DISCUSSION - 2020 - Who is the best male wrestler in the world?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Is it Okada? Omega? Ospreay? Lesnar? Jericho? PAC?

Let your voice be heard!

[Sepholio]

PAC by a mile.

[slik]

Brock

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think it’s really between Brock, Bryan and Okada for me.

[slik]

@Noid

Same tbh

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wish they’d use Bryan “better.” It’s nice he just wants to do his thing and be around, but he could really elevate guys by working with them.

[Sepholio]

Why does everyone have such a hard on for the guy that does 3 (4 if you include strikes) moves, only works once every 3-4 months, and gets gassed on his way to the ring :/

I used to preach the word of Lesnar but man the routine is old af now and his matches are boring as fuck and basically all the exact same. 10 german suplexes, opponent magically gets in some offense by attacking brocks leg for a couple minutes, 5 more German suplexes, F-5, F-5, pin. Every now and then they change it up and throw a kimura in there. That's it. The only good thing about Brock is Heyman.

[slik]

No one could have done what he did with the RR this year.

Brock made the whole match, made a new star, sold when needed.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I will say that I was very skeptical of Brock in the Rumble and he absolutely killed it.

[slik]

Adding the JeriGoat to my list too...so many tied for #1...shit maybe Cody too....this is harder than the women's number one...

[Destor]

Favorite is Danielson but the answer is Lesnar

[Simple Fan]

It's Cody Rhodes. AEW wouldn't exist without him.

[Mr. Pierre]

Brock and Bryan

[Fignuts]

https://i.imgur.com/IyIryJG.png

[Evil Vito]

Yeah I have to say Okada.

[Emperor Smeat]

Okada.

The only real knock against him is the first 10-20 minutes of any of his big matches tend to feel as if its padding match time just for the sake of it. Anyone else and those matches would feel very boring or way too dragged out but he's made them become an effective way to cool down crowds from a very hot match without it hurting his match and build up the suspense of his own match to a crazy level once it hits the next gear.

[xrodmuc316]

Depends on your definition of best.

Brock Lesnar makes $12 million a year for like 5 matches. Seems like the winner to me.

[RP]

Roman Reigns

[DaveWadding]

Tomohiro Ishii

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why does everyone have such a hard on for the guy that does 3 (4 if you include strikes) moves, only works once every 3-4 months, and gets gassed on his way to the ring :/

I used to preach the word of Lesnar but man the routine is old af now and his matches are boring as fuck and basically all the exact same. 10 german suplexes, opponent magically gets in some offense by attacking brocks leg for a couple minutes, 5 more German suplexes, F-5, F-5, pin. Every now and then they change it up and throw a kimura in there. That's it. The only good thing about Brock is Heyman.

He's fucking glorious and is a master worker. The moves he does actually count, and his face in the ring belongs to a psycho killer that is having a ball being the best at what he does.

Guy is also possibly the best seller in wrestling today. I go back and watch Brock vs. Bryan all the time, just to see Brock sell Bryan's kicks. No one has ever sold them better. Ever.

[ClockShot]

I was gonna say Shane McMahon. But, let's not get carried away and take the gag further.

A.J. Styles, but by the slimmest of margins. I was skeptical at first with him signing with WWE and thinking he would just be a different guy altogether wrestling the WWE style. Instead, he hasn't lost a beat. And he's put on some great matches since he's been there.

[Maluco]

Brock, not even close.

He is a believable beast and as others have said above, he is a master of the craft. His selling, reactions and no wasted energy. Every move means something. Royal Rumble performance was great. It would have been boring in the hands of almost anyone else, but it just showed how good he is.

A lot of the flippers no no sellers need to look at Brock tbh

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Depends on your definition of best.

Brock Lesnar makes $12 million a year for like 5 matches. Seems like the winner to me.

Cynical and trash

[Ultra Mantis]

Cynical and trash

The old Seth Rollins "let's compare bank accounts and see who's a better wrestler" play. Terrible.

[GD]

Kazuchika Okada
Brock Lesnar

[Ultra Mantis]

Okada has my vote too, he's so good at everything. It's really not fair.

[Bad News Gertner]

Ryback

[Seanny One Ball]

Tim Horner

[xrodmuc316]

Cynical and trash

The old Seth Rollins "let's compare bank accounts and see who's a better wrestler" play. Terrible.

You guys clearly missed my point. It all depends on how you clarify what best means.

I used dollars earned as an example that without set guidelines you can use whatever you want. We can say so and so is best because of this or that.

Truth is, unlike the women thread, there is far too big of a talent pool of male wrestlers to narrow it down to anything outside of say a top 15 without a specific order.

Lesnar, Cody, Okada, Rollins, Styles, Bryan, Omega, Jericho, Ospreay, Reigns, Orton, Pac, Cole, Keith freaking Lee.

That's not even counting the guys who have been or could still be like Kenta, Nakamura, Balor, etc.

[Destor]

Being better isnt judged by how much you make. Its how much people spend on you. Thats how you know youre over.

[Destor]

If tickets dont sell and your merch doesnt move you aint over

[Destor]

And if you cant get over you arent the best

[Phenomenal 1]

"Outlandish" Zicky Dice

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[Sepholio]

How many tickets and how much merch is Brock moving? Because ticket sales are dwindling, network numbers are dwindling, RAW has the weaker ratings of the 2 big shows, and the last numbers I could find don't have Brock cracking the top 20 (couldn't find a list showing past 20) in WWE merchandise sales.

[Sepholio]

Aka Brock isn't over and he doesn't draw anymore.

[Ultra Mantis]

You guys clearly missed my point. It all depends on how you clarify what best means.

I used dollars earned as an example that without set guidelines you can use whatever you want. We can say so and so is best because of this or that.

Truth is, unlike the women thread, there is far too big of a talent pool of male wrestlers to narrow it down to anything outside of say a top 15 without a specific order.

Lesnar, Cody, Okada, Rollins, Styles, Bryan, Omega, Jericho, Ospreay, Reigns, Orton, Pac, Cole, Keith freaking Lee.

That's not even counting the guys who have been or could still be like Kenta, Nakamura, Balor, etc.

Does it impact your enjoyment of a match knowing how much a wrestler is getting paid? Are the guys on the biggest contracts the only ones you want to watch? Is alleged 700k a year Riddick Moss better than Tomohiro Ishii by any logic?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Great discussion guys! Keep it up!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't see the need to jump on xrod. He's just saying Brock has the business by the balls. There's something to that.

[Bad News Gertner]

Shawn Stasiak

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Fucking loved Planet Stasiak. That gimmick was fantastic.

[Bad News Gertner]

NwSI9eolH-I

A license to print money. Totally owns Eddie Guerrero in this backstage segment.

[xrodmuc316]

Does it impact your enjoyment of a match knowing how much a wrestler is getting paid? Are the guys on the biggest contracts the only ones you want to watch? Is alleged 700k a year Riddick Moss better than Tomohiro Ishii by any logic?

NOOOOOOO! The point was how is best defined. It was a nonsense response to prove that it is hard narrow it down because what constitutes best. IF, and it's a BIG IF, but IF one were to make the argument that highest paid equals the best, that would mean Brock Lesnar.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Being paid can be an indicator, if not necessarily the best or most accurate one, of someone's worth. Brock isn't getting paid $12 million because he sucks.

[Jordan]

I would say Okada in a landslide. Others worth talking about are Ospeay, Naito, Jericho & Omega.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Being better isnt judged by how much you make. Its how much people spend on you. Thats how you know youre over.

IMO this is a far better metric the XRods.

[xrodmuc316]

IMO this is a far better metric the XRods.

SMH

[Supreme Olajuwon]

SMH

Ah yes, Stephanie McMahon Helmsley. By your metric of who makes the most money, Stephanie would probably be considered the best wrestler in the world.

But there is a separate thread for female wrestlers so you probably should’ve posted this in there.

[Fignuts]

IMO this is a far better metric the XRods.

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[Verbose Minch]

How many tickets and how much merch is Brock moving? Because ticket sales are dwindling, network numbers are dwindling, RAW has the weaker ratings of the 2 big shows, and the last numbers I could find don't have Brock cracking the top 20 (couldn't find a list showing past 20) in WWE merchandise sales.

Brock doesn't appear week to week, I don't think it's fair to pin ratings on him. Same with merch given his stuff sucks shit.

Shouldn't Lynch and Rollins be to blame? They're supposed to be the leaders

[Sepholio]

Oh, they are all to blame, but people always give credit to the champ/"top draw" when the ratings/sales are doing good so they deserve just as much credit when everything is tanking.

And tbf basically all WWE merch sucks shit.

[Bad News Gertner]

The brand draws , not the individual wrestler.

[Verbose Minch]

Oh, they are all to blame, but people always give credit to the champ/"top draw" when the ratings/sales are doing good so they deserve just as much credit when everything is tanking.

And tbf basically all WWE merch sucks shit.

Okay fair, just wanted to clarify

99% of it does, yeah. That Lynch one with the Japanese shit on it is probably the only one I'd buy, island) and I don't even like her

[Sepholio]

The brand draws , not the individual wrestler.

Since when do we not talk about the drawing power of individual wrestlers?

[Sepholio]

Okay fair, just wanted to clarify

99% of it does, yeah. That Lynch one with the Japanese shit on it is probably the only one I'd buy, island) and I don't even like her

I haven't gotten any WWE merch in years. The last one I probably bought was a football jersey style Tazz shirt nearly 20 years ago. I do have a couple bad ass AEW shirts though because they have a few decent ones to choose from.

[Seanny One Ball]

I had a Smackdown Hotel shirt that my mum got me for doing well at school. Also that sweet Aggression album.

[Sepholio]

Yea those old WWE albums were the boobs

[Seanny One Ball]

I remember that fucknut from the Wrestling With Regret YouTube channel slagged that Aggression album off big time and I got pretty pissed off.
Then he dissed Corny and I unsubscribed.

What a jabroni.

[Sepholio]

I miss WWE having awesome mixes done by real bands for entrance music. Like when Finger Eleven did Slow Chemical for Kane. And the Our Lady Peace theme for Benoit was incredible.

[Seanny One Ball]

Just found out that Kurt Angle's theme came from The Patriot originally.
I like it when I watch old matches and notice stuff like that. Val Venis and Rick Martell shared one too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Shawn Stasiak is only 50 this year. Still a chance for him to become the second youngest AEW World Champion ever.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Just found out that Kurt Angle's theme came from The Patriot originally.
I like it when I watch old matches and notice stuff like that. Val Venis and Rick Martell shared one too.

I remember a cavalcade of jobbers in WCW using what eventually became Goldberg’s music.

[Seanny One Ball]

Jobbers that he then squashed in 30 seconds while their old/his new music played.