The Falcon and The Winter Soldier

[Lock Jaw]

Just watched the first episode. Pretty great already.

[owenbunny]

Bad Bunny should play Baron Zemo

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[Ruien]

Good build up episode. Wish they would have had 2 episodes like they did when Wandavision aired.

[M-A-G]

I'm loving these shows. They may be about secondary characters but they're still important and interesting characters and deserve a longer showcase in the spotlight, in my opinion. Seeing that familiar face pop up again in that opening sequence was a nice callback.

[Seanny One Ball]

I liked it a lot.
Great intro action and later on we find out about Avenger finances.
I'd probably have sold the shield, that stuff seems to be worth a pretty penny.

[M-A-G]

Second episode is sweet as fuck.

[Seanny One Ball]

Interesting things going down in the MCU within this show.
Big things.

[Lock Jaw]

Love having a sweet action sequence in each episode

Loving the music in the show too... and the callbacks to the Captain America soundtracks...

[rez]

just finished ep 2. I am a fan of this buddy cop series

[rez]

I think all of Wakanda raped Bucky....

[rez]

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[Shadow]

Yeah not sure I'm trusting Great Value Cap in the slightest.

There's something...off about him.

[Lock Jaw]

He's a good guy in the comics so I'm thinking he's on the up and up, he's just got a different style.

[Shadow]

You might want to look up US Agent. Cause in the comics, he didn't start out as a good guy at all.

[Fignuts]

He was an antagonist but I wouldn't label him a villain. He was an anti hero at worst.

[M-A-G]

His problem is that he's more jingoistic than Rogers. If he'd been in Civil War he'd have signed the Sokovia Accords without question if Ross had asked.

[M-A-G]

The newest episode, well, really the whole series, is worth it if only
to watch Zemo cut a rug no matter how brief.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Halfway thru episode 3. Love it. Sam and Bucky have such a great chemistry.

[Lock Jaw]

Another great episode. A lot happened.

[M-A-G]

Wait, this sucker is only six episodes? BOOOOOOO!

[Lock Jaw]

Makes things actually move, though. So far a lot better than WandaVision in that regard which was more of a slow extended build with a bunch of throwaway stuff in there too. This feels like so much is constantly happening and nearly everything is actually important.

[XL]

Loved episode 3. I’m a sucker for “buddy cop”/“odd couple” schtick and this delivered both with Falcon/Bucky/Zemo.

[Shadow]

Zemo being added to this is pretty much perfect. Like seriously perfect. I can't wait for more.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It was already good with the chemistry between Sam and Bucky. Zemo just adds to it and makes it that much better.

[M-A-G]

It was already good with the chemistry between Sam and Bucky. Zemo just adds to it and makes it that much better.

Yes. In "Civil War", the scene where Rogers kisses Sharon and it cuts to Sam and Bucky in the car is a great example of this. Just Sam alone nodding his head in approval would have been fine; but Sam AND Bucky nodding makes it hilarious. Daniel Bruhl getting to have some comedic moments is great stuff.

[Lock Jaw]

Speaking of Steve kissing Sharon.... seems odd that he would never have tried to find her after... just left her on her own on the run and in hiding in Madripoor for years...

[M-A-G]

Maybe he did try but Sharon is just too damn fine...er, too damn good?

[Lock Jaw]

Yes. In "Civil War", the scene where Rogers kisses Sharon and it cuts to Sam and Bucky in the car is a great example of this. Just Sam alone nodding his head in approval would have been fine; but Sam AND Bucky nodding makes it hilarious. Daniel Bruhl getting to have some comedic moments is great stuff.

In Civil War:

Bucky: Can you move your seat up?
Falcon: No.
Bucky: *glowers and slides over*

In this show:

Falcon: You're not going to move your seat up, are you?
Bucky: Nope

[M-A-G]

YES! I loved that callback.

[M-A-G]

Oh, man, episode four. Shit just got real!

[Fignuts]

Yeah this episode was great. Zero casually sipping his drink while chaos erupted around him was hilarious.

Also, Sharon is definitely the power broker.

[Innovator]

Walker killed a guy

[M-A-G]

Yeah, but he did it for America so it's OK. :)

[Seanny One Ball]

Just once in my life I want to be the guy that drinks the iridescent blue ampoule.

But it would probably just give me super haemorrhoids...

[Shadow]

That last shot of the episode was....perfect.

[M-A-G]

LOL, if those doofuses on the right lost their shit over the scene where Sam has a run-in with the police, I can only imagine how they're going to react to this latest episode. :lol:

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

I've watched episodes 1 to 4 today (I'm going to watch epi 5 soon), and it is good stuff. I like how these MCU shows have been able to explore, to a certain extent, the impact of the Blip on the world, which is something you wouldn't necessarily see in the films. I'd like to see them explore this aspect further.

[Fignuts]

Episode 5 was great. Perfect setup episode, for the finale.

[Lock Jaw]

Amazing episode. Start off with some action, then move into the perfect breather right before the finale.

[Fignuts]

Kind of weird casting for Contessa. Not sure Dreyfus is a good fit. Also, why does she have a purple streak in her hair? It should be white.

[Lock Jaw]

No idea who that is. Name was vaguely familiar...

[Seanny One Ball]

This show has been pretty great to be honest.
I'm actually surprised at how seamlessly it has continued on from the films, no adjustment necessary.

[Seanny One Ball]

I wonder if Falcon will get a chance to take the serum and refuse it so he could be Captain America without disappointing the old guy who's name I forget.

[M-A-G]

I wonder if Falcon will get a chance to take the serum and refuse it so he could be Captain America without disappointing the old guy who's name I forget.

I don't think there's any left, not after what Zemo did.

[Seanny One Ball]

There's always a vial somewhere.

Check under the couch.

[M-A-G]

Pfft, like I'd spill whether or not I found one there...:shifty:

[Seanny One Ball]

I'm going to rewatch the whole show as soon as episode six is in the bag.
I think as far as Marvel goes they really may be onto something with their style of espionage and detective work. It's pleasantly grown of old and new, and some of it feels a lot like The Man From U.N.C.L.E

[Shadow]

Well...that was both expected and unexpected. A nice cool down episode leading us to the final. And Walker...boof. Poor Walker.

[M-A-G]

Damn. Some powerful stuff to wrap things up. There's no way they can just end it at one season, right? :(

[M-A-G]

Also good to see Walker in the U.S.Agent attire proper.

[Lock Jaw]

Hot ending. I like the whole acknowledgment this show did that half the population reappearing would almost be equally disastrous to them disappearing in the first place, if not more. Now imagine this chaos universe wide. #ThanosWasRight

[Lock Jaw]

Also, I hear tell that a new Captain America movie has been confirmed.

[M-A-G]

Thanos wasn't right. Half the population shouldn't have been wiped out to begin with.

[Gray]

I do recall that Walker pocketed one of the vials after Zemo destroyed them all. I honestly thought he would end up using it so it could even out the fight against either Bucky or Carly - Or give it to his ally to try and save him.

The Carter angle semi-surprised me, especially when they showed her place. But they do seem to progressing her as a villain of the future - Perhaps in Captain America 4, though that may be too soon?

It was a really good ending though, closure for Bucky - The one thing I was disappointed for though was a lack of Chris Evans. I thought he would have made a very small cameo at the end as his olden-self just as a nod of approval.

Last point would be, the final battle took place in what looked like it was New York - Was Spiderman on vacation or something??

[M-A-G]

I do recall that Walker pocketed one of the vials after Zemo destroyed them all. I honestly thought he would end up using it so it could even out the fight against either Bucky or Carly - Or give it to his ally to try and save him.

The Carter angle semi-surprised me, especially when they showed her place. But they do seem to progressing her as a villain of the future - Perhaps in Captain America 4, though that may be too soon?

It was a really good ending though, closure for Bucky - The one thing I was disappointed for though was a lack of Chris Evans. I thought he would have made a very small cameo at the end as his olden-self just as a nod of approval.

Last point would be, the final battle took place in what looked like it was New York - Was Spiderman on vacation or something??

Walker did take the serum.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

I do recall that Walker pocketed one of the vials after Zemo destroyed them all. I honestly thought he would end up using it so it could even out the fight against either Bucky or Carly - Or give it to his ally to try and save him.

The Carter angle semi-surprised me, especially when they showed her place. But they do seem to progressing her as a villain of the future - Perhaps in Captain America 4, though that may be too soon?

It was a really good ending though, closure for Bucky - The one thing I was disappointed for though was a lack of Chris Evans. I thought he would have made a very small cameo at the end as his olden-self just as a nod of approval.

Last point would be, the final battle took place in what looked like it was New York - Was Spiderman on vacation or something??

I assume Spiderman would have been on the run/in hiding.

[M-A-G]

I assume Spiderman would have been on the run/in hiding.

Or in Europe?

[mitchables]

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[M-A-G]

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Oh, believe me, I know the pain of people forgetting hyphens. :mad:

[M-A-G]

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[El Vaquero de Infierno]

I'm seeing a lot of posts about the multiverse, in relationship to Spider-Man (are you happy, now?), Thor and other Marvel properties; and I can't help but think its going to turn into a giant mess.

[Seanny One Ball]

This show is one of the best things Marvel has done so far.

Really top class.

4/4

[Lock Jaw]

Hoping that Sharon Carter isn't completely evil or something.... like she is deep undercover or something, playing both sides trying to take down some even bigger menace.

Or that she's a skrull.

[Seanny One Ball]

Skrull is a good shout.

Didn't think of that.

[Destor]

Just watched this. i liked it well enough. Anthony Mackie again proves he's not a leading man (rip altered carbon) but there's enough going on to have a good run. US Agent was a good antagonist.

[Destor]

also i liked seeing Zemo in mask. Bartoc the Leaper was mediocre though

[mitchables]

Hoping that Sharon Carter isn't completely evil or something.... like she is deep undercover or something, playing both sides trying to take down some even bigger menace.

Or that she's a skrull.

i'd prefer her heel turn to be legit on account of being abandoned by cap, living in peggy's shadow her whole life, hunted by the people she spent her life serving (we saw what that did to walker), became queen of crime out of desperation and necessity and then over time has developed a penchant for it

seems way more intriguing an arc than "lol secret alien"

[Destor]

agreed

[Destor]

that said i have nothing against secret alien arcs

[Lock Jaw]

i'd prefer her heel turn to be legit on account of being abandoned by cap, living in peggy's shadow her whole life, hunted by the people she spent her life serving (we saw what that did to walker), became queen of crime out of desperation and necessity and then over time has developed a penchant for it

seems way more intriguing an arc than "lol secret alien"

Yeah, it is more interesting but..... I like my comic book heroes to still be heroes I guess... you can gender swap them, race swap them... whatever... just don't alignment swap them on me

[Seanny One Ball]

Just watched this. i liked it well enough. Anthony Mackie again proves he's not a leading man (rip altered carbon) but there's enough going on to have a good run. US Agent was a good antagonist.


I think Anthony Mackie is going to be a hell of a leading man when he gets a proper chance.

I think Marvel is the right place for that.

[M-A-G]

Yeah, it is more interesting but..... I like my comic book heroes to still be heroes I guess... you can gender swap them, race swap them... whatever... just don't alignment swap them on me

God, don't get me started on changing alignment. That's one of the things that pissed me off about the X-Men films. HOW DO YOU GET PSYLOCKE WRONG...TWICE?!?!?!

[Destor]

I think Anthony Mackie is going to be a hell of a leading man when he gets a proper chance.

I think Marvel is the right place for that.he's had chances (rip altered carbon)

[mitchables]

Yeah, it is more interesting but..... I like my comic book heroes to still be heroes I guess... you can gender swap them, race swap them... whatever... just don't alignment swap them on me

what about when comic book heroes get alignment swapped in the comics, how does that sit with you

also didn't sharon canonically work as a mercenary for a while

not quite an 'alignment swap' but it's not like her doing what's necessary to survive even if it conflicts with her historic values is an unprecedented step

[Fignuts]

I don't think Sharon did anything villainous. Morally questionable maybe, but she only supported Carly at the beginning because she agreed with her cause. Once Carly started taking more extreme measures however, Sharon joined the fight to stop her.

[Fignuts]

And yeah, even in the comics, Sharon isn't a superhero. She's first and foremost a secret agent. So it fits her character that she's willing to take measures that the average hero might not be comfortable with.

[mitchables]

i thought she fought to stop her because karli stole the serum to start using it for her own ends rather than keep serving as sharon's muscle

it's clear she killed karli to stop her from outing her, as she did batroc

so a little cold-blooded, plus the post-credits scene where she froths over getting to sell state secrets to the highest bidder

as i said, i think that she may have started down this path out of desperation and necessity, but she's not exactly not embracing it at this point

totally understand why she would be mad at the US government and its superheroes though

[Tom Guycott]

that said i have nothing against secret alien arcs

... especially ones that culminate in wars.

[Shadow]

I know everyone's rooting for Sharon to be a Skrull to tie in with Secret Invasion but, I'm not seeing it. This is a logical progression for a character that was flat out abandoned by people she tried to help for 8 years. Yeah sure, 5 of those years were because half the universe got dusted but the point remains.

[Tom Guycott]

Hot ending. I like the whole acknowledgment this show did that half the population reappearing would almost be equally disastrous to them disappearing in the first place, if not more. Now imagine this chaos universe wide. #ThanosWasRight

Thanos wasn't right. Half the population shouldn't have been wiped out to begin with.

Also, the chaos wasn't as simple as disappearing and re-appearing. They disappeared and were just GONE for five years. People processed that. Most folks had to come to terms with the assumption that the missing that they loved were dead. They grieved. They moved on. People re-married. They got new/different jobs. They sold their homes or bought new ones. That is a whole different type of upheaval. It wouldn't have been near the same logistical or emotional nightmare if it were maybe up to a couple of weeks or so of folks being missing. How could he be right about a problem he caused?

Often the most compelling villains are the ones who see things their own way, and not just cartoonishly evil for evil's sake. Thanos was a compelling victim... well, Older Thanos, anyway, but that's a different topic in itself. Indiscriminate genocide is still genocide. He had what he thought was a legitimate point... but it wasn't. That's what made it an evil plan. And even the veil of selflessness in it wasn't true at all, because that coin flip didn't include himself. He had planned on being around live out his days smugly believing all of the remainder of known existence would be thankful to him for his deed. And the alternative before his Infinity Gauntlet plan was just physically killing half the population of planets one at a time. This was just a time saver.

I get that being sympathetic to the villain is all the rage nowadays, but this ain't it, chief.

[Tom Guycott]

I know everyone's rooting for Sharon to be a Skrull to tie in with Secret Invasion but, I'm not seeing it. This is a logical progression for a character that was flat out abandoned by people she tried to help for 8 years. Yeah sure, 5 of those years were because half the universe got dusted but the point remains.

I'm not. I'm actually hoping for a miniseries where she goes from one end of that spectrum to the other, and during that journey, we not only get her motivations, but actual exposition into what happened on Earth for those five years aside from Captain Marvel showing up asking where Fury is. It would be a good way to tell that story to the audience while they chronicle what is either super deep cover, her complete fall from grace, or her basically becoming "The Boss" where nobody knows she's doing her job because it looks like she's the bad guy.

With that said, I wouldn't mind it if she were a Skrull, but that isn't exactly number one on my list. Hell, people kinda forgot that was even a thing until the end of WandaVison.

On a very side note: I wonder now, since they established Madripoor as a place, that they'll introduce Wolverine into the MCU as Patch?

[Fignuts]

I can't see them doing Secret Invasion. They've already used skulls once and "They're back but this time they really are evil!" just isn't that interesting.

Looking forward to potentially seeing characters like Dr. Doom, Kang, and Galactus as future Avengers villains.

[Lock Jaw]

It has been confirmed that they are doing a Secret Invasion show. Now whether or not the Skrulls will be baddies in it remains to be seen.

[Fignuts]

Oh, well a television format would suit that type of story really well. That, I'd be more interested in for sure.

[Tom Guycott]

They've already changed a lot of dynamics of stories between source and MCU both out of meta neccessity and storyline improvement, so any form of Secret Wars/Secret Invasion is prob'ly not going to be beat for beat what the original arcs were.

Wouldn't even be surprised if they change the villans from the Scrulls to, say the Plodex or something.

Which could mean Marrina could appear.

Which could mean Alpha Flight.

Yes, I'm still on that.