Noid actually watches Official Raw Thread

[Mr. Nerfect]

Royal Rumble was so good last night I'm actually going to watch. Curious to see what they do with Drew McIntyre and Edge most of all. This is going to be an experiment.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Really wish the sexed up angle between Liv Morgan and Lana was actually steamy as opposed to them just saying "sex" a lot. Where's the softcore? Eric Bischoff would not stand for this toned down version of HLA.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Edge was emotional last night, you could tell. I think he'll cut a promo and it might be quite "special." Hopefully.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Victoria's entrance was being teased in the same way MVP's was. I guess they held her back. Seems like a nasty thing to do, so I think we'll see her on Raw.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Morbidly curious to see where they are going with Charlotte winning the Rumble. Neither her vs. Becky or her vs. Bayley feel right for Mania, and they've been done eight million times each. I think they're going somewhere either unpredictable with this, or not so much unpredictable as having a bit more going on than simply "Push Charlotte."

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was thinking they could move her over to SmackDown to go against Bayley and then have Sasha get involved because "the company screwed me by not even having me in the Rumble." It's not exactly stellar, but it feels more WrestleMania level than Charlotte vs. Bayley, you know?

[Sepholio]

Yeah but then we have to watch Charlotte beat both of them for the title. You know that belt is going on her at this point.

[slik]

Tom Phillips is officially replacing Vic Joseph on RAW going forward.

I liked Vic but Tom is my favorite, so I applaud this move!

[Evil Vito]

Setting the over/under on how many consecutive Raws that Noid will watch after this week at 0.5

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At the Royal Rumble we earned a lot of goodwill with the fans. Tonight we'll find new &amp; exciting ways to screw that up <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAWTonight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAWTonight</a></p>&mdash; WWE Creative Humor (@WWECreative_ish) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/status/1221803933758377984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

Getting ready to be Edgeucated tonight LIVE ON RAW.

[Sepholio]

Fellow Edgeheads unite!

[ClockShot]

Tom Phillips is officially replacing Vic Joseph on RAW going forward.

I liked Vic but Tom is my favorite, so I applaud this move!

Dio gone not even a month after the move, Vic goes a little over 3 months.

Sheesh.

[xrodmuc316]

Victoria's entrance was being teased in the same way MVP's was. I guess they held her back. Seems like a nasty thing to do, so I think we'll see her on Raw.

I think that was just a troll by WWE after the MVP picture got out.

[ClockShot]

I AM curious on how safe Edge is going to be working and how many dates he's signed for.

He's a breath of fresh air that's absolutely needed, but I want him going at full steam.

[xrodmuc316]

Tom Phillips is officially replacing Vic Joseph on RAW going forward.

I liked Vic but Tom is my favorite, so I applaud this move!

Agreed, Phillips is much better.

[ClockShot]

Oh man, Byron Saxton is back. Along with Lawler, I feel bad for Phillips now.

[slik]

Hope Shayna debuts as Lana's #1 bodyguard and doesn't wrestle

[xrodmuc316]

Oh Byron too! Not my favorite but he works good with Phillips, could be good without Graves!

[Sepholio]

Alright here we go let's see if he can do this. Decent pop for Drew anyways.

[Triple A]

Phillips sooooo much better than Vic Joseph... Joseph was freaking unbearable to listen to...

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: at WWE ignoring the nut shot that setup Drew's elimination of Lesnar.

Poor Ricochet, gets no credit for helping get rid of Lesnar in the Rumble.

[ClockShot]

That is one big WrestleMania sign this time around.

[slik]

Drew should give Heyman a Claymore

[Triple A]

Worried about boring standard WWE "so happy to be here" face promo

[slik]

plz don't cut a hyper-emotional, "I love the fans" shit...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, I was just about to say something about how well produced this show is, then did they flub and play Edge's theme?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fuck these fans. Of course he deserves it, he won the fucking match.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Drew coming off as real likeable.

[Mr. Nerfect]

His promo is kind of stating the obvious.

[Triple A]

McIntyre seems like an unnatural face...

[ClockShot]

*sigh*

Gallows & Anderson. I hope the money is worth it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

McIntyre's delivery is really good. Haven't heard him in a while. Sounds better than I remember.

[slik]

not into this match

[Jordan]

I love how Drew just made a really natural relationship with the audience. The confidence he spoke with. He just owned his spot. Very intrigued to see how this goes. Fingers crossed.

[ClockShot]

SHUT UP, KING!

[Triple A]

Hopefully McIntyre destroys them within 2 mins and this is not a boring ass 15 min match where McIntyre has to sell for them and take chin locks for 10 mins

[Emperor Smeat]

Phillips sooooo much better than Vic Joseph... Joseph was freaking unbearable to listen to...

Always felt those two sounded the same at least in terms of delivery style.

Phillips biggest advantage was him doing main roster commentary a lot longer and being comfortable in that role unlike Joseph.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Luke Gallows looks and talks just like one of my friend's dads.

[Evil Vito]

Because most fans are terrible I fully expect the crowd to turn on Drew shortly after Mania because god forbid anybody ever get behind someone the office is trying to push.

[Triple A]

cool

[ClockShot]

Paul looks pissed off.

[Sepholio]

F Bork Lezn0r

[Triple A]

Because most fans are terrible I fully expect the crowd to turn on Drew shortly after Mania because god forbid anybody ever get behind someone the office is trying to push.

Is it the fans' fault that they book every1 like shit though...

[Emperor Smeat]

Drew vs. OC match was decent but was also just another sign of how much Vince really hates tag wrestling.

[Evil Vito]

Is it the fans' fault that they book every1 like shit though...

Nope but the second the fans realize the office is behind someone, they will turn. It’s been that way for like 15 years.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, that was everything it needed to be. Reminded me of how the Midnight Express wanted to put over Brian Pillman.

[slik]

Drew first member of 3-Man Band to headline a WM

[Jordan]

Nope but the second the fans realize the office is behind someone, they will turn. It’s been that way for like 15 years.

That's why we need another brawl for all to find the shoot champ in WWE.

[ClockShot]

2001.

Thanks for today's "I'm Old" reminder.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Not sure I love Brock getting his hands on Drew that early, but it doesn't offend my sensibilities either. Good first segment. I think this Raw might do really well in the ratings, given that they've got Edge back and a lot of championship matches and the Liv/Lana/Charlotte announcement stuff promoted.

They are actually trying, guys. :'(

[Jordan]

Drew first member of 3-Man Band to headline a WM

Didn't Jinder have a WWE Championship match at Mania? Isn't that "Headlining"?

[Jordan]

Can't believe Rey isn't on the injured list after last week.

[ClockShot]

I'M COMIN...……………….back.

[Sepholio]

whoa so MVP is sticking around

[Emperor Smeat]

Nope but the second the fans realize the office is behind someone, they will turn. It’s been that way for like 15 years.

That's because WWE rarely is subtle with their booking and/or starts taking away the very things that made the person a crowd favorite.

If Drew suddenly gets the Reigns treatment for booking, then yeah the crowd will turn on him. Same for crowds losing interest if he's stuck in bad feuds.

[Jordan]

MVP vs Rey... agh are you kidding me bro?

[slik]

mvp full-time...hmm

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE seem to be playing more into their history recently. That's such a useful tool they don't use enough of.

[ClockShot]

M.V.P.

Most Valuable Punisher?

[Droford]

mvp full-time...hmm

Hall of Fame

[Evil Vito]

I dunno, Jeff Jarrett worked a few Raw matches right after his Rumble return and that was it and it turned out he’d signed on for a backstage role.

Could see it being the same with MVP.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kind of got a feeling that Christian might turn on Edge because he's jealous of all this fanfare for him. I dunno, don't really think Christian is coming back, but something about the presentation of that segment just made me feel that.

[Jordan]

I really like the look of both wrestlers attire in this match. It looks pretty cool. Rey's attire really reminds me of WCW days.

[Evil Vito]

MVP is two days older than Edge.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A vignette to tell you about someone?

[slik]

was never really into mvp tbh

[Mr. Nerfect]

Didn't use sound at the Rumble, but MVP using his classic theme is a good choice.

[Jordan]

Goddamn what is going on with Rey? Worrisome.

[Mr. Nerfect]

MVP looks to be in great shape. I don't hate him being around.

[Mr. Nerfect]

MVP looks comfortable out there and he looks to be in great shape.

[Emperor Smeat]

MVP is pretty smart when you think about.

He mentioned before if he ever came back to WWE, it would be for a big pay day and with the next Saudi show around the corner, he's going to cash in big time regardless if WWE handles this run well or not.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Smartly structured show so far. Go from Drew looking great and Brock to Rey Mysterio, who is beloved, and a guy that's coming back, which is at least interesting.

[xrodmuc316]

Didn't Jinder have a WWE Championship match at Mania? Isn't that "Headlining"?

US Title match, he was already 4 months removed from his WWE Title run

[DAMN iNATOR]

So does that handicap match mean Luke is out of TPWW Survivor? Holy shit if so, that would bring it to the final 3!

[Droford]

MVP is two days older than Edge.

I was gonna say I bet MVP is in better shape than Edge but then I remembered his heart condition he has

[slik]

I literally missed that match too...was in line to go to the restroom bc I saw Jinder was coming up and was like 'oh thank god, a break'

[Evil Vito]

For what it’s worth, they added Edge to the current superstars section of the roster page last night, but not MVP

Keen to see if this is an actual run for him or not.

[xrodmuc316]

MVP looks to be in great shape. I don't hate him being around.

I said last night it was a wasted spot, but if he is gonna be around even a few months, I take that back.

[Droford]

Definitely gonna bring the VIP lounge out again

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can't believe it's coming up to 14 years since MVP debuted in WWE.

[Sepholio]

Nice job covering that botched finish Rey

[rez]

Welcome back, MVP. Job job job

[Jordan]

MVP wasn't bad at all, forgot how to take some of Rey's moves at times but it was a good match. Rey seemed like he got knocked loopy again. I hope they check him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Seemed like they called a fair bit of that in the ring. I'd like to see more of that.

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: at the 619 botch

Match wasn't that good although Rey also looked really off during it.

[Droford]

That's one of the coolest mania promo videos they've donr

[slik]

WM: Pirate Ship

has to make use of the pirate ship in Tampa's stadium for the set, they just have to

[Jordan]

I've never met a wrestling fan who liked a handicapped match. Right?

[Droford]

Match graphics for WM are cool too

[Droford]

Black vs black

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't like how they show us what happened a few minutes ago.

[Emperor Smeat]

Pirate ship promo video for Mania was pretty cool but WWE screwed up by not having Kairi be on the ship steering it or acting like a pirate.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Alistair Black has got a great entrance.

[rez]

damn. They need to post that pirate ship Wrestlemania promo so I can send it to a buddy down in Tampa.

[Evil Vito]

Aleister Black is a lucky man for getting Zelina Vega

[rez]

Pirate ship promo video for Mania was pretty cool but WWE screwed up by not having Kairi be on the ship steering it or acting like a pirate.

:y:

[slik]

so 3 jobber matches so far

[Jordan]

HELLUVA PROMO THAT BLACK

[Droford]

so 3 jobber matches so far

MVP isn't a jobber

[Mr. Nerfect]

Black being a babyface that takes responsibility for his own failures is pretty good. And they seem to have dropped the goofy backstage segments, which is good. Sounds like someone has got their way and can move in a better direction.

[Triple A]

Starting to remember why Tom Phillips also used to annoy me...

I think it's just impossible to be a decent WWE commentator these days...

Jerry Lawler is the only guy I like because he has some semblance of his own personality and is at least like 10% still "unhinged" and will say some inappropriate/funny thing every now and then

[Emperor Smeat]

Black's post-match promo was pretty good.

For a moment, thought he was going to get all moody about his status which would have been a terrible change in direction for him.

[rez]

Starting to remember why Tom Phillips also used to annoy me...

I think it's just impossible to be a decent WWE commentator these days...

Jerry Lawler is the only guy I like because he has some semblance of his own personality and is at least like 10% still "unhinged" and will say some inappropriate/funny thing every now and then

What bout Booker, sucka

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sethley is much more comfortable as a heel.

[Jordan]

Starting to remember why Tom Phillips also used to annoy me...

I think it's just impossible to be a decent WWE commentator these days...

Jerry Lawler is the only guy I like because he has some semblance of his own personality and is at least like 10% still "unhinged" and will say some inappropriate/funny thing every now and then

I tend to not focus on WWE commentary generally. Last night was good over all but generally I just kind of drown it out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They need to just stop producing commentators so much and get guys who know how to call the emotion when it's there. WWE likes drones.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jim Ross would have been fucking phenomenal calling that Royal Rumble match last night. And he would just be all over Rollins for being a prick who got this outside help, lol. But they're like "It's the Monday Night Messiah(TM)"

[slik]

would bone tom phillips

[Jordan]

Samoa Joe and Tyler Black about to LOCK UP Honor fans!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jerry Lawler wearing a suit. Remember when he just stopped trying and wore t-shirts out there?

[Jordan]

Did anyone comment in the Rumble thread about how Edge looks haggard as fuck but still pretty cool as an old weathered warrior?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Joe & Owens make a pretty good two big-boned dudes kicking ass team.

[Jordan]

Seth's beard grooming is much stronger as a heel.

[Emperor Smeat]

Starting to remember why Tom Phillips also used to annoy me...

I think it's just impossible to be a decent WWE commentator these days...

Jerry Lawler is the only guy I like because he has some semblance of his own personality and is at least like 10% still "unhinged" and will say some inappropriate/funny thing every now and then

Mauro arguably is the best one they have had in years and its mostly due to him not following the same Michael Cole mold or style like almost everyone else does in WWE.

Graves also stands out as a commentator but not in a good way most of the time.

[Jordan]

I really like where the Seth character is headed right now. Feels like he's on the right track. His promo just now was great.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Seth telling the fans they are going to turn on Drew is smaaaaaart.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Guys seem a lot more organic than they have been.

[Jordan]

LOL this is funny stuff. Joe and Owens are great.

[Jordan]

Guys seem a lot more organic than they have been.

Totally

[Triple A]

Mauro arguably is the best one they have had in years and its mostly due to him not following the same Michael Cole mold or style like almost everyone else does in WWE.

Graves also stands out as a commentator but not in a good way most of the time.

Oh yeah forgot about Mauro... He is the best one... was just thinking of all of the recent Raw/SmackDown guys

[Mr. Nerfect]

Seth's iconoclastic gimmick is pretty sweet.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That was such a Heyman segment.

[slik]

hate mauro so much

spazzy weirdo

[Emperor Smeat]

:eek: face team being smart for once and calling out WWE style heel logic.

Rare time where a mostly nothing hour on RAW ended up being pretty good because it flowed well.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It wouldn't surprise me if they switch the Raw Tag belts here. Seth and Murphy are such shit-eaters that they can lose them and win them back and talk shit and everything will be fine.

[Evil Vito]

As much as I'd also love "ONE MORE MATCH" for Christian too, I don't think it's happening.

WWE declared him retired without even telling him, and I don't think he's been fighting to get concussion clearance like Bryan did.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There have been quite a few babyfaces on this show that I would actually want to be/live vicariously through. Drew McIntyre, Alistair Black, Samoa Joe and Kevin Owens, specifically. MVP and Rey Mysterio aren't stupid chickenshits either. The babyfaces...are babyfaces!

[Mr. Nerfect]

As much as I'd also love "ONE MORE MATCH" for Christian too, I don't think it's happening.

WWE declared him retired without even telling him, and I don't think he's been fighting to get concussion clearance like Bryan did.

I think he's kind of said he's fine with it, but there is a lot of money in it, and Bryan has set the template of which doctors to talk to.

[slik]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Can see NXT beating AEW this week, or at least being within that 10% gap where it's basically a watch. Keith Lee getting some exposure and the finals of the tournament. WWE feels like it's got some good vibes now.

[Droford]

Lol they remember the no automatic rematch thing

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is going to be a great match.

[rez]

Did anyone comment in the Rumble thread about how Edge looks haggard as fuck but still pretty cool as an old weathered warrior?

Probably. Far removed from his clean cut Haven acting days

[rez]

How come these mofos are incapable of posting the damn wrestlemania ship promo video. ahhh

[Droford]

I like how Murphy and black had a series of great matches and Black has-been fighting jobbers since after winning while buddy is tag champ with Seth in a high profile angle

[Droford]

How come these mofos are incapable of posting the damn wrestlemania ship promo video. ahhh

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Extended shine for the babyfaces.

[rez]

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It's the short version and not 69 days but I'll take it. I couldn't find it no wheres

Much obliged, mah lord

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can't believe it's looking like I am going to get to the end of a Monday Night Raw and say "I thoroughly enjoyed this show."

[Jordan]

Very intrigued with Mania this year... sure there is plenty of time to screw it up but I'm hopeful because I have an open mind about The Universal Championship. Roman is likely to be the challenger, but that doesn't mean he will win. It depends what kind of story they bring to the table to make it a special match. Hopeful.

[Emperor Smeat]

Ouch at Joe landing head first to the outside or at least it looked that way via the bad cam shot.

[Jordan]

I can't believe it's looking like I am going to get to the end of a Monday Night Raw and say "I thoroughly enjoyed this show."

Almost two hours to go dude!

[Droford]

Joe is hurt

[Jordan]

Damn. Good angle for this match removing Joe.

[Jordan]

May not be an angle IDK. That was a hard fall.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nah, that's an angle. But it's good and believable.

[Jordan]

I am enjoying the commentary. Saxton is very passionate I appreciate that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hate that people kick out of the Frog Splash.

[rez]

4 pages for RAW already. bah gawd

[slik]

poor joe

[Jordan]

Looks like a legit sell out they have everything lit up showing it off. Looks great.

[Emperor Smeat]

Can see NXT beating AEW this week, or at least being within that 10% gap where it's basically a watch. Keith Lee getting some exposure and the finals of the tournament. WWE feels like it's got some good vibes now.

Only way that's happening is if NXT suddenly doubles their key demo and/or AEW suffers a huge drop.

[Jordan]

Fantastic match!

[Droford]

4 pages for RAW already. bah gawd

It's the road to WrestleMania!

[Mr. Nerfect]

So smart. Owens looks amazing with the valiant effort, also emphasizes how impressive what Drew McIntyre did earlier.

[Emperor Smeat]

Tag match was pretty good. Started off slow paced but got better the longer it went.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They are in star building mode. No coincidence that Murphy has gotten the pin two weeks in a row. Heyman is trying something there.

[Evil Vito]

I would take a Black Mass from Aleister for a night with Zelina.

[slik]

The clips from Edge and Lita's "Live Sex Celebration" will probably not the make highlight reels being shown tonight

[Emperor Smeat]

Wonder how many more times they are going to replay the exact same Edge Rumble video during this show.

Already been like 3 times soo far.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wonder how many more times they are going to replay the exact same Edge Rumble video during this show.

Already been like 3 times soo far.

They're telling the story of his career. It's something else as well as mining the emotion of that moment and letting it sink in.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Haven't seen much (actually, I don't think I've seen anything) of Humberto. This will be interesting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Good looking kid. Looks very "young." Not sure I buy him a bad-ass just based on his visual appearance.

[Evil Vito]

Good looking kid. Looks very "young." Not sure I buy him a bad-ass just based on his visual appearance.

He’s very young, only 24

[Jordan]

Becky doing Connor again but she does do it well.

[slik]

GOAT ILLUMINATI BECKY LYNCH

[Jordan]

Humberto the definition of a baby face.

[slik]

plz no talk of the biebs

[Emperor Smeat]

Haven't seen much (actually, I don't think I've seen anything) of Humberto. This will be interesting.

He's good in the ring but Heyman's booking of him has been pretty bad since he got promoted from 205 Live. Him and Street Profits have been handled the worst out of Heyman's supposed hand-pick stars.

Like this might be the 3rd time Carrillo got a push jump started after the previous two were abruptly ended.

[slik]

crowd is dead as fuck for Andrade vs Humberto part 43

[Triple A]

Humberto def winning here right... Otherwise what's the point...

[Jordan]

Humberto won't go anywhere until they turn him heel.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They will either be putting the US Title on him or finishing him up. I got the impression from the stories that Vince was just not feeling it with him and Cedric Alexander, but Heyman does seem to be getting more and more control.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Really kind of think that Andrade is more the project, so I see him retaining and Humberto going in a different direction.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wouldn't surprise me if Angel Garza is the top Hispanic guy they decide to go with.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kind of weird that Humberto is on Raw while Angel is on NXT.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That powerbomb looked awkward as hell.

[Droford]

I wonder if McIntyre wins the WWE title if they'll remember Andrade beating him for the NXT title in 2017

[Emperor Smeat]

Match was decent but that ending stunk.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wonder how much two guys from Mexico having a match on WWE TV loses a lot of audiences. Maybe chalk it up to racism, or fans just not having an appreciation for lucha, but programs like Andrade/Humberto and Del Rio/Kalisto always seem to fall flat. I think they need to create Hispanic stars so that people care about their matches.

[Evil Vito]

Stuff like that doesn't hold up to logic. If you're gonna interfere in your client's match, why make him wrestle 20 minutes first?

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is smart. Just as I was saying what I just did, he wins by DQ to move forward and cement another match, then he got an eye-for-an-eye justice. He's not a little boy who whinges and cries that Andrade tried to end my career. He's a man that will go and get retribution. You can feel the crowd reacting more to it.

He needs a lot of work. His facial expressions aren't there, and his music is pretty shit, but stuff like that will make him better overall. Andrade needs to ham up the injury.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Stuff like that doesn't hold up to logic. If you're gonna interfere in your client's match, why make him wrestle 20 minutes first?

Because, ideally, your client would win and dispatch of a challenger. Also, they get pissed and shit like their head getting bounced off concrete happens.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If Andrade won, Humberto would be dead. If Humberto won, the crowd would shrug it off and be like "So?" and that would look awful. Heyman is trying to encourage people to invest and give more edge to this guy.

[Emperor Smeat]

I wonder how much two guys from Mexico having a match on WWE TV loses a lot of audiences. Maybe chalk it up to racism, or fans just not having an appreciation for lucha, but programs like Andrade/Humberto and Del Rio/Kalisto always seem to fall flat. I think they need to create Hispanic stars so that people care about their matches.

Its more due to Vince and WWE historically have rarely handled or booked lucha style wrestling well. Even NXT and 205 Live struggles as well but not at the level of main roster shows.

Only reason Rey and Eddie became huge stars for WWE's Hispanic market was due to both already being made or having big name value before joining the company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Zelina Vega and Andrade need to be fucking heels coming out of this. Not just pull pouty faces and act like snobs. They need to be heels. Threaten Humberto with lawsuits, appear in a neck-brace, hire security details to protect them from that unhinged Garza cousin. What they need is for the Raw audience to care about where this goes next, as opposed to just matches, and they need Andrade to be under their skin and Humberto to be likeable.

[Evil Vito]

Being in the arena for Edge's retirement announcement was so surreal.

Glad he's getting the chance to come back and eventually go out on his own terms.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Got a feeling Raw might be ending in an RKO and/or a punt...

[slik]

Edge's return milked dry in under 2 hrs, jesus

[Mr. Nerfect]

Actually interested to see what happens here with Charlotte. It feels like there isn't an obvious/clear path.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Edge's return milked dry in under 2 hrs, jesus

This is how you promote something throughout a show. They are telling the story of the guy's career, from tag specialist to Royal Rumble Winner to champion to retirement.

[rez]

Its more due to Vince and WWE historically have rarely handled or booked lucha style wrestling well. Even NXT and 205 Live struggles as well but not at the level of main roster shows.

Only reason Rey and Eddie became huge stars for WWE's Hispanic market was due to both already being made or having big name value before joining the company.

Correct. WCW Cruiserweight matches weren't piss breaks

[rez]

This segment is def a piss break tho

[slik]

Hey Noid they can do that w/o the Rumble clip from yesterday each time

Thx

[Triple A]

Asuka the best promo in WWE even though I have no idea what she is saying

[Mr. Nerfect]

They're doing that fucking stupid AEW thing where they say there's going to be an announcement and then go "next week!"

[Emperor Smeat]

Correct. WCW Cruiserweight matches weren't piss breaks

Yeup and even when WCW started to stop caring about the division, they still kept it in the lucha style instead of watering it down or forcing it to fit in the WCW/NWA style.

[Droford]

Actually interested to see what happens here with Charlotte. It feels like there isn't an obvious/clear path.

I kinda want Rhea Ripley to beat Bianca Bel Air at Takeover and then basically challenge Charlotte to challenge her for a match at WM. It makes no sense for Charlotte to want to be NXT women's Champion but whatever

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wouldn't hate Charlotte vs. Rhea Ripley. I thought that might have been where her promo was going. Either that or "I'll take them all."

[Droford]

I wouldn't hate Charlotte vs. Rhea Ripley. I thought that might have been where her promo was going. Either that or "I'll take them all."

Lol. She should challenge them all to a 4 way winner take all

[Mr. Nerfect]

There's not been one bad segment on this show so far.

[Emperor Smeat]

They're doing that fucking stupid AEW thing where they say there's going to be an announcement and then go "next week!"

AEW took that bad habit from WWE unfortunately.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I am somebody who really appreciates face/heel divides, but I'm kind of intrigued by the disposition of Charlotte Flair. Feels like you're invited to both hate her and respect her.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW took that bad habit from WWE unfortunately.

There's been a few, but there's a different tone to it in modern times. Delaying something to next week was a promotional strategy, but it's gotten more and more shameless.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Enjoying this match so far.

[Emperor Smeat]

I kinda want Rhea Ripley to beat Bianca Bel Air at Takeover and then basically challenge Charlotte to challenge her for a match at WM. It makes no sense for Charlotte to want to be NXT women's Champion but whatever

That sounds good on paper but pretty much would almost guarantee another reign of terror happening on NXT. It was bad enough when Baszler did it and also got stale really fast unlike Asuka's reign of terror.

[Mr. Nerfect]

God damn it, I hate it, but I'm intrigued as to where Charlotte is going.

[Triple A]

fucking 5239857 unnecessary distracting camera cuts

[rez]

Vince totes had Kairi Sane drop the pirate stuff so she doesn't steal all the glory at WM.

[Triple A]

groaning @ street profits now

[Bad News Gertner]

These God damn quick camera cuts. How can anybody watch this?

[Emperor Smeat]

Charlotte vs. Asuka was very good overall.

Charlotte doesn't really hold back at all when she does those big boots. Almost took off Kairi's head with it.

[rez]

Must be nice for KK to drive 3 hours to do a short Street Prophets promo

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don't get the point of this Street Profits stuff.

[Emperor Smeat]

Wait ... when did Mojo get a bodyguard?

Also out of all the people to get a call up, why even give it to Moss?

[Droford]

Riddick Moss..ok

[Droford]

Wait ... when did Mojo get a bodyguard?

He's his offensive lineman

[Mr. Nerfect]

Riddick Moss casually up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This feels like the first weak segment.

[Emperor Smeat]

He's his offensive lineman

Mojo's going to need like 5 more of them to complete his O line.

[Evil Vito]

Truth clearly in the conga line

[Droford]

24/7 official matches in the ring seem dumb

[Emperor Smeat]

That might have been one of the worst and/or dumbest promo segments in RAW history.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mojo Rawley actually a good talker as a heel.

[Emperor Smeat]

Riddick Moss going on the waiver wire after that poor blocking performance.

[Droford]

There's not been one bad segment on this show so far.

I blame you for jinxing it

[Droford]

Riddick Moss going on the waiver wire after that poor blocking performance.

Mojo needs to pick up Keith Lee

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eh, I didn't hate that. Far from the world's greatest segment ever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I did just legit laugh out loud at Jerry Lawler saying *Rusev* ruined the wedding. :lol:

[rez]

Eh, I didn't hate that. Far from the world's greatest segment ever.

If it were an AEW segment you'd be shitting your pants in disapproval :naughty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Everything was fine until Rusev ruined the cake and the catfight.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If it were an AEW segment you'd be shitting your pants in disapproval :naughty:

It would also probably be one of the better things on the show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lana and Liv Morgan...this ain't going to be a catch-as-catch-can classic, folks. (I like to imagine JR calling these shows)

[rez]

sigh...so degrading for Liv

[Emperor Smeat]

Liv's new theme sounds terrible. Like maybe if she was associated with Bray's Firefly Fun House maybe it would fit her better.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Liv Morgan's outfit is ridiculous.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Liv is trying her little heart out here.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cool little finish.

[slik]

Liv looks good

[Sting Fan]

I'm enjoying Noid turning back to WWE to shit on AEW. I am always a fan of a good complicated heel turn,

[Emperor Smeat]

Lana vs. Liv was meh.

Even the crowd barely cared for it.

This whole Lana-Rusev feud has been running on fumes for a while and going to just be dreadful if it actually lasts till Mania if the rumors are true.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This show just keeps going and going. It feels like they put all the scraps together here.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They need to sex it up. Rusev should release the videos he has of Lana and hook up with Liv.

[slik]

show has gotten really boring

[Evil Vito]

This show just keeps going and going. It feels like they put all the scraps together here.

Par for the course for Raw.

It would be so much better as a 2 hour show, and just about everyone in the office has acknowledged as much. But it's not like they're going to turn down the money from USA to give them the 3rd hour.

[rez]

Let's get our Edge on so I can go sleepy poo

[Emperor Smeat]

Did Rowan just bust out a Jackhammer to a jobber?

[RP]

Edge's return is still giving me goosebumps. The look on his face when he came out. He looked like he was about to cry.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Branden Vice owes Erick Rowan haircut money.