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slik
09-14-2020, 07:58 PM
here's a raw thread

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 08:08 PM
Show starting off with a bummer due to Ziggy replacing Samoa Joe on commentary this week.

Guess Tom Phillips' vacation break is longer than a week since Cole is also on commentary again.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 08:14 PM
Lee vs. Drew for the WWE title at Clash of Champs sounds interesting which is why its probably not happening since no way Orton is getting dropped from that title match.

Probably going to end up being a 3-way instead considering WWE's recent habit with non-finishes and shenanigans to end matches.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 08:31 PM
Street Profits vs. Cesaro & Nakamura was pretty good overall.

Even though its only been 30 minutes into the show, Ziggy sort of sucks on commentary.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 08:45 PM
The Ghost of Charlotte must have suddenly possessed Ricochet since he almost completely missed hitting Cedric with that moonsault to the outside.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 08:51 PM
That Lumbar Check by Cedric was amazing.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oooooh my God, one of the greatest Lumbar Check's I have ever seen. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/bG1pkSlSML">pic.twitter.com/bG1pkSlSML</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta1) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta1/status/1305670744232337409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 08:54 PM
Retribution might be the lamest outsider group in the history of wrestling.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 09:16 PM
Well that was weird. Either the ref botched the finish or the camera guy screwed up getting the tapping out spot.

RAW Women's title match was very good though.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 09:20 PM
Zelina Vega being Asuka's next title challenger is a bit interesting.

Andrade can probably kiss goodbye any chance he's ever getting a good push on RAW again since Vega just dumped both him and Garza.

RAW is almost half over and its actually been good so far outside of Ziggy's commentary work and Retribution's segment.

slik
09-14-2020, 09:23 PM
Well that was weird. Either the ref botched the finish or the camera guy screwed up getting the tapping out spot.

RAW Women's title match was very good though.

weird


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What the hell, lol <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/q6dgcoFIiF">pic.twitter.com/q6dgcoFIiF</a></p>&mdash; GIFSkull IV - Banned Soon Due to False DMCA Spam (@GifSkullIV) <a href="https://twitter.com/GifSkullIV/status/1305677310687809537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 09:28 PM
:eek: WWE actually using Erik despite Ivar being hurt.

Usually WWE treats tag wrestlers as persona non grata whenever their tag partners go down with injuries.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 09:31 PM
weird


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What the hell, lol <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/q6dgcoFIiF">pic.twitter.com/q6dgcoFIiF</a></p>&mdash; GIFSkull IV - Banned Soon Due to False DMCA Spam (@GifSkullIV) <a href="https://twitter.com/GifSkullIV/status/1305677310687809537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That face Mickie gave after the bell rang makes it seem like that really was a ref botch.

Doesn't seem like she got hurt from the roll-up and he might have over reacted thinking she was legit hurt.

slik
09-14-2020, 09:37 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We back to 2012, it's the RAW Supershow. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/OKhtzgCwHJ">pic.twitter.com/OKhtzgCwHJ</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1305681864854831105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik
09-14-2020, 09:45 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As WWE have built a roof inside the Amway Center for the ThunderDome, the steel cage has to be built onto the ring, side by side.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERAW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERAW</a> <a href="https://t.co/alGositMYR">pic.twitter.com/alGositMYR</a></p>&mdash; Gary Cassidy (@WrestlingGary) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingGary/status/1305683132214116352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 09:48 PM
:lol: at this R-Truth and Liv Morgan KitKat ad

slik
09-14-2020, 09:52 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They just switched Dolph from MVP mid-show. Tf is going on? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/rDKee3FLxy">pic.twitter.com/rDKee3FLxy</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1305684676250611712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 10:03 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They just switched Dolph from MVP mid-show. Tf is going on? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/rDKee3FLxy">pic.twitter.com/rDKee3FLxy</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1305684676250611712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good since Ziggy was pretty bad on commentary and was like a shittier version of Byron Saxton's commentary style.

This whole show has felt a bit odd in terms of layout and pacing. Like them desperately trying to counter-program the season debut of Monday Night Football.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 10:05 PM
:lol: at Rey sneaking into the cage when Rollins wasn't looking after the match.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 10:10 PM
If these RAW Underground segments don't lead to a revival of Brawl for All or the debut of a "shoot fighting" title belt soon then this whole experiment has been a huge waste of time.

slik
09-14-2020, 10:27 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/wweraw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#wweraw</a> Murphy auditioning for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/darkorder?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#darkorder</a> <a href="https://t.co/wT1PRAkg1z">pic.twitter.com/wT1PRAkg1z</a></p>&mdash; Jesse (@WhatblockRoss) <a href="https://twitter.com/WhatblockRoss/status/1305688720029384710?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 10:28 PM
Owens needing Retribution shenanigans to beat Black was a bit dumb.

Also guess WWE is right back to have an actual on-screen Authority figure for their main roster shows since Adam Pearce's role grew tonight. Not only was he making matches and barking orders to security like before, now he's threatening punishments to those who don't listen to his orders. Only a matter of time before he gets drunk with power since that almost always happens with WWE authority figures.

slik
09-14-2020, 10:32 PM
New gear for Aleister

Keith Lee in a singlet now

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 10:37 PM
How is Lana still that bad in the ring?

WWE has a Performance Center, a ton of trainers, and a bunch of great to good women wrestlers to help her get better with ring work and she still hasn't improved at all over the years.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 10:46 PM
:| WWE title match at Clash of Champs being an Ambulance match.

slik
09-14-2020, 10:51 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is an overview of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> Roster.<br><br>There is legit only ONE tag team now with Ivar out with an injury. <br><br>The yellow is those who are off TV due to injury/other (Robert Roode is off TV, but not injured). <a href="https://t.co/wLedKcYS7P">pic.twitter.com/wLedKcYS7P</a></p>&mdash; Brian Fernandes (@BrianFPro) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrianFPro/status/1305700268227670017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 10:52 PM
Considering the amount of times Keith Lee has changed his attire so far, WWE really has no clue what look they want for Lee's entrance and wrestling gear.

Never should have put their grubby hands all over his entrance theme and look from NXT since that was already good as is.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 10:58 PM
:lol: I knew this Lee vs. Drew match wasn't going to end cleanly since no way was Orton getting dropped from the WWE title match.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is an overview of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> Roster.<br><br>There is legit only ONE tag team now with Ivar out with an injury. <br><br>The yellow is those who are off TV due to injury/other (Robert Roode is off TV, but not injured). <a href="https://t.co/wLedKcYS7P">pic.twitter.com/wLedKcYS7P</a></p>&mdash; Brian Fernandes (@BrianFPro) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrianFPro/status/1305700268227670017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

WWE's tag divisions really could use some fresh new blood from NXT despite whatever resistance and ego Triple H has over his NXT brand.

xrodmuc316
09-14-2020, 10:59 PM
This retribution shit is so dumb. It's a garbage rehash of Nexus, without building them up for three months on their own show first.

Emperor Smeat
09-14-2020, 11:00 PM
Holy shit, this cam work during the Retribution ambush and Hurt Business brawl is atrocious even by WWE standards.

:lol: at Keith Lee taking the whole group out with one attack.

That might have been the dumbest ending to RAW in a while.

RAW itself was mostly good but mainly due to the first half of the show being very good in quality.

slik
09-14-2020, 11:15 PM
What in the actual fuck


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RETRIBUTION is here!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/WkDVun3v6x">pic.twitter.com/WkDVun3v6x</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1305702407930814465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

xrodmuc316
09-14-2020, 11:37 PM
What in the actual fuck


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RETRIBUTION is here!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/WkDVun3v6x">pic.twitter.com/WkDVun3v6x</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1305702407930814465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Honestly, Kevin Dunn must never actually watch the footage after the fact. There is no way he can see that and think it's good.

Droford
09-14-2020, 11:43 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They just switched Dolph from MVP mid-show. Tf is going on? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/rDKee3FLxy">pic.twitter.com/rDKee3FLxy</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1305684676250611712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think he said damn a few too many times

Droford
09-14-2020, 11:54 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As WWE have built a roof inside the Amway Center for the ThunderDome, the steel cage has to be built onto the ring, side by side.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERAW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERAW</a> <a href="https://t.co/alGositMYR">pic.twitter.com/alGositMYR</a></p>&mdash; Gary Cassidy (@WrestlingGary) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingGary/status/1305683132214116352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wonder how they'll do Hell in a Cell

Droford
09-15-2020, 11:00 AM
Honestly, Kevin Dunn must never actually watch the footage after the fact. There is no way he can see that and think it's good.

I think he's trying to convey that youre watching pandemonium and chaos happening.

Remember when retribution attacked SD once and they had the high camera angle and it sort of looked like security cam footage and it felt weird watching

Emperor Smeat
09-15-2020, 09:04 PM
According to PWI, the reason for the weird finish in the RAW Women's title match was due to the ref thinking Mickie James suffered a legit injury.

The original planned finish was for James to tap out to Asuka's submission but because of the awkward way she rolled over into submission the spot, the ref thought she hurt herself and called for the match to be off.

As viewers of Monday Night Raw may have easily realized, the finish of Mickie James vs. Asuka did not go as planned last night.

The planned finish was for James to tap out to the Asuka Lock but the bell was rung prematurely while James and Asuka were grappling with James selling Asuka trying to lock her in a submission hold.

PWInsider.com has been told by numerous sources that the decision was made to ring the bell out of concern that James might actually have been out on her feet due to the way she was selling the move.

We are told James was actually fine and just did such an excellent job of selling that she was out of it that she fooled those overseeing the match, including the referee. We have heard different versions of who called for the finish, but the decison was made that the match be stopped out of concern for James, who was actually fine.

XL
09-16-2020, 05:20 PM
There’s plenty they can do with the Tag Division tbf.

Rollins & Murphy
Rey & Dominik
Cedric & Shelton
Ricochet & Crews or Ali
Roode & Ziggler
Andrade & Garza (sans Vega)

They’re not teams in the traditional sense like The Profits or Raiders but they have enough ties in storylines for them to work.

XL
09-16-2020, 05:22 PM
WWE's tag divisions really could use some fresh new blood from NXT despite whatever resistance and ego Triple H has over his NXT brand.
Who would you even bring up?

Emperor Smeat
09-16-2020, 05:28 PM
Probably can scratch off Rollins & Murphy and Garza & Andrade from that list based on this week's episode.

Same for scratching off Roode & Ziggy since Roode is stuck in Canada until the coronavirus travel restrictions get lifted.


Who would you even bring up?

Undisputed Era and Oney Lorcan & Danny Burch as two teams off the top of my head that either have done all they could do in NXT (UE) or could potentially be used better on the main roster (Lorcan & Burch).

xrodmuc316
09-16-2020, 07:00 PM
According to PWI, the reason for the weird finish in the RAW Women's title match was due to the ref thinking Mickie James suffered a legit injury.

The original planned finish was for James to tap out to Asuka's submission but because of the awkward way she rolled over into submission the spot, the ref thought she hurt herself and called for the match to be off.

Mickie James is so good at her job, and this is further proof. I hope she gets another title run.

XL
09-17-2020, 03:26 AM
Probably can scratch off Rollins & Murphy and Garza & Andrade from that list based on this week's episode.

Same for scratching off Roode & Ziggy since Roode is stuck in Canada until the coronavirus travel restrictions get lifted.

You can easily write simple storylines to keep both teams together: Rollins’ beat down of Murphy just brings him even more under The Messiah’s spell. Andrade/Garza put their differences aside to prove they don’t need Vega and can do better without her.

Ideal? No, but I wouldn’t have necessarily split them in the first place with the dearth of tag teams on Raw.

Undisputed Era and Oney Lorcan & Danny Burch as two teams off the top of my head that either have done all they could do in NXT (UE) or could potentially be used better on the main roster (Lorcan & Burch).

I don’t know if they’d want to split the UE up, or bring them to Raw collectively at this point. They’re clearly laying the groundwork for a split between Cole and the rest of the group but they haven’t told that story in full yet and I don’t think they’d bring in UE in full with Retribution around.

What in the last 20 years makes you think Lorcan & Burch would be used better on the main roster? :lol: