Heel and Face Turns in Real Life

[The MAC]

A character turns heel by doing something dastardly, or joining another heel. a Character turns face by turning on a heel or doing something heroic.

This basic psychology, and it’s verry interesting to see if one sees can change the the world views a person. Is one good deed enough PR for the perception of a person to be changed?

Can you tell us quick heel or face turn examples ,from real life, that you have witnessed?

[Droford]

benoit/end thread

[The MAC]

Not so fast. I'm not talking (just) about the world of wrestling but rather real life instances.

[Droford]

Killing your wife and kid in a murder suicide sn't a heel turn in real life?

[SenatorJPO]

When I began college, I was a huge "babyface" advocate of higher education: Everyone should try to go! You get grants; scholarships; friends; connections; etc.!

But as I became an upperclassman, I saw that others were given more resources and more rewards than me: Some classmates held multiple internships at once; whereas, I held none, because those others had been chosen instead-of me!

By the time I graduated, I had neither a job offer nor unemployment benefits to cushion the financial pain of being laid-off -- or "not re-appointed," per the weasel words of the human resources coordinator -- from my on-campus job. (The latter amounted-to a punishment simply for graduating.)

I officially "turned heel" when I posted a scathing critique of higher education in the Facebook thread for the Summerfest-Lite knockoff "celebration" that the university was hosting in late August of my graduation year.

I've been a higher education critic ever since! (And enrollment at my alma mater has plummeted to 1980s levels. Coincidence?)

[Seanny One Ball]

benoit/end thread

Not so fast. I'm not talking (just) about the world of wrestling but rather real life instances.

Killing your wife and kid in a murder suicide sn't a heel turn in real life?

:lol:

[Maluco]

Chris Brown. Singing, dancing and all round popular songster Chris Brown, beating popular face girlfriend and then getting a suspicious tattoo on your neck that resembles said beaten woman. Like poor Chaz from attitude era, only Brown actually did it.

[The MAC]

Yea Benoit killing his family is a turn but the point of the thread is for people outside the wrestling bubble.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Mel Gibson with his drunken anti Semitic rants. He's done quite a bit since but he never seemed to regain his status.

[Droford]

Yea Benoit killing his family is a turn but the point of the thread is for people outside the wrestling bubble.

Then why is it in the wrestling forum

/Obviously didn't read the whole post

[XL]

Tiger Woods.

One of the most beloved “sports” players of all time until 2009 when his “transgressions” were revealed followed by a brush with the law, he’s now come full circle and is back to being a babyface.

Oscar Pistorious

Well, y’know...

[The MAC]

Then why is it in the wrestling forum

/Obviously didn't read the whole post


Because its wrestling psychology.

[Seanny One Ball]

Droford you stupid idiot, there was no good nor evil until wrestling.

[Evil Vito]

Lance Armstrong - inspiration to millions only to find he'd cheated

[Stickman]

The Democratic party.

[Big Vic]

When did they have a face turn?

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Benedict Arnold, sold out the USA
Judas Iscariot, sold out Jesus

[Big Vic]

When I began college, I was a huge "babyface" advocate of higher education: Everyone should try to go! You get grants; scholarships; friends; connections; etc.!

But as I became an upperclassman, I saw that others were given more resources and more rewards than me: Some classmates held multiple internships at once; whereas, I held none, because those others had been chosen instead-of me!

By the time I graduated, I had neither a job offer nor unemployment benefits to cushion the financial pain of being laid-off -- or "not re-appointed," per the weasel words of the human resources coordinator -- from my on-campus job. (The latter amounted-to a punishment simply for graduating.)

I officially "turned heel" when I posted a scathing critique of higher education in the Facebook thread for the Summerfest-Lite knockoff "celebration" that the university was hosting in late August of my graduation year.

I've been a higher education critic ever since! (And enrollment at my alma mater has plummeted to 1980s levels. Coincidence?)
:y::y::y:

[xrodmuc316]

How about that time Kramer was doing stand up comedy?

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[Tom Guycott]

The Democratic party.

[QUOTE=Big Vic;5247920]When did they have a face turn?


When a lot of the shithead racists jumped parties (particularly in the South) because the party wasn't being shitheadedly racist enough for their tastes.

People act like political lines have always been as they are now. A lot of the folks you see flying rebel flags and talking in not so subtle pro-white rhetoric would have been Democrats 100 years ago, but vote Republican today. It is one of the reasons why "Party of Lincolin" is disingenuous.

Alliances, belief structures, and situations shift. Especially in politics. It's often more like wrestling than wrestling is.



Anyway, my answer to the post is that one asshole who jacked up the price of that medicine his company sold because he could and outbid everyone on the single pressed Wu-Tang album just so nobody else would have it. He even said something about how he wanted to be hated like a supervillain or somesuch shit. Don't 100% remember his name, but I don't feel like googling it because fuck that guy.

[SenatorJPO]

The guy who Tom Guycott is talking about is "Pharma Bro" Martin Shkreli. He was sentenced to 7 years in federal prison -- for misleading investors, not for gouging consumers nor for otherwise disturbing the peace. (As a wanna-be super-villain would be wont-to-do!)

[SenatorJPO]

:y::y::y:


Thank you for the approval, Big Vic.

Another face-heel turn that comes-to-mind is one which many Minnesotans and Wisconsinites will remember:

Quarterback Brett Favre left his long-time home, the Green Bay Packers, and joined the New York Jets in 2008 and then a perennial Packers rival, the Minnesota Vikings, in 2009.

[xrodmuc316]

Thank you for the approval, Big Vic.

Another face-heel turn that comes-to-mind is one which many Minnesotans and Wisconsinites will remember:

Quarterback Brett Favre left his long-time home, the Green Bay Packers, and joined the New York Jets in 2008 and then a perennial Packers rival, the Minnesota Vikings, in 2009.

He didn't join the Jets, they traded him to the Jets.

In fact they didn't want him back because he wasn't there at the start of training camp, but they would not release him because he wanted to go to Minnesota, so much so that the trade agreement with the Jets stated the Jets were not allowed to trade Favre to the Vikings or the Jets would owe Green Bay their next 3 first round draft picks, in addition to any draft picks that they received from the Vikings for Favre. It was the most vindictive trade clause in NFL history.

The Jets then released Favre after one year, he signed with Minnesota, and had probably the 3rd best season of his 20 year career, and almost made it to the Super Bowl, but Bountygate and Drew Brees prevented it.

To me, the heel turn was the Packers, not Favre. And for all the metaphorical "blowing" of Aaron Rodgers the last 12 years, the dude has won as many Super Bowls as Favre, and just got his coach fired this past year, the same coach who was part of the decision to choose Rodgers.

Favres argument was "if I'm not good enough to play for you, then how can I be too good to play against you?". It is telling they traded him to a team they didn't have to play, which backs up Favre.

And after ALL that went down, Favre still embraces Green Bay and their fans. Favre = Babyface

[Seanny One Ball]

Pretty much anytime I hit the dance floor there's an abundance of heel turns as all the lovely ladies cast off their admirers and turn their attentions towards I, the Lord of the Dance.

[Tom Guycott]

The guy who Tom Guycott is talking about is "Pharma Bro" Martin Shkreli. He was sentenced to 7 years in federal prison -- for misleading investors, not for gouging consumers nor for otherwise disturbing the peace. (As a wanna-be super-villain would be wont-to-do!)

Yeah, I had an idea of spelling his last name, and I guess it was informative for those who didn't know, but like I said, fuck that guy. And as such, I wasn't even bothered giving the Google search any hits on his name.

[Tom Guycott]

He didn't join the Jets, they traded him to the Jets.

In fact they didn't want him back because he wasn't there at the start of training camp, but they would not release him because he wanted to go to Minnesota, so much so that the trade agreement with the Jets stated the Jets were not allowed to trade Favre to the Vikings or the Jets would owe Green Bay their next 3 first round draft picks, in addition to any draft picks that they received from the Vikings for Favre. It was the most vindictive trade clause in NFL history.

The Jets then released Favre after one year, he signed with Minnesota, and had probably the 3rd best season of his 20 year career, and almost made it to the Super Bowl, but Bountygate and Drew Brees prevented it.

To me, the heel turn was the Packers, not Favre. And for all the metaphorical "blowing" of Aaron Rodgers the last 12 years, the dude has won as many Super Bowls as Favre, and just got his coach fired this past year, the same coach who was part of the decision to choose Rodgers.

Favres argument was "if I'm not good enough to play for you, then how can I be too good to play against you?". It is telling they traded him to a team they didn't have to play, which backs up Favre.

And after ALL that went down, Favre still embraces Green Bay and their fans. Favre = Babyface

A lesson the 49ers organization learned with Colin Kaepernick. And I'm a fan, but they were far and away the heels with that program.

People forget that the relationship with the team went sideways before all the kneeling talk. In fact, it is what started it, since he was apparently suddenly "not good enough" to start anymore, but "too valuable to the team" to trade when Denver was interested. If he were on the field instead of riding pine, none of the protests would have ever happened. Also, they ran off a coach that was giving them results simply because they didn't like the guy, and have hired scrubs since.

[RaginRonic]

Within the wrestling world, pre and post ScrewJob...

Heels-Michaels, H, Vince McMahon, Vince Russo, and the USA Network
Faces-Bret, the whole Hart Family, all of Canada's WWF fans, and TSN

In the real world...

Politics

Heels-All ReTrumplicans for bleeding the U.S. dry
Faces-All those who don't agree with or take the side of Trump

Sports

Heels-All 24 U.S. NHL clubs, Gary 'FuckFace Pygmy Faggot' Bettman, and the NHL on NBC
Faces-All 7 Canadian NHL clubs and Sportsnet/TSN/CBC.

Heel-LeBron James
Faces-Those who don't like him

Heel-Floyd Mayweather for gaming boxing
Face-Those that want to rip off all of his balls for being a money pig

Video Games

Heel-Mario
Face-Sonic

Social

Heels-The Far Right
Faces-Anyone but them

TV

Heel-Fucks Noos
Face-All the others

80s Hard Rock Music

Heel-Bon Jovi
Face-EUROPE

And finally....

TPWW Forum

Heel-Everybody else
Face-Me, because I'm adorable. =P

[Big Vic]

When did they have a face turn?


When a lot of the shithead racists jumped parties (particularly in the South) because the party wasn't being shitheadedly racist enough for their tastes.

People act like political lines have always been as they are now. A lot of the folks you see flying rebel flags and talking in not so subtle pro-white rhetoric would have been Democrats 100 years ago, but vote Republican today. It is one of the reasons why "Party of Lincolin" is disingenuous.

Alliances, belief structures, and situations shift. Especially in politics. It's often more like wrestling than wrestling is.



Anyway, my answer to the post is that one asshole who jacked up the price of that medicine his company sold because he could and outbid everyone on the single pressed Wu-Tang album just so nobody else would have it. He even said something about how he wanted to be hated like a supervillain or somesuch shit. Don't 100% remember his name, but I don't feel like googling it because fuck that guy.
I wouldn't call it a face turn when they decided to destroy the black family and push for post term <s>murder</s> abortion.

You just made the case for Republicans turning heel, not dems turning face.

[Seanny One Ball]

In the real world...

Politics

Faces-All those who don't agree with or take the side of Trump




Ah come on

[xrodmuc316]

I wouldn't call it a face turn when they decided to destroy the black family and push for post term <s>murder</s> abortion.

You just made the case for Republicans turning heel, not dems turning face.

I really don't think Trump is a Republican, even though that is the party he was elected to.

In my lifetime there has been 3 Republican presidents, Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush and George W Bush. Trump is not like any of them, and mostly shits on them and their legacies.

If anything Trump being labeled as a Republican hurts the party. It's why classic Republicans like the Bush Family and John McCain and his family were/are all so publicly against him.

Say what you will about any of their political careers, but they are all the babyfaces.

[Evil Vito]

Both sides of the political aisle contain a massive amount of tossers.

[Tom Guycott]

^^^^^^^

[Danny Electric]

Bill Cosby

[Seanny One Ball]

If Bill Cosby had been open about what he was up to he could have been a popular top heel but he wasn't.

Look at Jimmy Page. He hasn't denied shit and still he's a beloved riff thieving sex offender.

Then you have Sean Penn, renowned as a woman beater despite never having done it. But you try telling anyone that, see how far they listen after Bob Honey.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

All the Democratic voters who went for Trump in 2016. Fuck them forever and a day.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Lol jimmy page literally gets a free pass because “rock and roll.” Fucking amazing

[Seanny One Ball]

R Kelly just doesn't know where he went wrong.
I can see why he's so confused now.