WWE: Saudi Blood Money IV

[GD]

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"Falls Count Anywhere" Match for the Universal Championship
Universal Champion Seth Rollins versus "The Fiend" Bray Wyatt

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WWE Championship Match
Brock Lesnar (w/ Paul Heyman) versus Cain Velasquez

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Braun Strowman versus Tyson Fury

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Team Hogan versus Team Flair (5-on-5 Tag Team Match)
Roman Reigns, Rusev, Ricochet, <strike>Chad Gable</strike>, and Ali versus Randy Orton, King Corbin, Bobby Lashley, Intercontinental Champion Shinsuke Nakamura, and Drew McIntyre.

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Mansoor versus Cesaro

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"The largest Tag Team Turmoil Match in history to determine World Cup winner and crown the Best Tag Team in the World"

The O.C. versus Smackdown Tag Team Champions The Revival versus Zack Ryder & Curt Hawkins versus Lucha House Party versus Robert Roode & Dolph Ziggler versus RAW Tag Team Champions The Viking Raiders versus The New Day versus Heavy Machinery versus The B-Team

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Natalya versus Lacey Evans

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20-Man Battle Royal (Kickoff Match - Winner Faces AJ Styles for the United States Championship)

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[GD]

Can't wait for Survivor Series, the only time of the year where RAW and Smackdown go "head to head".

[JimmyMess]

I haven't followed the show in a long time, why is chad gable's name crossed out?

Also, who is Chad Gable?

[Sepholio]

Yeah is he out of the match or is it some storyline thing? Or is just acknowledging that Chad Gable was abducted and replaced by a pod person named Shorty G?

[GD]

I refuse to call him that :o

[BigCrippyZ]

Shouldn't the tag team championships crown the best tag team in the world?

[xrodmuc316]

I am most interested in if there will be any incidents with the women's match.

[Evil Vito]

Hope the show sucks.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Guess who does business with the KSA too...?

KHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GD]

Received a neg rep from Slicky with the comment "AEW takes the blood money too."

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They do.

[GD]

They do.

Okay. What was the neg rep for?

[Emperor Smeat]

Only match I'm somewhat interested in seeing is the Universal title match but mainly to see if WWE manages to screw things up again and how badly if they do.

Rollins probably going to complain again if even the Saudi fans are mean to him.

[GD]

Only match I'm somewhat interested in seeing is the Universal title match but mainly to see if WWE manages to screw things up again and how badly if they do.

Rollins probably going to complain again if even the Saudi fans are mean to him.

The rumors have certainly peaked my interest in that match.

[Big Vic]

When does this start?

[Droford]

When does this start?

45 minutes from now

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Crowd chants for Harper

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Humberto wins da battle royal

[Evil Vito]

LOL did they really spend millions on Cain just to job him out in 2 minutes in his debut? :lol:

[Big Vic]

First time watching wrestling in like a month....

First match was ok.
This next match has a dumb format.

[Jordan]

Cain and Brock was good. Short, but realistic, hard hitting and a smart finish. The post match angle was really good and totally built up a future showdown between the two and also Rey and Brock. Curious to see if they do a team Lesnar vs Team Cain match at Survivor Series leading to another championship battle or if they just go to another championship match right away. I'd milk it.

BTW this is my last day subscribed to the network and I'm off work so I'm watching most of the show.

[Jordan]

Also the first WWE I've watched since Hell in a Cell.

[Jordan]

Saudi crowd is obviously becoming more accustom to WWE. Feels much less awkward than it did on the first couple of Saudi shows.

[#1-norm-fan]

Saudi crowd is obviously becoming more accustom to WWE. Feels much less awkward than it did on the first couple of Saudi shows.

So the entire front 4 rows on the camera side don’t have their backs turned away from the ring? That was the lasting memory I had from the first show.

[#1-norm-fan]

Just watched Brock vs Cain. I liked it. Also, chair shot to the head by Rey! Someone’s getting fined.

[Jordan]

Just watched Brock vs Cain. I liked it. Also, chair shot to the head by Rey! Someone’s getting fined.

That was totally on Brock! he turned into it.

[Jordan]

Tons of kids at the show.

[Big Vic]

What was the point of [90% of WWE decisions]

[Big Vic]

Stop being a wienie Guru Dave

[GD]

Stop being a wienie Guru Dave

I think I've repeated my issue with the consistency of the brand split, one time too many.

[GD]

What the actual fuck? They had The Viking Raiders lose :eek:

[Savio]

Antonio "But my cuffs are bone dry!" Cesaro

[GD]

Damn, it's that time of the year.

[GD]

Cesaro's new wardrobe is an eyesore.

[Big Vic]

Every damn wrestler sounds the same

[Evil Vito]

"What an upset!"

See you in six months, Mansoor.

[Gerard]

Many Dune Coons in attendence? Usually these shows look 3/4 empty.

[Sepholio]

can not believe that finish -_-

[Sepholio]

Awful

[Savio]

Eatin finishers like they are nothing

[Sepholio]

So glad my sub ends in like 9 hours.

[Sepholio]

Hey guys what time does AEW come on?

[GD]

Hey Seph, did you know?

Guess who does business with the KSA too...?

KHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sepholio]

Do you feel some sudden reason to point out Khan does business with Saudi? Like....what does that have to do with WWE being shit and AEW being way more entertaining right now?

[GD]

Do you feel some sudden reason to point out Khan does business with Saudi? Like....what does that have to do with WWE being shit and AEW being way more entertaining right now?

My sentiment likewise

Received a neg rep from Slicky with the comment "AEW takes the blood money too."

[Sepholio]

Ah....well, typical STD.

[Sepholio]

Feel like maybe Humberto should have went over if only to build him. I think he has a lot of potential as a upper midcard face who main events from time to time.

[GD]

Poor Byron.

[GD]

"Beautiful Byron" :lol:

[GD]

Crowding popping huge for Nattie.

[Savio]

Wonder what would happen if a titty accidentally falls out

[GD]

None of the matches on tonight's card are brand specific.

[GD]

Jesus, enough with the fucking pyro :lol:

[GD]

Lacey not doing her usual entrance feels a bit odd.

[Savio]

This should be a titty honking match.

[GD]

horny

[Savio]

Pretty cool at the "This is awesome" chant.

[Sepholio]

I am very happy with the way the crowd is reacting. This is awesome chants. I was worried this match might not be received very well. Glad to see that, at least on the surface, I was wrong about that.

[GD]

Lacey is a proud mama...

[GD]

Did they just crop out the bodies of the women for the 6-woman tag team match?

[GD]

Holy shit! Lana has arrived :eek:

[GD]

...and Lana has left.

[Emperor Smeat]

Just tuned in, how has the show been soo far?

[GD]

Just tuned in, how has the show been soo far?

Crowd is really into (almost) everything. The women wrestled in full black bodysuits and oversized t-shirts. They received a good reaction.

[#1-norm-fan]

I am very happy with the way the crowd is reacting. This is awesome chants. I was worried this match might not be received very well. Glad to see that, at least on the surface, I was wrong about that.

They only find it awesome because this is the hottest thing they’ve ever seen and they’re furiously masturbating right now.

So yeah. I’m also happy for them.

[Big Vic]

Yeah it's been fine so far. Tag Turmoil was long and boring tho.

[GD]

Surprised to see the reaction for Ali. Saudis aren't particularly fond of South Asians.

[#1-norm-fan]

Crowd is really into (almost) everything. The women wrestled full black bodysuits and oversized t-shirts. They received a good reaction.

Well now wait... we’re they chanting for the women or the bodysuits? Because two “vacants” wrestling each other would definitely get a “this is awesome” chant, too.

[Emperor Smeat]

Crowd is really into (almost) everything. The women wrestled full black bodysuits and oversized t-shirts. They received a good reaction.
Was the match any good considering how dull their previous matches were together?


Yeah it's been fine so far. Tag Turmoil was long and boring tho.
Guess that's a lot better than the last Saudi event which was pretty boring overall.

[Savio]

So what happened with Rusev sleeping with Maria? Is that why Lana left him?

[GD]

Was the match any good considering how dull their previous matches were together?


It was basic at best. Lots of pyro and the crowd were really behind them, even chanted "this is awesome" at one point.

[GD]

So what happened with Rusev sleeping with Maria? Is that why Lana left him?

Maria revealed that Rusev was not the father.

Lana's reasoning for being with Lashley was that Rusev was a sex addict and wanted her to make machka brats, while derailing her modeling career. Also, sending money to his family in Bulgaria and not allowing her to spend money.

[GD]

And that Bob Lashley told her that he was cheating.

[Evil Vito]

Why didn't they call this Allahween Havoc?

[#1-norm-fan]

It’s funny that WWE had the chance to do Hogan vs Flair as a WrestleMania main event and passed. And now almost 30 years later they’re using them for much needed starpower in 2019’s “WrestleMania”.

[Emperor Smeat]

Not sure if that was a botched RKO to Ali or Ricochet missed his cue to stop it.

Ending was a bit of a mess but that 10-man tag match was pretty good overall.

[Big Vic]

lol at team hogan not being allowed to share the ring with Reigns

[Big Vic]

Maria revealed that Rusev was not the father.

Lana's reasoning for being with Lashley was that Rusev was a sex addict and wanted her to make machka brats, while derailing her modeling career. Also, sending money to his family in Bulgaria and not allowing her to spend money.

Do they still acknowledge Rusev cheated on her with Maria?

[Emperor Smeat]

Going to assume nobody in WWE bothered to realize after all this time that the stip for the Universal title match still makes no sense.

[#1-norm-fan]

As someone who loves the fuck out of Bray Wyatt, should I watch this match or will it just make me sad?

Also, Michael Cole just said this match cannot be stopped for any reason. So this is just the rest of our lives, I suppose? BUCKLE UP!

[Sepholio]

Just gonna throw this out there while I'm thinking about it...but the set design for Blood Money 4 is honestly one of my favorites I can remember. Very sleek and clean looking. Kinda wish they used they screen/set for TV shows.

[Sepholio]

As someone who loves the fuck out of Bray Wyatt, should I watch this match or will it just make me sad?

Also, Michael Cole just said this match cannot be stopped for any reason. So this is just the rest of our lives, I suppose? BUCKLE UP!

Its gonna make us sad but we have to watch to support him :(

[Big Vic]

is Bray carrying Jamal Khashoggi?

[Sepholio]

This entrance is surreal

[Sepholio]

is Bray carrying Jamal Khashoggi?

FUCKING SAVAGE OVERLOAD

[Sepholio]

another red light match!?

[#1-norm-fan]

I don’t love the kids’ music nowadays but this “Broken Out in Love” remix works.

[Big Vic]

legit feel bad for making that joke :(

[#1-norm-fan]

Bray should squash this dipshit Brock vs Kofi- style. Build to Brock vs Bray at WrestleMania and then just shut the company down. Fuck it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Just turned this on at work. Dark red light at night in a falls count anywhere match seems like you’re just asking for someone to trip and fall.

[Big Vic]

Red light for the entire match is dumb.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Red light plus wwe camera shakes is pretty tough on the old eyeballs here folks

[#1-norm-fan]

There’s an awesome monster dichotomy that makes me giddy at the thought of a properly protected Bray vs Brock.

[Big Vic]

My goodness the announcers suck, Bray just got hit in the face twice with a sledge hammer to no effect and they barely care.

[#1-norm-fan]

I didn’t see the HIAC match. Only the clips in the hype video. And Seth’s scared reaction to Bray’s kick outs are already overdone.

[#1-norm-fan]

This match needs to end. Unless Bray just takes advantage of the “no stoppage for any reason” rule and just murders Rollins for the next 20 minutes before pinning him.

[Emperor Smeat]

This red light stuff would be way more effective if it was done as a spooky power Bray can do mid-match to signal things are about to get more serious or brutal than the way WWE has done it.

[GD]

Rollins sort of no selling Sister Abigail.

[#1-norm-fan]

Seth Rollins’ iron will is certainly what I tuned in for.

[Big Vic]

Kinda hope this match ends with ref stoppage too for the luls

[GD]

This feud has totally discredited Rollins' stomp maneuver.

[GD]

This is just painful to watch.

[Sepholio]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS QUEEN

[Emperor Smeat]

That Universal title match managed to be even worse and more dull than the one at the Cell earlier this month.

At least Rollins garbage reign is over.

Also the match ended which means WWE lied about the stip.

[GD]

Holy shit! Bray Wyatt is now a 2-time world champion in the WWE.

[GD]

So Monday Night RAW is left without a world champion. Both the WWE and Universal Champions are now on Friday Night Smackdown.

[Sepholio]

Yeah I was just coming here to mention that. RAW has no title now.

[DAMN iNATOR]

So, Brock getting traded back to RAW? No way SD is going to be allowed to <strike>have</strike> keep both world titles.

[Gerard]

Good to see wwe took complaints about the red lighting being the shits onboard. :roll:

[Sepholio]

AJ Styles now the de facto champion of RAW though and I can get behind that.

[Sepholio]

Guess we get to see what those "future draft considerations" were maybe.

[#1-norm-fan]

Can’t even remember the last time two legit rasslin’ main eventers held world titles. Probably gonna hold off on watching full-time for a while though. We know how this ends.

[DAMN iNATOR]

AJ Styles now the de facto champion of RAW though and I can get behind that.

Guessing Brock gets traded back to the red brand.

[#1-norm-fan]

So Monday Night RAW is left without a world champion. Both the WWE and Universal Champions are now on Friday Night Smackdown.

Oh Goddammit, they’re gonna merge them at Survivor Series, ruin Bray and then give the Raw title to some glorified midcarder again, aren’t they?

[Gerard]

Just seen a few pics of just how much clothing the women had to wear for their match, surprised they weren't handed ski masks as well ffs.

Natalya got a water bottle thrown at her during her entrance as well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some asshole threw a water bottle at Natalya. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWECrownJewel?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWECrownJewel</a> <a href="https://t.co/dnW0PETmwC">pic.twitter.com/dnW0PETmwC</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1189985316834295815?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

Is it possible they create a new champion on RAW via a tournament or something, have Lesnar as SD champion, and have Bray as a floating final boss champion considering it's the "Universal" championship?

[GD]

That Universal title match managed to be even worse and more dull than the one at the Cell earlier this month.

At least Rollins garbage reign is over.

Also the match ended which means WWE lied about the stip.

Rollins' last two reigns as Universal Champion have been horrendous. His attitude towards criticism doesn't help.

[Sepholio]

I just realized that Rollins attitude basically makes him a real life version of Dolph Zigglers gimmick lmao

[RP]

Just seen a few pics of just how much clothing the women had to wear for their match, surprised they weren't handed ski masks as well ffs.

Natalya got a water bottle thrown at her during her entrance as well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some asshole threw a water bottle at Natalya. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWECrownJewel?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWECrownJewel</a> <a href="https://t.co/dnW0PETmwC">pic.twitter.com/dnW0PETmwC</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1189985316834295815?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I dont blame them. She's horrible. Where's Alexa?

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The skybet odds for the Fury fight are a fucking treasure. <a href="https://t.co/EQGYi2ldYQ">pic.twitter.com/EQGYi2ldYQ</a></p>&mdash; GrapsTalk (@GrapsTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/GrapsTalk/status/1189924667332665346?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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If any of that stuff actually happened, I'd immediately watch a replay of their match from the show.

[GD]

Survivor Series is going to include all three brands this year. Not entirely against the idea, but why the fuck would you do a brand split only a couple of weeks from two major shows with interpromotional bouts?

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My favourite matches are ones that fit within Twitter Videos �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWECrownJewel?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWECrownJewel</a> <a href="https://t.co/KZBvEhLrNG">pic.twitter.com/KZBvEhLrNG</a></p>&mdash; Straight Edge Wrestling (@SEW_Podcast) <a href="https://twitter.com/SEW_Podcast/status/1189956122196791296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Just watched Cain vs Lesnar via Twitter and it was terrible.

Night and day difference in quality between Cain in AAA and him in WWE. Whatever mystic Cain had prior got destroyed because of WWE's grubby hands.

[Gerard]

Another lesnar phone it in match, which accounts for the majority of his matches over the last lot of years. :roll:

[mike adamle]

It wasn't that bad. Perfectly servicable 2 minute match. Cain is not ready for a main event level 20 minute banger. This was fine.

[rez]

I read the quick TPWW results...didn't even want to give ad revenue to someone hosting an illegal stream of a shitty product that's even shittier for the SA shit.

lol it'll be comical where they take champ Bray.

[xrodmuc316]

Read results, so here is the real questions.

1. Did Vince learn from HITC and put the belt on Bray? or,
2. Was the plan to put the belt on Bray, but then Vince held off cause the Saudis wanted it to happen there?

And the big question, 3. Why book HITC in the first place Vince?? Old greedy jackass

[xrodmuc316]

So Monday Night RAW is left without a world champion. Both the WWE and Universal Champions are now on Friday Night Smackdown.

Wyatt is going back to Raw. Shit makes no sense that the most sports entertainment guy on the whole roster went to the "we want a real sports show presentation" show.

Then again, WWE books themselves into such nonsense that maybe they will just make a new title for Raw, the Galactic Interplanetary Championship!

[Mr. Pierre]

Having a feeling that The Fiend is losing this belt fairly quickly. Prichard probably wants to mirror Undertaker’s first title reign since he’s still stuck in 1991.

Rollins will wrongfully manipulate Bray Wyatt into defending the Fiend’s championship for him. Rollins beats Bray Wyatt (sweater and all), turning Rollins heel. Fiend and Bray stay on Smackdown as face(s).

[GD]

Probably a steel cage match where he doesn't have to pin "The Fiend".

[Emperor Smeat]

Looks like this week's episode of Smackdown got screwed even more because of this event.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There's a developing situation with WWE in Saudi Arabia. Most of the talent is still there and &quot;delayed.&quot; Many probably won't make it back for Smackdown.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1190135437140070401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maybe a blessing in disguise for most of the talent since they likely no longer have to worry about dealing with serious travel fatigue for this week's Smackdown.

[Sixx]

Natalya vs Lacey Evans. Looking at those pics makes me think they should fight for the WWE Transsexual Championship.

[Triple A]

Interested in watching SmackDown now

[Emperor Smeat]

There's an odd travel situation happening right now in Saudi Arabia, as WWE's charter flight has been delayed for several hours.

Fightful learned early Monday morning that a charter plane containing the majority of the WWE roster and staff had never taken off. Those who were supposed to be aboard were told of "delays," and some have become suspicious of the delay.

Many of the people that are set to fly out have been awake all through the day and night already, with several scheduled to compete on WWE Smackdown Friday. All of those we spoke to still in Saudi Arabia said they don't expect to make it back to the States in time for Smackdown.

They were supposed to take off at 4:44 AM local time, and as of four hours later hadn't. The 12 hour flight would have had the plane arriving in Buffalo around 10 AM, with Smackdown taking place there ten hours later.

Vince McMahon, Brock Lesnar and Hulk Hogan are all already flying back, as they had their own flights. One talent said that Vince was out of there hours ago, while talent was still on the ground.

Some that we've talked to on the flight are clearly annoyed and perturbed by the situation, while others aren't so concerned, even saying "they'll figure it out, because they always do." So there's hardly a unanimous temperature on the delays.

Not surprised at Vince bolting and leaving everyone else to deal with whatever is causing the problems there.

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some notes since nobody can say anything. WWE had a problem in Saudi Arabia. Talent was not allowed to leave on their flight and most are still there. 20 people, 12 of which were talent, have left but the rest are still there.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1190158088793280512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's a 14 hour flight, Smackdown starts in 17 hours. The last we heard the rest of the talent wasn't going to be able to leave for a lot longer than three hours.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1190158504947896325?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Damian Rey 2.0]

They put Brock over Velasquez clean as a whistle in his debut match? Christ. What reason is there to continue that feud?

[GD]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some notes since nobody can say anything. WWE had a problem in Saudi Arabia. Talent was not allowed to leave on their flight and most are still there. 20 people, 12 of which were talent, have left but the rest are still there.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1190158088793280512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's a 14 hour flight, Smackdown starts in 17 hours. The last we heard the rest of the talent wasn't going to be able to leave for a lot longer than three hours.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1190158504947896325?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ah jeez! I can’t imagine enduring such a long flight and then putting on a 2-hour coherent show.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There were rumors among talent that Vince McMahon got in some kind of disagreement in Saudi Arabia, though I haven't been able to fully confirm that.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1190182540222648321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Assuming its true, then Vince is a huge dipshit for leaving everyone there high and dry and clean up the mess he created.

[XL]

Ah jeez! I can’t imagine enduring such a long flight and then putting on a 2-hour coherent show.

Why are worried about it being coherent?

[Gerard]

Found it amusing watching the fiends match, of all the stuff he was hit with at ringside, stomp, sledgehammer etc he stayed down longer when he got hit with the piece of plastic off the announce table than he did for nearly anything else. :lol:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My favourite matches are ones that fit within Twitter Videos �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWECrownJewel?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWECrownJewel</a> <a href="https://t.co/KZBvEhLrNG">pic.twitter.com/KZBvEhLrNG</a></p>&mdash; Straight Edge Wrestling (@SEW_Podcast) <a href="https://twitter.com/SEW_Podcast/status/1189956122196791296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Just watched Cain vs Lesnar via Twitter and it was terrible.

Night and day difference in quality between Cain in AAA and him in WWE. Whatever mystic Cain had prior got destroyed because of WWE's grubby hands.

Can we talk about how Michael Cole tries to call this match like an actual play by play guy instead of sounding bored and wanting to talk about anything else with Graves


WHY DONT YOU ALWAYS DO THAT MICHAEL

[Droford]

I really want to see Brock vs the Fiend in a unification match

[Jordan]

I don't mind short Brock matches. I didn't think Cain was buried. But obviously they could have done a lot more. The post match angle was strong. Tyson Fury was so bad.

Certainly not going to re-up my subscription. I'm done with WWE.

[Gerard]

I really want to see Brock vs the Fiend in a unification match

Can picture it now, 35 german suplexes and a dozen or more f5's. :wtf:

[Danny Electric]

So how long before someone gives themselves an ‘invincibility shield’ and a x100 power in order to defeat The Fiend.

[Big Vic]

What if to defeat the Fiend you must use the power of love?

Marianne Williamson vs The Fiend WM2020

[Droford]

I bet the secret to beating the Fiend will be taking off the mask

[Splaya]

Just fly the nxt people to smackdown and keep them there. Just have them “takeover” the show till talent gets there. Would be a perfect tie in for what they want to do at survivor series with all three brands facing each other

[Danny Electric]

Just fly the nxt people to smackdown and keep them there. Just have them “takeover” the show till talent gets there. Would be a perfect tie in for what they want to do at survivor series with all three brands facing each other

They could just show last weeks episode of Smackdown and no one would realise.

[Danny Electric]

I bet the secret to beating the Fiend will be taking off the mask

They should get Jim Carey to come in and do it.

[erickman]

smackdown will be a hoot tonight I hope people tune in for the crazyness

[Jordan]

Yeah I can't turn away. I'm free tonight and I gotta see what they do with Smackdown with no Smackdown roster.

[Emperor Smeat]

From today's Observer Radio show on the travel problem for WWE's talent in Saudi Arabia.

Jim Valley: "To the best of your knowledge, this has nothing to do with weather or mechanical issues?"

Dave Meltzer: "No. Not at all. ... My impression was that they were on the plane waiting to take off, and then they were told to leave the plane. Vince was able to get another plane there to get a few people to Buffalo, I'm presuming. I just know a few people left, but it was only 12 wrestlers of the dozens that were on that show."

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don't think anyone but Vince truly knows. The rest is speculation. Those there I've been in contract with who are still there have a different story. <a href="https://t.co/ZU8MeJGPr9">https://t.co/ZU8MeJGPr9</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1190335221796724736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

From today's Observer Radio show on the travel problem for WWE's talent in Saudi Arabia.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don't think anyone but Vince truly knows. The rest is speculation. Those there I've been in contract with who are still there have a different story. <a href="https://t.co/ZU8MeJGPr9">https://t.co/ZU8MeJGPr9</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1190335221796724736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


So let me get this straight, Vince pockets $50 million while getting out of a bunch of midcarders contracts, without them being able to go to AEW and stuck in Saudi???

Vince did it again, genius!

[Volare]

Just fly the nxt people to smackdown and keep them there. Just have them “takeover” the show till talent gets there. Would be a perfect tie in for what they want to do at survivor series with all three brands facing each other

I think we found our mole boys....

[xrodmuc316]

Who is making the "Smackdown - starring Brock Lesnar" thread???

[Emperor Smeat]

Newest rumor going around the net regarding the Saudi mess was it being caused by a money issue and Vince did something to piss off the Prince.

Supposedly the Saudi government owes WWE money for their shows and since news of it was getting leaked, the Prince wanted to deal with Vince but since he wasn't around, the plane carrying the rest of WWE's talent got grounded as punishment.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's a summary of what Hugo Savinovich is reporting as the cause of the WWE flight delay in Saudi Arabia.<br><br>(<a href="https://twitter.com/MicromanFever?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MicromanFever</a> is legit and I trust his translation; it matches what other bilingual fans are tweeting about what Hugo said on Lucha Libre Online's Facebook Live stream.) <a href="https://t.co/QosCJ1bfDY">pic.twitter.com/QosCJ1bfDY</a></p>&mdash; David BixenSP����KY (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1190711796384043010?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alternate translation of the Hugo Savinovich report on the WWE Saudi situation that makes more sense than what others have said:<br><br>Apparently, he didn’t say WWE was owed $600m ($300m/show). He said he didn’t know the number/would use $300m/show for the sake of telling the story. <a href="https://t.co/kAhlWH0lTv">https://t.co/kAhlWH0lTv</a></p>&mdash; David BixenSP����KY (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1190750307879464960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The broadcast in question wasn't the Crown Jewel show and instead that Facebook show hosted by Savinovich.


Edit: Observer and Voices of Wrestling reporting they heard similar reasons from their sources in regards to money issues being the source for Friday's traveling problems.

[Evil Vito]

I never would have guessed that a deal with a corrupt and violent government might have complications.

[xrodmuc316]

I never would have guessed that a deal with a corrupt and violent government might have complications.

Go figure right :rofl:

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One person in the company said WWE is trying to get video from as much talent as possible to claim the mechanical issues on the plane were the problem. Just the fact they would do this is very strange.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1190784186514231297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

WWE's claims of mechanical problems for the first plane is starting to sound more like BS now that more details are getting revealed. WWE wouldn't need to go to those efforts unless they were that worried about the Vince and money story being outed as the real reason.

The story of the second emergency plane having problems does seem legit though since the company contracted for that plane released an official statement on the matter.

[Emperor Smeat]

Based on a bunch of recent tweets from people living in Saudi Arabia who saw the show on tv, Dave Meltzer and David Bixenspan, people digging through WWE's recent fiscal reports, and tweets from wrestlers, this seems to be the summary of events leading to Friday's post-show travel issues.

* Based on those who have been digging through WWE's fiscal reports, there have been noticeable discrepancies in areas where the Saudi money would have kicked in. Several spikes in both directions likely indicating the Saudi government has not been paying for their shows on time. David Bixenspan tweeted a recent report from CBC.ca of this being a growing issue in the Saudi government for their other deals for some time now.

* WWE likely realized they were not going to be paid in full on time for Friday's Crown Jewel event and Vince pulled a power play in regards to the feed of the event. According to those in Saudi Arabia, all of the past Saudi shows were aired live except this one. Crown Jewel was aired on a one hour delay but it wasn't announced prior to the event which managed to piss off a lot of viewers there.

* Saudi prince seems to have been upset at WWE's handling of the feed for the event and pulled a power play of his own by having the plane with the rest of WWE's talent grounded. Only reason he couldn't do the same for Vince's plane was due to Vince leaving hours earlier with a few others.

* Making things worse for WWE was them getting a charter plane for only a select few talent managed to piss off everyone else that was still stuck there. Curtis Axel tweeted out his anger in response and Karl Anderson hinted at losing a lot of respect for RAW's locker room leader (likely Rollins due to his star status).

This whole mess also seems to possibly open up another serious problem on the horizon for WWE. Supposedly its being speculated that insider trading is happening within WWE. Vince and the McMahon family are among those rumored to have committed that crime. Some investors haven't been happy regarding WWE still being unwilling to disclose details regarding the Saudi money and issues with their new UK tv deal and upcoming new contracts elsewhere.

[slik]

Just want to point out Brad Shepard had the scoop BEFORE Meltz or Bix


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As of a few hours ago, making it to Buffalo for showtime was not a guarantee, so we’ll see. I’m told internally that many question the validity of the mechanical issue. I’m told Saudi Arabia owes <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> money for previous events - I don’t know how much they owe. Continued...</p>&mdash; Brad Shepard of ProSportsExtra.com (@TheBradShepard) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBradShepard/status/1190303279537778688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

I could see Vince not going back until WWE gets what they are owed

[Emperor Smeat]

That was being speculated as a possible reason well before Shepard reported it though. Also people have been accusing Shepard of just reading all the rumors online and reports from Fightful in order to break his news. Even Bodyslam.net, which is near the bottom in terms of reliability, apologized for using Shepard as a source for their own report on WWE wrestlers feeling they were being held against their own will.

Meltzer and/or Alvarez did hint at the possible reason being serious enough they didn't want to say anything potentially definitive until all of WWE's talent was out of the country.

[slik]

People on the net always try to think of any excuse to not give Brad credit for the many news items he breaks bc he is 'an asshole'...he definitely does not read Fightful and does not remotely get along w Sean Ross Sapp.

One of these days people will see tho!

[slik]

This whole mess also seems to possibly open up another serious problem on the horizon for WWE. Supposedly its being speculated that insider trading is happening within WWE. Vince and the McMahon family are among those rumored to have committed that crime. Some investors haven't been happy regarding WWE still being unwilling to disclose details regarding the Saudi money and issues with their new UK tv deal and upcoming new contracts elsewhere.


Looks like A LOT of WWE top brass sold stock around the same time, which might be when they figured out they weren't getting paid for the S.A. show

If true, and that's the reason, that would be super illegal and yikes.

[terryna]

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