Who is on your Mount Rushmore of WWE Female Superstars

[Bad News Gertner]

Strictly Wrestlers. You can count Sable and Steph. Elizabeth and Sunny not eligible.

Someone posted this in a facebook group I'm in and it's WAY harder picking 4 female Superstars than it is male.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wendi Richter, Sable, Trish Stratus and Charlotte Flair

Someone from Rock 'n' Wrestling, someone from the Attitude era, someone from that attempt to turn Divas into wrestlers and someone from the post-Divas presentation.

[Jordan]

Chyna, Charlotte, Becky, Trish

[Bad News Gertner]

I'd go

Wendi
Chyna
Trish
Moolah

Hard leaving out names like Madusa, Beth Phoenix, Charlotte, Becky and Lita

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd go

Wendi
Chyna
Trish
Charlotte

Hard leaving out names like Madusa, Beth Phoenix and Lita. Plus you have Moolah who you can make a case for and against

Very close to my list. I considered Moolah for a bit, just because of significance, good and bad. I didn't consider Beth at all though. Is there a reason she made your shortlist?

[Bad News Gertner]

4 time champion and 3 of those 4 were pretty long reigns. She held that division together for a long long time and was far ahead of her peers during that era. Came along 10-15 years too early.

[Lock Jaw]

Nikki Bella
Brie Bella
Eva Marie
Kelly Kelly

[Bad News Gertner]

Eva Marie could have been the biggest heel in Women's wrestling if she didn't quit.

[Destor]

Moolah, Sable, Trish Richter

[Destor]

And moolah is non negotiable. Her impact is inarguable. Moralizing who's an alltime great is idiotic. She had the career she had; its irrelevant of any dealings outside the ring. The cosby show remains an all time great sitcom. Michael Jackson is still the king of pop. 2 slave owners are on the ACTUAL mt Rushmore.



Moolah is in.

[DrA]

Why Sable over Chyna for those of you who are going with Sable as your "Attitude Era" pick

[Lock Jaw]

She showed boobs

[Destor]

Sable drew money. Her segments had austin level ratings on many occasions. Her merch was just as competitive.

[Destor]

She showed boobsboth showed their tits. Sadly only one did porn...

[Destor]

Sable was a huge part of the WWFs success in the late 90s but more over Sable is the reason a womens division became a staple. the title was brought back as a prop for sable and women were hired and built up to give her stuff to do



Without her Trish and the work she did to legitimize womens wrestling in the states would have never occured. Sables impact dwarfs chynas.

[Destor]

If i were to bump anyone from my list for chyna it would be trish before sable and any rushmore without trish is as incomplete as one without moolah

[Destor]

I suppose I'll defend Richter too while im here. The optics of Richter are symbiotic in Hogans mainstream success. Rock n wrestling is a big part of his history and her ability to bridge the gap into the MTV audience cannot be undersold. Those eyeballs that she garnered translated into a generation of wrestling fans. Many of which where the same viewers in the late 90s just older.

[Destor]

Trish is the GoaT and needs no defense.

[Fignuts]

In terms of the impact they had on WWE, my thoughts echo Destor's.

[Mr. Nerfect]

4 time champion and 3 of those 4 were pretty long reigns. She held that division together for a long long time and was far ahead of her peers during that era. Came along 10-15 years too early.

Completely agree about her being too early. Just surprised to see her make your four, I guess, haha.


Destor is right on all counts. I’m probably being too cerebral with Moolah and cutting her for revisionist “What was she really worth?” thinking.

[Bad News Gertner]

I suppose I'll defend Richter too while im here. The optics of Richter are symbiotic in Hogans mainstream success. Rock n wrestling is a big part of his history and her ability to bridge the gap into the MTV audience cannot be undersold. Those eyeballs that she garnered translated into a generation of wrestling fans. Many of which where the same viewers in the late 90s just older.

I've watched pretty much all available 1984 WWF footage and Wendi's importance to the success of WWF's expansion is grossly understated.

[Bad News Gertner]

Completely agree about her being too early. Just surprised to see her make your four, I guess, haha.


Destor is right on all counts. I’m probably being too cerebral with Moolah and cutting her for revisionist “What was she really worth?” thinking.

Beth didn't make my 4, but she's an Honorable Mention

[Bad News Gertner]

Sable was a huge part of the WWFs success in the late 90s but more over Sable is the reason a womens division became a staple. the title was brought back as a prop for sable and women were hired and built up to give her stuff to do



Without her Trish and the work she did to legitimize womens wrestling in the states would have never occured. Sables impact dwarfs chynas.


Sable's segments were guaranteed ratings draws. Can't deny that.

[Bad News Gertner]

And moolah is non negotiable. Her impact is inarguable. Moralizing who's an alltime great is idiotic. She had the career she had; its irrelevant of any dealings outside the ring. The cosby show remains an all time great sitcom. Michael Jackson is still the king of pop. 2 slave owners are on the ACTUAL mt Rushmore.



Moolah is in.

Yeah I really should have factored all the female talent that came out of Moolah's camp as well.

I'll put Moolah in and take out Charlotte.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Moolah, Sheri, Lita, Chyna

Shitty list but this is impossible.

[Zeeboe]

Sunny, Chyna, Nicole Bass and Goldust.

[xrodmuc316]

AJ Lee, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair, Stephanie McMahon.

[Destor]

AJ Lee, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair, Stephanie McMahon.
I would like to hear your reasons (not to debate theyre your picks; im just genuinely curious(

[Ruien]

Trish, Chyna, Moolah, Charlotte

[Lock Jaw]

In my serious answer.... gonna leave off Moolah and Richter, because while the arguments for them sound good.... I don't really know them.... so I guess this list is more "personal experiences" rather than "objective".


Sable
Trish
AJ Lee
Charlotte Flair

[Lock Jaw]

Wasn't really a fan of Sable, but I can admit the ratings she brought, and it is a good point that the belt was brought back for her, so she kind of kicked off the entire "modern era".

Trish because she began to actually legitimize the division and the belt for a number of years. Also because she was involved in a storyline with Christian. *shifty eyes*

I picked AJ Lee because it seemed like the "divas division" post-Trish had just sunk back down into murky depths again.... I feel like it was AJ Lee who really started to pull it out and really spark off the current emphasis on women's wrestling.

If AJ Lee is the one who lit the spark, then Charlotte Flair is the one to carry the torch. So many historic firsts for women, bazillion time champion... Much as I love Becky Lynch, she would not have got as over without a Charlotte Flair to work against.

[xrodmuc316]

I would like to hear your reasons (not to debate theyre your picks; im just genuinely curious(

I tried to pick not just based on in ring accomplishments.

AJ Lee - Before she even had her successful championship run, she was a big part of a lot of storylines, and worked aside main event men. She was the GM of Raw, was certainly the one who stood out as the best female during the beginning of the Total Divas era, and after her successful run when WWE tried to go back to 2 minute "diva matches" the #givedivasachance came about. As much as WWE ignores it, or tries to portray Paige as the kickstarter of the Evolution, it was AJ. This was my hardest pick, hence the long explanation.

Becky Lynch - She is the only female to truly ascend to face of the company level of superstardom. She was the easiest pick.

Charlotte Flair - She is the John Cena of the women's division. Just by the sheer amount of accolades WWE has given her for 5+ years going back to NXT, it's impossible to leave her off.

Stephanie McMahon - While she rarely wrestles, she has contributed more to the storylines over the last 2 decades+ than any 3 females combined.

As much as others accomplished prior to AJ Lee, it's hard for me to say they should be included when WWE themselves never gave any of them a shot at being an equal part of the show for any sustained amount of time.

[Bad News Gertner]

I never got the fascination with AJ Lee in any way

[Fignuts]

She was a hot nerd who was actually fairly talented during the abysmal divas period. I don’t think her impact was significant though. The whole divas revolution would have kicked off regardless.

[Savio]

She was the best female wrestler of her era.

[Seanny One Ball]

Moolah
Alundra Blayze
Trish
Steph

[Seanny One Ball]

I don't know any women after 2003

[Lock Jaw]

I think through her stories with the men, people actually cared about her, so then when she got involved in the actual women's division, people once again started to care about it. For the first time since Trish, there were actual stories and feuds that kind of meant something.

[Fignuts]

She was the best female wrestler of her era.

I could have been the best female wrestler of that era. It’s not an impressive achievement.

[xrodmuc316]

She was a hot nerd who was actually fairly talented during the abysmal divas period. I don’t think her impact was significant though. The whole divas revolution would have kicked off regardless.

You are probably right, but somebody was going to kick it off, and it was her. Somebody else mentioned that when other females had good runs, when the runs ended it quickly would go back to random quick nothing segments, and nobody cared.

When WWE tried to do that after AJ, the fans shit on WWE to the point they immediately changed the direction of the entire company. If AJ Lee wasn't so good in her role, it wouldn't have been such a quick course correction.

AJ was never my favorite, but I think the "Mount Rushmore" discussion is based on importance and accolades more than just who are our personal favorites.

I would say only Becky makes my personal favorite 4 out of the 4 I picked above, but I don't see anybody more important.

[Bad News Gertner]

She was the best female wrestler of her era.

Point to a good AJ Lee match. It doesn't exist.

[Bad News Gertner]

And Kaitlyn was much better than AJ Lee

[Savio]

Good compared to WWE history or good compared to the Divas division in 2013? Point to a better womens match in her era.

She was a good female wrestler in 2013-2014.

[Savio]

And Kaitlyn was much better than AJ Lee
Kaitlyn and AJ had their best matches together.

[Savio]

I wouldn't even put her in my top 4, just explaining why people like her.

[Lock Jaw]

Point to a good AJ Lee match. It doesn't exist.

I quite enjoyed the AJ Lee vs. Paige feud..... I think there might have been a good match or two in there, but really, who can remember?

[Savio]

AJ/Punk/Bryan/Kane storyline was my fav part of 2013 (Mostly due to Bryan)

[Black Widow]

Trish

Sherrie

Lita

Chyna

More recent Becky and Charlotte are about it.

[Lock Jaw]

Are you no longer AJ Lee's?!

[Bad News Gertner]

I quite enjoyed the AJ Lee vs. Paige feud..... I think there might have been a good match or two in there, but really, who can remember?

That's what I mean. I can point to a good Beth Phoenix match or a good Mickie James match. I can't point to a good AJ Lee match.

[Black Widow]

Are you no longer AJ Lee's?!I liked her just don't think she compares to the others i named.

[Lock Jaw]

That's what I mean. I can point to a good Beth Phoenix match or a good Mickie James match. I can't point to a good AJ Lee match.

I liked Beth and Mickie but I couldn't. I can say like with AJ Lee/Paige that there were probably moments/matches that were good, but who remembers.

[Bad News Gertner]

Beth got a great match out of friggen Candice Michelle of all people at Unforgiven 07

[xrodmuc316]

Beth got a great match out of friggen Candice Michelle of all people at Unforgiven 07

Candice Michelle was the perfect mix of so bad she was good. The voice, her dancing, her wand gimmick, just awesome.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Beth didn't make my 4, but she's an Honorable Mention

Ah shit, sorry, that was just me misspeaking. What's your favorite Beth Phoenix match? To be honest, I always liked her and felt like she could be "more."

That's what I mean. I can point to a good Beth Phoenix match or a good Mickie James match. I can't point to a good AJ Lee match.

Mickie James was great too. When she came along in 2005/2006, I thought she was the right combination of sex appeal and talent. I completely bought into that crazy bitch act. Trish vs. Mickie was my favorite build to WrestleMania 22, not going to lie, just because it felt like it was the right two people fighting each other. Every other match, to my nerd brain, felt bumped by Triple H taking the main event and marred by horrible booking.

AJ Lee is someone I liked at the time, mainly because I bought into her being good. I can't remember one good match she had except with Kaitlyn though (who actually seemed to get more over too). I got so annoyed by her OTT skipping gimmick though. It's kind of funny to hear her diss Nikki Bella by suggesting that talent isn't sexually transmitted.

Paige exposed herself on the main roster too.

Someone I always liked, but haven't exactly revisited the work of is Victoria. I liked her as the crazy bitch with Stevie Richards as the man servant with the Tatu music. Weird to think Nikki Minaj did the vocals on her later theme. Weird that the WWE have kind of swept her under the rug. That just can't be because a sex tape of her leaked.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wish I could have seen more of Molly Holly, Ivory and Jazz too. They all got their turns in WWE, but it was 2002/2003. Didn't Jazz have something of a really good match in the NWA within the past few years?

[slik]

Ronda
Becky I guess
Charlotte
Asuka

[Bad News Gertner]

I wish I could have seen more of Molly Holly, Ivory and Jazz too. They all got their turns in WWE, but it was 2002/2003. Didn't Jazz have something of a really good match in the NWA within the past few years?

I never thought Ivory was any good. Molly and Jazz were great


Molly Holly about a year in wrestling. Found this on my WCW 98 Worldwide watch

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[Destor]

That very well might have been her tv debut. Lot of little things someone who's worked tv would know not to do. Very green. You can see her talent though.

[xrodmuc316]

Just thinking about a few favorites over the years.

Kaitlyn I loved, so much so that I actually tuned in live to the Mae Young classic when she returned. She is only 33, they should bring her back!

Melina was another one I was a big fan of. Her whole presentation was fun.

Maryse, the perfect combo of drop dead gorgeous mixed with arrogance and goofy funny.

And though not very good in the ring, Ashley Massaro (RIP) was different enough from the rest of the female roster in that she had that punk rock edge, that she certainly stood out in a good way.

Honorable mention, Dawn Marie was, well I can't really remember anything she did in WWE other than marry and kill Al Wilson, but she was so good during that run, I am counting it!

[Bad News Gertner]

That very well might have been her tv debut. Lot of little things someone who's worked tv would know not to do. Very green. You can see her talent though.

Her and Hosaka had a Worldwide match three months earlier. This would have been her second one.

[Frank Drebin]

Not saying they belong but no one mentioning fan favs like Kong or Gail Kim.

I fall into the category of those who liked AJ but like Gertner said, I couldn't think of a good match of hers. I can think of a massively underrated Eve Torres / Kaitlin match on raw. Think it was Eve's last. Sorry AJ.

[Bad News Gertner]

Eve Torres had gotten pretty good by the time she left

[Bad News Gertner]

Ah shit, sorry, that was just me misspeaking. What's your favorite Beth Phoenix match? To be honest, I always liked her and felt like she could be "more." .

TLC in 2010 Nattie and Beth vs LayCool in a Tables match is my favourite

Her and Nattie had a great match on Smackdown in like 2012 that I remember thinking it was really good

She had a really good match with Kelly Kelly at SummerSlam 2011

[xrodmuc316]

Eve Torres had gotten pretty good by the time she left

Also another drop dead gorgeous female who did not just rely on her looks, but worked her butt off to get good. She is very much underrated.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eve Torres left just as it felt like she was about to enter that Trish zone.

[Seanny One Ball]

She was until she wrestled, then the wheels fell off pretty quick and all the ugliness followed

[Destor]

tbf playboy killed her draw. once we saw it all there was nowhere to go from there

[Droford]

After I decided not to include Moolah or Mae in this even though they probably should be) this was actually fairly easy

Trish
Lita
Natalya
Charlotte

Chyna is the #5 just miss, her career with WWE was too short though especially compared to Nattie. I also sort of considered Mickie James.

[Seanny One Ball]

Moolah
Alundra Blayze
Trish
Steph


Replace Alundra with Sherri.

Sherri was more important and I forgot her entirely like an asshole.

[Emeye]

Trish Stratus
Charlotte Flair
Chyna

Having trouble with the 4th. For me personally, I'd choose Lita, but I feel like Moolah has to be mentioned.

[xrodmuc316]

Not saying they belong but no one mentioning fan favs like Kong or Gail Kim.

I fall into the category of those who liked AJ but like Gertner said, I couldn't think of a good match of hers. I can think of a massively underrated Eve Torres / Kaitlin match on raw. Think it was Eve's last. Sorry AJ.

As far as their WWE careers, Kong laughed and got pregnant, Gail Kim quit on live tv. Not really Impactful WWE performers for WWE's Mount Rushmore.