WWE releases Bray Wyatt

[Bad News Gertner]

Per WWE.com

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE has come to terms on the release of Bray Wyatt. We wish him the best in all his future endeavors. <a href="https://t.co/XIsUbaMUZ7">https://t.co/XIsUbaMUZ7</a> <a href="https://t.co/koRuC3w1yr">pic.twitter.com/koRuC3w1yr</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1421511238635376646?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Triple A]

wow

[slik]

Wow

[Bad News Gertner]

WOw

[Triple A]

All of the Wyatt Family has been released

[Loose Cannon]

Never saw that coming . Really can’t wait to hear the story about what happened to him this past year ever since his quick and puzzling loss at Mania

Bray was easily my favorite character for the past 10 years and he honestly had a hell of a run . His runs were always go/stop, go/stop, go/stop and I wish he had gone over more in a lot of his feuds , but whatever, it’s WWE.

I’m sure we’ll see him show up somewhere soon

[owenbrown]

:fu: WWE

[Evil Vito]

I'm actually not that surprised. It's felt for a while that he was never returning.

Supposedly he'd been a bit of a wreck mentally since Brodie Lee passed, and only came back for the Mania run at the company's request although they were going to allow him to go back on leave again right afterward.

[Loose Cannon]

Apparently he’s in the best shape of his life too , which puzzles me about this even more

[Evil Vito]

Pretty much through Bray's entire run there would be months and months at a time where they were doing nothing with him, both because of injury and also because his character is a very unique one that has to be managed carefully to avoid being "overexposed"

Of course even with the time off they still gave him crap to work with most of the time. Ah well.

[slik]

They usually refer to people's real names when they release them, I wonder why they used his ring name

[Loose Cannon]

Maybe because someone else will play The Fiend now lol. Actually, I can easily see them doing this .

[Evil Vito]

I think they simply moved his entire gimmick to Alexa and for better or worse are going all in with it, The Fiend is dead

[Evil Vito]

As atrocious as I think Alexa is in that role, she's gotten massive pops since crowds returned. It's clear a big portion of the audience eat that shit up. So I don't see it changing.

[GD]

This is very disheartening. For all the questionable booking decisions, Bray Wyatt showed a great deal of promise.

[ClockShot]

Never saw that coming . Really can’t wait to hear the story about what happened to him this past year ever since his quick and puzzling loss at Mania

Yeah, this.

When I read the thread title I figured his issues at the moment were just too much.

More time with JoJo now to raise and make more kids.

[Triple A]

Like Strowman, idk if he would "fit in" in AEW...

Very boring wrestler imo...

[GD]

wow

Wow

WOw

https://media1.tenor.com/images/250a89b45218fd09f508c675d0ec3f4a/tenor.gif?itemid=14034315

[Jordan]

New Dark Order leader?

I'm don't want him in AEW but if he is headed there...

[Maluco]

Really creative guy who was stiffled by baffling booking and never winning a feud.

He came up with two great, memorable characters that really intrigued me (the complete casual they have forced me to become) and this horrendous company can’t capitalize on anyone or anything.

No matter what you think of the characters, Wyatt and Braun got over and should have been stars. The fact that both are released instead shows the complete ineptitude in 2021.

The slide continues

[GD]

Like Strowman, idk if he would "fit in" in AEW...

Very boring wrestler imo...

Wyatt could go...he just chose to pace himself for his size.

"Army tank with a Ferrari engine"

[Loose Cannon]

Like Strowman, idk if he would "fit in" in AEW...

Very boring wrestler imo...

I see what your saying, but I think if AEW wants to keep growing, they need more of the WWE “characters” that are marketable to another segment of wrestling fans . AEW is known for guys who can wrestle and put on fantastic fast paced matches, but to me they lack the “larger then life personalities and characters,” which someone life Bray can bring to the table .

I think a good wrestling company has a good mix of both styles

[Evil Vito]

New Dark Order leader?

I'm don't want him in AEW but if he is headed there...

All of the Dark Order members have been very vocal about how there will never be another leader. Especially after everyone jumped at the idea of making Black the new leader when he got released. I feel like Bray wouldn't want to be the leader too for the same reason.

He can join the Dark Order. Maybe slowly reveal himself as a heel try to take them over from the inside and turn them evil again, leading to Hangman or someone having to save them. That could be a fun angle without ever making him successfully be the leader.

But I'm ok if he doesn't go to AEW. Not even sure if his heart is still in wrestling honestly, hm getting it great shape might've been more about his own well-being.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">By way of Fightful <a href="https://t.co/ik3zBcC9ZX">pic.twitter.com/ik3zBcC9ZX</a></p>&mdash; The Macho Beard (@Machobeard4life) <a href="https://twitter.com/Machobeard4life/status/1421534670261563396?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[James Steele]

Holy shit.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cheap labour <a href="https://t.co/k4KWipyfpH">https://t.co/k4KWipyfpH</a> <a href="https://t.co/EimVBx1l4S">pic.twitter.com/EimVBx1l4S</a></p>&mdash; SoDuTw (@SoDuTw) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoDuTw/status/1421534885823631360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Lock Jaw]

My memory could be completely wrong but.... weren't Daniel Bryan and CM Punk teaming up to feud against the Wyatt Family right before Punk left? AEW should sign Bray, Eric Rowan, and Braun Strowman and have them feud with D-Bry and Punk like nothing happened

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Budget cuts Lmaooo. Really sad honestly. He was a great performer who did great character work, and somehow always rose above the shitty booking her constantly received.

[erickman]

put him with rosemary in decay what's wray bright doing in the impact zone.

[Sepholio]

And there it is. There's the thing that made me say F WWE right in their eye holes.

[xrodmuc316]

Yeah cant say I agree with this decision. There is no way that Bray wasnt making WWE way more money then they were paying him.

I was shocked when they released Braun, because former World Champions dont just get released.

Bray is a multi time World Champ. I legit cannot think of a single other time when a multi time World Champion was released by WWE.

[Danny Electric]

Mickie James reaction on twitter

“ I think what you meant to say was: “Thank you so much for coming up with such an incredible gimmick(time & time again)one so cool & over, we really didn’t know how to book it right. So we just gave it to someone else so we can still make ALL the money off of it & let you go”

[Triple A]

MORE ON THE BRAY WYATT RELEASE

By Mike Johnson on 2021-07-31 15:19:00

PWInsider.com has confirmed with multiple sources that WWE chose to release Bray Wyatt and that the word going around was that it was a budget-related reason, similar to other big cuts, such as Braun Strowman. It was not a case of Wyatt asking to be released.

We are told that Wyatt was called by John Lauirinaitis (who wasn't even at TV this week as he's in the middle of moving back to Connecticut) and informed it was simply a budgetary decision and not something Wyatt had done.

To say that the reaction within the company was stunned would be a massive understatement given how plugged into licensing the Wyatt character has been in recent years. The Fiend had been a massive hit for t-shirts and action figures.

One source pointed the finger squarely at WWE President Nick Khan and CFO Kristina Salen, stating that they are so "obsessed" with the company not being even one iota in the red on the financial ledgers that even after the most recent financial quarter, there had to have been a push to cut costs where with previous regimes, there would have been more leniency.

Others noted that Wyatt and Vince McMahon's relationship behind the scenes ran very hot and cold at times and that McMahon has given Khan the ability to run things far more than anyone else has historically been able to accomplish, so there was likely less of a push-back over the idea of cutting a big money contract from the ledger.

Another source pointed that Wyatt's 90 days would run out the week before AEW's Full Gear and how Vince McMahon may have been very prophetic about handing AEW other assets during yesterday's media call.

For those who have asked if there are other releases coming today, we have heard nothing that leads me to believe that is the case.

https://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=149285

[slik]

Wherever Rotunda goes next I hope he wears a sweet cape...

[Sepholio]

Right. In. Their. Eye. Holes.

[erickman]

good thing about now are the wrestling companys are all working togather he can do short term with anyone and show up other places. just watch impact you get wrestlers from all brands but wwe.

[#1-norm-fan]

What a fucking waste from day one.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It amazes me that Bray was on the verge of a breakout going into Mania 30 and not even a decade later, despite constant reinventions that get over, he’s gone.

[slik]

Alexa Bliss had to lock her Twitter account because she's been getting attacked/death threats all day by psychos blaming her for Bray being released


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Poor Alexa having to lock her account. <br><br>So much misdirected energy. <a href="https://t.co/IYYZRNVlfv">pic.twitter.com/IYYZRNVlfv</a></p>&mdash; SoDuTw (@SoDuTw) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoDuTw/status/1421659442232373249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[erickman]

hope she is not on raw the fans are going to yell we want bray

[slik]

2nd time a weird subset of fans have gone psycho at a wrestler recently...a lot of unhinged comments on Daniel Bryan/Brie Bella's social media after the slightest hint of him going to AEW popped up

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Toxic ass mother fuckers

[DAMN iNATOR]

All of the Wyatt Family has been released

Luke Harper died at the end of last year, which as others have said, was fucking with him mentally as of late. I'm sure it was probably a long discussion and then a mutual decision by both parties, or at least I hope.

I support his efforts to hopefully work through everything. Seems like it would be a heck of a burden to carry around all the time.

[Triple A]

He was released by WWE because they didn't want to spend money on his contract... not a mutual decision, according to various reports

[Triple A]

Where did the thing about him being "mentally unwell" come from... who reported that

[Lock Jaw]

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Probably the best "live band entrance" at WM

[Evil Vito]

Psycho Clown vs Bray Wyatt mask vs mask match at TripleMania

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I like Bray and think he’s very talented, but I do not see him as a good fit for AEW. Think he’d be great in Impact though.

[Fignuts]

Psycho Clown vs Bray Wyatt mask vs mask match at TripleMania

Surfer Bray vs Biker Bray

[Fignuts]

I like Bray and think he’s very talented, but I do not see him as a good fit for AEW. Think he’d be great in Impact though.

If he ditched the magic crap and stuck to the creepy cult leader persona, it would work just fine.

[Evil Vito]

Had he not just dropped a ton of weight I’d have said he should drop the mask and gimmicks, don his Husky Harris trunks, go to Japan and just embrace being a big meaty lad throwing bombs.

[#1-norm-fan]

Could have teamed him up with WALTER and called them “The Meaty Lads”. What a waste.

[erickman]

I like Bray and think he’s very talented, but I do not see him as a good fit for AEW. Think he’d be great in Impact though.

i think he can work both, and then japan.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Had he not just dropped a ton of weight I’d have said he should drop the mask and gimmicks, don his Husky Harris trunks, go to Japan and just embrace being a big meaty lad throwing bombs.

I think he’d be phenomenal in Japan. They love that spooky shit. I think he’d also do well working a stiffer style. But he’s got an infant at home so I dunno if he’d be interested.

[#1-norm-fan]

He’s an insanely good performer regardless of how you feel about the gimmicks. AEW would be smart to find a good spot for him.

It’s ridiculous that WWE booked him against The Undertaker at WrestleMania and had Taker just basically squash him while also scaring the shit out of him. If you didn’t know better you’d have thought Taker was the up-and-comer they were trying to get over.

Taker still beating Bray but having Bray get locked in Hell’s Gate for a bit before laughing maniacally and yelling something creepy like “I’ll see you in hell, dead man.” and then passing out as Taker breaks the hold and looks down as his arm is raised like “... What the fuck is wrong with this guy?” immediately boosts Bray to another level while also keeping Taker looking strong for Brock. (So that he could get his streak loss back and use a 20+ year angle for some 50/50 booking bullshit!)

Instead “Old over guy win match, younger guy lose match. Booking done.”

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck this company.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I mean Bray getting squashed by Goldberg is the single worst booking decision since what, the Fingerpoke of Doom?

The guy has overcome the odds so much you’d think he’s John Cena

[Jordan]

The worst decision was making The Fiend gimmick at all. It's one of the worst gimmicks WWE has ever done because it was constantly in the main event and constantly a wet fart. Bray Wyatt got weirder and weirder until that is all they could do was go full bad horror film.

The Fiend single handedly forced me to stop watching WWE and with the exception of the last two Mania's and a few of the recent return to touring live show's I haven't watched anything.

I guess my point was that The Fiend was really really terrible and embarrassing.

[#1-norm-fan]

It’s also funny that they used WrestleMania last year to put Bray over Cena AND Braun over Goldberg. TAKE THAT ALL YOU “THEY JUST RELY ON OLD GUYS AND NEVER PUT THE YOUNG GUYS OVER” DETRACTORS!

(lol Just kidding. WrestleMania main events don’t mean shit either anymore. Bray and Braun are now gone and Cena and Goldberg are challenging for the titles. Suckers.)

[DAMN iNATOR]

Where did the thing about him being "mentally unwell" come from... who reported that

No idea but TBH I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it turned out to be true. 🤷

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Bray going to AEW as a weird cult leader trying to infiltrate and take over the Dark Order and feuding with Hangman works. He doesn’t have to be creepy super powered Bray. Just a creepy, manipulative, conniving cult leader trying to ruin people’s lives.

Darby v Bray is a potential dream feud.

[Big Vic]

My memory could be completely wrong but.... weren't Daniel Bryan and CM Punk teaming up to feud against the Wyatt Family right before Punk left? AEW should sign Bray, Eric Rowan, and Braun Strowman and have them feud with D-Bry and Punk like nothing happened
I think Punk was supposed to continue his feud with Kane then HHH.

[Loose Cannon]

i think where ever Bray shows up, we'll see a whole new character. I think he enjoys reinventing himself and doing different characters so i don't think we'll see anything like Bray Wyatt or the Fiend.

[drave]

The Fiend was great from a marketability standpoint, but it was also a very "jump the shark" with his character.


Wyatt Compound Bray was the best Bray.

[RP]

When Bray came out to Fireflies, it was one of the most over things ever. One of the most over looking things ever.



There is something extremely wrong if you fire Bray Wyatt.





The only thing i can think of is that they are feeding AEW talent on purpose! You dont fire one of the most creative, physical dudes you have in the company, for budget costs. Costs that we all know are non existent !



This is fucked up! This is bad!

[xrodmuc316]

When Bray came out to Fireflies, it was one of the most over things ever. One of the most over looking things ever.



There is something extremely wrong if you fire Bray Wyatt.





The only thing i can think of is that they are feeding AEW talent on purpose! You dont fire one of the most creative, physical dudes you have in the company, for budget costs. Costs that we all know are non existent !



This is fucked up! This is bad!

Exactly right, like I said there is no way whatever they were paying him was more than the gobs of money they were making on his merchandise.

Budget Cuts only work when it causes a plus to the bottom line.

[XL]

I can see AEW ending up with “too many irons in the fire” at this point. Bringing in Punk and Bryan (if they actually have) will already affect the pecking order so to speak, bringing in a Bray Wyatt to go alongside them (and Tommy End) could have further affects. You can’t bring in these WWE main eventers to work in the midcard but putting them into the mix at the top could stunt the natural progression of the “homegrown” talent. Is there room for Page, Jungle Boy, et al to continue to climb up the ranks of the top of the ranks are a stacked?

[Jordan]

I can see AEW ending up with “too many irons in the fire” at this point. Bringing in Punk and Bryan (if they actually have) will already affect the pecking order so to speak, bringing in a Bray Wyatt to go alongside them (and Tommy End) could have further affects. You can’t bring in these WWE main eventers to work in the midcard but putting them into the mix at the top could stunt the natural progression of the “homegrown” talent. Is there room for Page, Jungle Boy, et al to continue to climb up the ranks of the top of the ranks are a stacked?

I can see this as an issue as well. It makes me look at the roster and who AEW has signed that isn't a big WWE name, who they are cultivating into a star...

Jungle Boy
Darby Allin
Ricky Starks
Lance Archer
PAC
Lucha Bro's
MJF
Sammy Guevara
Santana & Ortiz

Now not all of those listed are capable of main events but at the same time, they all are capable of main events opposite a big star. We've seen that method work thus far. I think that there is money in big name dream matches like Kenny vs Punk or Danielson but those will be used for PPV's likely.

AEW's roster is certainly full and they don't need to add any more big names at this time. If several months down the line Braun or Bray are interested and it makes sense then sure sign them up but I totally agree that AEW is kind of jam packed especially with the Danielson and Punk deals.

[drave]

This is the meta guys. WWE Execs have decided to release talent in hopes that AEW will get bloated and go belly up. Meanwhile, back in Stamford, CT they will be high-fiving in the hallways celebrating their win.

[screech]

I like to think that WWE big wigs are often high-fiving in their hallways over the most mundane shit.

[drave]

And on the next WWE 24, we get the High-Five-Camera-Cuts edition.

[Evil Vito]

"Vince is getting delivery from Slice of Stamford for the meeting later"
"Fuck yeah!"
*high five*

[drave]

43 camera cuts in 2 seconds

[xrodmuc316]

AEW would be foolish to pass up signing Bray and Braun if they have the chance. Yes they already have an absurdly bloated roster, but you make rooms for guys like that.

[weather vane]

Agree with above, especially Bray. Bloated roster sure, but maybe you need that to see who’s who. Cuts got to happen at some point. Sign these big boys and get rid of some dead weight. Nobody is gonna cry if Sonny Kiss, Luther, Serpentico, Peter Avalon, Gunn Club, Lee Johnson, and Leva Bates are gone… and I love me some Luther. Plus the 76 other guys from Dark who are just ok. Room to be made.

[Sepholio]

AEW would be stupid not to take Bray. They got all kinds of little flippy guys but not many "bruisers" like Bray. But the main thing is that he would immediately be in the top 1% of guys who can cut a promo in that company. Hell he might be the best they have on the mic right off the bat. They need that talking ability.

Not to mention they can probably get a hell of a lot more miles out of Bray than pretty much all these other people they are signing.

[drave]

Bruiser Bray. Southern smashmouth old school hoss.



Can be an ode to both Brody and Brodie.

[BigCrippyZ]

Even if the roster is getting bloated, I don't know how or why you'd turn down Bray Wyatt if you're AEW and he's really interested in coming in for any remotely reasonable amount of money.

He's easily one of the best talkers of the last decade and has an athletic skill set for his body type that would still make him different enough to be a good hand to have around. Plus, he's supposedly one of the most creative and successful guys in the business in terms of creating his character(s) and getting over, even if it wasn't always perfect or Vince and company would sometimes make it less so.

I'd like to see what he could come up with and do if he was free from the confines of WWE's structure and restrictions.

[GD]

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[Sepholio]

Friend of mine thinks Bray getting released is a work. He made a compelling case and I'd like to think he is right but I don't put much stock in the idea. Maybe like a 5% chance he's right, and that's being generous.

[drave]

Go on then......


fuckin tease.

[drave]

Ronda Rousey getting in on it:


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve seen you same “fans” chanting <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WeWantWyatt?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WeWantWyatt</a> last night chanting “We want beach balls” over <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBrayWyatt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEBrayWyatt</a> performing. If the <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wwe</a> treated him like he was expendable it was because you ungrateful idiots did first</p>&mdash; Ronda Rousey (@RondaRousey) <a href="https://twitter.com/RondaRousey/status/1422667754218291203?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[BigCrippyZ]

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55933172/am-i-out-of-touch-no-its-our-customers-who-are-wrong.jpg

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Wyatt was over as fuck in his original run. One of the best characters they had up until Mania 30. The match they had with the Shield the month before was insane and the crowd was red fucking hot. What an idiot Rousey is.

[Fignuts]

Rousey's emotions have the stability of sugar glass.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Ronda Rousey getting in on it:


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve seen you same “fans” chanting <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WeWantWyatt?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WeWantWyatt</a> last night chanting “We want beach balls” over <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBrayWyatt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEBrayWyatt</a> performing. If the <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wwe</a> treated him like he was expendable it was because you ungrateful idiots did first</p>&mdash; Ronda Rousey (@RondaRousey) <a href="https://twitter.com/RondaRousey/status/1422667754218291203?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

The replies in this thread are cancer. Fans aren’t always booing the performer. In the case of Bray Wyatt it was the booking that was the problem, not the man himself.

[BigCrippyZ]

The replies in this thread are cancer. Fans aren’t always booing the performer. In the case of Bray Wyatt it was the booking that was the problem, not the man himself.

Don’t worry. It’s clear that Rousey and the folks in WWE are smart enough to understand and grasp that. /s

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thank fuck. He could talk his ass off, but almost everything he ever did was horrible. He’s made his money and had his time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wrestling fans are the absolute worst of scum, by the way. I think many of you would be shocked to know just how many people don’t like wrestling because wrestling fans are horrible.

[#1-norm-fan]

A wrestling company losing a guy who can talk his ass of is never a good thing. If you run a wrestling company and you have a top 5 talker who isn’t a PR nightmare but can’t find a use for him that isn’t horrible, you gotta wonder why you’re even running a wrestling company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A wrestling company losing a guy who can talk his ass of is never a good thing.

Depends on perspective. I never want to see Bray Wyatt or The Fiend ever again. It sucks that he didn’t do better stuff, but he didn’t do better stuff.

If his head is right, and his priorities are there, he’s a no-brainer hire for anyone. Actual pro-wrestling promo Windham Rotunda — building to a big fight — could be great. But if bad poetry that goes nowhere is actually his idea, then fuck him.

WWE is either the best or worst place for him. If it’s the best place, then I can do without the cartoon cult leader nonsense. If it’s the worst place, we’re all better off.

[#1-norm-fan]

Original swamp-dwelling southern cult leader Bray Wyatt was fucking fantastic.

“That’s creepy. You know what would make him even MORE creepy? Jobbing him out almost immediately, turning him into an un-killable clown with the power of teleportation, putting him over John Cena in a match that takes place in Cena’s mind at WrestleMania, burning him alive and then having him return to die via 1 RKO”...

Not as fantastic.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I liked Bray’s initial promos and introduction, but I cared about him about zero after his initial debut. Yeah, some of it is obviously WWE. But a lot of it was his end too. The delivery was there, but the substance just wasn’t for me.

[XL]

Depends on perspective. I never want to see Bray Wyatt or The Fiend ever again. It sucks that he didn’t do better stuff, but he didn’t do better stuff.

If his head is right, and his priorities are there, he’s a no-brainer hire for anyone. Actual pro-wrestling promo Windham Rotunda — building to a big fight — could be great. But if bad poetry that goes nowhere is actually his idea, then fuck him.

WWE is either the best or worst place for him. If it’s the best place, then I can do without the cartoon cult leader nonsense. If it’s the worst place, we’re all better off.

Until he loses all of those big fights and then even the actual pro-wrestling promo is rendered moot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Until he loses all of those big fights and then even the actual pro-wrestling promo is rendered moot.

Yeah, exactly. Nothing matters in wrestling anymore, so it’s all inconsequential.

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fightful has reached out to sources connected to Bray Wyatt and confirmed that his absence following WrestleMania had nothing to do with what were called &quot;falsely reported mental health issues.&quot; Also, Bray Wyatt is 100 percent healthy and able to wrestle.<a href="https://t.co/nazM8hgJpq">https://t.co/nazM8hgJpq</a></p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp aka Keiji Muter aka The Great Muter (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1424882224575418368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Destor]

Ronda Rousey getting in on it:


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you can blame creative, thats fine, but if your shit aint over your career will be. the end result is the same; doesnt matter who you blame.

the audience plays a major role in who eats and who starves and theyre a major factor in how the creative is shaped. if theyd boo heels they like and cheer babies they like and sit on their hands for the rest the business would improve 10 fold. but since theyre not actually smart, in the carny sense, this'll never happen.

if you dont see a correlation in the products quality and it being over ran by "smarks" (and fuck do i ever use that term loosely and begrudgingly) its only because your either not looking or unwilling to see it.

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[Sepholio]

I get what you are saying but that isn't exactly the case with Bray. He had been one of the most over acts on the roster for awhile. The crowd was always into him. And he moved merch.

[Destor]

ive seen the crowd sleep through his shit dozens of times. i think largely in protest of the writing but that beach ball remark is literal. that happened.

[Destor]

theres also the issue of cheering heels that puts creative into an impossible box but thats a huge conversation that would take ages to unpack

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Who was the last fan chosen star the WWE actually got 100% behind? Eddie? They’ve been plenty of guys who organically got over that the company didn’t get behind or purposely tanked for whatever reason. Bryan, Ryder, Rusev, Cesaro, RVD, Booker T, Christian, Punk, and I’m sure there are a few others.

I’m not saying all these guys should’ve been the top guy in the company or anything like that. But there’s a lot ships in that lot that sales not for the talents lack of popularity, ability or willingness, but because the company didn’t get behind them. Reigns is a prime example of Vince wanting what he wants and not giving two shits about what the fans think or how they react.

Crowds slept through or shit on virtually the entire main event run for Roman Reigns the minute he was hot shotted and yet here we are, 7 years later, when they finally got it right after losing half their audience since that decision.

[#1-norm-fan]

the audience plays a major role in who eats and who starves and theyre a major factor in how the creative is shaped. if theyd boo heels they like and cheer babies they like and sit on their hands for the rest the business would improve 10 fold. but since theyre not actually smart, in the carny sense, this'll never happen.

if you dont see a correlation in the products quality and it being over ran by "smarks" (and fuck do i ever use that term loosely and begrudgingly) its only because your either not looking or unwilling to see it.

Lol it’s not any fanbase’s job to react the way they “should”. In any form of entertainment. Period.

It’s WWE’s job to draw the reactions and emotions out of people they want. If they can, they’ve succeeded. If they can’t, they’ve failed. It’s insane that this needs to be said.

Any unwanted reactions from an ENTIRE fan base comes from how they’ve been conditioned to respond over time. WWE has made themselves, as a company, heels and everything they do feeds into that. They’ve chased away casuals who might react like you want and left a group who is just here to “play along” with this dynamic they’ve made.

[Bad News Gertner]

Good heels never get booed nowadays.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’d say I’ve seen Reigns getting booed on clips I’ve watched but as much as WWE fucks with the audio, who knows.

MJF seems to get a good amount of heat from what I’ve seen though.

[slik]

Heel Reigns is the face Reigns fans wanted for years. Corbin is going to end up a super-face at this rate too.

[drave]

I’d say I’ve seen Reigns getting booed on clips I’ve watched but as much as WWE fucks with the audio, who knows.

MJF seems to get a good amount of heat from what I’ve seen though.




MJF is a better heel, IMO.


Reigns does his "I'm a badass, acknowledge me." and its alright I guess. Though his matches early on with the Uso crap where they would spend 15 minutes talking was stupid as fuck.





MJF is a fucking prick, and a believable one at that.

[Fignuts]

I honestly have to disagree. I love mjf, but no one acts that over top in real life, no matter how much of a dickhead they are. Reigns is the more realistic personality imo.

That said I could totally understand liking mjf more, as realistic doesn't necessarily mean more entertaining.

[xrodmuc316]

Fig is right, MJF is a dimestore by the book heel. Nothing he does is revolutionary, or even original. That is not to say he is not good at it, because he is, but lets not go overboard. He is nowhere near Roman's level.

[#1-norm-fan]

Nothing Roman is doing is revolutionary or original either. If you think that’s a knock against someone then you’ve gotta take points away from both guys.

[Triple A]

Feels like Roman Reigns does the same "acknowledge me" schtick every single week... seems like it was cool at first but seems boring and repetitive now that it's been going on for like a year... What is he doing that is so creative or revolutionary...

[Mr. Nerfect]

shes completely right. if he was indispensable he wouldnt have been dispensed.

you can blame creative, thats fine, but if your shit aint over your career will be. the end result is the same; doesnt matter who you blame.

the audience plays a major role in who eats and who starves and theyre a major factor in how the creative is shaped. if theyd boo heels they like and cheer babies they like and sit on their hands for the rest the business would improve 10 fold. but since theyre not actually smart, in the carny sense, this'll never happen.

if you dont see a correlation in the products quality and it being over ran by "smarks" (and fuck do i ever use that term loosely and begrudgingly) its only because your either not looking or unwilling to see it.

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Listen. To. This. Man.

[GD]

Does that man know how big Batista's dick is?

[Lock Jaw]

MJF more of a "Miz"-type heel, but that is actually "pushed consistently".... from what I have seen.... maybe he has "surpassed" The Miz now, but definitely got "Miz at his peak" kind of vibes from MJF....

[Sepholio]

MJF is a better version of The Miz at this point. It's like he did nothing but study what The Miz did and said to himself "now I'm going to do all of that better" and followed through.

[Jordan]

MJF is leagues above The Miz in the ring. Character wise MJF is in a different business altogether.

Yes I know The Miz had a good promo once on Talking Smack. That's it. He's always been a play actor wrestler. He's had times where he was close to being a real wrestler but pretty much he is crap.

[xrodmuc316]

Nothing Roman is doing is revolutionary or original either. If you think that’s a knock against someone then you’ve gotta take points away from both guys.

That is also correct. That said, I'll take a dominant badass heel over what MJF does. I'll take what Miro is doing over what Omega is doing as well.

[#1-norm-fan]

Reigns also needs Paul Heyman to make the act work.

MJF gets points for being one man. He’s his own Paul Heyman.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

As is Miro. And there’s nothing wrong with needing or having a manager, especially if that manager perfectly plays off the talent and enhances their character, which is what Callis does for Omega and for now, Heyman does with Reigns and what Heyman did work Lesnar.

[drave]

I honestly have to disagree. I love mjf, but no one acts that over top in real life, no matter how much of a dickhead they are. Reigns is the more realistic personality imo.

That said I could totally understand liking mjf more, as realistic doesn't necessarily mean more entertaining.


I can definitely dig heel Reigns, but at this point it is a bore. AAA's quote below nails it for me perfectly.


Fig is right, MJF is a dimestore by the book heel. Nothing he does is revolutionary, or even original. That is not to say he is not good at it, because he is, but lets not go overboard. He is nowhere near Roman's level.


He has had tons more originality to his promos than Reigns has. Reigns said some shit the first few weeks, now he repeats those same few lines but inserts a different name. Not taking away from him, it is what "creative has for him". It is just tiring now.


Feels like Roman Reigns does the same "acknowledge me" schtick every single week... seems like it was cool at first but seems boring and repetitive now that it's been going on for like a year... What is he doing that is so creative or revolutionary...


Exactly this right here. Something should have evolved a bit by now, a little bit anyway.


That is also correct. That said, I'll take a dominant badass heel over what MJF does. I'll take what Miro is doing over what Omega is doing as well.


Two different archetypes. Both are doing great with what they have. Really enjoy Miro's "Redeemer" promos. Why not both?



I can see people popping more when MJF gets his ass beat, or booing the fuck outta him and probably throwing whatever can be thrown, when he becomes AEW champ. He's had a slow burn rising, but has always remained hot. When he finally does ascend, it is going to piss people off in a very major way.


Reigns also needs Paul Heyman to make the act work.

MJF gets points for being one man. He’s his own Paul Heyman.


Right? Even Heyman was beginning to become tiresome with Lesnar toward the end. I get that sing along with the champ gives everyone the warm fuzzies, but it also urges me to change the channel.

[XL]

shes completely right. if he was indispensable he wouldnt have been dispensed.

you can blame creative, thats fine, but if your shit aint over your career will be. the end result is the same; doesnt matter who you blame.

the audience plays a major role in who eats and who starves and theyre a major factor in how the creative is shaped. if theyd boo heels they like and cheer babies they like and sit on their hands for the rest the business would improve 10 fold. but since theyre not actually smart, in the carny sense, this'll never happen.

if you dont see a correlation in the products quality and it being over ran by "smarks" (and fuck do i ever use that term loosely and begrudgingly) its only because your either not looking or unwilling to see it.

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The audience should play a major role, and should shape creative but you can’t genuinely say that’s what happens in WWE. There’s far too much evidence to the contrary. You’re asking the audience to just like what they’re being served regardless if it tastes like shit.

[Gerard]

Ronda Rousey getting in on it:


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It's amusing how much of a drama queen she is, she can't accept the fact she got booed and takes it personally. Then again this is the same person who Joe Rogan was never done "bigging up" in a ufc division with no real competition, when she actually got competition she got her ass handed to her, vanished and was supposedly contemplating suicide. :wtf:

Not sure if she has the mindset to be involved in wrestling if she's still taking all this personally. Cena was getting hostile reactions for the better part of a decade and took it all in his stride, she was just getting booed not even remotely on the level of Cena for a couple of months and it drove her up the wall.

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[drave]

It's still real to her, damnit!

[Lock Jaw]

The audience should play a major role, and should shape creative but you can’t genuinely say that’s what happens in WWE. There’s far too much evidence to the contrary. You’re asking the audience to just like what they’re being served regardless if it tastes like shit.

No, he was giving a hypothetical world where the audience liked what they like (and reacted with the proper boos or cheers), and for the stuff they don't like they would just be silent.

[Gerard]

It's still real to her, damnit!

Seems to be. :shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wrestling fans are definitely the worst. Their reactions to things, which often aren’t genuine, do often make the product impenetrable. I’ve said this before, but I know several people who refuse to go to wrestling shows or, especially, take their families to wrestling shows, because the fans are obnoxious twats that ruin the enjoyment for everyone else.

They think they’re so clever, but they’re not smart enough to see how they could enhance shows rather than hinder them. Easiest people in the world to work too. They still get worked even when you tell them you’re working and they’re absolutely hostile to the idea of being worked. It’s incredible.

[drave]

^


that post is a work, brudda

[James Steele]

Taking the absolute biggest break from wrestling that I ever have in my life. It was probably the thing I loved most. People don’t get it and say “wah, wah, wah — don’t watch then.” Well, it’s finally happening. Fuck wrestling.

Fuck AEW.
Fuck WWE.
Fuck the NWA.
Fuck New Japan.
Fuck classic wrestling.

It’s been easier than I suspect. I’ve checked the news a couple of times and listened to some Cornette YouTube clips (not his full show, I’m even off criticism of wrestling). I think I might be properly done soon.

Thanks for the memories, wrestling. You got me through some weird times growing up. But it’s time I realized you haven’t been good to me in a long, long time. Fuck off and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

The WWE surely gets a lot of the blame, but AEW was it for me. I just can’t. The self-indulgent disregard of there being any sort of art to this. The complete waste of potential. I went from being optimistic about wrestling to seeing so clearly that this is not going to be something a reasonable person can enjoy in record time.

So a special big fuck you to AEW for that. And also fuck TPWW for housing some of the most insecure and gormless little marks. I was right when I said WWE sucked way back, and I am right when I say AEW sucks right now.

I’m off to read some books or something.