Ashley Massaro passes away at age 39

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ashley Massaro Dead at 39-Years-Old: <a href="https://t.co/HWZbnfTtKn">https://t.co/HWZbnfTtKn</a> <a href="https://t.co/H8pOSMakld">pic.twitter.com/H8pOSMakld</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Sheet (@WrestlingSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingSheet/status/1129170733693898752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Fignuts]

Fuuuuuuck

[Droford]

Almost had a real awkward trio of wrestling deaths

[Droford]

Her birthday was next Sunday too

[Evil Vito]

Fuck.....so young

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just answered a ton of fanmail so you guys should be receiving them soon! Love ya punx������ <a href="https://t.co/U1B1FJEoXK">pic.twitter.com/U1B1FJEoXK</a></p>&mdash; ☆ Ashley Massaro ☆ (@ashleymassaro11) <a href="https://twitter.com/ashleymassaro11/status/1128795589678895104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[GD]

Fuck! This is so sad. Rest In Peace, Ashley.

[Emperor Smeat]

:( RIP

[Black Widow]

RIP.

Liked her punk rock look.

[Evil Vito]

Had a major crush on her back in high school :(

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Unreal. I can't believe it.

[mike adamle]

She wasn't right for the wrestling business, wasn't really a fan and didn't really think she was very hot but still 39 is too damn young.

[Shisen Kopf]

Didn't even make it to 40. That's pretty punk rock I guess. Let's hope she went the way of Sid Vicious and stabbed her boyfriend and killed herself. That'd be punk rock

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's too fucking young.

[xrodmuc316]

Despite not coming up as a wrestling fan, she had the ability to really connect. She always looked like she was having fun, and it made her likable in a way most of the models turned diva couldn't hope to achieve.

RIP

[Vastardikai]

One thing that actually impressed me with Ashley was that, for the Diva Search, she actually did train to be a wrestler. Then... they sent her out way before she was ready. It's a shame.

R.I.P. Ashley.

[slik]

Reby sometimes would angry tweet @ Ashley on Twitter about her former relationship w/ Matt Hardy


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thx mama. People desperately trying to force me to care about something I don’t give a fuck about &amp; looking for it in shit that ain’t there. Im out here tweeting about drag race but I’m fat &amp; ugly cuz I ain’t in mourning lol</p>&mdash; Reby Hardy (@RebyHardy) <a href="https://twitter.com/RebyHardy/status/1129223934983987200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[xrodmuc316]

Reby sometimes would angry tweet @ Ashley on Twitter about her former relationship w/ Matt Hardy


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thx mama. People desperately trying to force me to care about something I don’t give a fuck about &amp; looking for it in shit that ain’t there. Im out here tweeting about drag race but I’m fat &amp; ugly cuz I ain’t in mourning lol</p>&mdash; Reby Hardy (@RebyHardy) <a href="https://twitter.com/RebyHardy/status/1129223934983987200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I believe Reby could not care less about Ashley passing, which is why I believe she wasn't happy or gloating based on two emojis. I think Reby was not effected in the slightest one way or the other.

That being said, it's Reby so the fact that people are gonna call her out, you can damn sure know she is coming back with full rage and hostility!

[Big Vic]

Survivor was her favorite show, so I'm glad she got to watch the finale.

[Evil Vito]

Saw Ashley with a whole bunch of other ex-WWE women hanging out together at WrestleCon last month. Rochelle Loewen, Katie Lea, Kaitlyn, etc. Life can change in a hurry.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t believe that people should fake emotion about things they don’t care about, but Reby seems legitimately cunty.

[Evil Vito]

Also don't really understand the idea of making comments like "Wasn't a fan of hers but still RIP"

Like, a RIP is sufficient. Or just say nothing.

It's like everyone who prefaced their well wishes for Roman's leukemia battle with "I'm not a fan of Roman Reigns the character, but..." as if they were going to get cool points.

[Splaya]

I enjoyed her run with WWE. She wasn't the greatest of performers but I feel like she did well with what she was given.

RIP

[Seanny One Ball]

She must been into something terrible because Luna made it to nearly 50 and she was on everything.

[Bad News Gertner]

Shelley Martinez just posted that it was suicide.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Her birthday was next Sunday too

Test was within 4 days of his 34th birthday when he passed. For a female superstar to pass at not even 40...I wish I could express something but I just don't have the words right now. RIP.

[DAMN iNATOR]

As was the case with a lot of WWE superstars, she had a great first theme only to have the next one be way worse. I post the former here in tribute to her memory.

c6GvSSGfMNU

[Shisen Kopf]

Lex Luger prob killed her

[KIRA]

Okay that last tweet she made just tore out my heart not even kidding

[KIRA]

As was the case with a lot of WWE superstars, she had a great first theme only to have the next one be way worse. I post the former here in tribute to her memory.

c6GvSSGfMNU

Vince too cheap to either buy the theme from Soundgarden or pay them to keep playing it and yeah that sounds absolutely perfect for her especially now considering what it's about

[screech]

Shelley Martinez just posted that it was suicide.

Update: she said that post did not come from her account.

[Droford]

Update: she said that post did not come from her account.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/17/ex-wwe-star-ashley-massaro-died-of-apparent-suicide-report/amp/

"My best friend from the wrestling business died from suicide two days after responding to 300+ fan letters,” pal Shelly Martinez said in a statement to The Blast. “She was the happiest I have seen her in years, so stoked that people still cared about her 11 years after her career was over. There are no signs. It comes without warning.”



If she didn't say that then she should have a word with someone at the NY Post

[Heisenberg]

RIP to this very special lady

[Evil Vito]

Thinking back to those mid-2000s Diva Searches.

Cringe as they may have been...Ashley, Layla, and Christy Hemme were all obvious winners from the second they were introduced because they stood out from the pack and offered something different from the rest of the competitors who were basically just "generic pretty girls".

Obviously a ton of them got hired anyway but it's not a surprise that the ones that actually stuck around were the ones that showed personality (Maria, Maryse).

[slik]

Read this, if true then YIKES


http://www.prowrestlingsheet.com/ashley-massaro-wwe-lawsuit-sexual-assault/#.XN6UcY5KhPY

[Droford]

Thought everyone knew about that

[xrodmuc316]

Thinking back to those mid-2000s Diva Searches.

Cringe as they may have been...Ashley, Layla, and Christy Hemme were all obvious winners from the second they were introduced because they stood out from the pack and offered something different from the rest of the competitors who were basically just "generic pretty girls".

Obviously a ton of them got hired anyway but it's not a surprise that the ones that actually stuck around were the ones that showed personality (Maria, Maryse).

You are forgetting the best winner, Eve Torres

[screech]

https://nypost.com/2019/05/17/ex-wwe-star-ashley-massaro-died-of-apparent-suicide-report/amp/



If she didn't say that then she should have a word with someone at the NY Post

They took that from the Facebook post that she says is from a fake account:

https://i.imgur.com/YCVAFfU.png

[Droford]

She should still have a talk with someone about it at the NY post

[GD]

All the details about being abused are very disturbing.

[KIRA]

Read this, if true then YIKES


http://www.prowrestlingsheet.com/ashley-massaro-wwe-lawsuit-sexual-assault/#.XN6UcY5KhPY

Yeah I remember hearing about this years ago once again I do not know why anybody would want to work for this company it's garbage

[Seanny One Ball]

All the details about being abused are very disturbing.


What details?

There was a vague, unsubstantiated allegation.

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently WWE is claiming that Ashley reached out to them last year pretty much to apologize for being involved in the class-action CTE lawsuit against the company.

The wording makes it seem like they are trying to absolve themselves of any possible blame for any issues that happened during her time there and any potential lingering effects that may or may not have played a role in her death.

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/report-wwe-claims-ashley-masarro-reached-out-october-last-year-make-amends

[DAMN iNATOR]

She should still have a talk with someone about it at the NY post

You've made the same joke twice.

[Seanny One Ball]

He's not joking, he's pointing to a lack of journalistic integrity and basic fact checking from a supposedly reputable news outlet.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I gathered that was the point he was trying to make bu also figured it probably was a maybe somewhat twisted attempt at humor.

[xrodmuc316]

Yeah I remember hearing about this years ago once again I do not know why anybody would want to work for this company it's garbage

Not that I condone it in the slightest, and WWE are scumbags for allowing her to be put in that position, but it's the same issue the armed forces haven't been able to do much about for years. While it's horrible, WWE shouldn't be held to a higher standard than the armed forces in that regard.

It sucks it happened to her on WWEs watch and that they didn't do more for her, but disgust should be attributed to the whole epidemic of that behavior being ignored because it happened "over there" instead of solely at WWE.

If that wasn't basically accepted behavior then both Ashley and WWE would have had the ability for much more recourse and justice.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Or both WWE and the armed forces can get a bit smarter and less hush-hush about the horrible things that do happen. Neither is held to an appropriate standard.

[xrodmuc316]

Or both WWE and the armed forces can get a bit smarter and less hush-hush about the horrible things that do happen. Neither is held to an appropriate standard.

100% agree.

[Seanny One Ball]

Why do you immediately believe the non specific allegation of sexual abuse just because she's dead?

[xrodmuc316]

Why do you immediately believe the non specific allegation of sexual abuse just because she's dead?

Why do you believe people only began believing this after she died?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Apparently WWE is claiming that Ashley reached out to them last year pretty much to apologize for being involved in the class-action CTE lawsuit against the company.

The wording makes it seem like they are trying to absolve themselves of any possible blame for any issues that happened during her time there and any potential lingering effects that may or may not have played a role in her death.

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/report-wwe-claims-ashley-masarro-reached-out-october-last-year-make-amends

lol always classy

[Seanny One Ball]

Why do you believe people only began believing this after she died?

Follow the thread and it's pretty obvious why

[My Final Heaven]

Somebody ask Paul London about his thoughts

[Mr. Nerfect]

Gross, Seanny.

[Frank Drebin]

Wonder how many people have beat off to her after hearing of her death.

[Seanny One Ball]

Gross, Seanny.

What's gross about questioning things? I read the report, it contains nothing that substantiates the claims it makes.

I'm not saying it didn't happen. I am saying that the most successful way of taking someone down in the media now is to dig up stories about sexual indiscretion or negligence of some sort.

The woman made the claims in 2016. Now you have to question the motivations of anyone pushing that as a contributing reason for her death. If there is actual evidence or anything that corroborates or substantiates the claim then that should lead the story...

[Frank Drebin]

I heard that Seanny is a pedo and that has caused me to have severe anxiety. Prove me wrong.

[Seanny One Ball]

Also how come nobody vilified the army in all of this... just WWE.

[Seanny One Ball]

I heard that Seanny is a pedo and that has caused me to have severe anxiety. Prove me wrong.


Somebody must have seen me pay those ring boys off

[xrodmuc316]

Also how come nobody vilified the army in all of this... just WWE.

That was my point all along.

[Droford]

Also how come nobody vilified the army in all of this... just WWE.

I'm srmed forces weekend and almost memorial day

[Droford]

Shes having her brain donated to science for cte research if you still believe NYPost which still has the sane article up that's supposed to be fake news

[Mr. Nerfect]

That was my point all along.

Exactly. And lots of other people's too. Seanny wants to be cool outlier, but he should probably have read some stuff first.

[Seanny One Ball]

You haven't explained why you don't require evidence to pass judgement.

[Blonde Moment]

You haven't explained why you don't require evidence to pass judgement.

Because that is how it's done in today's world. Court of public opinion.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Gross, Seanny.

You're such a fucking pussy

[Seanny One Ball]

He repped me for the post though.

Secretly in favour.

[#1-norm-fan]

Whether it happened or not, we should at least all be able to agree that WWE’s statement is scummy as fuck.

[Seanny One Ball]

Pre-prepared statements from billion dollar corporations usually are in a legal context.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He repped me for the post though.

Secretly in favour.

Meant to be neg rep, but went into autopilot since I don't normally give rep unless it is positive. It takes a special kind of wormy perspective to earn that sort of rancor.

Also, you check your rep? Lol, dweeb.

Whether it happened or not, we should at least all be able to agree that WWE’s statement is scummy as fuck.

:y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

You can probably just cut that down to "WWE is scummy as fuck."

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Mick Foley has been posting a lot about it lately. And honestly, given he's admitted to barely seeing or talking to her much at all, he comes off really creepy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mick Foley has come off really creepy about the women since the days of Melina.

[Seanny One Ball]

Noid you've hurt me worse than a tour of a Kuwaiti army base.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Very clever. I see what you did there. You took a dead woman's alleged claim of sexual assault and exploited it for the easiest joke you could make.

[Seanny One Ball]

Better than using her to virtue signal

[Mr. Nerfect]

Better than using her to virtue signal

Yeah, people who don't mock sexual assault allegations are virtue signaling. Imagine thinking that not being a cunt was worse than being a cunt.

[Seanny One Ball]

Our difference of opinion isn't over the mockery you numbskull. The mockery is a direct result of your behaviour and pertains to unsubstantiated allegations, not some dead wrestler who I've never even seen.

Know why I've never seen her? Because I like WWE less than you do. I just dislike them for demonstrable reasons rather than assumptions and my own inherent insecurity.

Call me a cunt when I go after a victim, not when I go after the dobbers that use the death for their own pathetic agenda.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People have to be as shit as me, right? It can't be that people are trying to be good for their own reasons. They must be doing it as some sort of performance ritual. It's a good thing I don't perform like that, right, guys? Gerty? Dale? That's why I try and act cool on the internet and call them out for it. Makes me feel better for not putting any effort into being the most basic form of decent person possible.

Ban Seanny. Fucking iniquity signalling, buzz-word using piece of shit.

Imagine thinking that trying to not be awful was a bad idea. Fucking gormless.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Call me a cunt when I go after a victim, not when I go after the dobbers that use the death for their own pathetic agenda.

Noid you've hurt me worse than a tour of a Kuwaiti army base.

Cunt

[Seanny One Ball]

You're inexplicably accepting the allegations without so much as one piece of credence lending evidence behind it.

So you are shit. You're really fucking shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Our difference of opinion isn't over the mockery you numbskull. The mockery is a direct result of your behaviour and pertains to unsubstantiated allegations, not some dead wrestler who I've never even seen.

You don't get to decide what my difference of opinion is. Stop being a coward and trying to shift why I'm calling you out. I'm not talking about the substantiation of the claims. That is all you trying to retain a glimmer of dignity. I've never once engaged on that front. It is absolutely over the mockery.

It doesn't make you cool, Seanny. It doesn't make you edgy. You're not funny. You're not smart for stroking your chin and saying "Maybe the dead girl wasn't raped...did you ever think of that?" Want a fucking cookie? We're not in a court of law, and a fucking dude wasn't even named. The discussion has covered the attitudes around it. And frankly, yours sucks.

Know why I've never seen her? Because I like WWE less than you do. I just dislike them for demonstrable reasons rather than assumptions and my own inherent insecurity.

Lol, my insecurity? Go check your rep again and brag about how you don't like WWE more than me again. I don't know why you are bringing up whether or not you've seen her before as if it were pertinent to the conversation. I'd strongly suggest that is you fizzling out because your insecurity is flaring up.

[Seanny One Ball]

Did you just equate the search for truth and justice to mockery?

OK we're done here. I nearly lost it when you said you had to try to be decent earlier and that somehow the only respectful thing is immediate and undying belief in the accuser once they die but that right there is the cherry.

[Seanny One Ball]

I just had to know why everyone thinks you're a completely useless fucking shit-brain.

I know now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You're inexplicably accepting the allegations without so much as one piece of credence lending evidence behind it.

So you are shit. You're really fucking shit.

No I'm not. I literally haven't said whether or not I believe her. You're making that up because it makes you feel good to go around acting superior to people. Probably because you need to try and cut down people to feel taller.

I will say this: I think it's scummy that someone would go out of their way to try and discredit her when someone else's integrity isn't even at stake. Did she even try to press charges against someone? Why are you treating it like he said/she said when there isn't even a he said? That's a lot of effort to go to in order to offset someone saying something bad happened to them.

[Seanny One Ball]

Noid you are a Stalinist

[Mr. Nerfect]

"Just wanted to let you know something bad happened to me."
"Do you have any evidence?"

The search for truth and justice, ladies and gentlemen. You're not a court, Seanny. With your sexual assault material, you're not even a court jester. I say "your" material because I'm sure some posters here could actually pull off the off-color stuff. Do you serve any purpose?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nah, I'm pretty low on Stalin. I kind of lump him in with bad sexual assault jokes. It's in the "things I don't like" bracket.

[Seanny One Ball]

"Just wanted to let you know something bad happened to me."
"Do you have any evidence?"




I mean this is standard when pushing forward with any legal proceeding, even a piece of accusatory paper.

Are you an idiot?

[Seanny One Ball]

If you can't keep track of your bullshit then backtrack all you like.

"I don't even know if I believe her"

Fanny

[Mr. Nerfect]

I mean this is standard when pushing forward with any legal proceeding, even a piece of accusatory paper.

Are you an idiot?

I repeat: You are not a court, Seanny. I can also tell you are not smart enough to work in the legal profession.

No one was even talking about whether or not it happened. That was entirely you. Talking about how the WWE and the military handles things and the actuality of an occurrence are not synonymous.

Are you an idiot?

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you can't keep track of your bullshit then backtrack all you like.

"I don't even know if I believe her"

Fanny

I didn't say I don't even know if I believe her. Quote properly if you're on the quest for truth and justice. Which, you know...definitely isn't virtue signaling.

I said I didn't say whether I believe her or not. That's an entirely different thing. Try and keep track of your bullshit there, Seanny.

[Seanny One Ball]

She filed a fucking court affidavit Noid, it's on page 1.

I don't have to work in law to read a report in a fucking article.

[Seanny One Ball]

Noid just moonwalk your dumb ass back out of here

[Seanny One Ball]

The stupidest load of shite I have ever read.

Incomprehensible flip flopping.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you can't keep track of your bullshit then backtrack all you like


Call me a cunt when I go after a victim

Noid you've hurt me worse than a tour of a Kuwaiti army base.

Cunt

[Seanny One Ball]

Aye but for better reasons than that.

I wish I could gift you some IQ to keep myself entertained like that "In Time" film with Justin Timberlake. I'm just not prepared to starve my brain of oxygen to get on your level right now though.

So...

I think that's it for today.

[Fignuts]

lol good times

[Mr. Nerfect]

She filed a fucking court affidavit Noid, it's on page 1.

I don't have to work in law to read a report in a fucking article.

I honestly didn't read the article because, mind the virtue signaling here, I'm not actually invested in this case. Apparently less so than you. Who's cool now?

It's a shame she didn't have the evidence to back up her claims if the incident did happen. It's a shame that sexual assault doesn't often come with much evidence. It's also a shame that the military and WWE are so fucked about this.

None of that goes against my point that it's your off-key mocking and accusations that people are believing her without any evidence, like everyone's stance on sexual assault should be incredulity, which actually aren't supported with any evidence supporting them in their own right.

The stupidest load of shite I have ever read.

Incomprehensible flip flopping.

If you say it's flip-flopping then it must be the case, Seanny. ;)

[Mr. Nerfect]

Aye but for better reasons than that.

I wish I could gift you some IQ to keep myself entertained like that "In Time" film with Justin Timberlake. I'm just not prepared to starve my brain of oxygen to get on your level right now though.

So...

I think that's it for today.

IQ is a pretty antiquated way of measuring intelligence in 2019. Smart people know that. You should probably hold onto whatever IQ points you have so you can trade them for something valuable in the 60's, where your ethics would fit right in.

I'm sure the irony of suggesting superior intelligence while claiming to be entertained by a Justin Timberlake movie was unintentional, so I will point it out.

Good jab. Starving your brain of oxygen makes you stupid, so if I starved my brain of oxygen, I would be stupid...LIKE YOU!

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol good times

:lol:

I hope you were genuinely entertained and that wasn't sarcastic.

[Seanny One Ball]

lol good times

I was warned but I had to see for myself.

[BigCrippyZ]

You haven't explained why you don't require evidence to pass judgement.

You do know that claims by accusers are actually evidence right?

Circumstantial, and not physical evidence, but still, evidence. Even usually admissible in a court of law unless it amounts to hearsay.

[Seanny One Ball]

Did you want me to split hairs for you?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, BigCrippyZ is actually a lawyer, Seanny.

[Seanny One Ball]

Then he knows the difference between one type of evidence and another then. Good. Why's he asking me to split hairs?

[Seanny One Ball]

Noid raped Ashley Massaro

I submit this as evidence.

[Seanny One Ball]

Oh shit, looks like we have a suspect now.

'cause evidence

[GD]

Jesus, Seanny :nono:

[Seanny One Ball]

BigCrippy is insufficient

[Seanny One Ball]

Jesus, Seanny :nono:

Somebody has to stand up for the billion dollar corporations, Dave.
The army needs it's own defender.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You are a sad piece of work, Seanny. Your points don’t even make sense. BCZ is ten times more sufficient than you, and that’s even when he decides he doesn’t want to show up.

[Seanny One Ball]

You must be the most reactionary person on TPWW.

Quite a feat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You must be the most reactionary person on TPWW.

Quite a feat.

You're inexplicably accepting the allegations without so much as one piece of credence lending evidence behind it.

So you are shit. You're really fucking shit.

[Seanny One Ball]

This is like those women that slap a guy ten times and when he finally raises his arm to defend himself they hurl themselves to the floor like he just hit them.

You picked the right thread to do it in, Noid.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Dang, this thread about a dead girl took a dark turn.

[Splaya]

This entire fourth page could be put in the Spazz out thread

[Evil Vito]

Suicide has now been confirmed, reportedly she was found having hung herself.

Absolutely horrible way to go. I can't imagine the type of suffering anyone must be feeling to go through that. :(

[GD]

Oh man :(

[Splaya]

Suicide has now been confirmed, reportedly she was found having hung herself.

Absolutely horrible way to go. I can't imagine the type of suffering anyone must be feeling to go through that. :(

Oh my god. I can't imagine what she was going through that would force her to end her life that way.

[rockman725]

True story: A girl I went to school with (a year younger than me), living down the street in the same neighborhood, hung herself outside of her bedroom window in what I think was her senior year of high school (maybe the year after, I had already graduated by then). Her younger brother came home from school that day and found her hanging. Her parents were at work. When we were in grade school, she was always nice to me. I guess maybe I even a bit of a crush on her too. Once she got to high school, she got mixed up in drugs. Heavy heavy stuff. It was always said that drug dependency played a major role in what happened.

I don't know Ashley. I don't know if she was an addict at any point in her life. I can only speculate based on what I remember of seeing her years ago, that it is a possibility. I've seen too many people screw up from drugs. Some are alive and barely hanging on at times. Some have left our world. I hope this isn't the case, but it'd be a damn shame if drugs took yet another life.

[Shisen Kopf]

I always thought it would be cool to hang out with her but not like that

[DAMN iNATOR]

Might explain why I felt left without words...call me crazy but I think something inside me feared something like this as the cause even if I had no Idea what specifically when the news broke.

I can also kind of understand why WWE didn't do more than just a in memory screen for her if (and that's a decent sized if) they knew before the public, although they probably could've used it as a way to direct people who are thinking of or know someone who is thinking of ending their life to a help hotline/website/whatever other resources.

[XL]

True story: A girl I went to school with (a year younger than me), living down the street in the same neighborhood, hung herself outside of her bedroom window in what I think was her senior year of high school (maybe the year after, I had already graduated by then). Her younger brother came home from school that day and found her hanging. Her parents were at work. When we were in grade school, she was always nice to me. I guess maybe I even a bit of a crush on her too. Once she got to high school, she got mixed up in drugs. Heavy heavy stuff. It was always said that drug dependency played a major role in what happened.

I don't know Ashley. I don't know if she was an addict at any point in her life. I can only speculate based on what I remember of seeing her years ago, that it is a possibility. I've seen too many people screw up from drugs. Some are alive and barely hanging on at times. Some have left our world. I hope this isn't the case, but it'd be a damn shame if drugs took yet another life.

It’s referenced in court documents that she used the WWE’s former worker drug outreach rehab in 2010. :(

[Destor]

You do know that claims by accusers are actually evidence right?

Circumstantial, and not physical evidence, but still, evidence. Even usually admissible in a court of law unless it amounts to hearsay.
uncorroborated claims by the plaintiff is worthless in court. If the entire case is a single unsubstantiated claim (which is what we have here) you will lose everytime. If you were to repeat her claim you yourself would be divulging hearsay. Now...lets say for example... if you have something that supports the testimony...even the smallest thing... literally any evidence whatsoever... now you have something.



this is why people call bullshit on your lawyerness. I dont ftr, but youre devils advocating something thats blantantly a misnomer. The claim is closer to slander than it is evidence.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Witness testimony is still a form of evidence though. They get supported by other evidence. Besides, none of that is even the point. Seanny made that up because he's a scumlord, lol.

[Big Vic]

Might explain why I felt left without words...call me crazy but I think something inside me feared something like this as the cause even if I had no Idea what specifically when the news broke.

I can also kind of understand why WWE didn't do more than just a in memory screen for her if (and that's a decent sized if) they knew before the public, although they probably could've used it as a way to direct people who are thinking of or know someone who is thinking of ending their life to a help hotline/website/whatever other resources.

Yeah they only save those for people who got away with murder.

[Seanny One Ball]

Witness testimony is still a form of evidence though. They get supported by other evidence. Besides, none of that is even the point. Seanny made that up because he's a scumlord, lol.


You called me a cunt repeatedly just for questioning the report.
You did not read the report.
So here we are.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I had an email conversation with Ashley Massaro’s attorney, Konstantine Kyros, this evening. Story coming this week on <a href="https://twitter.com/ProSportsExtra?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ProSportsExtra</a>, which will include information from Konstantine, the affidavit and Ashley’s original email to Konstantine seeking representation. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a></p>&mdash; Brad Shepard (@TheBradShepard) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBradShepard/status/1131025163573764096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Destor]

And hopefully when we hear that we will have something more substantial.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You called me a cunt repeatedly just for questioning the report.
You did not read the report.
So here we are.

Call me a cunt when I go after a victim

Noid you've hurt me worse than a tour of a Kuwaiti army base.

The report has got nothing to do with anything. No one was even talking about it. Stop shifting goalposts just because you’re desperate to fit in. The closest anyone came was saying that WWE’s handling sounds crappy.

I didn’t know she had accused someone. I wish she had more evidence if it did happen. That’s not relevant to why you’re being criticized though. Stop trying to pander for sympathy.

You thought it was cool to mock alleged victims of sexual assault. You thought you’d look smart playing contrarian. Neither happened and now your insecure nature and need to be accepted by the cool kids is making you squirm to grab onto anything resembling a point.

Cunt.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And hopefully when we hear that we will have something more substantial.

Not taking one side or the other here - but I do wonder Destor... what happens if a close girl friend of yours tells you somebody raped her a week after it happened? She didn't get a rape kit done because understandably, she was traumatized and in denial. All she has is her word - no physical evidence. What do you say to her?

[Frank Drebin]

"Cunt"

[Bad News Gertner]

Everyone behave!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I believe the convo would go something like this:

Girl: Destor, I was raped

Destor: Ackshyually, you were allegedly raped.

[Destor]

Not taking one side or the other here - but I do wonder Destor... what happens if a close girl friend of yours tells you somebody raped her a week after it happened? She didn't get a rape kit done because understandably, she was traumatized and in denial. All she has is her word - no physical evidence. What do you say to her?

I go get a pitch fork and burn the guys house down with no evidence because I'm a good white knight and I believe all women

[BigCrippyZ]

uncorroborated claims by the plaintiff is worthless in court. If the entire case is a single unsubstantiated claim (which is what we have here) you will lose everytime. If you were to repeat her claim you yourself would be divulging hearsay. Now...lets say for example... if you have something that supports the testimony...even the smallest thing... literally any evidence whatsoever... now you have something.



this is why people call bullshit on your lawyerness. I dont ftr, but youre devils advocating something thats blantantly a misnomer. The claim is closer to slander than it is evidence.

Slander is a spoken false statement of fact about a party that harms the party's reputation. Evidence is anything tending or used to establish facts in a legal investigation or admissible as testimony in court, including information given personally. Evidence can also be slander or (at least) false. The trier of fact is the one to decide the truthfulness of a party's statement and/or weigh it accordingly.

I don't know if her claims are true. I never said her statement was true, but it is by definition, evidence. Seanny said it wasn't evidence. That's not an accurate statement.

I wasn't commenting on the truthfulness of her statement or how much weight it should be given, merely that it is a form of evidence.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I go get a pitch fork and burn the guys house down with no evidence because I'm a good white knight and I believe all women

lol never change. I'll always appreciate your lack of nuance on the matter.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Slander is a spoken false statement of fact about a party that harms the party's reputation. Evidence is anything tending or used to establish facts in a legal investigation or admissible as testimony in court, including information given personally. Evidence can also be slander or (at least) false. The trier of fact is the one to decide the truthfulness of a party's statement and/or weigh it accordingly.

I don't know if her claims are true. I never said her statement was true, but it is by definition, evidence. Seanny said it wasn't evidence. That's not an accurate statement.

I wasn't commenting on the truthfulness of her statement or how much weight it should be given, merely that it is a form of evidence.

:y:

[Seanny One Ball]

I didn't actually say her statement wasn't evidence. I did accidentally imply it however.

I said how come people believe her without seeing any evidence, which Noid - by his own admission - had not done as he hadn't read the report. He was too hysterical, ready to attack any perceived slight on someone he doesn't know's honour.

But in all honesty I said numerous synonyms of "proof" and people chose to jump straight to hair splitting over a semantic slip which anyone should be able to see as such.
There is literally no upshot to making that unnecessary correction as my point was obvious and otherwise clear. The only reason for anyone besides a pedant to draw that distinction is to show your hand, which Noid did via neg rep several times no matter what he says about his beliefs.

So yes a statement can be considered evidence but until it has been substantiated it is no form of proof.

If anyone really wanted to drag this shit out they should go for the "In reality proof only exists in science and mathematics".

Then we can argue for a whole week.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

that's not a shot at Seanny. It's just this whole thread lol

[Seanny One Ball]

Pussy!

[GD]

I’m glad her friends are stepping up and starting a GoFundMe campaign for her daughter.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Cunt is a much more thrown about word in England/Australia than it is in America.

[Fignuts]

Not taking one side or the other here - but I do wonder Destor... what happens if a close girl friend of yours tells you somebody raped her a week after it happened? She didn't get a rape kit done because understandably, she was traumatized and in denial. All she has is her word - no physical evidence. What do you say to her?

Conversely, let’s not pretend that if one of our friends got accused of rape that we would just assume that person was guilty.

The truth is that unless you’re a stone cold son of a bitch, if someone you’re close to claims they were raped or is accused of raping someone, then you’re too close to the situation to be an accurate unbiased judge of the circumstances.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Conversely, let’s not pretend that if one of our friends got accused of rape that we would just assume that person was guilty.

The truth is that unless you’re a stone cold son of a bitch, if someone you’re close to claims they were raped or is accused of raping someone, then you’re too close to the situation to be an accurate unbiased judge of the circumstances.

No doubt. But I was simply trying to illustrate how I found Destor's lack of empathy slightly disturbing. I'm very much about due process but he seems to resent accusers as a knee jerk reaction.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

No doubt. But I was simply trying to illustrate how I found Destor's lack of empathy slightly disturbing. I'm very much about due process but he seems to resent accusers as a knee jerk reaction.

this isn't just a reaction to the goings-on of this thread - it's his body of work I'm taking into account.

[Fignuts]

I don't think Destor resents accusers, but rather today's witch hunt culture where an accusation alone can ruin someon'e life due to tens of thousands of people being outraged without doing any research at all.

Maybe that rubs off a bit when he disscusses an accuser, but I don't think it's intentional.

[Jordan]

JBL did the rape didn't he?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I don't think Destor resents accusers, but rather today's witch hunt culture where an accusation alone can ruin someon'e life due to tens of thousands of people being outraged without doing any research at all.

Maybe that rubs off a bit when he disscusses an accuser, but I don't think it's intentional.

I totally get that. But this is why I call for nuance in these discussions. The second I called him out to try to be a bit less of an ass, he goes immediately to the 'white knight' crutch. For the record, I think Noid has been a giant assclown (as usual) in this thread. "Believe all women" is a dangerous notion. Due process is important.

But rape, I'm pretty sure, can be quite hard to prove and usually turns into he-said-she-said. It's a very fucked up thing.

I've also had several discussions with him about this, and he has pretty much 0 empathy or sympathy for 'alleged' victims... or has at least displayed this. He expects them to essentially have the mentality of attornies at law and to have stone cold evidence - which again, I'm quite sure is very difficult to provide barring doing an immediate rape kit. I would imagine the shock of being raped would make it quite tough to think clearly enough to start mounting corroborating evidence right away and just go to the hospital.

The problem with libertarians like Destor, is they try 'logic' you to death and think they're very smart because they read a few books. But they tend to discount being decent human beings and having some fucking tact.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And I really like Destor tbh. He may think otherwise because I don't kiss his ass. But I'm not gonna hold back from how I feel because I 'want to fit in.'

[Sepholio]

Downsy Vulcans.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I didn't actually say her statement wasn't evidence. I did accidentally imply it however.

I said how come people believe her without seeing any evidence, which Noid - by his own admission - had not done as he hadn't read the report. He was too hysterical, ready to attack any perceived slight on someone he doesn't know's honour.

But in all honesty I said numerous synonyms of "proof" and people chose to jump straight to hair splitting over a semantic slip which anyone should be able to see as such.
There is literally no upshot to making that unnecessary correction as my point was obvious and otherwise clear. The only reason for anyone besides a pedant to draw that distinction is to show your hand, which Noid did via neg rep several times no matter what he says about his beliefs.

So yes a statement can be considered evidence but until it has been substantiated it is no form of proof.

If anyone really wanted to drag this shit out they should go for the "In reality proof only exists in science and mathematics".

Then we can argue for a whole week.

You’re a dishonest knob. You took a cunty stance and got shredded for it. We were talking about WWE’s handling of the alleged issues, and you can in all “well, sometimes men don’t rape” like a fucking idiot. Fuck you and anyone like you.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You’re a dishonest knob. You took a cunty stance and got shredded for it. We were talking about WWE’s handling of the alleged issues, and you can in all “well, sometimes men don’t rape” like a fucking idiot. Fuck you and anyone like you.

lol you are absolutely ween-tastic

[Seanny One Ball]

Imagine thinking that not being a cunt was worse than being a cunt .

Cunt

Cunt


Cunt.

You're a dishonest knob

Incredible

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’s because you are a cunt, Seanny. And every time I demonstrated why. You’ve tried to divorce yourself from that reasoning, but I will remind you every time until you apologize for misrepresenting the views of others to try and look cool and for mocking alleged victims like you said you would never do, but did.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Lol omg

[Seanny One Ball]

You stupib idot now I am a noid

[Frank Drebin]

And I really like Destor tbh. He may think otherwise because I don't kiss his ass. But I'm not gonna hold back from how I feel because I 'want to fit in.'

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[Sepholio]

I can accurately describe this entire thread in a post using only 2 letters.

[Sepholio]

RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Evil Vito]

What the fuck has happened here

[Frank Drebin]

We are all fitting in nicely.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What the fuck has happened here

Why do you immediately believe the non specific allegation of sexual abuse just because she's dead?

Or both WWE and the armed forces can get a bit smarter and less hush-hush about the horrible things that do happen. Neither is held to an appropriate standard.

100% agree.

Also how come nobody vilified the army in all of this... just WWE.

Call me a cunt when I go after a victim, not when I go after the dobbers that use the death for their own pathetic agenda.


Noid you've hurt me worse than a tour of a Kuwaiti army base.

[Seanny One Ball]

Relax Noid

You'll blow a gasket. Pete Gasket

[Seanny One Ball]

I'll blow Joey Abs

[Seanny One Ball]

Don't quote that out of context.

[#1-norm-fan]

Let’s just all agree that Seanny is a cunt and move along here.

[Blue Demon]

Is "Seanny is a cunt" the new "Kane Knight is a bitch?"

[Bad News Gertner]

Can't wait for Kane Knight to come back in 5 years

[Seanny One Ball]

Let’s just all agree that Seanny is a cunt and move along here.


Oh fuck off

[#1-norm-fan]

See

[Seanny One Ball]

Right, you can blow Rodney

[Volare]

....semi reminder of why this was made....

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[Bad News Gertner]

Ashley Massaro of all people gets a 5 page death thread

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Wait....how old is her daughter?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Ashley Massaro of all people gets a 5 page death thread

Pedro Morales is turning in his grave

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

IMO Sal Bellomo's death should have reached at least 7 pages.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Ashley Massaro of all people gets a 5 page death thread

Really only 2 pages are about her death. The rest are about The Troops. USA #1 🇺🇸

[Destor]

Fignuts gets it

[Frank Drebin]

Inno knows

[Fignuts]

Bo Knows

[Frank Drebin]

LORD PALMERSTON!!!

[Big Vic]

Noid believes accusations 100%, all the time, see the Enzo Amore thread.

[Destor]

An accusation is as good as a video of admission of guilt. Everyone knows that.

[Big Vic]

Consensual Penis

[Innovator]

Inno knows

HUH?!

[Luigi]

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RIP.


It's truly heartbreaking that a woman at such a young age has passed and leaves behind a young daughter. I hope that people can learn from Ashley Massaro's story and reach out to others when they are feeling sad and depressed. Kudos to some of the WWE women alumni that set up a fund to help out Ashley's daughter. You can't teach that type of character and leadership.

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[Luigi]

All the details about being abused are very disturbing.



Indeed. It really does make me sick to my stomach reading about this. If all of these details turn out to be true, this might be the straw that breaks the camel's back for me, in terms of giving up on the WWE and supporting a new brand (like AEW).

[DAMN iNATOR]

Wait....how old is her daughter?

Will be 19 towards the end of next month (thanks, Wikipedia!)

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Will be 19 towards the end of next month (thanks, Wikipedia!)

What a fucking bummer for that poor girl. Can't even imagine trying to navigate life at 19 without a parent's guidance