AEW Dynamite Anniversary 10/06: Casino Ladder Match (Winner earns an AEW World Championship match)

[Sting Fan]

Oh I also love the idea of a mid card women’s title, takes so much less (wo)manpower to maintain than a women’s tag division and of booked right will end the whole champion or dead to the world scenario most women’s titles seem to have.

Didn’t dig Baker burying the belt but I feel like there’s an angle there so will let that ride a bit yet.

[weather vane]

Love Bobby Fish. Always loved his look.

[drave]

Every Bobby Fish means that there is a difference between hiring WWE/NXT names because they are "slightly known" or are friends with people there..... and hiring a legit star like Bryan or Punk (and Christian :shifty:) with whom, yes, you should absolutely be pushing people aside for them and not think twice or feel bad about it.


I didn't know they were "friends" or whatever and I don't care. If he does good shit, then great. Otherwise, he'll get lost in the shuffle. Not every single person is going to be a "legit star", certainly not Blue Dot Boy, but a variety I feel, is important.


All I have seen from Sammy Guevara has not been that good either.....


Same. Him being the one to dethrone Miro makes zero fucking sense. Feels reminiscent of the cena/rusev WM debacle where the Rusev character was basically killed off, as he was never the same again.


Miro should not have lost, and he should beat the SHIT out of Guevara in a convincing fashion. This is where CJ Perry will come in down the road, as a valet who distracts opponents and gets Miro more heat.

[weather vane]

I'll be honest. I'm one of the marks annoyed by the glut of WWE signings. But it isn't really them picking these guys up that bothers me; it's that they are pushing so much of their homegrown talent to the side for them.

When they started up and were promising to build their own stars, use different people and not be WWE I was super hyped. That's what I wanted; something different. I want the fresher, younger people to get more of the spotlight. It's still a good show, great at times. I still enjoy watching it. But every week it seems like I'm seeing the fresh faces less and the old WWE faces more.

Not one champ is former WWE. I don’t get the argument at all. Just put out the best show no? The guys they get are quality anyways. They aren’t grabbing Mojo Rawley and No Way Jose…

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The one homegrown guy they’ve made a point in featuring and building to get the fan base behind just one a world title opportunity in a match he most likely to win, capping off a 2 year story.

Their women’s champ is the woman they choose from the get go to be the face of the division.

Their tag champs are from Mexico.

And the next women’s champ is either Rosa or Jade. And I’m leaving heavily to Jade.

They’ve used WWE talent really well but they’re not steamrolling the whole company with them.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I’ve also never gotten why it’s a big deal to push guys with name recognition from another company. I’d feel different if it was wcw and the top guys we’re holding everybody down and not building new stars. AEW isn’t doing that.

[#1-norm-fan]

I say sign and push the best guys for the job regardless of whether they’re ex-WWE or not. It’s ridiculous to worry about that. It’s like a pro sports team signing a top free agent and complaining that they’re getting too much playing time because they weren’t drafted to the team.

It takes time to truly build a star organically. Nothing wrong with using existing stars while trying to build new ones.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I say sign and push the best guys for the job regardless of whether they’re ex-WWE or not. It’s ridiculous to worry about that. It’s like a pro sports team signing a top free agent and complaining that they’re getting too much playing time because they weren’t drafted to the team.

It takes time to truly build a star organically. Nothing wrong with using existing stars while trying to build new ones.

Sure, that would be great. But people point it out when you start hiring Matt Hardy, Chavo Guerrero and Bobby Fish.

[#1-norm-fan]

Are any of those guys being pushed hard?

If they have value to a roster, sign them. Not signing them just because they worked for WWE would be fucking stupid.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I say sign and push the best guys for the job regardless of whether they’re ex-WWE or not. It’s ridiculous to worry about that. It’s like a pro sports team signing a top free agent and complaining that they’re getting too much playing time because they weren’t drafted to the team.

It takes time to truly build a star organically. Nothing wrong with using existing stars while trying to build new ones.

This is 100% accurate

[Mr. Nerfect]

Are any of those guys being pushed hard?

If they have value to a roster, sign them. Not signing them just because they worked for WWE would be fucking stupid.

No one says this though. It’s a straw-man argument. Of course not signing individuals with value would be fucking stupid. But they’ve got Shawn Spears in an alleged top heel faction, Matt Hardy manages three different tag teams, Chavo Guerrero was managing a guy brought in to be a top heel.

No one is saying don’t hire talented people who become free agents. That’s an easy position to stand against. It’s the value add of the guys being questioned and how they fit into an already bloated roster.

[weather vane]

Well they aren’t perfect. Not a huge Spears guy but they gave him a shot, it’s been fine. Matt Hardy stinks and he can get off my TV. Love Bobby Fish.

[weather vane]

All companies make mistakes, even at their height. Especially new ones.

[Mr. Nerfect]

All companies make mistakes, even at their height. Especially new ones.

I don’t disagree, but I think there is a difference in making avoidable mistakes and unavoidable mistakes — or at least minor ones. And I’m not saying Bobby Fish is a huge mistake or anything. It just adds up when a bunch of cast-offs who are either past it, haven’t been anything, or don’t really have the potential to be anything come in and add to the glut of things.

I’m actually all for AEW signing a bunch of people. They’ve got the money to justify it. But my issue is with the natural selection process. I’d rather have Bobby Fish than Jack Evans. But you’ve now got Bobby Fish and Jack Evans. And there are only so many guys you can emphasise before you start taking emphasis away from shit that should really matter.

And it all adds up as an impression in people’s heads. There’s a reason people are saying “Not another guy.” It’s becoming a pattern of making a deal out of things that make them happy to take anything. It’s reasonable, but it doesn’t even have to be for people to go “Eh. That underwhelms me.”

[#1-norm-fan]

I say sign and push the best guys for the job regardless of whether they’re ex-WWE or not. It’s ridiculous to worry about that. It’s like a pro sports team signing a top free agent and complaining that they’re getting too much playing time because they weren’t drafted to the team.

It takes time to truly build a star organically. Nothing wrong with using existing stars while trying to build new ones.

Sure, that would be great. But people point it out when you start hiring Matt Hardy, Chavo Guerrero and Bobby Fish.

Are any of those guys being pushed hard?

If they have value to a roster, sign them. Not signing them just because they worked for WWE would be fucking stupid.

No one says this though. It’s a straw-man argument.

Jesus Christ, you are the fucking worst.

[drave]

I'd think it'd be hard to sign any "known" names who AREN'T former WWE...... seeing as how they were the only show in town forever and a day.


That will be any the biggest hurdle of any org. "They aren't WWE" is what the casual, non-viewer would say who MIGHT know what wrestling actually is.

[weather vane]

I will agree… roster is bloated for sure. Would also get rid of AEW Dark or Dark Elevation. Maybe both.

Matt Hardy
Joey Janela
Sonny Kiss
Aaron Solo
TH2
Gunn Club
Lee Johnson
Shawn Dean
Fuego De Sol
Kip Sabian
Matt Hardy
Chaos Project
Sydal Brothers
Peter Avalon
QT Marshall
Leva Bates
Alex Marvez

Cut all of them. I like some of them but guys got to go.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jesus Christ, you are the fucking worst.

Huh? It’s a valid fucking point, dude. Matt Hardy is all over their show. Chavo was the manager of one of their alleged top heels for a few weeks there. That’s pushing losers. Why would you have some of these guys at all in 2021?

And who is saying don’t take top talent from WWE? They’re just saying don’t take everybody, even if they suck or don’t make a difference. You’re sage wisdom of “sign good guys” isn’t the argument people are having.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I will agree… roster is bloated for sure. Would also get rid of AEW Dark or Dark Elevation. Maybe both.

Matt Hardy
Joey Janela
Sonny Kiss
Aaron Solo
TH2
Gunn Club
Lee Johnson
Shawn Dean
Fuego De Sol
Kip Sabian
Matt Hardy
Chaos Project
Sydal Brothers
Peter Avalon
QT Marshall
Leva Bates
Alex Marvez

Cut all of them. I like some of them but guys got to go.

That’s a good list.

[#1-norm-fan]

Huh? It’s a valid fucking point, dude. Matt Hardy is all over their show. Chavo was the manager of one of their alleged top heels for a few weeks there. That’s pushing losers.

OMG they used Chavo Guerrero as a manager for a top heel!?! WHAT A PUSH!!!

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Matt Hardy has had zero main event feuds and his highest profile program was with Sammy Guevara. And now he’s managing jobber teams. WHAT A PUSH WOW

[#1-norm-fan]

Think of all the young talent being held back by these ex-WWE stars getting huge manager pushes.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Can’t bury would be home grown guys by letting Hardy manage such hot acts as *checks notes* the hybrid 2 and private party?

[#1-norm-fan]

And Chavo Guerrero managing Andrade for a few weeks will certainly go down as the beginning of the end. He’ll be world champion soon enough.

[Evil Vito]

TPWW re-acquires Droford in exchange for Reddit getting Noid

[James Steele]

Taking the absolute biggest break from wrestling that I ever have in my life. It was probably the thing I loved most. People don’t get it and say “wah, wah, wah — don’t watch then.” Well, it’s finally happening. Fuck wrestling.

Fuck AEW.
Fuck WWE.
Fuck the NWA.
Fuck New Japan.
Fuck classic wrestling.

It’s been easier than I suspect. I’ve checked the news a couple of times and listened to some Cornette YouTube clips (not his full show, I’m even off criticism of wrestling). I think I might be properly done soon.

Thanks for the memories, wrestling. You got me through some weird times growing up. But it’s time I realized you haven’t been good to me in a long, long time. Fuck off and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

The WWE surely gets a lot of the blame, but AEW was it for me. I just can’t. The self-indulgent disregard of there being any sort of art to this. The complete waste of potential. I went from being optimistic about wrestling to seeing so clearly that this is not going to be something a reasonable person can enjoy in record time.

So a special big fuck you to AEW for that. And also fuck TPWW for housing some of the most insecure and gormless little marks. I was right when I said WWE sucked way back, and I am right when I say AEW sucks right now.

I’m off to read some books or something.

I have taken the absolute biggest break from watching wrestling ever. Can’t remember the last show I actually watched. Probably highlights from SmackDown or something. I watched an individual clip from Dynamite, which was an awkward promo between Omega and Danielson where they kept saying “shit.”

Not very good anymore. And it doesn’t seem to be getting better.

And with all that, I’m still one of the most valuable posters here. Keeping the job squad in line and making sure people’s bad takes don’t get past without a scalding.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Noid sounds like trump banging the drum for the old days but never actually says what he likes about the old days. Instead he just bitches about the present and tells everybody they’re wrong about a product he doesn’t watch and says he hates but can’t stop talking about.

[Lock Jaw]

I'd say Noid is more like a stereotypical environmental activist. Right in most of what he actually says, but comes off too aggressive, argumentative, and preachy, leading people to just want to argue and confront him back.

Destor says a lot of the same stuff but he does so in a chill laid back "just the facts" manner so people don't really pick fights with him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

OMG they used Chavo Guerrero as a manager for a top heel!?! WHAT A PUSH!!!

Yeah, being a top heel manager is a push. Why would you think it isn’t?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Think of all the young talent being held back by these ex-WWE stars getting huge manager pushes.

Yeah, it’s annoying as hell to some people who are sick of washed up WWE guys getting signed. That’s what they’re saying. No one sensible is saying don’t bring in Bryan Danielson. And no one is suggesting they shouldn’t hire a guy like Paul Heyman if he becomes available as a manager, lol.

“I say take great talent wherever they come from,” is not some sage point, dude. It’s “no shit.”

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Destor also doesn’t yell at people that they’re wrong for liking something and go on and on and on about something he hates but still can’t stop talking about. You can have a convo with destor.

[Evil Vito]

If nothing else, even if it’s not to his tastes, Destor appreciates AEW existing and giving guys and gals a chance to make a living in the business, and by most accounts be happy where they work.

Noid basically roots for them to fold.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If nothing else, even if it’s not to his tastes, Destor appreciates AEW existing and giving guys and gals a chance to make a living in the business, and by most accounts be happy where they work.

Noid basically roots for them to fold.

Well, this is just mostly wrong. I wanted them to be good, but I don’t think they are. I do find schadenfreude in them proving me right. But that’s only okay if it’s “WWE sucks” or “LolTNA,” right?

If they closed down I wouldn’t be sad though. Just like TNA, I believe that more bad wrestling is going to diminish the spots in wrestling over time, and people’s ability to enjoy it as fans. I don’t really fall for the whole “they’re having fun!” and “at least they make money!” smokescreens. I don’t like quackery or charlatans either. Earn your money because you’re talented or there’s an actual market for it — not because a guy with a rich daddy blows up the pay scale to get a chance to play. Think it’s kind of disgusting how much some of these people get paid while some others are struggling. Dr. Luther is probably getting paid more than a real doctor.

There’s lots of downsides to this stuff long-term and I don’t have to kiss the ass of the gimmick of opportunity like you do and appreciate a company just existing as being some sort of blessing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Isn’t it great how the WWE signed all that talent and paid them consistently and so many of them didn’t even need to take that many bumps or wrestle much? It’s so great they’ve given people a place to be employed. We should never take any shots at them.

Oh wait: WWE bad, I forgot.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, it’s annoying as hell to some people who are sick of washed up WWE guys getting signed. That’s what they’re saying. No one sensible is saying don’t bring in Bryan Danielson. And no one is suggesting they shouldn’t hire a guy like Paul Heyman if he becomes available as a manager, lol.

“I say take great talent wherever they come from,” is not some sage point, dude. It’s “no shit.”

They have a roster to fill outside of the main event. Yes, a guy like Matt Hardy is useful as a name to use to put their younger stars over and to mingle with the undercard and give them a rub. Which is exactly how he’s used. I haven’t even seen Chavo on the show yet but if the most he’s done is manage Andrade “for a few weeks” and that’s your 2nd best example... Holy shit.

They aren’t allowed to fill these roles though because they are, IN YOUR OWN FUCKING WORDS, “washed up WWE guys”. Who gives a fuck? They’re playing veteran roles. That’s where veterans come from. But you have to bitch and argue the point because you’re Noid and every discussion must turn into an awkward, desperate attempt to shit on AEW.

You’re a try-hard and I do not care about your personal opinion of anyone on the AEW roster at this point.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They have a roster to fill outside of the main event. Yes, a guy like Matt Hardy is useful as a name to use to put their younger stars over and to mingle with the undercard and give them a rub. Which is exactly how he’s used. I haven’t even seen Chavo on the show yet but if the most he’s done is manage Andrade “for a few weeks” and that’s your 2nd best example... Holy shit.

They aren’t allowed to fill these roles though because they are, IN YOUR OWN FUCKING WORDS, “washed up WWE guys”. Who gives a fuck? They’re playing veteran roles. That’s where veterans come from. But you have to bitch and argue the point because you’re Noid and every discussion must turn into an awkward, desperate attempt to shit on AEW.

You’re a try-hard and I do not care about your personal opinion of anyone on the AEW roster at this point.

Yes, and you can fill that roster with the “best guys for the job,” as you do brilliantly brought to everyone’s attention earlier. So much great talent has been passed over because TK has problems saying “no.”

Matt Hardy is NOT useful in 2021. He cannot cut an effective promo, his ring work has been bland at its very best since way before 2010 (which is when even I, a former Matt Hardy fan, had to admit it). And no, Chavo Guerrero is NOT my “second best example.” That’s your sea-lioning again. Chavo Guerrero is an amusing example of how anybody can get a job, whether or not it compliments the show at all. Some people don’t want to see these acts on their TV at all in 2021, wouldn’t have been keen for them in 2012.

And Matt Hardy has not been strictly confined to the mid-card. He’s been featured in the main event of a PPV, currently manages three tag teams and had a recent edition of Rampage basically built around him, and was just in a main event for a World Title shot this week. Tony Khan has also spent millions humoring his terrible ideas with remote shoots. Don’t give me this bullshit about him being a generous veteran talent trying to help young guys. He’s gotten no one over, is incapable of it and doesn’t deserve any spot on television in 2021, unless it was as Jeff’s brother.

The whole show matters. Top-to-bottom. Some internet fans have this idea that you can just put anything on before the thing they think justifies everything. It doesn’t really work like that. Some of their choices, many of them in and around the main event, are fucking horrendous. They aren’t choosing the right people for the right jobs, which is what disconnects people. They aren’t obligated to buy a promotion that pushes Matt Hardy in 2021 because of your forced logic to try and win an argument you’re secretly embarrassed you got into.

Yes, AEW should hire the most talented people for jobs. Great insight, #fan. :y: Good things. We all like good things. You know what? I think AEW should stay away from bad things, regardless of whether they have been in WWE or not. Smart stuff, yeah?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, you’re now stuck defending Matt Hardy in 2021 because you’re too stubborn to admit “Ha! You know what? Me saying hiring the best talent for the job regardless of where they come from like it’s a counterpoint to anything anyone’s actually saying was a bit hollow.”

Do you really think Matt Hardy is the best person for the job? Do you really think their hiring patterns have reflected that modus operandi anyway?

[Jordan]

Matt Hardy doing his Broken gimmick is hilarious to me. I was surprised that it was given such a main event push initially but now I would love to see it in a much more scaled back way. I think it's hilarious.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Matt Hardy doing his Broken gimmick is hilarious to me. I was surprised that it was given such a main event push initially but now I would love to see it in a much more scaled back way. I think it's hilarious.

You’re allowed to. I think it’s atrocious. I don’t think he’s funny. I can see through him adopting it because he has no personality without an entirely fake and campy one. I also loathe it when people get lazy and try to do “so bad it’s good.” That never works. Camp relies on trying very earnestly at something and missing the mark. Hardy is clearly taking the piss and trying to find easy street.

If he directed Plan 9 from Outer Space it would absolutely suck, but not in the timelessly good way.

Trying to be bad on purpose always leads to bad.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Matt Hardy doing his Broken gimmick is hilarious to me. I was surprised that it was given such a main event push initially but now I would love to see it in a much more scaled back way. I think it's hilarious.

If they brought it back it has to be as a gag where everyone recognizes its stupidity

[ron the dial]

oh i think everyone already recognizes that

[XL]

So much great talent has been passed over because TK has problems saying “no.”
Out of interest; who?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Out of interest; who?

You can go down the list of the ROH, MLW and NWA rosters and pick out who you like. There’s a bunch of scuttlebutt about a bunch of guys from those pockets being ignored because of some EVP insecurity. Some won’t believe it, but I do. Keep in mind this is the promotion was that quite rude to CM Punk in the beginning too.

There’s also no reason you can’t go down the main Japanese rosters and find guys to pluck either. Shad Khan has the money. The only deals that you can’t really get out of are WWE ones.

I’m not avoiding the question. I can list a bunch of names — some guys I love and some I don’t but can see appeal in. Jacob Fatu, Sefa Fatu, Kota Ibushi, Alexander Hammerstone, The Briscoes, etc. But everybody knows them. Just like everybody knows the WWE guys of value who got away. Orton, Mysterio, The Usos, Nakamura, Styles, Goldberg, Edge. And the guys that have eventually ended up in AEW, or are likely to, that they missed first go around. Danielson, Punk, Steen. And then you’ve got guys that were free agents and eventually got picked up, and are now praised — Eddie Kingston and Ricky Starks from the NWA, for example.

Matt Hardy and Chavo Guerrero are not value adds over many of them (any of them?). And the point is more that people are complaining about the sheer number of people getting a shot, taking time away from content they’d prefer, than the really big names being given spots because it helps.

Very easy to say “they should make the best signings possible.” Yeah, they should. But no one is saying don’t hire stars or guys that are really, really good. That’s the easy way of getting past the “I really don’t like seeing this flavor perpetuated by this TV program” argument.

[drave]

Is that factual news though, or just speculation and rumor that some internet neckbeard is posting?

[#1-norm-fan]

It’s a lot of Noid basing facts on the dirt sheet writers because it happens to fit his agenda and a lot of his opinion on the ex-WWE guys which, like I said earlier, isn’t something anyone should take seriously at this point. Gotta shit hard on the ex-WWE guys just there to put new guys over and hype the no-name indy guys because it makes it seem like they’re over-pushing ex-WWE guys who people actually know. Gives him a chance to needlessly argue my original point and bitch about AEW all at the same time.

A little off the path but saying “I’m not avoiding the question” and then directly answering the question is an odd thing to do before even being accused. Lol

[drave]

I just wanna know how angry to be.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s a lot of Noid basing facts on the dirt sheet writers because it happens to fit his agenda and a lot of his opinion on the ex-WWE guys which, like I said earlier, isn’t something anyone should take seriously at this point. Gotta shit hard on the ex-WWE guys just there to put new guys over and hype the no-name indy guys because it makes it seem like they’re over-pushing ex-WWE guys who people actually know. Gives him a chance to needlessly argue my original point and bitch about AEW all at the same time.

A little off the path but saying “I’m not avoiding the question” and then directly answering the question is an odd thing to do before even being accused. Lol

Who are they helping get over though? You say this falling completely for the outward line of intentionality, but none of it actually ever comes to fruition, lol. Who has Chavo Guerrero put over? Matt Hardy? He lost to Adam Page, but Page wasn’t in any better spot. That’s the whole purpose of putting someone over.

They should try signing the best people for the job. ;)

[XL]

So internet rumour and conjecture should be ignored as just that…unless it suits your view?

[Mr. Nerfect]

So internet rumour and conjecture should be ignored as just that…unless it suits your view?

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that Matt Hardy is helping talent? Because that’s evidential and not internet rumour.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The only thing that I’ve brought up that is internet speculation is whether or not the EVPs have avoided signing guys because of insecurity. I believe it, because I don’t trust them and it’s the most logical explanation. But I didn’t assert it as true and even called it speculation myself. It’s really immaterial to whether or not they’re making good decisions. They’re not, for whatever reason you choose to believe.

[#1-norm-fan]

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that Matt Hardy is helping talent? Because that’s evidential and not internet rumour.

Smartest man in the room, ladies and gentlemen!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Smartest man in the room, ladies and gentlemen!

If you’re going to announce yourself, at least say something after it.