WWE: SummerSlam 2021

[Bad News Gertner]

What a show! Wall to Wall excitement!

9.5/10

That's how it's done AEW!

R.I P

[xrodmuc316]

Good main. Brock's new look is cool.

But a pretty shit show overall. Really struggled to hold my attention for a lot of it

AEW wins

LOL sure it did.

[Bad News Gertner]

WWE won 9.5/10 to 4/10

[Lock Jaw]

Brock Lesnar outpopped CM Punk.

[DAMN iNATOR]

The only problem is Lesnar might have to handle a live mic.

I still can't unhear "Eddie stoled my title!" from that awful promo on the SD! after No Way Out 2004.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lesnar just murdered Cena <a href="https://t.co/kMxnlueFYW">pic.twitter.com/kMxnlueFYW</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Zarian (@AndrewZarian) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewZarian/status/1429295027331559424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LOL poor John

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Man I can’t help but feel for Bianca. 8 months of build where she’s running through everyone, main eventing Mania, and a huge focal point of her show, and for reasons that defy logic they threw that all away and wasted what could’ve been a big match strictly for a pop lol.

I think getting the belt on Becky fine. Hell, you could have her win and knock Belair down a peg, and Belair spends the rest of year trying to get back to the title picture while Becky disposes of the heels. Bianca finds her way back to Mania and you have her rematch with Becky after 6 months of keeping them apart and building each back up to get to that moment.

But nope lol let’s just have the woman we’ve strapped a rocket to the entire year lose to someone who’s been gone for that entire time frame in 30 seconds. That’ll definitely build interest in a rematch.

[xrodmuc316]

Brock Lesnar outpopped CM Punk.

That is true

[Evil Vito]

7 pages for a PPV. Weak as shit.

[Lock Jaw]

Especially after Becky was all "let's tear the house down" and the crowd was so rabid for a good fight...

[xrodmuc316]

Wow Vito really is pissed AEW just got upstaged, first bringing up AEW winning and now going back to a played out quote from 10 months ago? How much time did you waste searching for that just because Gertner said WWE Won? :rofl:

[BigCrippyZ]

:lol: This reeks of a desperate, out of touch, possibly delusional and/or senile, old man, wanting to stay “relevant”, who can write essentially unlimited checks, and who for whatever reason, pathetically falsely believes that he is, or is at least capable of and should be, making “A level” movies. It’s hilarious and it would be sad if it wasn’t pathetic.

One young guy acknowledges his actual industry passion and its fans, meanwhile, one ashamed guy repeatedly unsuccessfully tries to outsmart and escape his same reality.

[Bad News Gertner]

7 pages because WWE fans are glued to the wall to wall action and don't have time to post.

[Bad News Gertner]

Meanwhile AEW fans with their nerd calculators texting each other after every punch because the action is so bad

[GD]

Hey Gertner, stop abusing your mod powers. It’s not cool.

[rez]

yeah...Gertner is losing his edge. It's starting to be a fall from grace.

[rez]

I see Dave. You're plotting for King of the Forum. I'd support it

[Bad News Gertner]

Hey Gertner, stop abusing your mod powers. It’s not cool.

What are you talking about?

[Gerard]

Brock Lesnar outpopped CM Punk.


15000 attendance vs an alleged 51000 attendance, hardly surprising.

[GD]

What are you talking about?

Grow up.

[Gerard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lesnar just murdered Cena <a href="https://t.co/kMxnlueFYW">pic.twitter.com/kMxnlueFYW</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Zarian (@AndrewZarian) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewZarian/status/1429295027331559424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Careful Brock, you don't want to show too much of your moveset...oh wait...that's it all? Ok. :|

[Bad News Gertner]

Grow up.

Seriously, what are you talking about? I've never deleted a Skeletor post before.

[#1-norm-fan]

Brock is a prime example of a guy who is fucking incredible but I couldn’t really care less about anymore because WWE.

There’s intrigue in Heyman’s role between he and Reigns.

Outside of that, the guy was beaten soundly in feuds against Seth Rollins and Drew McIntyre. Lol They can assume everyone is gullible and they can just constantly bring him back and pretend he’s this unstoppable beast that _____ should be terrified of all they want. That’s not how storytelling works though. His character is a loser. Why should I buy him as a threat anymore?

[Gerard]

His character is a loser. Why should I buy him as a threat anymore?


The mid life crisis haircut and beard, perhaps? :shifty:

[#1-norm-fan]

He’s a new man. He’s gone unhinged and gotten a crazy haircut. I could get behind THE LUNATIC FRINGE Brock Lesnar.

[Sepholio]

They gonna build him as a monster again until they feed him to Lesnar Jr (That Parker guy down in developmental, you know the one).

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Brock is a prime example of a guy who is fucking incredible but I couldn’t really care less about anymore because WWE.

There’s intrigue in Heyman’s role between he and Reigns.

Outside of that, the guy was beaten soundly in feuds against Seth Rollins and Drew McIntyre. Lol They can assume everyone is gullible and they can just constantly bring him back and pretend he’s this unstoppable beast that _____ should be terrified of all they want. That’s not how storytelling works though. His character is a loser. Why should I buy him as a threat anymore?

Let’s also not forget…Brock has to cut his own promos.

[xrodmuc316]

His character is a loser. Why should I buy him as a threat anymore?

Because no matter how many people he has put over, he is still the former UFC Heavyweight Champion, and everybody knows if it wasn't scripted fighting he would murder 99.99999999999999999999% of Earth's adult male population.

He hasn't lost that credibility.

[#1-norm-fan]

Why are you using “if it wasn’t scripted” to explain why his character in a scripted world is credible?

[Fignuts]

Did I miss something? Heyman is no longer with lesnar now?

[#1-norm-fan]

If you’re suspending disbelief and it wasn’t scripted then that would mean he’s been soundly defeated in recent years by midcarders. So his credibility suffers.

If you’re accepting it as being its own scripted world then the character he’s playing has been soundly defeated in recent years by midcarders. So his credibility suffers.

If you want to ignore the scripted fights and only focus on the real ones then why the fuck should I care about his next scripted fight?

No matter how you look at it, there’s a major problem. There’s no reason to buy into him as a threat in the very show they’re presenting anymore other than WWE simply telling you “OMG UNSTOPPABLE BEEEAST!!!!!” and counting on your gullibility.

[#1-norm-fan]

Did I miss something? Heyman is no longer with lesnar now?

I don’t think he ever actually dropped Lesnar as a client. Lesnar just went away and a Heyman took on Reigns as a client.

[xrodmuc316]

Why are you using “if it wasn’t scripted” to explain why his character in a scripted world is credible?

Because even if his character loses, he is still Brock Lesnar. Just like Kurt Angle, no matter how often he lost, he was still a gold medalist. Outside accomplishments like that will always give them more credibility than any scripted loss.

[#1-norm-fan]

They’re promoting scripted matches. If the results of his scripted matches don’t effect his character then why should anyone care about his scripted matches? This is a form of the “wins and losses don’t matter” mentality that has made WWE unwatchable.

They either matter or they don’t. You can’t have it both ways.

[XL]

Nobody talking about Cena’s bald spot up in here? Dude almost as bald as Steve Austin!

[GD]

Seriously, what are you talking about? I've never deleted a Skeletor post before.

Stop being a baby, Gertner.

[Gerard]

Nobody talking about Cena’s bald spot up in here? Dude almost as bald as Steve Austin!

He's had that thinning spot 10+ years now, just looks more obvious with the longer hair.

[Bad News Gertner]

Stop being a baby, Gertner.

You won't bully me Skeletor!

[xrodmuc316]

They’re promoting scripted matches. If the results of his scripted matches don’t effect his character then why should anyone care about his scripted matches? This is a form of the “wins and losses don’t matter” mentality that has made WWE unwatchable.

They either matter or they don’t. You can’t have it both ways.

Yes, they matter, but they dont matter enough that they hurt his credibility. No matter who beats him, when he walks out he still former UFC Heavyweight Champion. Unlike almost any other wrestler who your point i'd agree with 100%, his fake fighting character can lose but he still has that UFC credibility. It happened, and that is part of his WWE Character whether he wins or loses.

[GD]

You won't bully me Skeletor!

Start acting your age, Gertner.

[#1-norm-fan]

If his stock is not effected by wins and losses then wins and losses don’t matter. If wins and losses don’t matter then his matches don’t matter.

It’s fine to use his UFC history as part of his character but you don’t get to ignore the stuff you’ve actually booked and the story you’ve actually told in wrestling WITHIN wrestling.

[Bad News Gertner]

Start acting your age, Gertner.

12?

[xrodmuc316]

If his stock is not effected by wins and losses then wins and losses don’t matter. If wins and losses don’t matter then his matches don’t matter.

Again, they matter, just not as much as what he accomplished in real combat sports.

[GD]

12?

12-year olds would probably act more responsibly as a moderator.

[#1-norm-fan]

If someone made a movie about Mike Tyson and throughout the movie Mike Tyson constantly gets his ass kicked in boxing matches by nobodies but everyone ignores it and still just promotes him as an unstoppable boxer would that be proper storytelling to you because “real life”?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I’d buy the “respect UFC Champions” line more if we didn’t all unanimously laugh Cain Velazquez out of the building.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also AEW had two UFC Heavyweight Champions on Dynamite so I guess we have to respect them too?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also also to clarify on the Gertner editing posts claim: Gertner has only edited or deleted Skeletor’s posts under his Noid sock. Gertner has not edited or deleted Skeltor’s posts under his Skeletor gimmick. Thanks.

[GD]

Also also to clarify on the Gertner editing posts claim: Gertner has only edited or deleted Skeletor’s posts under his Noid sock. Gertner has not edited or deleted Skeletor’s posts. Thanks.



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[Bad News Gertner]

Naw that wasn't me. It was probably Slik.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SummerSlam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SummerSlam</a> <a href="https://t.co/38vTjHHpcu">pic.twitter.com/38vTjHHpcu</a></p>&mdash; Adam Pacitti (@adampacitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/adampacitti/status/1429295409684520961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I literally have access to the moderator board which shows who has edited posts.

I come from a place of knowledge.

[GD]

I literally have access to the moderator board which shows who has edited posts.

I come from a place of knowledge.

:roll:

[xrodmuc316]

If someone made a movie about Mike Tyson and throughout the movie Mike Tyson constantly gets his ass kicked in boxing matches by nobodies but everyone ignores it and still just promotes him as an unstoppable boxer would that be proper storytelling to you because “real life”?

Is he portraying Mike Tyson in the movie? Better question, if Mike Tyson lost 3 of his last 4 professional boxing matches, hasnt had a professional bout in 16, and is 55 years old, why did AEW still promote him as Iron Mike Tyson?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYzr6IHUcAANfVB.jpg

Answer is because regardless how many losses he had, he still has those credentials, he knocked out all those people.

Is this because of Punk? Do we have to ignore Brock's credentials in order to be able to ignore Punk being so terribly bad he got tickled by a part time photographer/announcer in an actual MMA fight?

[#1-norm-fan]

Better question, if Mike Tyson lost 3 of his last 4 professional boxing matches, hasnt had a professional bout in 16, and is 55 years old, why did AEW still promote him as Iron Mike Tyson?

... Because that’s his nickname. It’s literally just the name he goes by. So they call him that. Jesus. How did you think that was a logical response? Your desperate “But AEW!” diversion attempt is denied. Answer the question...

If someone made a movie about Mike Tyson and throughout the movie Mike Tyson constantly gets his ass kicked in boxing matches by nobodies but everyone ignores it and still just promotes him as an unstoppable boxer would that be proper storytelling to you because “real life”?

Is he portraying Mike Tyson in the movie?

Yes. I thought that “a movie ABOUT Mike Tyson” part would make that clear.

[xrodmuc316]

... Because that’s his nickname. It’s literally just the name he goes by. So they call him that. Jesus. How did you think that was a logical response? Your desperate “But AEW!” Diversion is denied. Answer the question...





Yes. I thought that “a movie ABOUT Mike Tyson” part would make that clear.

Dont do that "but AEW" bit. You know that was not at all a knock at AEW. That was just saying Iron Mike Tyson is still promoted as Iron Mike Tyson because he earned that rep.

Brock Lesnar will always be a badass combat athlete because he has earned that rep.

Movie character Mike Tyson can lose, and actual Mike Tyson would still have earned the baddest man on the planet moniker.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Mike Tyson is a former world heavyweight champion. We must respect him, and therefore AEW.


These rules are confusing but I guess we have to go with it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Movie character Mike Tyson can lose, and actual Mike Tyson would still have earned the baddest man on the planet moniker.

So is that a “yes” to my question?

If someone made a movie about Mike Tyson and throughout the movie Mike Tyson constantly gets his ass kicked in boxing matches by nobodies but everyone ignores it and still just promotes him as an unstoppable boxer would that be proper storytelling to you because “real life”?

[xrodmuc316]

Mike Tyson is a former world heavyweight champion. We must respect him, and therefore AEW.


These rules are confusing but I guess we have to go with it.

Literally said nothing about AEW other than they correctly promoted Mike Tyson.

[xrodmuc316]

So is that a “yes” to my question?

Its the same thing ive already said, it matters, just not more than his actual credentials.

Kurt Angle lost his last match to Baron Corbin, we all thought that was dumb. That said, if Kurt showed up in lets say Impact, so as not to get any "but AEW" anger, would fans pop and want to see him, or would they shit on it because he lost to Baron Corbin?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I see xrod is still jobbing to fan and either refusing to answer a question or exposing his lack of reading comprehension

[xrodmuc316]

I see everybody might have forgot xrod is blocked for me, and and and I havent reminded them in like 2 weeks, THEY NEED TO KNOW!!!!!!!! IT'S SOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!

[#1-norm-fan]

Why can’t you actually answer the question I asked? It’s pretty telling.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I wanna see what they’re gonna do with Belair. They can’t undo such an awful moment, and I don’t think it’s going to galvanize the fans to get behind her the way it did with Daniel Bryan, but I do wanna see how they try to talk their way around it if they do or Bianca is just pushed to the back of the line while Becky starts steamrolling the rest of the division.

[xrodmuc316]

Why can’t you actually answer the question I asked? It’s pretty telling.

I've answered it 4 times.

Yes, wins and losses matter. No, they don't hurt Brock Lesnar's credibility. Seth Rollins did not curb stomp Lesnar's credentials away.

[#1-norm-fan]

Holy shit, dude. That’s not the question. Let me quote the question for a 3rd time...

If someone made a movie about Mike Tyson and throughout the movie Mike Tyson constantly gets his ass kicked in boxing matches by nobodies but everyone ignores it and still just promotes him as an unstoppable boxer would that be proper storytelling to you because “real life”?

[xrodmuc316]

Holy shit, dude. That’s not the question. Let me quote the question for a 3rd time...

I already answered that too...

Movie character Mike Tyson can lose, and actual Mike Tyson would still have earned the baddest man on the planet moniker.

[#1-norm-fan]

That does not answer the question.

Why is answering a simple yes or no question so fucking hard for you?

[xrodmuc316]

That does not answer the question.

Why is answering a simple yes or no question so fucking hard for you?

That is my answer, it is not a yes or no answer. You hypothetical question is answered, if you dislike the answer I am sorry.

[#1-norm-fan]

This is why attempts at a discourse with you devolve into people just insulting your reading comprehension or just calling you dumb. At least it did when people still tried to engage you. Now it’s just my stubborn ass here pulling teeth.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lesnar has lost to Cena, Rollins, Taker, Reigns and McIntyre during his run. One of those guys is retired, two of them are working in the midcard and failed at being top babyfaces and aren’t anywhere near the title picture, one was already a star and even bigger now they didn’t need to beat him to get there while the other needed a complete character change to get where he was supposed to be 6 years ago.

Lesnar is an amazing talent that’s been wasted to help create new stars through no fault of his own.

[Vastardikai]

So, is this argument being made that no one in the history of ever is worth following because, at some point, they lost a match? Wins and losses matter, but sometimes the losses don't matter as much because of "Long Term Storytelling." I mean the actual kind.

Hell, let's replace Brock Lesnar with Minoru Suzuki. Suzuki is a legitimate badass and has lost a LOT more than Lesnar. Does that mean people don't follow him? No. Because the guy is also a legitimate bad ass who carries himself like such. He has that same aura and is also charismatic as fuck.

Folks can take losses and it not hurt them if they have something that makes people care about them. They do have to win eventually, else you get the Ryback thing, but the Rock lost to the fucking Hurricane. Did that end him? Hell no, he was STILL the biggest deal in the WWE, and was the god damned Rock. And the loss to the Hurricane led to <strike>Hurricane getting "buried" by Triple H</strike> The Rock having a banger of a match with Austin at Wrestlemania, IIRC.

What I am saying is, the occasional loss shouldn't affect a guy unless there was nothing there in the first place.

[Ruien]

Brock has not lost to a weak opponent. He lost his aura because he has been around for a long time.

[Ruien]

I still get excited to see him toss people around though.

[#1-norm-fan]

Brock has not lost to a weak opponent. He lost his aura because he has been around for a long time.

You can’t have a guy job in the majority of his feuds, including losing clean as a whistle to SETH ROLLINS in a few minutes multiple times and still seriously act like “OMG WHO CAN STOP THIS BEAST?!?!”

[Bad News Gertner]

Gotta say, I agree with xrodmuc

[#1-norm-fan]

:eek:

[Sepholio]

Gotta say, I agree with xrodmuc

Feels like Fan is just being antagonistic for the sake of it here.

[#1-norm-fan]

We were having a nice civil discussion and I asked xrod a question. He realized the honest answer would prove my point and did everything to divert and not actually answer the question. Fuck him.

[Sepholio]

Feels like you're still doing it and making excuses now.

[#1-norm-fan]

... Why do I feel like there was some “Let’s just troll the wrestling forum” agreement in casual that I missed?

[Sepholio]

There was no deal. This is all organic. It's happening and you can't stop it.

This is kinda weird though as I was under the assumption you were the one trolling here.

[#1-norm-fan]

I can actually KINDA see how asking a simple question to someone I know deep down will be unwilling or unable to answer it given their history can be seen as some form of trolling.

Fair point.

[Loose Cannon]

Seeing Lesnar step up to Reigns was really cool. I think the 3rd or 4th or whatever honeymoon with Lesnar will end quickly though. I feel like everyone couldn't wait till he finally left last time. I think they'll book Reigns to go over him clean (which they should) and Lesnar can stay out of the title picture and maybe just wrestle in attraction matches for his new deal. Kind of like a way better Goldberg.

I did actually enjoy the Goldberg angle brining his son into the equation. It did add another layer to the feud and makes me want to see at least one more match between him and Lashley.

[drave]

If Brock gives a damn, maybe. He got lazy and boring last time, that was his problem.


The father//son thing was done to death with the Mysterios over the last decade and a half. Eh.

[Gerard]

Lesnar is an amazing talent that’s been wasted to help create new stars through no fault of his own.

Or he WOULD be if he actually gave a shit about the match and didn't resort to doing 2 moves over and over. His matches got stale long ago, and it's not like he doesn't have anything else in his repertoire, he just chooses to do the bare minimum.

[Jordan]

I think that Lesnar's loses don't matter as much to the non-Twitter/forum addicted wrestling fan. He's a draw to the larger portion of the WWE audience.

[drave]

And that's all that really matters.

[#1-norm-fan]

Right. That portion of the WWE audience gets smaller and smaller every year though. And poor storytelling/character development is the main reason why. That’s the exact shit that matters to a mainstream audience. The IWC is gonna watch and spend money even WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING the show is technically awful. Normal people are gonna tune out.

There’s only so long that putting a name on a marquee can stay special simply because it’s a name people recognize.

[Jordan]

Yeah I think that WWE is in big trouble when it comes to this tactic of promoting "the legend returns". I mean what legends do they have that can fit that bill? Sure Randy Orton one day can play that role but I'm struggling to find others.

Bobby Lashley who has finally hit his character and career stride is already at the age where you'd want for "the legend returns". Maybe he will still be able to pull it off in his 50's but he's already talking about wanting the "Goldberg schedule".

No argument from me that WWE has got to make some relevant young stars ASAP. I think they are trying but it's just not working, at least for me.

[xrodmuc316]

We were having a nice civil discussion and I asked xrod a question. He realized the honest answer would prove my point and did everything to divert and not actually answer the question. Fuck him.

There it is, my answer was not the answer you wanted, and that pissed you off.

[#1-norm-fan]

I wanted an answer to the question I was asking so we could move forward with the discussion.

You constantly answered different questions that weren’t being asked.

So... TECHNICALLY, you are correct.

It’s more annoying because I really wanted to get into why your Kurt Angle analogy was terrible but constantly letting you off the hook to go to another topic doesn’t do any good.

[xrodmuc316]

I wanted an answer to the question I was asking so we could move forward with the discussion.

You constantly answered different questions that weren’t being asked.

So... TECHNICALLY, you are correct.

Just because I didn't answer it as "yes" or "no" does not mean I did not answer.

If the ONLY 2 acceptable answers to you are "yes" or "no", then are you really trying to move a discussion forward, or are you trying to end the discussion?

[#1-norm-fan]

1) Just because it was a yes or no question doesn’t mean the answer HAS to just be “yes” or “no”. You’re free to elaborate.

2) If you don’t elaborate, a yes or a no doesn’t = the end of a discussion. It’s a new step toward the point I’m trying to make. It’s really fucking weird that you think answering a question within an argument with “yes” or “no” ends the entire discussion.

The problem wasn’t the lack of a “yes” or “no”. The problem was the lack of an answer that actually addressed the question being asked. Do you need me to try one last time to make the question more clear for you?

[#1-norm-fan]

I may regret this because it’ll probably just muddle things more.... but fuck it. Gonna try to kill two birds with on stone.

Kurt Angle lost his last match to Baron Corbin, we all thought that was dumb. That said, if Kurt showed up in lets say Impact, so as not to get any "but AEW" anger, would fans pop and want to see him, or would they shit on it because he lost to Baron Corbin?

Why did you knock Kurt Angle down to Impact in this analogy? Why not keep him in WWE and have him come back to face Roman? He’s an Olympic gold medallist, ffs. It’s almost as if you’ve decided his fake fights have knocked him down a peg in the world of fake fighting.

Also, why was it dumb for him to get beaten quickly by Corbin? Job him to whoever. Who cares? He’s still Kurt Angle.

[Fignuts]

I don’t think he ever actually dropped Lesnar as a client. Lesnar just went away and a Heyman took on Reigns as a client.

If that's the case, then Heyman running away like a chicken shit heel doesn't make sense. If there was never a falling out, then you'd think he'd try to mediate rather than just run away.

[#1-norm-fan]

The clip I saw just had him looking worried and putting his head in his hand as if to say “Oh fuck. I thought he was gone for good. Now he’s gonna wanna be top dog again. How am I gonna fix this?” I didn’t see him running away.

Did he drop Lesnar as a client officially at any point though?

Like I said, Heyman is the interesting part of the story. If they’re smart they’ll keep him playing the fence until the match itself before begrudgingly turning on Brock. Outside of that story, Brock jobs to lesser guys. I don’t buy him vs Roman as the epic showdown they’ll make it out to be. It’s just Roman vs a slightly more credible 50/50 booking guy.

[#1-norm-fan]

By the way, when I saw you had replied after a page-and-a-half of arguing, I was sure your post would just read “boola boola”. Missed opportunity.

[Fignuts]

I was likewise disappointed that your long argument with xrod did not end with boola boola.

We need to be better.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

They’ve done Roman and Brock to death. Hopefully with the rules reversed, they change up their match formula and just have two tanks near the tar outta each other back and forth until Heyman inevitably turns on Lesnar.

[Evil Vito]

The crowd shat on so many Brock/Roman matches....dunno how different they can really expect it to be this time but maybe face Brock helps offset that a bit.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I think there’s still some post pandemic good will for wwe with their audience and Roman being heel will probably also help the reaction be more what they’re looking for this time around.

[xrodmuc316]

I may regret this because it’ll probably just muddle things more.... but fuck it. Gonna try to kill two birds with on stone.



Why did you knock Kurt Angle down to Impact in this analogy? Why not keep him in WWE and have him come back to face Roman? He’s an Olympic gold medallist, ffs. It’s almost as if you’ve decided his fake fights have knocked him down a peg in the world of fake fighting.

Also, why was it dumb for him to get beaten quickly by Corbin? Job him to whoever. Who cares? He’s still Kurt Angle.

It is right in the comment, "if Kurt showed up in lets say Impact, so as not to get any "but AEW" anger" because when I talked about Tyson in AEW, you said I was just doing a "desperate “But AEW!” diversion."

Sure, he could come back to WWE and if he is able to go, I would have no problem with him having a match with Reigns.

And it wasnt dumb that he lost to Corbin, it was dumb that he lost his retirement match.

[drave]

SETTLE DOWN


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[#1-norm-fan]

I knew introducing the Angle issue was a bad idea. I knew it would lead to another set of non-answers while also allowing xrod to skate by on the previous non-answers because two issues at once is too much. (Answering “Why did you knock him down to TNA instead of just keeping him in WWE in your analogy?” with “Because I couldn’t knock him down to AEW.” Would actually be kind of a clever joke if he wasn’t being serious.)

Yet I still tried. Because I am stubborn. And I still believe good can come from attempting to reason with people no matter the evidence to the contrary.

Boola boola

[xrodmuc316]

I knew introducing the Angle issue was a bad idea. I knew it would lead to another set of non-answers while also allowing xrod to skate by on the previous non-answers because two issues at once is too much.

Yet I still tried. Because I am stubborn. And I still believe good can come from attempting to reason with people no matter the evidence to the contrary.

Boola boola

LOL, again I explained why, as a direct reply to bringing up AEW. I used Impact instead. That was solely to avoid an acquisition of "But AEW" from you.

Then I again answered your question about Kurt returning to WWE to face Roman, saying I would be fine with it. I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM BELIEVING A HEALTHY KURT ANGLE WOULD BE A WORTHY CONTENDER.

Lastly you wanted to know why it mattered that Kurt lost to Corbin since you mistakenly believed my problem was that he lost to Corbin. I again clarified that my issue was that he lost his retirement match, not WHO he lost to.

And again, it lead you to saying I didn't answer you. I answered you, it's all right here in this thread.

Let's move on, you tell me what answer you would like me to post, and ill copy it word for word so we can be done.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’m trapped in an endless “Who’s on first?” routine.

Boola boola, baby.

Fucking boola boola.

[xrodmuc316]

I’m trapped in an endless “Who’s on first?” routine.

Boola boola, baby.

Fucking boola boola.

[Fignuts]

boola boola

[drave]

faboola boola

[#1-norm-fan]

I’m trapped in an endless “Who’s on first?” routine.

Boola boola, baby.

Fucking boola boola.

Most sensical xrod post of all time.

And there ain’t no pretty women in this thread.

Boola boola

[DAMN iNATOR]

I’m trapped in an endless “Who’s on first?” routine.

Boola boola, baby.

Fucking boola boola.

Nothing will ever be funnier than misunderstandings.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can actually KINDA see how asking a simple question to someone I know deep down will be unwilling or unable to answer it given their history can be seen as some form of trolling.

Fair point.

To be fair, you do try to disingenuously trap people in conversations centered around semantics a lot. You’re more about trying to get a gotcha than demonstrate an actual point.

Right. That portion of the WWE audience gets smaller and smaller every year though. And poor storytelling/character development is the main reason why. That’s the exact shit that matters to a mainstream audience. The IWC is gonna watch and spend money even WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING the show is technically awful. Normal people are gonna tune out.

There’s only so long that putting a name on a marquee can stay special simply because it’s a name people recognize.

This is a good point though. And it’s a problem that all wrestling companies face right now. This is what AEW is doing with Punk and likely going to be doing with Bryan too. And that’s why the ratings fall after every spike. Both promotions are very similar like that.

I think Brock is better off as a babyface than a heel right now. If you’re going to put him at the top of your cards and have him kick ass, why not try and align that to be something people want to see? The WWE made this awful mistake of actually trying to make the story be that you don’t want to see Brock Lesnar. They would seriously do this “Brock doesn’t love wrestling, he’s gone most of the time” thing to try and get heat. And how does that look when he comes back and kick the alleged babyface’s ass?

He’s still the best worker out there. Whenever I catch what he’s doing, it’s usually heads and shoulders above anything else in wrestling.

[Ruien]

I will always watch Brock.

[Sepholio]

I would like to see a Brock face run where he eventually moves to a tweener role. Have his whole schtick be "I'm just chilling over here until someone gets a little to full of themselves and thinks they're special. Then I'm going to give them a lesson in humility." Have him focus on heels for the first stretch but then have him go after a face that gets a little too cocky. I think it would be a nice touch for the character if in the event he gets into a feud with the champ he ends up being fine with non championship matches. Have him acting like he doesn't need the belt to prove anything, he's just here to kick ass. k.

[#1-norm-fan]

To be fair, you do try to disingenuously trap people in conversations centered around semantics a lot. You’re more about trying to get a gotcha than demonstrate an actual point.

I’m sorry that me “getting a gotcha” is an undesirable side effect of you being called out on saying something stupid while attempting to make a smug point. It’s not a trap though.

Case in point...

Right. That portion of the WWE audience gets smaller and smaller every year though. And poor storytelling/character development is the main reason why. That’s the exact shit that matters to a mainstream audience. The IWC is gonna watch and spend money even WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING the show is technically awful. Normal people are gonna tune out.

There’s only so long that putting a name on a marquee can stay special simply because it’s a name people recognize.

This is what AEW is doing with Punk and likely going to be doing with Bryan too.

Punk has been in AEW for just over 1 week. He has appeared on 2 shows, has been promoted for just 1 and has wrestled 0 matches. Sorry for being a big meanie looking for a “gotcha” but... WHAT???