AEW Dynamite "Homecoming": Juvi-Juice Running Wild

[Triple A]

new animated Darby Allin entrance video... cool...

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[slik]

Love that

[Evil Vito]

Was out last night so I watched on DVR this morning. So much great stuff on this show, was into most everything aside from Jericho/Juvi which made for a nice novelty but they were pretty much working in slow motion.

Six man tag was just chaotic fun. Those trios matches in AEW never seem to miss.....don't want to overdo it with titles but a trios tournament at some point feels like it needs to happen.

The Hangman/Dark Order/Elite angle got even more interesting than it already was. Seeing Uno and Stu actually hold the rest of the group back to try to honor his wishes really got me in the feels.

Hirsch looked awesome and I'm so glad she got to get a win on Dynamite.

Malakai just knocking Cody the fuck out was fantastic.

[XL]

Couldn’t shake the image that Moxley looks like Bully Ray.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I wanna know what Hangman had to say dammit. I think it’s pretty obvious we’re getting Christian v Omega at the PPV with Omega going over. Anybody else think they’re gonna save the big Hangman win for the Arthur Ashe show? Or push it out even further to Full Gear in November? I could see them trying to pop a rating if the rumors that Danielson is debuting on the grand slam show. Keep that rumor swirling, book the main event with Paige v Omega for the belt and see if you can top your best rating.

[Evil Vito]

It's tough to say because Page's wife is due to have their first baby this year and we don't know how much time he's going to want to take off for paternity leave. Mox dropped the belt and left for a month. Who knows if Page will want more time but I imagine AEW will be pretty accommodating especially given how stacked they are/will be more stacked after Punk and Danielson.

[Lock Jaw]

I wanna know what Hangman had to say dammit. I think it’s pretty obvious we’re getting Christian v Omega at the PPV with Omega going over. Anybody else think they’re gonna save the big Hangman win for the Arthur Ashe show? Or push it out even further to Full Gear in November? I could see them trying to pop a rating if the rumors that Danielson is debuting on the grand slam show. Keep that rumor swirling, book the main event with Paige v Omega for the belt and see if you can top your best rating.

If they had any brains, Christian would go over Omega and then go on to defeat CM Punk and Daniel Bryan in subsequent feuds.

[Fignuts]

Juvi vs Jericho was the shits but at least they finished strong. Wardlow being the next challenge is disappointing. Hopefully the last one is interesting.

Fun 6 man match. Horrible new name for everrise though.

The Elite promo. This is stupid. The Elite are stupid. Their whole wacky heels gimmick is better suited for a midcarder that you have no long term plans for. Not the top champions of your company. On one hand, they're trying to tell a serious story with Hangman and the dark order, while simultaneously acting as cartoonishly goofy as possible. I realize they're going for obnoxious, but they're taking it so far, that it's difficult to take them seriously as champions. It's infuriating because in New japan, they were 10 times more credible than they're being presented here. Because all the dumb shit was left for their youtube show. And you know what? I enjoyed BTE. Because it was separate, and I could appreciate it for what it was. I can't enjoy it when it's part of a (at times, at least) serious feud for the most coveted prizes in the company. These guys busted their ass to create a company, against all odds, to succeed in the modern wrestling market, and they're using their top titles to have circle jerks over their comedy routines. This is the kind of shit that is holding AEW back.

Christian vs Blade was a very good match. Should of ended with an unprettier as Christian's spear is fucking awful. Edge is back. There's no reason to pay tribute anymore. Feel like Christian needs to take a page from Jericho and reinvent himself. New finisher, New attitude. Feel like people wouldn't feel as worn out by him if he did it.

Hoping cash gets better soon. Feel like FTR will have a better match with PaP than they did with the bucks.

Great job with the beat down of page, Kaz, and the dark order. Too bad I couldn't take it seriously due to previously mentioned hijinks, and the world champion wearing a fucking cookie monster t-shirt. Maybe some people can tune out the silliness, but it's too contradictory to me, and my brain just isn't wired that way.

Dan Lambert segment was good. Hoping he brings pro wrestlers with mma or amateur experience, and not just mma guys who have never done any pro wrestling. The worst wrestling matches I've ever seen were when njpw brought in mma guys.

Johnson got in too much, imo. Some guy who's only gotten wins on dark should be squashed in 2 minutes. He shouldn't be testing one of the champions. Still, it was a decent match.

Saw Layla Hirsch in Stardom a few times. She's better than most of the women on aew's roster. Not sure if she's actually signed with them. They should remedy that if not.

Malakai Black stuff was great. Every bit of stop-start mismanaged crap the guy went through in WWE has been washed away on a few short weeks. Great job there.

[XL]

I felt the same about The Elite. They’re not helping themselves.

[Evil Vito]

To each their own. I personally think Kenny and The Bucks as irredeemable, obnoxious assholes are easily the best they've been in AEW.

For all that X-Rod or Vastardikai say about "EVPs getting pushed lolololol" they were getting criticized from people on here for losing as often as they did in the early days of AEW. "These guys made the company and are supposed to be some of the top guys but if they keep losing they won't feel special", now they're winning big matches and getting criticized for that. They can't win.

But character-wise it felt like they were just....there. Bucks had a stint of doing a half assed heel turn only to be face the next week, constantly the "will they won't they?" shit and it made me lose interest in them. Kenny on the other hand spent most of 2020 in a team with Page but he didn't have any real discernable character, just show up and do good wrestle things and call it a day. His gradual turn into a mega douche and then slowly roping the Bucks into it really worked for me.

Their characters might not be to everyone's tastes but it obviously is effective heel work. Crowds are rooting for Hangman to beat Omega vs. saying "meh, fuck the Elite" and changing the channel. Page feels like a bigger babyface for having The Elite to work opposite than he would be without them, and that's what good heel work is. It's sorta jarring to see heels actually being heels in this company after years of WWE conditioning where faces get booked to be even bigger assholes than the heels themselves.

The bigger thing though is everyone can see the endgame and that the heels will, eventually, get their comeuppance which is how it should be. Page will beat Omega for the belt, don't know where, don't know when, but it will happen. A hot face team will eventually knock off the Bucks too, my money is still on Santana and Ortiz once they finish their business with FTR.

[Evil Vito]

CM Punk has over the years claimed that CM has meant a variety of things. Among them: Chick Magnet, Chicago Made, Charles Montgomery....and Cookie Monster.

Omega you sonofabitch

[Lock Jaw]

Watched the Elite promo and agree with Fignuts assessment 100%. Ain't nobody who isn't already a fan that would tune in and see that and think it was good.

[Lock Jaw]

Except for enjoying BTE, that has always been garbage from what I have seen, which is admittedly not much because it was too cringeworthy

[Fignuts]

Like I said, I would probably enjoy the gimmick if it was a midcard act that wasn't meant to be taken too seriously. But it's a bad look for the top guys. It's like a movie that can't decide whether it's a serious drama or a comedy.

[Fignuts]

Also, I never criticized them for winning big matches. They're some of the bigger names on the roster and they should be winning most of their matches.

As for Omega, it wasn't his character that I had a problem with. He's always had a unique personality, which furthers my point that he doesn't need to be so over the top to stand out. People's main problem with omega at the start was how he was booked. He was the biggest name outside of WWE, but after the brief moxley program he wasn't really booked like he was special. He's not come anywhere close to the level he was at when he won the iwgp title, neither in ring, or how he's been booked.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

To each their own. I’ve enjoyed the Elite’s heel work because they’re at least invested in it and it doesn’t come off fake or disingenuous, like when Matt tried cutting serious intense promos despite not at all looking intimidating. The douchebag heel role senses then way better. Omega is goofy as shit and I don’t mind it like I did when I was watching him Japan. Probably because for whatever reason I took NJPW a little more seriously. I don’t think there’sa wrong answer here.

[Triple A]

I'm a big fan of the goofy heel gimmicks, this iteration of "the Elite" is the most entertaining they have ever been to me

Feels like they are still treated as very credible and strong in the ring

[Mr. Nerfect]

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That’s the biggest load of shit. Not one guy is any better off for being in there with Cody fucking Rhodes. AEW fans are so delusional. Either that or they’re just liars.

You’ve got HHH, then you’ve got JJ, then you’ve got C. Fuck Cody, and fuck anyone who lies about him being anything other than a mid-card drama Queen and glory hound. He’s a boring wrestler, a misguided promo, wrestling mind wannabe.

AEW sucks. Who would watch this shit? You’ve got Aleister Black, that fucking beacon of charisma, pretending to be an MMA fighter with eye make-up on. It’s steaming garbage. And you all eat it up and help perpetuate this awful, awful content.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Everything about this promotion reeks of try-hard small dick energy. Fuck you all. AEW sucks. Its fans suck. It’s helping make this the worst period of wrestling fandom, something which used to fucking matter and now doesn’t. Thanks a fucking lot, AEW — at least I get Kenny Omega and Malakai Black! Yay! Fuck.

[#1-norm-fan]

Hey, Noid. Remember when you ranted about AEW fucking up by throwing the title on Adam Page even though it hadn’t happened yet because it was clearly GOING to happen so a preemptive “fuck AEW” rant was justified?

It looks less and less likely to happen. If it doesn’t happen, will you admit you were wrong for shitting on them for a thing you projected to happen?

Long time listener. Thanks for taking my question.

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, your absence from the one thread currently watching the good shit live every Thursday night at 9 EST/ 6 PST while coming in to AEW threads to discuss the bad shit is troubling. You’re my fucking target audience.

[Triple A]

That’s the biggest load of shit. Not one guy is any better off for being in there with Cody fucking Rhodes.

yes they are,

[Triple A]

Everything about this promotion reeks of try-hard small dick energy. Fuck you all. AEW sucks. Its fans suck. It’s helping make this the worst period of wrestling fandom, something which used to fucking matter and now doesn’t. Thanks a fucking lot, AEW — at least I get Kenny Omega and Malakai Black! Yay! Fuck.

Calm down man...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hey, Noid. Remember when you ranted about AEW fucking up by throwing the title on Adam Page even though it hadn’t happened yet because it was clearly GOING to happen so a preemptive “fuck AEW” rant was justified?

It looks less and less likely to happen. If it doesn’t, will you admit you were wrong for shitting on them for that thing you projected to happen?

I didn’t say they already put the belt on him. You’ve got weird issues there, man. IF that was the plan, they were doing it shit. They don’t get props for fucking up talent, lol. They suck at pushing people and a failed push deserves its own criticism.

Why does everyone feel the need to defend this horseshit? They’ve even got people like you trying to catch criticism in weird and petty gotcha moments based on semantics and deliberately missing the actual point of an argument.

IF they wanted to push Adam Page, they are doing it wrong.

IF they don’t push Adam Page, they’ve made a wrong decision.

There is no way this company looks good either way. And that’s not a trick of of twisting logic, that’s just their own fucking fault.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Calm down man...

Who is better and how are they better?

MJF was never hotter than he was prior to the Cody feud. MJF won the match and then floundered for months. Apologists for this company went from saying he should be the company’s third champion to saying he isn’t ready. Because they didn’t make him ready. Because they can’t.

Brodie Lee wore pyjamas and was the leader of the worst faction of all-time. He was never better than Wyatt Family Harper. Just because he won the TNT Title in a boring squash doesn’t mean he’s better off. Losing to someone doesn’t make people care about them. And Cody does this squash thing regularly it seems, probably because he’s got no other moves to actually putting someone over.

I can’t even remember who was even on that list. Was Ogogo on there? How’s that going? I can’t even rack my brain for someone who could even fit on there. Wow, great job getting them over, man.

And no I won’t “calm down.” Stop projecting a mood onto me and using that to try and dismiss what I say instead of actually making a point. That’s all these forums are. A bunch of idiots who know this shit is awful deep-down trying to tell off people for pointing it out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Darby Allin was another name on there. He got over because he does crazy high risk stuff and lays it in. Good little worker. What’s this? Cody hears he’s getting over. Better lose a match to you and raise your hand. Enjoy your mid-card title, haha.

Eddie Kingston is on that list too. I don’t even remember them having a match. Way to go, Codes Rhodes. Eddie Kingston is known for being Moxley’s friend and the goober who sold their production botch like death, haha.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wow, he really put over that Shaquille O’Neal kid too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Insert gif of Cody holding his hand up to his ear here.

[fundiddle]

codes rhodes, lol


that juvi match was kinda crappy

[Mr. Nerfect]

Some jabroni named Juventud.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Chris Jericho is a good gauge to see whether or not you treat AEW fairly or if you’ve worked yourself into liking it. If you can’t see that Jericho sucks now and is a mess, you’ve got AEW goggles on. Regular people see him and “what the shit happened to Jericho, how is he still wrestling?”

[Jordan]

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[Jordan]

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[Vastardikai]

To each their own. I personally think Kenny and The Bucks as irredeemable, obnoxious assholes are easily the best they've been in AEW.

For all that X-Rod or Vastardikai say about "EVPs getting pushed lolololol" they were getting criticized from people on here for losing as often as they did in the early days of AEW. "These guys made the company and are supposed to be some of the top guys but if they keep losing they won't feel special", now they're winning big matches and getting criticized for that. They can't win.

I am honored that you mentioned me. Omega has been very well protected. Despite his 10 losses those first couple of years, he's actually been pinned a grand total of 5 times. In order. Jericho, Moxley, Pentagon (tag match), PAC, and Jericho AND Guevara (tag match). Usually, it was Nakazawa or Page taking the fall in multi-man matches. Only person Omega hasn't gotten his singles win back (multiple times over) from was Jericho. Like I said, well protected.

As for the Bucks, they have their signature fluke loss spot, which is getting victory rolled while attempting the Meltzer Driver. I am not going to go into as much detail with the Bucks as I did Omega, because god damn I can't stand the Young Bucks matches. I just fast forwarded to the end of the Omega stuff.

I'm not really giving them shit on the fact that they are winning all the time. Hell, I get the booker booking themselves on top. It's kind of shitty, but I understand it. That said, what I don't get is putting yourself over in a way that makes your opponent look like a complete doofus. Adam Page is dead as fuck. Kazarian is deader. Who is the #1 contender for the tag titles? What tag team looks competitive?

[#1-norm-fan]

I didn’t say they already put the belt on him. You’ve got weird issues there, man. IF that was the plan, they were doing it shit.

IF it wasn’t the plan then this...

AEW have made the same mistake as WWE and have assumed that the belt makes the man and not vice versa.

Was a pretty bad “gotcha” against AEW. And no “BUT THEY MADE THIS OTHER MISTAKE!” diversion is gonna make it look better. And I will continue to shame you for it even more if AEW does not “make that WWE mistake” and put the title on Cole because it’s a glaring example of a bigger issue with you.

You try-harded and failed. It’s clear as day to everyone but you. When you can admit that then your other gripes can be taken seriously. As it stands, you’re doing a weird CyNick thing with your logic. It’s gross. I don’t like it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Drag his ass fan.

I can’t tell wtf here is arguing but if he’s saying that putting the belt on hangman is being done yo try and get him over, then he’s hilariously wrong. Hangman is already over workout the belt, has been over since limited crowds were allowed, and has been spelt getting built up to the main event. Idk how you can take a two plus year slow burn push and claim it’s being done to get him over when the whole journey so far is doing that job.

[#1-norm-fan]

I remember seeing Hangman in ROH and finding him really generic. Watching early AEW I actually started liking him. Old school alcoholic cowboy suits him well.

Can’t really speak on how he’s been lately. Seems like they’ve protected him to some extent though.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

After losing to Omega late last year in the title contender tournament he’s only been pinned twice and one of them was in a handicap situation. They’ve been protecting him very well.

[Maluco]

I am a casual viewer who reads results and the like, but I Hangman has really caught my eye on YouTube highlights and the like. I really like his look and character and think he is the potential genuine star out of the initial group.

That Malachi Black debut definitely caught the attention though. You just can’t have Cody come back and beat him. He already feels like a bigger star after one match and how his whole presentation is put together.

Cody and the Young Bucks could end up Jarretting AEW if they don’t let better performers and more over stars pass them by.

Jericho is done too, but who is there that is going to tell him that? His weight has taken away his speed and athleticism and his matches look like a crawl now.

Their problem, going forward, is having those guys in key positions in the company while still performing. That could end up being what handicaps them if stars come in and are forced to stay at their level, exchanging wins, instead of decisively flying past what are essentially midcarders.

[Jordan]

Cody and the Bucks are not Jarretting anything, they are maintaining their drawing ability for the company which is necessary while rubbing off on less famous talent to elevate them. The Bucks are still the biggest name in the tag division in the company. Cody is rarely a main event and is only featured in like one in three episodes usually.

I'd say if anything though the Bucks are less of a draw than they were before AEW started. I could be wrong but it kinda feels that way.

[Maluco]

I know AEW fans think differently, but Cody is a midcarder. He looks, feels and acts like a midcarder and he puts himself in feuds with focus and dramatic stories because he feels like he is a bigger star than he is. That’s the truth of it.

The Bucks, in my opinion, are everything that is wrong with wrestling. The lack of psychology in their matches, the spotfests, their look. They will never elevate AEW above where it is now. They are awful. Tag teams that can actually work and tell stories in the ring should be getting the focus of the division. Let the Bucks do a Rockers and open the card.

Time has come for these guys to move down the card and afford those with a genuine chance of being real stars the spotlight.

[slik]

The Bucks are my least favorite part of AEW

[#1-norm-fan]

The Bucks are abysmal. I don’t think Cody is “Jarretting” anything. He was in the world title picture early because he needed to be but then he stepped out and now is constantly putting potential stars over while beating opening guys to keep his losses impactful.

The Bucks on the other hand are nowhere near the tag team Gods they seem to think they are and it ruins the division. Pretty sure they brought FTR in mostly to feed their ego.

[Fignuts]

Cody does act like a bigger star than he is, but that's a good thing. It's part of what makes him interesting and fun to watch. And when he does eventually turn heel, it's going to work in his favor even more.

[Maluco]

I will take your word for it guys, but he seemed to make the loss to Black all about him, much like Hogan used to do back in the day. Ok, you finally get the win, but the sympathy and attention stays with me.

If he comes back and competes with Black, it isn’t an interesting story and he will have made it all about him and his story again. Let’s wait and see…

[Jordan]

I could understand the "Cody is a mid-carder nothing more" rhetoric if you'd only watched him in WWE but Cody outside of WWE has been a main event talent. He excelled outside of WWE to the point he was an instrumental figure in the rise of AEW.

I know he's not as flashy as Kenny Omega but he doesn't try to be. And I know there has been several times in the past year he's come off a bit Memphis white meat babyface, and that hasn't been a hit with everyone. But even through the flaws he's presented in AEW thus far, he's still got a true connection to the audience and a huge crowd favorite. For me when Cody was in the feud with Jericho and the months after that were supposed to lead up to the first Blood 'n Guts in Newark, Cody was my favorite worker in the world and I'd say one of the best in the world at the time.

That wasn't too long ago and AEW has tried to scale his role down to feature others but he will get into a really hot program again soon and you'll see that incredibly high level of connection that he has to to the audience.

Yeah I'm a fan of the Codester.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cody vs Dustin was some main event storytelling. I just hate that the drama that followed the match was just used to put over the Dumb Fucks.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Cody has done more on screen to help establish and build new stars and been in far more interesting feuds than Omega and the Bucks combined. Only a main event player can do that and still maintain credibility and be a believable contender. Cody is certainly that these days. He’s come a long way from being the skinny kid in legacy.