WWE: Survivor Series 2021

[Mr. Nerfect]

Since #fan has been going absolutely insane about this in the Ratings Thread, I’m going to come back in here and explain myself because he’s latched onto this so hard:

I checked out TPWW on my lunch break and saw a bunch of people, can’t remember who, acting like The Rock was back. When I’ve signed in, I think I’ve got a lot of them on ignore (so probably Guru Dave and/or Damien Rey), which is further proof of why ignoring them was a great idea. I had a little laugh at how fickle a large contingent of the online wresting audience can be, with their simple WWE = bad narrative, and my perception that they were complaining that they somehow got The Rock back. I then got attacked because it turns out The Rock didn’t come back (which would have been my guess, considering the dude is SO fucking busy and can’t afford to take bumps), and for not actually watching a show they were complaining about.

So take it as a hypothetical. I’m sure if The Rock did come back and raise Roman’s arm or something, they would complain. Yes, that’s a hasty generalization, but I think it’s a correct one. But I in no way feel embarrassed about scanning TPWW, taking in some bullshit posts and making a flippant comment. Nor am I embarrassed because I did not watch Survivor Series, lol. I also stand by everything I said about it making total sense for the WWE to promote The Rock’s debut at the event 25 years ago, and it being pretty unreasonable to expect the guy to come roaring back into wrestling when it could jeopardize his film schedule.

I hope that clears things up. I did not know if Rock actually came back or not — I would have said no. In fact, I said in Vastardikai’s thread that it may be possible for him to send in a video or something, which would have been cool, but that’s about the most you could hope for. I just read that he had from some shitty posters, and made a flippant remark about how fickle some people are. It works whether he actually came back or not, because I’m pretty sure those people are going to remain as fickle.

Cheers! Your friendly neighborhood Noid.

[GD]

Ah, so Noid does have me on ignore but logs in without his account so he can still view my posts. I wish he’d stop creepily obsessing over me. Like get over me pal. Plans change.

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh. Since it bumped...

You try and call me out, but you’ve been swinging and missing too much lately, with a Guru Dave or BigCrippyZ level of obsession. And it’s been ever since *I* called *you* out because you can’t deal with that, being the sea lion that you are.

“The New Avengers movie sucked. I can’t believe Spider-Man got killed in the first ten minutes.”
“I had no clue Spider-Man was going to die because Tom Holland is signed on for way more movies, but there’s probably a reason if you think about it.”
“Spider-Man didn’t even die! Haha! If you had seen the movie you would know that!”
“Well, I hadn’t seen the movie…”
“How embarrassing for you!”
“I don’t really like the Avengers movies that much anymore. I still follow them loosely, but I haven’t been into them because they kind of suck.”
“Then why do you still talk about Avengers movies?”
“It’s a habit and I’m still obsessed with comic books and comic book movies. Not that I can find a comic book movie that is very good. And the discussion around comic books isn’t very stimulating these days.”
“Mental gymnastics!!! Lol, I can’t believe you actually thought Spider-Man died.”

:lol:

I’m not the one doing backflips here.

Holy shit. This glimpse into how Noid’s brain views himself and this interaction is wild.

From that very polite first response to the blatant avoidance of major parts of the conversation as he becomes a poor innocent victim.

There is a serious mental issue at play here. Fucking hell.

I also love how he’s trying the “You started calling me out after I called you out!” thing. Lol

I can literally point out the exact moment where I stopped biting my tongue because Noid and I were friends and said “fuck it” and started making him defend his more ridiculous bullshit. I can also pinpoint the moment after I started doing that where he started desperately trying to call ME out to try to save face. He’s trying really hard to flip history on events that have the dates posted right there on the left.

Combine that with the absolutely insane interpretation he gave with that Spider-man analogy earlier. The guy seriously creates his own world in his mind with its own events and its own special logic and then argues based on that.

:wave:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh. Since it bumped...







:wave:

Oh, that Spider-Man analogy? Yeah, I stand by it. Sorry, dude. People tried to dogpile me because they finally thought they had me in a “gotcha.” I didn’t see the show and made a remark about people complaining about what would obviously be a good thing. You’re trying really hard to squint and see something in it that isn’t there.

By the way, I call you out because you’ve become a shallow apologist who can’t even answer direct questions, seemingly focused on trying to catch me in some sort of moment where I get something wrong, like it matters. Because it does to you. So much for some reason. It became really apparent after I called you out on the frivolity of your “they should hire talented people regardless of where they come from.” That cut you real deep. Since then you’ve been projecting the same embarrassment onto me.

I’ll say it again: Only in the IWC would you find people complaining about the return of The Rock. I stand by that completely.

[#1-norm-fan]

Throwing a “can’t even answer direct questions” in a post where you clearly dodge the direct problems being stated isn’t helping your case...

[#1-norm-fan]

Neither is going back to the awkwardly desperate reach of that “hiring talented people“ argument you tried to start to save face after I started calling you on your bullshit. You REALLY felt good about that one in your fantasy world. You can go ahead and bump that thread and try again too after you duck and dodge here for a while.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Throwing a “can’t even answer direct questions” in a post where you clearly dodge the direct problems being stated isn’t helping your case...

In the Ratings Thread you have been avoiding the same question for quite a while now. And I have responded directly to what you’ve posted. I stand by it. I’ve restated my opinion on the matter several times now. I don’t agree with your assessment at all. I could say the exact same thing right back at you. Always trying to diagnose people and shit.

When was the last time you actually made a point instead of trying to smear people? The last actual point you’ve made. Not the last time you said someone is delusional or whatever to dismiss them outright? You act like you’re Mr. Logic, but you’ve been nothing but ad hominem and insecurity lately.

I could have just said “Wait, The Rock didn’t come back? Why the fuck are there muppets on here acting like he did?” By then I was already being called names because I didn’t watch the show and “fell for it” or whatever. I’ll admit that I made no effort to diffuse it, but I don’t see my doubling down on it the way you do.

Wrestling fans are fickle and they absolutely would whinge if The Rock returned. It was a little jab. It doesn’t actually matter if he did or not. But people are acting like me acting on the assumption that something posted here was actually true is bonkers. Lol, what? I saw something, quipped about it, got mocked (I’m not the one who watched Survivor Series) and stand by what I said. And my perception of it. There’s such a willingness to dogpile someone when they go against the grain here. Whether it’s me, xrod, CyNick or someone else. I’m not “playing a victim.” It’s been the way this place has been for some time. I don’t like it, per se, but it doesn’t worry me, because I honestly get a kick out of how much heat I get for what I believe is honesty that stings people because they recognize the truth in it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t tread lightly on people. Maybe I should be kinder? I dunno, but I don’t expect them to tread lightly on me either. But I don’t agree with the assessment you’re making of the situation at all. I don’t think you’re right. I do believe it’s you doing the gymnastics to try and get me into a position where I’m “wrong” because you are pretty darn desperate to try and get one over me.

[GD]

I’ll say it again: Only in the IWC would you find people complaining about the return of The Rock. I stand by that completely.

What a little cunt. Disgusting.

[#1-norm-fan]

For the sake of trying to get you to see the problem in just ONE small issue...

You get dog piled on with the same energy you give.

Your analogy showed you as a poor innocent victim giving a nice, polite response and then getting shit on for it by a bunch of assholes.

Reality showed an asshole making a smug insult based on something that it turns out didn’t happen and he got shit on for it with the same “asshole energy”.

Go ahead and be a smug asshole. But don’t pretend you’re just a poor boy being ganged up on when it backfires and that same energy is returned.

[GD]

What fan said. I didn’t have a problem with Noid until he started being an asshole to the regular contributors. He deserves a slice of humble pie.

[screech]

Throwing a “can’t even answer direct questions” in a post where you clearly dodge the direct problems being stated isn’t helping your case...

One time Noid complained that a segment "did well on TV but it didn't look good on paper," so he couldn't say it was a good segment. I asked him to clarify what that meant. He wrote five essays about how Jimmy Jacobs (who either wrote or took credit for the segment) was working me or some shit. I never mentioned Jimmy Jacobs at all and Noid never got close to answering the question.

[GD]

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[XL]

I don’t think I’ve seen so many words written by someone because they made a bit of a tit of themselves.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lmao a simple “oops should’ve read the results instead of only looking here” and a chuckle at himself would’ve squashed this immediately. Instead he’s just digging deeper and deeper holes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

For the sake of trying to get you to see the problem in just ONE small issue...

You get dog piled on with the same energy you give.

Your analogy showed you as a poor innocent victim giving a nice, polite response and then getting shit on for it by a bunch of assholes.

Reality showed an asshole making a smug insult based on something that it turns out didn’t happen and he got shit on for it with the same “asshole energy”.

Go ahead and be a smug asshole. But don’t pretend you’re just a poor boy being ganged up on when it backfires and that same energy is returned.

I didn’t pretend I was a “poor boy.” I don’t know how you can so confidently accuse people of “living in a different reality” when you go ahead and project massively onto others. I just didn’t say it with the certainty I was accused of and piled on for. And I’m not complaining about that, because I give as good as I get (although I do generally try to make actual points instead of leaning on insults, etc.). I’m just stating that’s what happened.

Do yanks really struggle with hypotheticals and conditional statements? I’ve noticed you in particular do this a lot. It doesn’t matter whether or not the thing I was responding to was actually true or not. I’m just befuddled at how many people latched onto me not being sure it didn’t happen as a “gotcha.”

[Mr. Nerfect]

One time Noid complained that a segment "did well on TV but it didn't look good on paper," so he couldn't say it was a good segment. I asked him to clarify what that meant. He wrote five essays about how Jimmy Jacobs (who either wrote or took credit for the segment) was working me or some shit. I never mentioned Jimmy Jacobs at all and Noid never got close to answering the question.

This would have been the Festival of Friendship. I thought it was shit, but it seemed to work for some people. If you look at the actual material, as it was written — absolutely shit. People were suckered in by it because they’re attracted to the personalities involved — Chris Jericho, Kevin Owens, Jimmy Jacobs. Jericho was hamming it up in the segment, and people have always been lenient when it comes to Jericho’s shit.

I would have said this all at the time. I can do it by memory. I think you’re either misremembering or flat-out lying.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t think I’ve seen so many words written by someone because they made a bit of a tit of themselves.

Lol I fucking love this shit, man.

[drave]

I think Jericho's recent run is completely overrated from every standpoint other than Jericho's performance. Like, Jericho is king, so he puts the hard work in and it shines, but on paper it was so average it hurts.


lol why does it matter what it looked like on paper if it worked on the show?



Bad ideas executed well aren't necessarily good ideas. And it doesn't take a genius to say "Hey Jericho, go and be Jericho." It's nice to see Jericho making money from the company, but I could have done without pretty much all of it. Far from Jericho's most significant or best work. Some people say that it is. I say that's overrating it by quite a lot.

Most of what I saw of it was Jericho polishing turds. That's got charm to it. And that's how I'd describe Jericho's recent run: charming. But give that shit to anyone else and it fucking sucks hard. I'd rather just not see the turds.


It was literally being discussed because Jimmy Jacobs was credited with writing it. It's not something that got over because it was some genius piece of crafted fiction. It's something that got over because Jericho is so fucking good. With anyone else it's just another tag team splitting up (which is what it turned out to be anyway).

This is Russo taking credit for the This is Your Life segment. No one was like "Oh, This is Your Life...awesome!" It was "holy shit, The Rock is funny." There's nothing inherently good about a "Festival of Friendship" idea. In fact, it sounds fucking shit. Jericho stealing the show despite this made it fairly memorable for modern stuff. Alleging that Jimmy Jacobs is some sort of creative genius for helping Jericho get dumb stuff over is a far cry from him being a good "writer" or even booker.

More power to the guy. I liked the Lacey stuff. But WWE has vastly been shit. He has been helping writing it. I'm not going to think the dude is an amazing writer now just because he's outside the big evil company instead of contributing to it.

God, people are so easily worked. Jimmy Jacobs could give your average internet fan's sister herpes, then get sympathy from them because his dick's itchy. And people say that kayfabe wouldn't work today.


I barely know or care who Jimmy Jacobs is. If he wrote it or didn't, or took credit for it - who cares?

My question, which you still haven't answered even in this essay, is why does it matter what it looks like on paper if it worked on the show?

Whether or not you like who wrote it or how it seemed it would be is irrelevant if the end result is something you've admittedly enjoyed. Jericho was given an idea to work with and he crushed it, as usual. Are you unable to just enjoy that part of it without bitching?


Because that is what we were talking about. It's the whole conversation.

Your question is not pertinent. I have very purposefully avoided engaging with it.

I actually didn't enjoy the segment. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I can accept that people generally enjoyed it though. I'm not a big fan of Jericho's latest run. I just appreciate him as a talent. But I could do without the list stuff entirely. It's been well-received though, so whatever. My point is just that I believe he deserves all the credit for that, because the things he was given to do were, in my opinion, terrible. You can disagree with me on that, and that's fine. But your question about how it ended up isn't relevant to my line of thinking, because how it was exists outside star and performance is entirely my concern.

And before you go and ask the same question again, that is because that is what I am talking about. I don't care if something is shit when it is written and then turns out to be great, except when I am talking specifically about how it is shit when it's written. Within that context, yes, that is everything to do with the point I am making. Why were we talking about that? Because I asked what Jimmy Jacobs did and someone said "He's been given credit for this," and I said "Eh, I don't think he deserves credit for that." That is what we were talking about. Who takes credit is the subject matter. Not whether or not that ultimately matters.

[Sixx]

As usual only read the results and judging solely by them, this event sucked ass.

[#1-norm-fan]

How it started...

Only the IWC would get The Rock back and complain about it.

How Noid thinks it started...


“I had no clue Spider-Man was going to die because Tom Holland is signed on for way more movies, but there’s probably a reason if you think about it.”

I didn’t pretend I was a “poor boy.” I don’t know how you can so confidently accuse people of “living in a different reality” when you go ahead and project massively onto others.

This is gonna continue as a “No, YOU!” back and forth now from the looks of it. I’m just gonna let the actual, real quotes speak for themselves.

[Mr. Nerfect]

screech’s post

There you go. Weird you dragged it up, but thanks. So I did actually address the question. I said I purposefully didnt engage with it, but I really did.

TL;DR : Basically what I said before. An idea isn’t necessarily good in conception even if it is salvaged by performance, etc. These can also be detrimental to your end product. But even if something works, you can still criticize its writing. That’s a direct answer to the question. I just thought it was the wrong question to ask, which I could have explained better at the time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How it started...



How Noid thinks it started...





This is gonna continue as a “No, YOU!” back and forth now from the looks of it. I’m just gonna let the actual, real quotes speak for themselves.

I don’t deny that’s what I posted first. And I still stand by it. Why are you making up a reality that doesn’t exist, huh?

[Mr. Nerfect]

By the way, I gave Jericho way too much grace as a performer. He’s kind of the shits and has been for a long, long time now.

[drave]

There you go. Weird you dragged it up, but thanks. So I did actually address the question. I said I purposefully didnt engage with it, but I really did.

TL;DR : Basically what I said before. An idea isn’t necessarily good in conception even if it is salvaged by performance, etc. These can also be detrimental to your end product. But even if something works, you can still criticize its writing. That’s a direct answer to the question. I just thought it was the wrong question to ask, which I could have explained better at the time.




I just did a quick search and posted what was being discussed. Nothing weird at all at bringing posts in question in plain sight is there?

[screech]

lol it took me randomly remembering that interaction after months/years(?) and someone else posting the quotes to finally answer a direct question. Congratulations.

(and you still claim you addressed it despite evidence staring you in the face that you did not)

[#1-norm-fan]

Dude just accused me of “making up a reality that doesn’t exist” in response to me simply quoting his ACTUAL initial post followed by his ACTUAL warped interpretation. Lol Unbelievable.

This thread is a Noid-logic, hole-digging gift from God.

[screech]

I didn't watch Survivor Series, but I'm glad I stumbled into this thread anyway. What a treat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol it took me randomly remembering that interaction after months/years(?) and someone else posting the quotes to finally answer a direct question. Congratulations.

(and you still claim you addressed it despite evidence staring you in the face that you did not)

How did I not answer it? I literally responded to it.

Where is this evidence I did not?

Dude just accused me of “making up a reality that doesn’t exist” in response to me simply quoting his ACTUAL initial post followed by his ACTUAL warped interpretation. Lol Unbelievable.

This thread is a Noid-logic, hole-digging gift from God.

I never denied that was my initial post. In fact, that’s the post I have been most preoccupied with and have explained and stood by. I don’t see anything warped about my interpretation of it, nor do I even see how your quotes connect to it.

I’ve noticed you do this a lot, but there is a lot of dishonesty is how you attempt to argue. I don’t even remember that Spider-Man analogy, but do stand by it. Where did I ever claim that was how I think this “started?” Can you find that, or did you just pull it out of your ass because it is convenient?

Again, where did I claim I was a “poor boy?” You just flat-out lie at this point.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve stood back and watched it without commenting in the past, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a string of quotes from you that a) actually connect to each other, and b) actually say what you think they say. They’re at best cherry-picked and disconnected, at worst blatantly dishonest and misleading.

It’s all the more annoying because you seem to place pride in logic. But I genuinely don’t think you understand it anywhere near the level you think you do. Your reasoning is constantly fallacious. You’re responding emotionally to things and letting that influence your reading. And everyone is capable of that, but you really seem to think you’re above it. And you seem to suffer from the conviction that you’re right, and if you’re right, then if you said it, it’s right.

Can you actually back up either of your accusations that:

a) I believe that this didn’t start with my comment about The Rock?

b) I actually labeled myself any sort of victim?

These are untruths, man. They’re just false, lol.

[#1-norm-fan]

Can you actually back up either of your accusations that:

a) I believe that this didn’t start with my comment about The Rock?

b) I actually labeled myself any sort of victim?

These are untruths, man. They’re just false, lol.

The fact that you’ve taken me quoting your comment about The Rock and then your delusional interpretation of your comment about The Rock as me saying “You believe this didn’t start with your comment about The Rock” and now you want me to back up THAT “accusation” is such a prime example of how your mind is too fucked to be reasoned with. Holy shit.

[#1-norm-fan]

And yes, when you accuse everyone of unnecessarily dog piling on you because “I’m just speaking the truth and people can’t handle it!” you’re painting yourself as a victim of the mob. That’s not even an insult. I’d think you should be the first to admit that. Lol

Though given that horrible understanding of what I’m telling you by pointing out this analogy, I don’t expect that to register either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The fact that you’ve taken me quoting your comment about The Rock and then your delusional interpretation of your comment about The Rock as me saying “You believe this didn’t start with your comment about The Rock” and now you want me to back up THAT “accusation” is such a prime example of how your mind is too fucked to be reasoned with. Holy shit.

Do people normally interpret their own comments? I stand by all those posts. I think YOUR interpretation of them is fucked. I cannot fathom why you would bring up the second post as the start of it when we both agree that it was the first post. Just because people don’t agree with your interpretation, it doesn’t make them delusional. This is extremely dangerous thinking.

Also noticed you scurry away from the second question. Is it because you know you are lying?

[#1-norm-fan]

I cannot fathom why you would bring up the second post as the start of it when we both agree that it was the first post.

What the fuck is this!?!? lol

[#1-norm-fan]

THE FIRST POST WAS THE FIRST POST. THE SECOND POST WAS YOUR RIDICULOUS INTERPRETATION TO PAINT YOURSELF IN A BETTER LIGHT. I’M NOT BRINGING IT UP AS THE “FIRST POST”.

HOW ARE YOU THIS CONFUSED???

[#1-norm-fan]

*Awaiting the weird “Ya but the first post was the first post.” comment.*

[Mr. Nerfect]

And yes, when you accuse everyone of unnecessarily dog piling on you because “I’m just speaking the truth and people can’t handle it!” you’re painting yourself as a victim of the mob. That’s not even an insult. I’d think you should be the first to admit that. Lol

Though given that horrible understanding of what I’m telling you by pointing out this analogy, I don’t expect that to register either.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being a victim, but dog-piling describes an act, not a reaction. Pointing out that you, screech, Vito (from memory) and presumably Rey and Dave have technically dog-piled on me (even XL took a crack) isn’t the same thing as feeling victimized by it. Do you deny that is actually what happened? You even used the phrase earlier. But you then have a go at me for being a “poor boy.” So which is it? Does dog-piling on someone make them a victim by your own definition, or did it never happen? And who is arguing against reality?

My comment about The Rock was intended to be flippant. Whether or not it was interpreted that way could be tone, miscommunication or, yeah dude, down to the reader’s error or biases.

Let me explain: Only in the IWC would you find people complaining about The Rock’s return. ;)

[Mr. Nerfect]

THE FIRST POST WAS THE FIRST POST. THE SECOND POST WAS YOUR RIDICULOUS INTERPRETATION TO PAINT YOURSELF IN A BETTER LIGHT. I’M NOT BRINGING IT UP AS THE “FIRST POST”.

HOW ARE YOU THIS CONFUSED???

How is that a ridiculous “interpretation?” It’s not up to me to interpret my authorial intent. You’re the one interpreting it. I don’t agree with your interpretation. Deal with it.

Painting myself in a better light would have been to drop it. I got goaded back in here because you got pissy you got called out in another argument. I don’t give a shit about what light I am painted in. Your interpretation of that is delusional, lol.

How I think it started was with my Rock comment.

[GD]

Do yanks really struggle with hypotheticals and conditional statements?

Is Noid resorting to xenophobia?

[screech]

Is Noid resorting to xenophobia?

People who can't comprehend what they're reading usually do.

[Sepholio]

We're never gonna MAKE TPWW RASSLIN FORUM GREAT AGAIN at this rate fellas.

[#1-norm-fan]

I did my part with the watch-a-long. Now Noid needs to do his part by having someone he loves read and explain posts to him so that he can understand what’s being conveyed.

A king is only as strong as his weakest subject.

[ron the dial]

i think normally the king would just say fuck it and kill the weakest subject off. at least put em in the stocks.

[#1-norm-fan]

Wait yeah, what am I saying? A king is a king. Fuck this dipshit.

[Sepholio]

Lock his ass up down under the castle.

[#1-norm-fan]

So banish him to the video game forum.

Good idea...

[Blonde Moment]

Lol I fucking love this shit, man.

Don't you have something better to do or does your life suck so badly that being a dipshit on a dying message board is the only thing you have left to live for? You don't like the the promotions, you don't like the wrestlers, you have absolutely no respect for anyone who posts here unless they kiss your pimply ass and quite frankly your wit is about as cutting as your username.

[Sting Fan]

God you cunts have the shittest arguments.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don't you have something better to do or does your life suck so badly that being a dipshit on a dying message board is the only thing you have left to live for? You don't like the the promotions, you don't like the wrestlers, you have absolutely no respect for anyone who posts here unless they kiss your pimply ass and quite frankly your wit is about as cutting as your username.

I do enjoy posting on a dying message board. But I don’t know how you extrapolate that to being the only thing left to live for. That’s very dramatic. And I respect good posters whether or not they kiss my ass. There just aren’t many left. Hence why the board is dying. Thanks for your input on witty names, Woken Wheel.

[Blonde Moment]

I do enjoy posting on a dying message board. But I don’t know how you extrapolate that to being the only thing left to live for. That’s very dramatic. And I respect good posters whether or not they kiss my ass. There just aren’t many left. Hence why the board is dying. Thanks for your input on witty names, Woken Wheel.

Naw, you get a rise out of ruining it for everyone else