Stranger Things (season 4)

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Robert Englund aka Victor Creel is a disturbed and intimidating man who is imprisoned in a psychiatric hospital for a gruesome murder in the 1950s. <a href="https://t.co/QsuaGTVqDf">pic.twitter.com/QsuaGTVqDf</a></p>&mdash; Stranger Things (@Stranger_Things) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things/status/1329818174209089536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

they also announced 7 more new characters but this was the coolest one to me!

[Kalyx triaD]

Nice add.

[M-A-G]

I literally walked away from the first season moderately impressed and never looked back.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">welcome to the creel house <a href="https://t.co/y3qB2AVuxk">pic.twitter.com/y3qB2AVuxk</a></p>&mdash; Stranger Things (@Stranger_Things) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things/status/1441800536714473473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Lock Jaw]

Mmmmmmm... cereal house.....

[Kalyx triaD]

Haunted house, eh? May's well.

[slik]

Based on some things I've read about season 4, it's definitely going to be the biggest budget season yet (and not just because of the cast but the special effects).

At the end of season 3, The Byers moved out of Hawkins and Hopper was in a Russian prison, so I'm curious to see what happens there. There are seemingly a lot of new characters this season as the gang enters high school. Stranger Things social media have been heavily promoting something called "The Hellfire Club" too, which many seem to think is a D&D group of some kind.

Setting seems to be 1986 this time around.

[Tom Guycott]

Based on some things I've read about season 4, it's definitely going to be the biggest budget season yet (and not just because of the cast but the special effects).

At the end of season 3, The Byers moved out of Hawkins and Hopper was in a Russian prison, so I'm curious to see what happens there. There are seemingly a lot of new characters this season as the gang enters high school. Stranger Things social media have been heavily promoting something called "The Hellfire Club" too, which many seem to think is a D&D group of some kind.

Setting seems to be 1986 this time around.

Stranger Things to the MCU confirmed!

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">we're gonna have the best spring break ever. <a href="https://t.co/D6Xyx9VquE">pic.twitter.com/D6Xyx9VquE</a></p>&mdash; Stranger Things (@Stranger_Things) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things/status/1456984715462778884?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

Episode titles revealed

I googled Vecna and :yes: sounds very evil


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ST4 IS COMING <a href="https://t.co/PVNWvXICBp">pic.twitter.com/PVNWvXICBp</a></p>&mdash; Stranger Things (@Stranger_Things) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things/status/1457045115327762437?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[weather vane]

Can’t wait!!

[slik]

Season 4 part 1 - May 27
Season 4 part 2 - July 1


https://i.postimg.cc/7YrPw0XG/20220217-110137.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/05w5TcG1/20220217-110131.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Oh fuck I'm gonna cry am I?

[Lengua]

Is it going to be one long episode each or multiple episodes?

If multiple episodes I just don't see why they are making 2 parts that close together.

Edit: just scrolled up...duh.

Weird they are presenting this at 2 parts. I wonder of Netflix pushed for a date and they couldn't meet the target.

[XL]

Do they normally release the full season in one go? Guessing they weren’t gonna be in a position to release the full season.

[drave]

They did usually do the full season. Usually when a single series has two "parts" there is about a period of 3-6 months between them (see: The Walking Dead). Seems weird, but whatever I guess.


Maybe has something to do with Neflix subs being shit and getting people to re-sub across different months for content that can be binged in a single billing cycle?

[weather vane]

sko

[Swiss Ultimate]

I literally walked away from the first season moderately impressed and never looked back.

Good move. Season 3 was unbearable. 2 was just okay.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">it's almost time... <a href="https://t.co/TJrgbopLCj">pic.twitter.com/TJrgbopLCj</a></p>&mdash; Stranger Things (@Stranger_Things) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things/status/1513610820910997511?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

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[Lock Jaw]

Remembered to watch that trailer..... looks like things get crazy..... looking forward to Yelena and Natasha saving Hopper from Russian gulag.....

[Kalyx triaD]

Hope 11's sister comes back.

[Big Vic]

Hope it's not weak like season 3.

[Tom Guycott]

Remembered to watch that trailer..... looks like things get crazy..... looking forward to Yelena and Natasha saving Hopper from Russian gulag.....

But not before he fought Captain America.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">brenner: what have you done? <br>us: we’ve given you the first 8 min of season 4 AND the episode split announce. ⬇️ <br><br>ST4 Vol. 1. Seven Episodes. May 27th. ST4 Vol. 2. Two Episodes. July 1st. <a href="https://t.co/2svkoRAoh1">pic.twitter.com/2svkoRAoh1</a></p>&mdash; Stranger Things (@Stranger_Things) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things/status/1527665464352071680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Lock Jaw]

I heard that the final episode of the season is pretty much a 2.5 hour movie

[slik]

Just read that too

Still kind of odd to drop 7 eps and then wait for the final 2 eps...but I am guessing episode 8 is rather long as well...also just read each episode has a 30 million dollar budget this season so me thinks we're getting a lot of crazy action and big budget stuff.

[drave]

don't read about the Stranger Things 4 themed Monopoly game. It spoils MAJOR plot points on the board alone.

[weather vane]

First 8 mins on YouTube.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome to the Empire Strange Building <a href="https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stranger_Things</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/netflix?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@netflix</a> <a href="https://t.co/NbdbSfyVIA">pic.twitter.com/NbdbSfyVIA</a></p>&mdash; Empire State Building (@EmpireStateBldg) <a href="https://twitter.com/EmpireStateBldg/status/1529988464720203793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

WOOO ITS TIEMZ

[slik]

First two eps were really good, new character Eddie is going to be a viewer favorite for certain.

My early take on the big bad, Vecna, is he reminds me of Pinhead and Freddy Krueger. He seems pretty ruthless, which is a different kind of villain than the monsters they faced in the past.

[slik]

Just finished part 1/episode 7

No spoilers from me -- The finale is INSANE (I skipped some of the Russia stuff bc I was bored with it tbh). We finally get some answers about things. Episode 4 also has a really good ending.

[weather vane]

4 episodes in. Top notch as always.

[Savio]

1st episode was filled with dumb cliches hopefully this gets better

[Sepholio]

Savios a dumb a cliche~~

[Sepholio]

I just wanted to say I really love the whole 80s synth soundtrack this show has. Its wonderful shit. I want to vibe to 80s music all the time.

[slik]

yeah, 'running up a hill' has been stuck in my head since yesterday bc of this show

[Savio]

I love the HBK/Taker video of that

1st episode was filled with dumb cliches hopefully this gets better

Watched episode 2 the A story is getting better. 11s B story is so tropey and boring.

[Lock Jaw]

3 episodes in.... good stuff... enjoy this show a lot.... even with "tropey" elements....

[weather vane]

Love this show. So good. Can’t wait til July.

[Savio]

Episode 3 was very nice

[Sepholio]

Ok I've waited long enough. I need part 2 now.

[Big Vic]

Episode 3 was very nice

4 was cool too!

What if Max's fav song was highway to hell? lol.

[DaveWadding]

yeah, 'running up a hill' has been stuck in my head since yesterday bc of this show

They had Jungle Boy's theme during the skating rink part in episode 2, now can't get the "whoaaaa whoaaa whoaaaaaaaa" out of my head at all

[rez]

I suspected the orderly "Patrick" was 001 but he being Henry/Vecna was a total surprise

good shit.

[rez]

So much I'd like to discuss but without spoiler tags because they're annoying

[rez]

One shouldn't be too much of a spoiler. 008 and her unique power but I bet 001 has it, too based on a few scenes. Lotta fan theory about that one. I heard they kinda retconned the comics about unique powers.

Another one was El with her limited English. Probably trauma from a new scene and the power it took.

[rez]

First two eps were really good, new character Eddie is going to be a viewer favorite for certain.

My early take on the big bad, Vecna, is he reminds me of Pinhead and Freddy Krueger. He seems pretty ruthless, which is a different kind of villain than the monsters they faced in the past.

as you know by now Robert Englund is older Victor aka Patrick aka 001 aka Henry aka Vecna so it was geniussssss

Just thought it was time for someone to respond to yo post

[rez]

is Brennan still a bad guy at this point? El opening a rift when she banished Henry to the UD was likely the first seen

[rez]

This isn't an original theory but I've added to it. I don't think anything lived in the UD rift, except the Mind Flayer and maybe some of those bats/worms. Once Henry got thrown in by El, it got populated by Hawkins building terrain/buildings from 1983. Henry/V caused the next rifts with help from his interactions with El getting researched on

[rez]

deaths

I expect Jonathan might bite the bullet

[rez]

the Mind Flayor or whatever will go back to Will , since he'll be back in town.....

[rez]

Owens must have given Joyce a shit ton of money to relocate to Cali with a +1 kid.

[rez]

and money to fly out to Alaska/Russia

[Lock Jaw]

Just watched the fourth episode.... this show is so good.... characters look awkward as hayell now though due to the child actors growing up but still trying to present them as little kids....

[slik]

I thought it was very interesting in episode 7 that



the upside down did not look like hawkins until Peter/Vecna/Henry arrived there
also VERY curious to see how the upside down being stuck on the day Will arrived there will play into hings

[Big Vic]

Just watched the fourth episode.... this show is so good.... characters look awkward as hayell now though due to the child actors growing up but still trying to present them as little kids....

I forget his name but Argyle's friend looks like he's 30.

[ron the dial]

he's looked 30 since the first season

[wwe2222]

Owens must have given Joyce a shit ton of money to relocate to Cali with a +1 kid.

I thought it was implied that Hopper left her money

[rez]

I thought it was implied that Hopper left her money

ahh, you could be right.

[Kalyx triaD]

_ _ _ should have died, imo. 'Kid Team' has to take a hit at some point. Teen Team is almost certainly going to take a hit.

[Lock Jaw]

Damn at the end of episode 6.... want to watch the last one now but need to get to sleep and such...

Eleven's storylines in this show always the most boring.... except for the first season where she was good....

[drave]

the last one is 1:40 long. There's a LOT that happens.




Had a bout of insomnia Friday night and didn't sleep for nearly 29 hours. Managed to watch all but one episode there.

[Big Vic]

Damn at the end of episode 6.... want to watch the last one now but need to get to sleep and such...

Eleven's storylines in this show always the most boring.... except for the first season where she was good....

The group with Lucas is the most interesting, I wasn't super invested into the other storylines but none were bad aside from the highschool bully part.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Damn bummed I gotta wait till next month. Loved the villain’s origin. Makes a ton of sense. Honestly I like all the stories going on, with the bully one more likely being the least interesting to me simply because the El storyline picked up and gave us a huge reveal.

Can’t wait for the rematch.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Also fuck yeah for Murray being a bad ass

[drave]

Duuuude, that was some of the funniest shit, for real.


They definitely leaned a bit more into the comedic relief this go.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I’ve enjoyed every scene Murray has been in. He’s been tremendous all season.

[Lock Jaw]

Finished the last one and damn I want more....

I am dumb and didn't even put two and two together about Vecna affecting the whole upside-down.... was a cool reveal... I definitely felt it coming on that "nice orderly" was gonna be secretly evil, but didn't see him being Vecna and Victor Creel's son....

Feel like we are gonna get some real deep answers about the upside-down and its origins in this show before it is done.... not gonna be one of those shows that leaves a lot unanswered and loose plots.... we shall see....

Will be out of country when the final two episodes of the season drop....

[Frank Drebin]

RIP Lock Jaw

Died trying to cross the North Korean boarder to see the season finale of Stranger Things.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Finished the last one and damn I want more....

I am dumb and didn't even put two and two together about Vecna affecting the whole upside-down.... was a cool reveal... I definitely felt it coming on that "nice orderly" was gonna be secretly evil, but didn't see him being Vecna and Victor Creel's son....

Feel like we are gonna get some real deep answers about the upside-down and its origins in this show before it is done.... not gonna be one of those shows that leaves a lot unanswered and loose plots.... we shall see....

Will be out of country when the final two episodes of the season drop....

I think a lot will be revealed, including that the entire show and upside down has been building to this one giant finale. Just a few more weeks.

[slik]

I read an interview with the Duffer Bros where they said one that won't be revealed in the last two episodes



Why the Upside Down is stuck on the day Will got there. They said that reveal isn't coming until season 5.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, I didn't mean we would get all the answers by the end of this season, but by the end of the show...

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Wait is this not the last season?

[slik]

Wait is this not the last season?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="pt" dir="ltr">uoos noʎ ǝǝs <a href="https://t.co/pJ71dRgmo1">pic.twitter.com/pJ71dRgmo1</a></p>&mdash; Stranger Things (@Stranger_Things) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things/status/1494341147833122820?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[drave]

arent they treating the 2nd half of 4 as "5" tho?

[wwe2222]

There are only 2 ep left in session 4

[Lock Jaw]

arent they treating the 2nd half of 4 as "5" tho?

No.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Part of me is excited for a fifth season but part of is wanting the story to be over already and given what’s been revealed to this point I’m not sure where they could go with a fifth season.

[Lock Jaw]

I think the "upside-down" will get "rehabbed".... like maybe it was an ok place and Mind-Flayer was pretty chill until Vecna got there and "corrupted" everything....

[Big Vic]

It should have a Spider man :No way home" like ending where the villians get rehabed

[Frank Drebin]

Why did the mindflayer pump his goo into peoples mouths and not their butts and pussies?

[Frank Drebin]

Into throat pies?

[rez]

probably a time of peace with the time jump and then the Russians accidentally release the Upside Down creatures into the real world ala Stephen King's Mist.

[rez]

How many years will they jump? It's gotta be atleast 3'ish

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2047880/millie-bobby-brown.jpg

[rez]

The Upside Down's crazy timeline could be used to justify a time jump somehow.

[rez]

I think we'll get a D&D inspired boss way more powerful than both The Mind Flayer and Vecna. One or the other would be the SK's Man in Black to the Crimson King

[teamXtremist]

Really enjoyed it, but aside from the last episode, Vecna has been kinda disappointing.

[rez]

https://www.thegamer.com/powerful-monsters-dd-history/

Elder Titan?

[rez]

I could see it as being The Beholder. It's pretty iconic. The Ultima series called it an Elder/Gazer and it was in that pitiful D&D movie.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LET’S DO THIS. <br>st4 vol 2. july 1. only on Netflix. <a href="https://t.co/18lq9wxTbp">pic.twitter.com/18lq9wxTbp</a></p>&mdash; Stranger Things (@Stranger_Things) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things/status/1539246774715564035?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[teamXtremist]

Season 1 is still easily the best season. Followed in a distance second place by 4, then 3, then 50 feet of crap, then 2.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Murray with a flamethrower? Count me in.

[XL]

Nobody watched yet?

[slik]

Just finished!
That was amazing. Epic and Emotional. Wait until you see how it ends.


My guesses for the final season now:



Vickie and Mike/Nancy's mom will join the main character list.

That Army guy will still be after 11.

We'll finally find out why the upside down looked like Hawkins
AND
Why the UD is stuck on the day Will got there (my guess is those two things are related)

Based on the ending with the Upside Down starting to transform Hawkins....I can't even imagine the budget for season 5

[slik]

Other guesses for Season 5:



Perhaps Russia sends Dmitri/Yuri to help out in Hawkins as well

Maybe Victor Creel appears again




Also re-looking a the poster for the season

I thought it was 4 sections because it was the 4th season...but now we know it's divided into because 4 murders and 4 gates to let the Upside Down into Hawkins once and for all


https://i.postimg.cc/mDC8yG4q/4.jpg

[Frank Drebin]

Meh.

The only one who bit the dust was a guy that appeared for the first time this season?? If it wasn't for the shape Hawkins is in there would have been zero consequences.

I dunno. There was alot of filler this season. Anything Russia or 11 losing and trying to get her powers back. What was that....2/3 or 3/4 of the season?

Oh, 11 can bring people back from the dead. Great. Glad her powers are constantly evolving and changing like it's being dictated by Eric Cartman. I hate when a show/movie either can't establish its own rules or chooses when to play by them.

God damn that last fight took forever. So much yammering. It was like a DBZ fight with lots of people just standing around with their mouths open for episodes at a time.

This is as cookie cutter as this genre can get. I'll watch the last season even though I'm sure they'll stretch it out as long as they can with a couple of rushed deaths of tertiary characters sprinkled in (Murray, the Russian guys and another red shirt who will take the place of Eddie - don't worry it won't be any of the "kids" so they can create spin offs depending on what test audiences react best to) and it will be about as fulfilling as my last trip to McDonald's.

[weather vane]

Good ending. Cooooool.

[Sepholio]

Frank Drebin, Slayer of Good Times.

[Frank Drebin]

Not wrong though, am I? :yes:

[teamXtremist]

Not sure why Eddie had to die. Looks like they are turning Will gay. Other than that, I enjoyed this season

[rez]

Not sure why Eddie had to die. Looks like they are turning Will gay. Other than that, I enjoyed this season

I mean, it's been implied way before this season so...

[slik]

Hopper mentioned it in season 1 when Joyce reported Will as missing

[slik]

Duffer Bros said for s5 their goal is 8 eps and around 10 hours....but they also know the finale will likely be another 2 hour ep because of how much story they want to tell.

They said in interviews they have the story beats worked out but in particular the last 30 minutes of the series they planned out years ago and the writing team starts on the final season in August.

[Kalyx triaD]

Hopper mentioned it in season 1 when Joyce reported Will as missing

No he asked if it that bullying was true. It's a bit odd that it seems to be true after all, but Hopper himself didn't mention it out of the blue. He was just being thorough.

[teamXtremist]

I think Modine's character is done for good

Bringing Eddie back is not out of the question, as he has been framed for the murders/events and they could change the public opinion and his reputation in season 5

Now how would they do that?
Maybe the upside down has special properties we don't know about yet, he could wake up as a zombie but with a conscience, or Eleven could somehow bring him back - she hasn't reached her full potential yet

Imagine Eddie being the key to humanity's survival next season, would be cool tbh

[teamXtremist]

By the way, Hopper has to be the most Alpha character in the history of TV

I'm sure I'm forgetting others, though

[Big Vic]

In season 1 I thought the UD air was toxic.

[Kalyx triaD]

Very interesting and solid theory about Vecna's presence in the series:

Vecna kidnapped Will in S1 Eps1.
- The assumed Demogorgon is never actually seen on screen other than the physical hints and teases only show a body type that could pass for both Demogorgon and Vecna's gangly figure.
- When Will runs home he locks the door and the lock opens telekinetically. Demogorgon's don't do anything like that again in the series and are otherwise just animals. But Vecna can do that. El does the same spot with the same lock in S2.
- Will's survival in the UD appeared contingent on singing his favorite song that he enjoyed with his brother. This exact practice proves effective against Vecna's psychic attacks.

[Big Vic]

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[XL]

Watched that last night and it made me realise I completely misunderstood what happened at the end of S3 with Hopper. I though the explosion had sent him through a gateway to Russia, and they’d use that to get back to Hawkins.

[slik]

Very interesting and solid theory about Vecna's presence in the series:

Vecna kidnapped Will in S1 Eps1.
- The assumed Demogorgon is never actually seen on screen other than the physical hints and teases only show a body type that could pass for both Demogorgon and Vecna's gangly figure.
- When Will runs home he locks the door and the lock opens telekinetically. Demogorgon's don't do anything like that again in the series and are otherwise just animals. But Vecna can do that. El does the same spot with the same lock in S2.
- Will's survival in the UD appeared contingent on singing his favorite song that he enjoyed with his brother. This exact practice proves effective against Vecna's psychic attacks.


Very interesting

[Tom Guycott]

I still have a theory that Mike's dad is a Russian sleeper agent on some Telefon shit.

I'm not convinced that he's 100% utterly ineffectual and clueless; its a front. Kinda like that reveal near end of Moral Orel that his dad's "stupid dead-end job" he always comes home muttering about is that he's the fucking town's mayor. He is aware of all the weird shit, but since that isn't his job, he doesn't care. He is doing his job of just being in the background until he gets orders. And given how closely we're hurtling towards the fall of the Berlin Wall, those orders either might not ever come, or some sort of communication will happen near the resolution of the story where some hitherto unexplained plan gets called off.

Every time they show the phone bank with conversation audio montage, we assume it's only clandestine shadowy US government agents pertinent to the story listening in.

Then again, it might be like CLUE where "communism is just a red herring" and he's just a giant dumbass in a world where everyone else is that exists are fairly well written characters (except for Jason, who seemed like he was building up to be a major auxillary "born again" evangelical antagonist only to die unceremoniously at Vecna's victory because of where he happened to be laying). However, it feels way to convenient to simply be written off as a joke character in a world full of psychics, spies, interdimensional monsters, and assassins. I think he's hiding in plain sight.

[Lock Jaw]

Just watched the final two episodes..... good stuff....

So, Vecna created the Mind Flayer? Need to watch the previous season again, but thought Mind Flayer had very different goals/personality....

Hope Max comes back....

[Kalyx triaD]

That depends on what exactly is the stuff that makes up the Mindflayer.

[slik]

Hopper mentioned it in season 1 when Joyce reported Will as missing

see first 10 seconds

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;how were we supposed to know will byers was gay if they never say it in the show?&quot;<br><br>the show: <a href="https://t.co/OJehBUlJmg">pic.twitter.com/OJehBUlJmg</a></p>&mdash; △ jiji | open to work ✨ (@bardofparadise) <a href="https://twitter.com/bardofparadise/status/1547988748809297929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

thought Mind Flayer had very different goals/personality....




see around 1:20


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[Tom Guycott]

see first 10 seconds

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;how were we supposed to know will byers was gay if they never say it in the show?&quot;<br><br>the show: <a href="https://t.co/OJehBUlJmg">pic.twitter.com/OJehBUlJmg</a></p>&mdash; △ jiji | open to work ✨ (@bardofparadise) <a href="https://twitter.com/bardofparadise/status/1547988748809297929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That still feels kinda lazy and "shoehorny", because kids called other kids fags and queers all the time back then; it wasn't built up to be this thing that somehow rivaled the n-word until somewhere in the early 00s. That throwaway line at the beginning of season one shouldn't be the sole signpost to him "actually being gay the whole time" at a time in life where kids even calling other kids "a virgin" was perjorative, even though they all damn well should be and the kids throwning that around don't even really know what they're saying. Of all the threads and intertwining narratives the show has, if Will actually coming out is really the endgame, they could have written it A LOT better.

It's still not as bad as the Young Justice thing. "I'm mad at you for stealing my girlfriend - [time skip] - nevermind, we're lovers now", but it is pretty close.

There's better ways to accomplish representation than just hamfistedly inserting it for representation's sake.

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