme song he'd be one of the biggest things in wrestling

[Fignuts]

The Yakuza’s influence in Japanese wrestling would make for an awesome episode, but no way does anyone even remotely involved with that collaborate on it.

[James Steele]

Just let Scott Hall and Jake Roberts make shit up about the Yakuza for an hour. They probably got enough shady stories they can just change names and cities to Japanese ones.

Would they ever open the can of worms about the whole Jimmy Snuka murder?

[Seanny One Ball]

Listen to Jerry Gray on Cornette re:Jake The Snake Roberts and his piss drinking, crack buying ways.

[Seanny One Ball]

CWA 1986 is my favourite thing right now. I have taken to the jobber Tony Falk who was on a "jobber can't buy a win" run.
The commentators are a lot more normal too, quite conversational in their lack of approval toward the dastardly heels. They are not over the top though, very appropriate because the matches are so hard and appear very violent.

The rings have a good noise, probably the first time I've ever thought "wow that's a loud ring".

There is a distinct lack of "typical Memphis bullshit" with regards to the silly characters I've heard so much about. So far the show has had a lot of very believable contests, and by that I mean the beatings are very convincing.
No heels are winning that didn't deserve to, they are clearly the stronger athletes and they get heat just by bullying the weaker guys.

The promos are tits too.

[Seanny One Ball]

Gertner do you have any PDF copies of wrestling books? I really want a copy of The Fall Guys and supposedly it's public domain.
If anybody else has any wrestling books please pm me.

I have Bret, Flair, Foley, Ole, Hardcore Holly, Jericho, Gary Hart, JJ Dillon, The Bisch and Lex Luger but any others would be hugely appreciated.

Hooker by Thesz would be awesome.

[Seanny One Ball]

Oi

[Bad News Gertner]

Naw. I buy the actual book, read it and then give it away. I don't have a single wrestling book. I give them all away.

[Seanny One Ball]

Imagining you saying that in a super solemn tone, staring off into the sunset.

[Bad News Gertner]

I am high on my back porch looking at the squirrels in my back yard

[Seanny One Ball]

I'm high in my house watching the hit show "Rick and Morty" for the first time. Pretty good.

[Bad News Gertner]

Probably gonna finish watching the July 7 1997 Monday Night Raw. Over halfway done my 96 Raw rewatch.

[Seanny One Ball]

Can you name some tag teams/tag matches from non WWE programming that I need to look at? I love tag team wrestling and since I only recently saw Bill Dundee and Buddy Landel I feel like I must have missed a thousand teams from territories and indies.

I like The Heavenly Bodies and they may own claim to my favourite non-gimmick tag match against The Thrillseekers in Smokey Mountain Wrestling but my benchmark is that I love The Midnight Express yet more or less detest The Rock And Roll Express.

The Heavenly Bodies look stiff but definitely are not, like Lawler. Dundee and Landel were just stiff and completely believable. Both had matches with almost no moves, just brutal one-way punches and kicks with the odd manoeuvre thrown in...

My favourite WWE teams all either work legit stiff or are just brilliant on the mic and do crazy high spots.

I suppose concisely I am asking who in the territories can I find footage of as a tag team that worked in a Memphis/SmokeyMountain/Mid-South AKA believable fighting style?

[Bad News Gertner]

If you haven't checked out Murdoch and Adonis in the WWF please do.

Rude and Fernandez in JCP were fun
I actually love the team of Brian Pillman and Tom Zenk in WCW

The PYT's of Norvell Austin and Koko B Ware were great
Koko and Bobby Eaton were also tremendous

Check out the The Fabs vs Sheephearders

The Fantastics were another team worth checking out

Badd Company in the AWA were amazing. Diamond and Tanaka may be the most under rated team of the era

[Seanny One Ball]

Thank you!

[Seanny One Ball]

Right.

I just went on YouTube to find out who two guys were who got in a backstage altercation at an independent wrestling show and it turns out it was Lanny Poffo and some guy called Hannibal.
Moments later I'm down the rabbit hole again only now I'm listening to Lanny "The Genius" Poffo talk about sucking his own gigantic penis.

Apparently everybody already knew but just watching him discuss it openly has changed my perception and image of the man forever.

I have no question, just needed to get this out of my brain.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Lanny is the best.

Hannibal. Ugh.

[Big Vic]

I know he's not the same Hannibal but I used to always choose him in WCW/NWO world Tour

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[Seanny One Ball]

Lol Lanny is the best.

Hannibal. Ugh.



I love that the backstage scuffle happened because he lost his luggage and the shirt he wore to the ring was the only one he had and Hannibal ripped it off him.
That's great.

[Bad News Gertner]

I know he's not the same Hannibal but I used to always choose him in WCW/NWO world Tour

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I must admit to being one of the few Wresting fans to have never played that game.

[Seanny One Ball]

I've never even seen it.

[Bad News Gertner]

I was never a "Nintendo" guy

[Seanny One Ball]

Do you listen to Ron Fuller's Studcast Gertner or is that a silly question?

I love it now I've started listening, he seems like a very nice guy and he's very forthright in his account of his history and his family's history, he shares positive and negative equally well.
I don't know if I ever saw him wrestle but I'm going to have to now, if he told a story half as well in the ring as he does on the podcast he must have been fantastic.

So yeah, apologies if this comes off as a child asking an adult if they know their 3x tables...

[Bad News Gertner]

I do here and there. I listen to so many wrestling podcasts that it's hard to get through them all. I was a bigger fan of his brother Robert. Very interesting family that gets overlooked in wrestling history because they never allowed the Apter mags access to their territory.

[Seanny One Ball]

Nobody ever explained the Bill Apter figure four leg lock thing to me. Do you think it's a sex thing?

[Bad News Gertner]

It's a really weird Bill Apter thing, but it's not sexual. I think Alter really wishes he could have been a wrestler, so he's acting out some childhood fantasy.

He talked about it in his book which was pretty bleh.

[Seanny One Ball]

I'll bet he gets some sort of kink out of it.

I wonder who let him do it and who didn't. It would be amazing walking into his office and finding him with a dislocated knee because someone reversed it.

[Bad News Gertner]

He has/had a belt called The Office World Title or something like that. When he used to wrestle with his friends, his finisher was the Figure 4 so he'd wrestle actual wrestler for his Office World Title and put them in the Figure 4.

[Seanny One Ball]

Oh God...

[Bad News Gertner]

I can't believe this thread has reached "Last Page" status

[Tom Guycott]

That sounds like a gimmick a poster might use on this site.

... eh ... not that I'd know anything about that... :shifty:

[Bad News Gertner]

:shifty:

[Triple A]

If I want to watch an episode of "Mid South Wrestling," what's a really good episode to watch to check it out? Never seen it I don't think

[Bad News Gertner]

I love the May.31 1986 episode with Eddie Gilbert, The Russians and Bill Watts.

The June 29 1985 episode is great but I'm not sure if it's on the Network.

[Seanny One Ball]

If I want to watch an episode of "Mid South Wrestling," what's a really good episode to watch to check it out? Never seen it I don't think


Gertner had me start at the beginning of 82 I think. JYD looks so healthy and buff, it's unreal.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah I'm not the best with dates, but you really can't go wrong with 82 Mid South. Hell, Mid South was even good when it became the UWF in 86.

[Triple A]

Wait am I confusing it with Mid Atlantic Wrestling... which one is the one that's supposed to be really good

Mid Atlantic seems to be more prominently featured on WWE Network

[Seanny One Ball]

Mid Atlantic is Jim Crockett, Mid South is Bill Watts

[Seanny One Ball]

Depends if you're in the mood for Flair or JYD

[Seanny One Ball]

Gertner you say things now

[Bad News Gertner]

Mid Atlantic depends on the year. 85 and 86 is great. 83-84 were transition years and very hit and miss.

[Seanny One Ball]

The first Starrcade in 83 was pretty bad besides the last few matches.

[Bad News Gertner]

The T.V was pretty bad as well.

[Bad News Gertner]

I was watching an old MSG show from 1981 and came across this match. I've had this show for a while but had never watched it. What a fun match.

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[Seanny One Ball]

The Moondogs were lunatics based on the Smokey Mountain shit I've seen. I just thought they were fat simpletons in the old WWE stuff. Nope, pure maniacs.

[Bad News Gertner]

You gotta check out their Memphis stuff. Fucking ridiculous wild brawls.

[Bad News Gertner]

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[Seanny One Ball]

Does every match in Japanese wrestling begin with ribbons and streamers covering the canvas?

[rez]

my balls hurt

[Seanny One Ball]

Gertner, what should he do?

[Bad News Gertner]

Rest them on a block of ice

[rez]

thanks

[Seanny One Ball]

Jeff Jarrett looked so young and skinny in 1986...
They sold him as a nice young man who referee'd the matches then got his dick smashed by Bill Dundee and Buddy Landel.

Feel like I love Double J even more now.

[Seanny One Ball]

Now Bill's doing his own commentary with Buddy and Dutch as he watches a clip of him wrestling Big Red Reese.
Guy's called Big Red and he wears green...

Everything should be like this. Last match Bill body slams a guy on the concrete floor and the guy is fucked for the rest of the match.
It's the simple things.

[Bad News Gertner]

Jeff Jarrett looked so young and skinny in 1986...
They sold him as a nice young man who referee'd the matches then got his dick smashed by Bill Dundee and Buddy Landel.

Feel like I love Double J even more now.

Fucking amazing angle with JJ, Jerry Jarrett, Buddy and Bill. The interview that Jerry Jarrett gives is unbelievable

[Bad News Gertner]

Memphis Wrestling is so good

[Seanny One Ball]

It's as violent and as absorbing as it gets. The ring work is so clearly defined too, if it's in the ring sell it a lot but outside act like you're dead.
The whole Dundee, Landel and Dutch gimmick is amazing. Two brawlers and a rassler, but even Landel and Dutch ain't rasslin much. As for Dundee... He just beats the fuck out of 'em.

I also mark out for Tony Falk, the greatest jobber gimmick I have ever seen. I mean it. He comes in acting like a lanky Nature Boy, has back and forth fights then gets beaten by his own stupidity and arrogance every time.

The reverse Goldberg.

[Seanny One Ball]

I tried to watch USWA but it is significantly worse quality despite it being newer. I suppose they were on VHS recording cameras by then and presumably a lower tape quality... it's bad and the camera angles look like shit too as if held by wankers.

Bret Hart did do an absolutely insane Deep South accent mocking Lawler in one of them though. I mean it was mental, he quotes Cool Hand Luke in a completely bonkers mock accent. I should have recorded it.

[Bad News Gertner]

I remember watching the final episode of USWA in my garage. It used to come on after Smokey Mountain Wresting

[Seanny One Ball]

Tracy Smothers

[Seanny One Ball]

You know who I like now? Jos LeDuc.
Did a sweet baseball slide into the corner after a whip, turned and got up immediately and plants the guy with a beast of a clothesline.

Been trying to find the footage of him getting sledgehammer by Mongolian Stomper through a cinder lock but can't find it. The one Stomper ate looked pretty sore though.

[Bad News Gertner]

Tracy Smothers

Tracy Smothers was amazing. Does not get nearly enough love.

[Seanny One Ball]

I liked his matches but didn't realise he was the reason they were good if you know what I mean? Like he just happened to be in good matches but I couldn't figure out why :lol:

Ahhhh.... I'm still a mark. I don't want to be smart to everything.

[Seanny One Ball]

Tracy Smothers man, in the ECW roster they talk about him like a legendary badass. I can believe it.

[Bad News Gertner]

He was amazing in ECW. Those F.B.I skits still crack me up.

[Bad News Gertner]

If I want to watch an episode of "Mid South Wrestling," what's a really good episode to watch to check it out? Never seen it I don't think

Check out the December 11th, 1982 episode of Mid South

[Bad News Gertner]

Watch this match. Second greatest in ring feud of the 80's in the WWF behind Tito vs Valentine. Awesome match.

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[Seanny One Ball]

I will when I get off this bus

[Bad News Gertner]

It's so great

[Bad News Gertner]

I also recommend this match from January 1984 on WWF T.v Tiger Mask vs Mr. Saito.

Starts at the 1 hour 8 minute mark. I actually prefer this match over the famous Dynamite Kid vs Tiger Mask from Madison Square Garden 1982 match.

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[Seanny One Ball]

12 pages it took to get to Tiger Mask.

OK, so let's go Japanese style for a page or two. What matches should I watch to get into Japanese wrestling?

An example of strong style would be fun along with the more traditional wrestling.

[Bad News Gertner]

That would be a question for Destor or Fignuts. Never got into Japanese or Lucha mainly because I don't speak either language and thus can't understand the commentary.

[Seanny One Ball]

I can do a different thread for that.
I respect your input so I will continue on the righteous path.

I would like to know what jobbers you found particularly entertaining. Stevie Richards is my all time favourite jobber, especially when he created Right To Censor and got into winning.

[Bad News Gertner]

I LOVED Iron Mike Sharpe. His whole shtick was hilarious.

Rusty Brooks who was a big fat jobber in the mid 80s that Vince called "a walrus" was fucking tremendous.

Have you ever watched the episode of Tuesday Night Titans where all the guests were jobbers? It was awesome and Rusty Brooks steals the show.

The Duke of Dorchester Pete Doherty was really entertaining


For whatever reason I was a big Mideon fan. Probably because i used to watch Shotgun Saturday Night/WWF Metal every Saturday and he was always on it.

Lastly, in 97-98 Jim Cornette was booking the jobbers ao you'd get awesome indie guys like Ace Darling, Christopher Daniels and Devon Storm and old Southern rasslers like Tommy Rogers and Davey Rich. The Hardy Boyz were awesome jobbers as well

I'm a jobber lover and could talk about them for ages

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

what are your thoughts on the homoerotic jobber fetish that has taken YouTube comment sections by storm?

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol it's the greatest thing on youtube. The comments sections will make you cry.....for various reasons.

[Seanny One Ball]

What's that about a homoerotic jobber fetish?

[Bad News Gertner]

Read the comment section of this match and it'll explain everything.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dU2lxevUg40&t=1s

[Seanny One Ball]

I feel unclean now

[Bad News Gertner]

Hahaha

[Seanny One Ball]

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13:35 for the most bafflingly poignant musical choice in wrestling history.
The video accompanying the tune should be a tampon advert.

[Bad News Gertner]

Continental Wrestling was an amazing Territory that was pretty much not talked about until about 10 years ago. They didn't get a lot of magazine coverage, but with pretty much every territory being at your finger tips with how advanced technology is, people are seeing how great it was.

[Bad News Gertner]

Also, I love my avatar

[Seanny One Ball]

Iron Mike Sharpe had the physique of a Roman gladiator.
Was he the one that used to run up and down the bleachers before and after an event?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

it was weird. Sharpe in his younger days had a really good body. As he got older he was still in good shape -- in really good shape, actually -- but his body was not exactly an aesthetic pleasure to behold.

[Bad News Gertner]

Iron Mike Sharpe had the physique of a Roman gladiator.
Was he the one that used to run up and down the bleachers before and after an event?

Haha yup, Sharpe was in crazy shape. When you watch his House Show matches he's constantly moving. He doesn't just sit in a nerve hold like most wrestlers his size.

[Bad News Gertner]

Worst Women's match I've ever seen. Magnificent Mimi vs Candi Devine for the AWA Women's title. It's soooo bad.

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[Supreme Olajuwon]

it was weird. Sharpe in his younger days had a really good body. As he got older he was still in good shape -- in really good shape, actually -- but his body was not exactly an aesthetic pleasure to behold.

I felt the same way about Dino Bravo using the strongman gimmick when I was a kid. Because I was stupid and thought strongmen should have a physique like the Ultimate Warrior or British Bulldog. I’m sitting on my couch thinking to myself, “that guy’s not strong, he’s just fat!”

[Seanny One Ball]

At 1:10 of that women's match you can see the world's most dangerous suplex.
That's right after a phantom clothesline and a rope run where one girl just falls down for no reason.

Could not finish.

[Seanny One Ball]

They do that thing where they shake their shoulders around then start bouncing towards each other like kids play fighting on a couch.

Fucking dreadful.

[Bad News Gertner]

:lol: that missed clothesline

[Seanny One Ball]

That thing is a gif goldmine.

I can't stop watching the first 70 seconds

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol if I knew how to do that, the missed clothesline will take a highly valued spot in my sig

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I felt the same way about Dino Bravo using the strongman gimmick when I was a kid. Because I was stupid and thought strongmen should have a physique like the Ultimate Warrior or British Bulldog. I’m sitting on my couch thinking to myself, “that guy’s not strong, he’s just fat!”

Yeah, though as I got older and understood physiques and body makeup, Bravo started looking much more impressive to me. His fucking shoulders, back, and chest were enormous. He just had that belly. It honestly made him look like a really solid front row rugby player -- and in wrestling I prefer that aesthetic.

Though I think how guys look on TV under the lights versus real life is always interesting.

On TV Steve Austin looked... almost like an everyman? Not that he looked in bad shape, but compared to the body guys he was just kind of "there," specifically when you're a kid. Then you see him next to regular people or even his role in the Expendables, and realize he's actually a fucking behemoth and jacked as fuck.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Worst Women's match I've ever seen. Magnificent Mimi vs Candi Devine for the AWA Women's title. It's soooo bad.

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Lol, the finish is amazing.

I love the commentary over this thing. The talk about her execution of the monkey flip is great.

[Seanny One Ball]

Then you see him next to regular people or even his role in the Expendables, and realize he's actually a fucking behemoth and jacked as fuck.

When he was in The Expendables he nearly killed Sylvester Stallone for real. Broke his neck.

Fucking piledrivers man.

[Seanny One Ball]

Also LOL @ this from Rocky 4

''Dolph Lundgren and I always went for it.

''I gave him orders to try to knock me out while the cameras were rolling.

''At one point, he hit me so hard on the top of the head I felt my spine compress.

''He then hit me with an almighty uppercut.

''That night my chest and heart started to swell, and I had to be helicopter-ambulanced from my hotel to a nearby emergency room.

''I was told that Dolph had punched my rib cage into my chest, compressing my heart.

''If it had swollen any more, I would have died. After that, I was like, 'Dolph, it's only a movie, bro...'''

Hahahahahaha

[Seanny One Ball]

That's one of the funniest things I have ever read.

[Bad News Gertner]

Greatest job of selling ever

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

When he was in The Expendables he nearly killed Sylvester Stallone for real. Broke his neck.

Fucking piledrivers man.

I think it was a tackle.

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah, that was the joke m8

[Seanny One Ball]

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This is actually a great match but the little white guy in the gi cracks me up. He calls himself "Kung Fu" and he taps out to a vertical suplex before it can be completed for one of the falls...

[Seanny One Ball]

Great technical skills though.

[Bad News Gertner]

King Fu Eddie Hamill!

I gotta watch more World of Sport.

[Seanny One Ball]

The mat wrestling is usually pretty good in World of Sport.

Just for reference, this is what other televised British sport looked like at the time:
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[Bad News Gertner]

Lol what the hell was that

[Seanny One Ball]

Shove ha'penny and pub/table skittles

[Seanny One Ball]

It was literally a sports show about pub games.
Britain just wasn't ready for the outdoors yet.

[Seanny One Ball]

Watching Mankind/Taker HIAC for the 100th time.

Best commentary ever recorded.

[Seanny One Ball]

Also in real time Foley's feats there are absurdly short spaced

[Seanny One Ball]

"Terry Funk's been chokeslammed out of his shoes"

"what is that sticking out of his nose?"

:lol:

Ugh, if it wasn't on film you'd never believe it.

[Bad News Gertner]

I think I've watched that match more than any other match besides Hogan vs Rock Wrestlemania 18.

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah me too. I think the only match that comes close is an old Shawn Michaels/Ric Flair match from like 1991 that I used to watch on VHS every morning for weeks/months.

[Seanny One Ball]

I can't actually remember anything about that match besides Michaels missing a dive and it being absolutely devastating.

Remember that?

When just flying into the railing meant a good minute on the floor.

[Bad News Gertner]

Beauty and the Beast vignette from Continental Wrestling. So 80's, so great. Such a great gimmick.

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[Seanny One Ball]

Pink sweats though

[Seanny One Ball]

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WWE apparently tried to hire Aleksandr Karelin every time he won the Olympics.
His record was 887 - 2.

My mind is completely blown by that number.
He looks like he's throwing children around but they're all 120kilos.

[Seanny One Ball]

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Danno O'Mahoney's Irish Whip into a snapmare takedown.
36 seconds in.
Still can't find the actual Irish Whip though.

[Seanny One Ball]

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Ultimate Warrior kicking fuck out of some snakes.
Real snakes.
Kicked.

[Bad News Gertner]

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WWE apparently tried to hire Aleksandr Karelin every time he won the Olympics.
His record was 887 - 2.

My mind is completely blown by that number.
He looks like he's throwing children around but they're all 120kilos.

I remember that. Japan really wanted him as well.

[Seanny One Ball]

Literally raised by the state to wrestle and dominate.
The real life Ivan Drago.

[Bad News Gertner]

Actually, I'm pretty sure he had a fake shoot fight in RINGS with Akira Maeda. I heard about it in a podcast a couple months ago.

[Bad News Gertner]

This may usurp California Championship Wrestling as the worst promotion I've ever seen. George Gulas's UWA.

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[Seanny One Ball]

Daddy said sell

[Bad News Gertner]

Hahaha

[Seanny One Ball]

http://kentuckyfriedwrestling.com/theword2/wp-content/uploads/jet-set.jpg

It's goddamn delightful

[Seanny One Ball]

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Greg Gagne looks buff compared to the boy Gulas.

[Bad News Gertner]

Plus Greg was actually good lol