Vince's Most Questionable moments

[The MAC]

Vince McMahon was reportedly so upset that his name was mentioned during Bret Hart's speech at the WWE Hall of Fame, and one of his writers was so convinced he might lose his job over it, that the writer quit before he could be fired.

Also, DX went to town mentioning Vinces name - wonder if that writer commited suicide.


So I thought it would be a good time to make mention of our favorite "Vince decisions and moments" that made us question the "genius" of the man who created Wrestlemania...

READDDDYYYY GOOO!

[XL]

Well you’d have to mention his way over the top reaction to Titus over the whole Bryan retirement deal.

[Droford]

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[Danny Electric]

Has Booker T ever reacted to that?

I think Vince trying to push for an incest angle between himself/Shane and Stephanie has got to be up there too.

[Droford]

Has Booker T ever reacted to that?

I think Vince trying to push for an incest angle between himself/Shane and Stephanie has got to be up there too.

"Tell me he didn't just say that"

[Droford]

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[Danny Electric]

"Tell me he didn't just say that"

😀 I meant as in a podcast/interview/article.

[Droford]

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[xrodmuc316]

Questionable storylines and booking decisions, there is a ton, too many to count.

As for real life, how about running a 3 hour tribute episode to Chris Benoit after he killed his wife and kid?

Yes the full story was not yet out to the public, but it became pretty clear after time went by that WWE knew what had happened a few hours before Raw ever went on the air, and still went with the tribute episode knowing they would need to backtrack after, which Vince did the next night on ECW.

That was a questionable decision.

[Emperor Smeat]

Having the first person Brock Lesnar lost to after he ended Taker's Mania streak being Taker himself.

Wasted two huge potential star making rubs in favor of Taker getting his "win" back instead. Killed the rub from the streak ending and the rub from Lesnar's streak killing aura.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Shane & Vince v. Shawn and "God":

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[xrodmuc316]

Shane & Vince v. Shawn and "God":

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Not gonna lie, the special effects from that gimmick were pure comedy. The spotlight in the corner, McMahon acting like the ground was shaking, classic!


And Vince doing the HHH Spit with the holy water, amazing.

[DAMN iNATOR]

One where he wasn't directly involved on-camera (the infamous segment that was pre-taped, and furthermore approved by WWE to air hours after the 7/7/2005 London bomb attacks):

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OOF.

[Vastardikai]

Rita Chatterton (allegedly)

[xrodmuc316]

Oh duh, I know. Basically anything he has attempted outside of wrestling lol.

Ico-Pro
WBF
XFL
WWF New York

Dude is real good at throwing money down the tubes that he could have used for Wrestler's pensions, you know, the ones that made him the money in the first place.

[Evil Vito]

I’ve often wondered if Vince is a genius with idiot tendencies or an idiot with genius tendencies.

[erickman]

any time he deals with hbo

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

covering up Jimmy Snuka murdering his girlfriend.

[Seanny One Ball]

Mabel as King Of The Ring

[Big Vic]

The booking of 90% of the Kings after KOTR

The Viking Experience.

[Gerard]

Hiring back Brock who has literally phoned in every match since his return? Yet the old man thinks Monkey boy is box office..

[Big Vic]

Which return?

[xrodmuc316]

Hiring back Brock who has literally phoned in every match since his return? Yet the old man thinks Monkey boy is box office..

Lesnar was the definition of printing money from Mania 30-Hell in the Cell the following year. A solid 18 months. After that, he pretty much phoned it in lol.

[Big Vic]

He didn't phone it in before that either.

Matches with Bryan and AJ we really good too.

[KIRA]

This may be more questioning his sanity but his absolute Banning of the word wrestling.


Loudly proclaiming the women's Revolution while heading to a region of the world with the worst women's rights/ human rights record imaginable. ( yes the money but still it comes across as really disingenuous

His mocking of Jr's Bell's palsy every time I think about that it pisses me off.

He had this annoying tendency to play out his personal grudges in the ring and then be surprised when the fans s*** all over it

[Rammsteinmad]

He didn't phone it in before that either.

Matches with Bryan and AJ we really good too.

What a coincidence, that is.

[Gerard]

What a coincidence, that is.

Very strange. :eek:

[Evil Vito]

I remember in like 2008 or 2009 they briefly banned the word "superstars" and all of the male wrestlers had to be referred to as "entertainers"

It sounded so fucking dumb, and even WWE realized it as they went back to superstars within a couple of weeks

[Gerard]

This may be more questioning his sanity but his absolute Banning of the word wrestling.




Because he's a loon with an inferiority complex. He hates his background, being brought up in a caravan in North Carolina, his whole success is based on what was viewed for many years (and still is in some places) as redneck entertainment "Pro Wrestling" and that's something he seemingly can't stand. Hence the whole "sports entertainment \ superstar" shit, instead of Wrestling and Wrestler.

He said on the Austin podcast "pro wrestling" was what his dad did, and not what he does. What is he doing that makes it so much different in his mind? It's the same basic premise with a bigger budget behind it.

[xrodmuc316]

How about having a draft lottery, then changing his mind and randomly moving people back 6 days later lol

[Seanny One Ball]

His mocking of Jr's Bell's palsy every time I think about that it pisses me off.




Googling this at 11.59pm still technically ruined my day.

[Bad News Gertner]

Because he's a loon with an inferiority complex. He hates his background, being brought up in a caravan in North Carolina, his whole success is based on what was viewed for many years (and still is in some places) as redneck entertainment "Pro Wrestling" and that's something he seemingly can't stand. Hence the whole "sports entertainment \ superstar" shit, instead of Wrestling and Wrestler.

He said on the Austin podcast "pro wrestling" was what his dad did, and not what he does. What is he doing that makes it so much different in his mind? It's the same basic premise with a bigger budget behind it.

With his dad, the names on the marquee were the wrestlers in the Main Event

With Vince , it's the WWE on the marquee. His dad sold the wrestlers, Vince sells the brand. That's the difference.

[Gerard]

With his dad, the names on the marquee were the wrestlers in the Main Event

With Vince , it's the WWE on the marquee. His dad sold the wrestlers, Vince sells the brand. That's the difference.


Maybe so but you have to have people that fans want to see for the brand to go anywhere. Vince seems to be under the delusion he doesn't do "wrestling" at all.

[Seanny One Ball]

He can call it whatever he wants. Call it Not Wrestling. It's not wrestling is it. It wasn't wrestling in the 90's when he finally admitted it was fixed, it wasn't wrestling in the 50's,60's,70's and 80's when everybody knew but nobody was talking in public and it wasn't wrestling in the Lewis, Gotch, Burns days either when they first realised that a staged fight could be a bigger attraction than a carnival and could be done over and over again ad infinitum as long as nobody was really trying to kill the other guy because the next town over would want to see it too.

Wrestling is often terribly boring. That's why one David Shultz is a star to this day and the other one only got famous for being shot dead by a crazy millionaire and being played by Mark Ruffalo in the movie. A movie he isn't even the focus of.

So that's what wrestling gets ya. Shot in the driveway by Steve Carell.

[Bad News Gertner]

There are multiple newspaper articles dating back to the 30's calling wrestling fixed.
Jack Pfefer went public in the media about wrestling being fixed.

[Gerard]

He can call it whatever he wants. Call it Not Wrestling. It's not wrestling is it. It wasn't wrestling in the 90's when he finally admitted it was fixed, it wasn't wrestling in the 50's,60's,70's and 80's when everybody knew but nobody was talking in public and it wasn't wrestling in the Lewis, Gotch, Burns days either when they first realised that a staged fight could be a bigger attraction than a carnival and could be done over and over again ad infinitum as long as nobody was really trying to kill the other guy because the next town over would want to see it too.

Wrestling is often terribly boring. That's why one David Shultz is a star to this day and the other one only got famous for being shot dead by a crazy millionaire and being played by Mark Ruffalo in the movie. A movie he isn't even the focus of.

So that's what wrestling gets ya. Shot in the driveway by Steve Carell.


It's not amateur wrestling, which is real, it is "pro" wrestling which is choreographed.

[Big Vic]

What a coincidence, that is.

Very strange. :eek:

Brock can phone it in with a good wrestler, ask Rollins and Ambrose.

[Seanny One Ball]

There are multiple newspaper articles dating back to the 30's calling wrestling fixed.


There are articles dating back to the late 1800's man.

I doubt there's an era of wrestling that doesn't have plenty of evidence supporting the notion it was entirely worked.
That Turkish invasion thing was funny when I read about it last year.

I was delighted when I found out all of that stuff was just as fake as Hulk Hogan. It proves that history is better off reimagined than revisited.

[Seanny One Ball]

It's not amateur wrestling, which is real, it is "pro" wrestling which is choreographed.

It's Sports Entertainment or Not Wrestling or whatever Vince tells us it is.

No wrestling is wrestling. Even the Greeks took cash dives.

[Gerard]

It's Sports Entertainment or Not Wrestling or whatever Vince tells us it is.

No wrestling is wrestling. Even the Greeks took cash dives.

Vince is fulla shit though. :nono:

[Bad News Gertner]

There are articles dating back to the late 1800's man.

I doubt there's an era of wrestling that doesn't have plenty of evidence supporting the notion it was entirely worked.
That Turkish invasion thing was funny when I read about it last year.

I was delighted when I found out all of that stuff was just as fake as Hulk Hogan. It proves that history is better off reimagined than revisited.

Yup, a buddy of mine posted a couple from the 1800s a while back

[DAMN iNATOR]

Yup, a buddy of mine posted a couple from the 1800s a while back

How many world championships did Abe Lincoln win in his career? :shifty:

[Evil Vito]

I think Vince was the only person in the company that found Big Dick Johnson's appearances to be a knee slapper.

[Gerard]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

The Saudi deal is a ticking time-bomb for WWE. It could seriously be one of the dumbest fucking decisions the company has ever made. Short-term gain for potentially ostracizing future generations of fans and blackballing themselves from sponsors and maybe even TV networks should there be one really fast or really slow news day, and WWE becomes a prominent target for the media.

[Bad News Gertner]

Let's be honest, does anyone REALLY care about the WWE doing these shows in Saudi Arabia? Judging by their stock prices they don't

[KIRA]

He can call it whatever he wants. Call it Not Wrestling. It's not wrestling is it. It wasn't wrestling in the 90's when he finally admitted it was fixed, it wasn't wrestling in the 50's,60's,70's and 80's when everybody knew but nobody was talking in public and it wasn't wrestling in the Lewis, Gotch, Burns days either when they first realised that a staged fight could be a bigger attraction than a carnival and could be done over and over again ad infinitum as long as nobody was really trying to kill the other guy because the next town over would want to see it too.

Wrestling is often terribly boring. That's why one David Shultz is a star to this day and the other one only got famous for being shot dead by a crazy millionaire and being played by Mark Ruffalo in the movie. A movie he isn't even the focus of.

So that's what wrestling gets ya. Shot in the driveway by Steve Carell. I fully expect to wake up one day and find that he's changed the name from World Wrestling Entertainment to just World entertainment so when they call themselves The W E I can derisively start mocking them as women's entertainment Network

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Let's be honest, does anyone REALLY care about the WWE doing these shows in Saudi Arabia? Judging by their stock prices they don't

they have the benefit of being bottom of the barrel. Nothing they do can really hurt them beyond another wrestler murdering their family.

[Seanny One Ball]

I fully expect to wake up one day and find that he's changed the name from World Wrestling Entertainment to just World entertainment so when they call themselves The W E I can derisively start mocking them as women's entertainment Network


Vince is preparing a bid for E! as we speak.

[Stickman]

The Saudi deal is a ticking time-bomb for WWE. It could seriously be one of the dumbest fucking decisions the company has ever made. Short-term gain for potentially ostracizing future generations of fans and blackballing themselves from sponsors and maybe even TV networks should there be one really fast or really slow news day, and WWE becomes a prominent target for the media.

Literally nobody cares. It’s pro wrestling. Nothing “mainstream” cares at all about pro wrestling.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Literally nobody cares. It’s pro wrestling. Nothing “mainstream” cares at all about pro wrestling.

You've failed to remember that Noid is a giant idiot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Let's be honest, does anyone REALLY care about the WWE doing these shows in Saudi Arabia? Judging by their stock prices they don't

Not right now, but if it becomes hot-button that could change and the history is forever tied to them. They slip under the radar right now because they're not mainstream, but when they have a lead-in of 6 million people in October or they go over while there is some sort of crisis, as is prone to happen, then suddenly it could become a story. And that's when that stock price will take a drop.

Literally nobody cares. It’s pro wrestling. Nothing “mainstream” cares at all about pro wrestling.

They lost $5 million last time. Obviously not a net loss, but it's demonstrably not true that "literally nobody cares."

[Bad News Gertner]

People will care for a day like the John Oliver piece and move on because some other persin/company will do something worse and so on and so on

[Mr. Nerfect]

Going to make it hard to make new fans and younger fans though. You can get away with shit until you don't. If it becomes a story and WWE becomes "toxic," there's no guarantee that it won't be easier for business partners to just drop them. Then you'll see that stock price effected.

When it does start to affect the stock, it's probably too late to do anything to rectify it, because the investors are only going to panic about $40 million shows or whatever when the stink from dirty whore work won't wash out.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Surprised nobody has mentioned deciding to go on with Over the Edge 1999 after Owen was killed in that horrific accident.

I think the Brawl For All belongs in this thread too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

* Greasing the wheels of justice for Jimmy Snuka (allegedly)

* Rita Chatterton (allegedly)

* The tanning salon (allegedly)

* Airing the Chris Benoit tribute show

* The way he treats JR

* Melanie Pillman interview

* The exploitation of real life deaths on WWE TV

[DAMN iNATOR]

Speaking of deaths, he probably could've waited a few years and not had Eddie go in with the 2006 class, especially considering his family didn't want it at the time.

I also feel a by-product of Eddie's death was Rey getting shoehorned into the world title match @ WM 22, which was originally supposed to be between Angle and Orton. I still wonder from time to time what could've been. I ideally would've loved seeing Orton win the title. Really seemed like it should've been the time to put him back on the pedestal he had been prematurely elevated to a year and a half before at SummerSlam 2004.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Rey's push itself was fine. I was hearing someone talk about it recently, and they actually suggested him getting the belt in 2004 when Eddie cracked under the pressure. I've also heard Booker T suggested for the spot.

I would have preferred a straight forward Angle vs. Rey match without any of the Eddie nonsense around it. Their SummerSlam '02 match is one of my favorite short matches and openers ever.

[Vastardikai]

* Greasing the wheels of justice for Jimmy Snuka (allegedly)

* Rita Chatterton (allegedly)

* The tanning salon (allegedly)

* Airing the Chris Benoit tribute show

* The way he treats JR

* Melanie Pillman interview

* The exploitation of real life deaths on WWE TV

Oh Yeah, the Melanie Pillman interview... There's a special place in hell for Vince for that alone...

[DAMN iNATOR]

Rey's push itself was fine. I was hearing someone talk about it recently, and they actually suggested him getting the belt in 2004 when Eddie cracked under the pressure. I've also heard Booker T suggested for the spot.

I would have preferred a straight forward Angle vs. Rey match without any of the Eddie nonsense around it. Their SummerSlam '02 match is one of my favorite short matches and openers ever.

Well, King Booker did take it from him within 4 months at The Great American Bash. He had a pretty entertaining run, too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well, King Booker did take it from him within 4 months at The Great American Bash. He had a pretty entertaining run, too.

I meant Booker taking it from Eddie in 2004.

[Stickman]

Going to make it hard to make new fans and younger fans though. You can get away with shit until you don't. If it becomes a story and WWE becomes "toxic," there's no guarantee that it won't be easier for business partners to just drop them. Then you'll see that stock price effected.

When it does start to affect the stock, it's probably too late to do anything to rectify it, because the investors are only going to panic about $40 million shows or whatever when the stink from dirty whore work won't wash out.

They're trying to get new fans in the middle east by going there. So what's going to make it hard to make new fans by going to these non-traditional markets?

[Evil Vito]

I don't think airing the Benoit tribute show should be on that list of WWE's transgressions. They found out about his death only a few hours by showtime and when it went on the air very few of the details were known.

Based on a few shoots I've heard, the wrestlers were all sent home and most of them were watching the Benoit show from their hotels - and it wasn't until midway through the show that speculation of it being a murder-suicide was starting.

I suppose WWE could've abruptly cut the episode halfway through and pivoted to random classic non-Benoit matches, but the details were still so murky by then I can understand why they didn't. They made up for it the next day by opening ECW with Vince basically saying fuck Chris Benoit and that was that.

[Seanny One Ball]

The way Bart Gunn was punished after the Brawl For All stands out as a particularly nasty, pointless and destructive piece of booking in WWE history. Presumably Vince had to be involved.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They're trying to get new fans in the middle east by going there. So what's going to make it hard to make new fans by going to these non-traditional markets?

Lol, they’re trying to get paid out the ass to be a propaganda firm for a regime that disregards human rights. It’s not a great look in a world where kids are increasingly becoming more aware about these things as consumers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, they’re trying to get paid out the ass to be a propaganda firm for a regime that disregards human rights. It’s not a great look in a world where kids are becoming increasingly more aware about these things as consumers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think airing the Benoit tribute show should be on that list of WWE's transgressions. They found out about his death only a few hours by showtime and when it went on the air very few of the details were known.

Based on a few shoots I've heard, the wrestlers were all sent home and most of them were watching the Benoit show from their hotels - and it wasn't until midway through the show that speculation of it being a murder-suicide was starting.

I suppose WWE could've abruptly cut the episode halfway through and pivoted to random classic non-Benoit matches, but the details were still so murky by then I can understand why they didn't. They made up for it the next day by opening ECW with Vince basically saying fuck Chris Benoit and that was that.

They knew. They just wanted to have their cake and act surprised when it came out it was made with feces and bad eggs.

[Seanny One Ball]

Oh fuck off with that display.

Ban Noid

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh fuck off with that display.

Ban Noid

?

Carl De Marco knew hours before show-time and let them know. It's possible they were all just in this collective state of denial, but it's more likely that they didn't want to admit guilt until it became an actual news story, because that would have bounced back on them knowing that wrestling makes people crazy and/or that their Wellness policy wasn't up to scratch.

They also made up the Fragile X. WWE were awful around this whole thing. Yeah, it's a mess, but is it so hard for Vince to come out and say "Look, we're learning new stuff about this all the time. Benoit was a professional, but some of the news we've heard has challenged and disturbed us. We will not celebrate until we know for sure that we can have a clean conscience. We plan to do what we do best -- entertain -- so here is some first-run footage we have cataloged. Thank you to our wonderful fans for their patience."

You can take a step back while making it look unexpected without putting your fingers in your ears and hoping you don't get shit on you. And trying to blame the fictional condition of a little boy for the stresses that drove the man to do this, as opposed to the concussed cocktail he was.

[LibSuperstar]

I remember Nash being one person who didn't think WWE should've done the Benoit tribute. As for the Saudi Arabia deal, I think there was one or two known politicians speaking on it b/c there were a few ppl on my Twitter TL who responded how WWE was getting flack for the same thing other businesses were doing.

[Seanny One Ball]

Noid doesn't understand that posting then immediately quoting that post is spectacularly first-female-offspring behaviour.

Ban Noid ffs

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid doesn't understand that posting then immediately quoting that post is spectacularly first-female-offspring behaviour.

Ban Noid ffs

What the fuck does first-female-offspring behavior mean?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I remember Nash being one person who didn't think WWE should've done the Benoit tribute. As for the Saudi Arabia deal, I think there was one or two known politicians speaking on it b/c there were a few ppl on my Twitter TL who responded how WWE was getting flack for the same thing other businesses were doing.

Regal knew from his interview that they recorded earlier during the day too.

[Seanny One Ball]

What the fuck does first-female-offspring behavior mean?

Entitled little girl

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, how does that even fit?

[Seanny One Ball]

Brilliant. So you've never met a girl or aren't allowed around children.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hey, I'm not the one having a sook. I hope you have the appropriate support networks in place to get you through this difficult time.

[Seanny One Ball]

I am having a sook.

I love it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I am having a sook.

I love it.

Oh fuck off with that display.

Ban Noid

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

he only said that because you are a fucking nimrod, Noid.

[Seanny One Ball]

Noid doesn't even know his own TPWW meme.

[Big Vic]

The way Bart Gunn was punished after the Brawl For All stands out as a particularly nasty, pointless and destructive piece of booking in WWE history. Presumably Vince had to be involved.

The fact that he won and they pretty much took him off TV is baffling.

[Seanny One Ball]

Off to Japan with you but not before a boxing match with a man monster

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid doesn't even know his own TPWW meme.

Is ban Noid even a thing? This is really labored.

[Seanny One Ball]

You may be overestimating how hard it is to say "Ban Noid"

[Mr. Nerfect]

But that's not a meme...

[Mr. Nerfect]

You are definitely overestimating your wit.

[Seanny One Ball]

Seanny One Ball ain't nothin' to fuck wit

[Seanny One Ball]

This is just like when LJ used Frank's meme on ABT and it caused a whole thing.

Irresponsible meme'ing costs lives.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid is the sharp, un-lubed fingernail that penetrates the butthole of life.

[Seanny One Ball]

Noid is the "taking three dicks at once but just the tips cause I'm not a slut" of life.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid is akin to 5 days worth of constipation catching up with you when you're about to get lucky.

[Seanny One Ball]

He's the "barium meal for every meal" of life.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He's like meeting the girl of your dreams only to realize Nickleback is her favorite band.

[Evil Vito]

Noid is the sharp, un-lubed fingernail that penetrates the butthole of life.

#POTY

[Seanny One Ball]

Noid is like absent mindedly playing with the underside of the seat you're sitting on only to realise that your fingers are now covered in snot, chewed gum and bum crumbs.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid is finishing a shit only to realize you didn't successfully finish wiping.

[Seanny One Ball]

Noid is also like starting to wipe when you haven't even finished shitting

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid is like discovering your chocolate eclair is filled with cum

[Evil Vito]

Noid is like needing to take a shit right after you've gotten out of the shower

[Seanny One Ball]

Noid is like a relative who's life support has to be turned off and everybody else is too upset to do it so you just walk in and start kicking his machine to pieces.

Out of love.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid is Donald Trump's hairpiece.

[Evil Vito]

Noid is like when you're having an enjoyable wank session only for it to cut to a close up of the dick right at the moment you cum

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid is your favorite team winning the championship only for it to be overturned due to a drug test failure.

[Evil Vito]

Noid is like turning off your game console after you got past the level you were stuck on only to realize you forgot to save your progress

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid is getting your finger stuck in a door only to realize it's not your finger - but your dick that's stuck in the door.

[Evil Vito]

Noid is the slow realization that everybody around you is getting their food even though you ordered way before them.

[Bad News Gertner]

I like Noid

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Gertner is like that guy who likes the other guy that nobody else likes.

[Evil Vito]

Gertner would allow himself to be Eiffel Towered by Dale and Vlad Jr and they’d high five during it.

[Bad News Gertner]

I'm a just King

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid is the slow realization that everybody around you is getting their food even though you ordered way before them.

LOL I didn't see this one. Noid is so this, but also if the food you did end up getting gave you both salmonella and herpes.

[Seanny One Ball]

I like Noid

Yeah I don't even know the guy, I've been saying Ban Noid long before I ever interacted with him properly.

But here I am explaining memes again.

[Seanny One Ball]

Noid is the slow realization that everybody around you is getting their food even though you ordered way before them.

Noid is the juice that Andre The Giant wrings out of his singlet as he wraps the shoulder strap around your mouth and it all pours down your throat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah I don't even know the guy, I've been saying Ban Noid long before I ever interacted with him properly.

But here I am explaining memes again.

I don’t think it’s a meme if you’re the only one who notices you doing it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like Noid

Thanks, Gertner. Love the insight you bring. You’re king of the forum, hands down. You and #1-wwf-fan are the best posters here.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol Noid labelling the only 2 posters that like him as the best posters. Funny how that works.

[Vastardikai]

I like Noid as well, and I'm far from the best poster on the TPDub. Hell, most of the time, I barely even qualify as a poster.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like you too, Vastardikai. When you're around.

[Seanny One Ball]

I don’t think it’s a meme if you’re the only one who notices you doing it.

It's a fairly common phrase that I certainly did not coin.

Nan Boid

[Seanny One Ball]

lol Noid labelling the only 2 posters that like him as the best posters. Funny how that works.


Ah rully lyke u Dale, u ma bust frund

[Seanny One Ball]

Feel like Noid is deliberately not saying he likes me to hurt my feelings.

Which is mean...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Feel like Noid is deliberately not saying he likes me to hurt my feelings.

Which is mean...

You’re the one who started the whole thing. I’m responding to people who say they like me. You call yourself “One Ball,” well try and follow it bouncing along.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid displaying that versatile sense of humor he's so well-known for.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And I’m getting weird acts way more clever than they are vibes from you, which is annoying. You’re also trying to act like a top dog without any merit behind it. So nah, I’m not sold on you. If you have useful stuff to add to a discussion, cool, since that’s what I come here for. Don’t really care if I like you or not, lol. But since you seem so hung up on it, I’ll give you my opinion.

[Seanny One Ball]

You’re the one who started the whole thing. I’m responding to people who say they like me. You call yourself “One Ball,” well try and follow it bouncing along.

That's not how testes operate.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They usually operate on your chin and forehead, bopping off them repeatedly propelled by a squatting motion.

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah but in fairness I was trying to suck my own dick.

You always leave that part out.

[Mr. JL]

Vince adding time to independent contractors contracts for injuries sustained in the workplace or freezing contracts for wrestlers who want to resign for years is more than likely going to backfire if anyone bothers to challenge it in court.

[Gerard]

Vince adding time to independent contractors contracts for injuries sustained in the workplace or freezing contracts for wrestlers who want to resign for years is more than likely going to backfire if anyone bothers to challenge it in court.

The independent contractor thing needs taken to court and exposed for the pile of shit it is. You're exclusive to one company and you even have to ask if you can get a haircut of any significance (going long to short for example) because it would change your look vs what they have on their posters etc, yet you're "independent"? wtf.

I recall a former wwe wrestler (possibly raven, can't remember exactly) saying that if you were truly an independent contractor then technically you could hire someone else to do the match\appearances for you. It's always just been a scam for wwe to not pay pensions, health benefits etc, yet they're allowed to get away with it. Supposedly it would require someone currently under contract to take them to court over it, when it was challenged before the wrestlers concerned were out of wwe over 5 years, and there was some time constraint applied to how soon after it could be brought up in court and they were beyond that limit.

[Seanny One Ball]

I would have loved it if Raven had hired a decent wrestler in his place.

[James Steele]

Raven had a good run from ECW thru 1998/Beverly Hills Raven angle.

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Of course he would have. That's not even up for debate. <a href="https://t.co/hYuEDPGliP">https://t.co/hYuEDPGliP</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1124290347872296961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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[Sixx]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Of course he would have. That's not even up for debate. <a href="https://t.co/hYuEDPGliP">https://t.co/hYuEDPGliP</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1124290347872296961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Rarely do I laugh out loud when reading posts, but this made me.

[BigCrippyZ]

The independent contractor thing needs taken to court and exposed for the pile of shit it is. You're exclusive to one company and you even have to ask if you can get a haircut of any significance (going long to short for example) because it would change your look vs what they have on their posters etc, yet you're "independent"? wtf.

I recall a former wwe wrestler (possibly raven, can't remember exactly) saying that if you were truly an independent contractor then technically you could hire someone else to do the match\appearances for you. It's always just been a scam for wwe to not pay pensions, health benefits etc, yet they're allowed to get away with it. Supposedly it would require someone currently under contract to take them to court over it, when it was challenged before the wrestlers concerned were out of wwe over 5 years, and there was some time constraint applied to how soon after it could be brought up in court and they were beyond that limit.

It seems that WWE really does cross the line significantly more into employee territory. WWE controls when, where, and how the talent performs, the services that WWE talent performs are personal and exclusive in nature (i.e., they are the only people who can legitimately perform as their WWE characters, and WWE typically won't let them work for other pro-wrestling employers), WWE typically has ongoing long contractual relationships with talent that last for years, it seems that WWE apparently has the right to terminate their relationship without paying money damages to the talent, etc. All of which are factors that would make most other relationships employer-employee and not independent contractors.

[DAMN iNATOR]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Of course he would have. That's not even up for debate. <a href="https://t.co/hYuEDPGliP">https://t.co/hYuEDPGliP</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1124290347872296961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Don't they call it No Escape in Germany? I've always thought that sounds just as bad.

Can't recall if they also had an alternate name for No Way Out in Germany or not, since that also seems real bad.

[Gerard]

It seems that WWE really does cross the line significantly more into employee territory. WWE controls when, where, and how the talent performs, the services that WWE talent performs are personal and exclusive in nature (i.e., they are the only people who can legitimately perform as their WWE characters, and WWE typically won't let them work for other pro-wrestling employers), WWE typically has ongoing long contractual relationships with talent that last for years, it seems that WWE apparently has the right to terminate their relationship without paying money damages to the talent, etc. All of which are factors that would make most other relationships employer-employee and not independent contractors.

Yup, it just amazes me how they've been allowed to get away with this for so long, i'd love to see it challenged in court and WWE come out on the losing side. It's been the Elephant in the room for decades and it's still never really been challenged properly.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Someone needs to give the miserable talent being hoarded the idea to challenge the independent contractor thing. The Revival, Sasha Banks, Luke Harper, etc.

[xrodmuc316]

Someone needs to give the miserable talent being hoarded the idea to challenge the independent contractor thing. The Revival, Sasha Banks, Luke Harper, etc.

They just need to not care about the consequences. Brock Lesnar told Vince to stick his no compete clause up his ass because he knew it wasn't enforceable and the only thing WWE could do was run up his legal bill.

What's great is Brock said fuck it, paid the legal bill, won, and now has made back the money WWE cost him 30 times over.

All the wrestlers who genuinely bitch about Brocks contract are idiots. That dude has had Vince by the balls from day one, and it makes me happy knowing he flat out refuses to play any of their bullying games, and because of that he rakes in Vinces cash like no other person has in 40 years.

[Seanny One Ball]

Brock Lesnar is a brand based on more than image alone. Vince can't control that and has an ugly history of attempting to take a piece of the action when it comes to guys who bring in their own revenue.

[KIRA]

I just wonder how they keep letting themselves be roped into these stupid contracts part of me wants to say you guys are dumb enough to sign them then you get everything you deserve the other part of me goes you guys are f****** idiots to not see that that contract is complete b******* you don't even have to need a lawyer to see how messed up and one sided it is

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hope talent now ask for an out clause.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Brock Lesnar is a brand based on more than image alone. Vince can't control that and has an ugly history of attempting to take a piece of the action when it comes to guys who bring in their own revenue.

That being said, I did have a good laugh upon hearing that he was supposed to return to UFC only to try to demand some outrageous amount of money for his fight he was to have and now he might be done. Good. Screw him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What’s wrong with Brock wanting to get paid?

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah. If he needed the money, he would have brought his price down to meet them. But he doesn’t. So he can just let Vince pay him a disgusting amount of money to work 5 minutes every couple months because he made himself a star. Good for him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People who say Brock is only in it for the money at this point confuse me. He must have more money than the US government, at this point. I’m sure being paid is nice, but I think Brock’s way past the point where he has to do it.

[DAMN iNATOR]

What’s wrong with Brock wanting to get paid?

You missed my point (r/woosh). I have no problem with him getting paid, but it sounds to me like he was probably valuing himself at way more than what they were willing to offer him.

If I was in his situation, and I was offered 7 figures, and I thought it was a lowball offer, sure, I might counter-offer but I'm not going to demand, say 8 or 9 figures just because I think I deserve it.

I don't have the full facts of what happened, but it's easy to see based on what reporting was done, where some people (admittedly, myself included) would think he probably acted like an entitled brat and then threw a hissy fit and threatened to never fight for UFC again. I hope to be proven wrong, but unless I am, I stand by my opinion.

[DAMN iNATOR]

People who say Brock is only in it for the money at this point confuse me. He must have more money than the US government, at this point. I’m sure being paid is nice, but I think Brock’s way past the point where he has to do it.

News flash, every citizen, even those in debt, in the US, have more money than our government. In case you hadn't heard, the government is in debt to the tune of nearly $22 trillion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You missed my point (r/woosh). I have no problem with him getting paid, but it sounds to me like he was probably valuing himself at way more than what they were willing to offer him.

If I was in his situation, and I was offered 7 figures, and I thought it was a lowball offer, sure, I might counter-offer but I'm not going to demand, say 8 or 9 figures just because I think I deserve it.

I don't have the full facts of what happened, but it's easy to see based on what reporting was done, where some people (admittedly, myself included) would think he probably acted like an entitled brat and then threw a hissy fit and threatened to never fight for UFC again. I hope to be proven wrong, but unless I am, I stand by my opinion.

And you missed our points. Woosh. He set a price, they weren't willing to meet it, he said that he was not going to fight then. The UFC just signed a giant new deal with ESPN and apparently there is a change in how they are paying, and he wanted to make coin if he was going to do it. The guy's not obligated to fight for whatever chump change Dana White wants to throw at him, lol. He set a price -- he's entitled to do so. I doubt either Brock nor Dana are losing sleep over this.

News flash, every citizen, even those in debt, in the US, have more money than our government. In case you hadn't heard, the government is in debt to the tune of nearly $22 trillion.

It's an expression, hombre. $22 trillion to play with is more than most banks will lend the average citizen.

[DAMN iNATOR]

It's a debt, "hombre". They're not playing with house money no matter how much it might seem like it. It's literally money the government owes to its coffers just to get out of the red.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jesus Christ, I wasn't being literal, DAMN.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's an expression. When you call someone "the dog's breakfast," they're not really the dog's breakfast.

[DAMN iNATOR]

It's an expression. When you call someone "the dog's breakfast," they're not really the dog's breakfast.

Well that's a weird expression and certainly one I've never heard, but C'est la vie or Que sera, sera or whatever. Sorry for interrupting the "adults" talking. Carry on.

[xrodmuc316]

That being said, I did have a good laugh upon hearing that he was supposed to return to UFC only to try to demand some outrageous amount of money for his fight he was to have and now he might be done. Good. Screw him.

UFC in general tremendously underpays their fighters. Floyd Mayweather can make $200 million for one fight, but UFC payouts are like $3 million top level.

The issue is UFC is like WWE now, their deal with ESPN means their PPV buyrates are far lower, so a guy like Lesnar might have got a guaranteed purse or a million, plus a percentage of PPV money. Now with traditional PPV down, Brock asked for a higher guarantee to make up the difference, but Dana White isn't going to inflate the purses for anybody or he will have to do it for everybody.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Was gonna say I thought I heard UFC got a guaranteed deal and don't necessarily need to worry as much about buy rates because they now get a flat payout or something like that, so having to pay up the ass for a legit draw like Lesnar isn't necessarily needed anymore.

Nobody loses. If UFC is healthy and stable enough to the point that they don't need to pay Lesnar his rate and Brock is obvs stable enough to only fight if the money's right, then it's really no big deal for either camp.

The one who's really getting fucked is Vince. He's paying out the ass to use Lesnar 5 to 10 times a year and his company isn't really better off for it. Lesnar, thru no fault of his own, certainly hasn't made anyone.

[Seanny One Ball]

Brock Lesnar doesn't want to fight for less than his retirement would cost. He is a good businessman.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He has a price and he doesn't negotiate. He's brilliant really.