Be honest thread

[Stu Hart]

Ask “be honest” questions thread where it’s a safe space to admit how did-engaged or lapsed you really are

I’ll start with :

Be honest - do you really know who the all champions are in wwe ?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Good thread idea, Mr. Hart.

I think I do.

WWE: Big E
Universal: Roman
IC: Nakamura
US: Damian Priest
Tag: RKBro, Usos
Women’s: Charlotte and Becky
24/7: Dana?
Women’s Tag: Carmella & Zelina?

Do you want to keep this question going or change it up? I’ve got one for anyone who wants to answer:

Do you think we have seen the last match of Shawn Michaels?

[Stu Hart]

Anyone can answer any question but they must throw one into the pool

[Bad News Gertner]

Be Honest: ECW stopped being good in 1997

[Lock Jaw]

Without reading the other posts, let's see if I can get this:

WWE Champion - Big E
Universal Champion - Roman Reigns
Intercontinental Champion - Shinsuke Nakamura? Maybe?
US Champion - ??? Oh wait... that dude who teamed with Bad Bunny.... Damien Priest
RAW Tag Team Champions - RK-Bro
Smackdown Tag Team Champions - The Usos
RAW Women's Champ - Becky Lynch
SD Women's Champ - Charlotte Flair

NXT World Champ - Tomaso Ciampa?
NXT North American Champ - ???
NXT Women's Champ - ???
Other NXT Titles - ???

[Lock Jaw]

Oh yeah, there are women's tag belts.... Carmella & Zelina could maybe be the right answer as Noid says....

24/7 title too which I think is held by someone named "Reggie"?

[xrodmuc316]

Roman, Big E, Nakamura, Priest, Usos, RKBro, Carmella and Zelina, Big Time Becks, Charlotte, and Dana Brooke. NXT is Ciampa, Carmelo, Mandy Rose, Toxic Attraction, Imperium, and Roderick Strong. I know Ilja is the NXT UK Champion, no idea who their tag or women's champ is though.

I do not believe Shawn Michaels will wrestle again.

ECW was good far past 1997. I think it was good until about 2000 when Taz and the Dudleys left.

How about do you remember who the current champions won their respective titles from?

[Lock Jaw]

How about do you remember who the current champions won their respective titles from?

WWE Title: Big E beat Bobby Lashley
Universal: Roman Reigns beat...... ???
IC: Nakamura beat..... Sami Zayn?
US: Damien Priest beat.... Miz?
RAW Tag Team: RK-Bro beat AJ Styles/Omos
SD Tag Team: The Usos beat..... ???
RAW Women's Champ: Becky beat Bianca Belair (then swapped titles with Charlotte)
SD Women's Champ: Charlotte beat..... ??? (then swapped belts)

[xrodmuc316]

WWE Title: Big E beat Bobby Lashley
Universal: Roman Reigns beat...... ???
IC: Nakamura beat..... Sami Zayn?
US: Damien Priest beat.... Miz?
RAW Tag Team: RK-Bro beat AJ Styles/Omos
SD Tag Team: The Usos beat..... ???
RAW Women's Champ: Becky beat Bianca Belair (then swapped titles with Charlotte)
SD Women's Champ: Charlotte beat..... ??? (then swapped belts)

I didnt look, but ill try my own question lol


100% sure
Roman beat the Fiend, but pinned Braun to win
Big E beat Lashley
Becky beat Bianca
Ilja over Walter

90% sure
Priest beat Sheamus
Nakamura beat Apollo
Usos beat New Day
RKBro beat AJ/Omos

Not at all sure/guessing lol
Charlotte over Rhea
Dana Brooke over Tozawa (there were a bunch of title changes that day lol)
Ciampa I believe pinned LA Knight
Carmelo Hayes over Bronson Reed maybe
Roderick over Kushida
Toxic Attraction over Io and Zoey Stark
Mandy Rose over Raquel Gonzalez

[Stu Hart]

Be honest : when did you last watch a full episode of Raw (and did you regret it?)?

[xrodmuc316]

Be honest : when did you last watch a full episode of Raw (and did you regret it?)?

Monday December 20th, 2021. After the Browns lost to the Raiders, I didnt want to watch anymore football that day, so no regrets watching Raw.

[Blonde Moment]

Be honest : when did you last watch a full episode of Raw (and did you regret it?)?

Last Monday


Be honest: Who was Jerry Lawler's best feud with?

[Vastardikai]

in WWE: Bret

in Memphis: Dundee

Which Wrestler in their prime would you want to see live?

[Ruien]

Do ratings matter to you?

[Blonde Moment]

Which Wrestler in their prime would you want to see live?

Andre.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How about do you remember who the current champions won their respective titles from?

Big E from Lashley
Roman from…Braun?
Nakamura from…Zayn?
Priest from Sheamus
Becky from Bianca
Charlotte from Nikki Ash
Carmella & Zelina from Rhea & Nikki
Dana from Reggie
Usos from The New Day?
RKBro from…AJ & Omos?

Forgot about NXT:

Tommaso from Samoa Joe
Carmelo Hayes from…fuck, I don’t know
Toxic Attraction from Raquel, Io & Zoey Starks
Roderick Strong from Kushida?

For fun:

The last two Royal Rumble winners: Edge, Drew McIntyre
KOTR winners: Xavier Woods, Baron Corbin
MITB winners: Big E, Otis, Nikki Ash, Asuka

Question: Do you believe the WWE is clueless?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Do ratings matter to you?

Yes and no. I personally don’t care if something is popular or not. I don’t want to sound like a hipster or anything, but there are plenty of good things that aren’t popular and popular things that aren’t good.

The effectiveness of wrestling, which is designed to put asses in seats, does matter to me though. It’s a useful indicator of performance.

But the way ratings are interpreted by commentators is pretty frustrating. The way technology, media and culture have moved past using trusting this algorithm to deliver the gospel truth is insane. Younger people piggy-back cable off their older generations who are stuck with it. There are other ways to consume. It’s annoying to hear wrestling journalists act as it 300k people in a key demo not reached by cable as effectively in 2022 is either a good or bad, depending on whether they like Raw or don’t like Dynamite.

[Bad News Gertner]

Last Monday


Be honest: Who was Jerry Lawler's best feud with?

Most enjoyable for me was Tommy Rich and Austin Idol

[Bad News Gertner]

in WWE: Bret

in Memphis: Dundee

Which Wrestler in their prime would you want to see live?

Ray Stevens just cause there's pretty much zero footage of Ray in his prime

[Bad News Gertner]

Be Honest: 1997 WWF blows 98 and 99 out of the water

[Bad News Gertner]

Be honest : when did you last watch a full episode of Raw (and did you regret it?)?

Raw 25 year anniversary and boy did I ever

[Mr. Nerfect]

Be Honest: 1997 WWF blows 98 and 99 out of the water

1997 and 1999 are no contest. 1998 had some REALLY good stuff though. I think the best editions of Raw might be those ones just after WrestleMania XIV. But I think I’m cherry-picking really good Steve Austin stuff and the effectiveness of it with the actual quality of the shows.

1997 is finally getting the acclaim it deserves in retrospect as being such a crucial foundation for the WWF to explode. That seems really obvious, but until the Network came about, I think the narrative was that the WWF only really got its shit together with Steve Austin in 1998 and that it was kind of “magic” without factoring in how much stuff in 1997 really did cultivate that.

Be honest: What do you think of the WWE being a publicly traded company?

[Destor]

in 98/99 Austin's pops were so loud the wwf should have been legally required to supply ear protection to the audience. so no. 97 was not better.

[Bad News Gertner]

97 Raw ages much better than 98 and definitely 99

[Destor]

ages well can mean whatever you want but ill assume youll mean its more engaging now but there's an issue there.

like all art form there's a lot of ways to go about a thing. we'll use film for the easy translation. the first time you watch a film you're watching the plot. the future is a mystery and the narrative can go anywhere. its infinite. its on the 2nd viewing that you can analyze it at a deeper level fully. cinematography, themes etc because the plot, now and forever, serves no fuction. its permanently dead. you know every beat to its conclusion.

in this way some films can really only ever be enjoyed once. films that hinge on a major 3rd act reveal or they lack depth or whatever.

now you could dismiss them and say theyre awful for lacking the layers other films have but in doing that you discount the initial riveting experience you had when you went in blind.

98/99 doesnt have the nuisanced wrestling of 95-97 at all but that doesnt disqualify it from being good or better just because what made it great cant be re-experienced. to see why its great instead watching it you should listen to it. the raw human emotion generated from peak 98-99 exceeds any point in the businesses history. nothings ever been hotter and the lived experience is captured forever even if we cant touch it again.

does it have the depth? no. most magic tricks dont. you can only watch them once. and 98-99 was absolutely magic.

[Bad News Gertner]

Can't disagree with that

[Destor]

ive got that best debater spammy locked

[Bad News Gertner]

Haha!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Be Honest: ECW stopped being good in 1997

Nobody answered this yet but I think you’re wrong on this one. 98 was more good than bad. Heatwave 98 is probably my favorite ECW show. RVD/Lynn, Tajiri/Super Crazy, and Awesome/Tanaka feuds are all post 97. Think 99 is when it started going downhill.

[Bad News Gertner]

They brought in Tajiri and Super Crazy because the in ring product was so awful. Plus the guys at the top had gotten stale. I actually enjoy 2000 ECW way more than 98 and 99

[xrodmuc316]

Nobody answered this yet but I think you’re wrong on this one. 98 was more good than bad. Heatwave 98 is probably my favorite ECW show. RVD/Lynn, Tajiri/Super Crazy, and Awesome/Tanaka feuds are all post 97. Think 99 is when it started going downhill.

I did bro!



ECW was good far past 1997. I think it was good until about 2000 when Taz and the Dudleys left.

[Destor]

ecw didnt end because its quality was so bad people stopped watching. they ran out of money.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yes definitely. I was at their only Canadian show in August 2000 and they drew over 5000 fans at the Hershy Centre in Missisauga Ontario.

Paul just made horrific business deals

[Destor]

the video games are what really did them in. had they sold the story would have been much different. took a gamble and lost his ass.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah Bix and Kris Zellner from Between the Sheets did a really in depth Patreon series on that topic. Wild stuff.

[Destor]

interesting. ill see if i can find that. not a lot of people know how major a role the acclaim deal played.

[Stu Hart]

Be honest : the fan service and interest in wrestling peaked in 1997.while 1998 was more financially lucrative on the back of Austin and the Rock, that actual must see tv started to fade

[Mr. Nerfect]

Be honest : the fan service and interest in wrestling peaked in 1997.while 1998 was more financially lucrative on the back of Austin and the Rock, that actual must see tv started to fade

Lol, come on now, Stu. This wouldn’t happen to coincide with a certain son of yours leaving the company, would it?

I think something clicked over in 2000. I’ve always had this sneaking suspicion it may have actually been triggered by the WWF’s transition to TNN.

[Bad News Gertner]

interesting. ill see if i can find that. not a lot of people know how major a role the acclaim deal played.

They have all sorts of shit like court documents. The stuff they uncovered was incredible.

Stuff like this

https://casetext.com/case/annodeus-inc-v-ciarkowski

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh wow.

[Destor]

Be honest : the fan service and interest in wrestling peaked in 1997.while 1998 was more financially lucrative on the back of Austin and the Rock, that actual must see tv started to fade
objectively false

[Stu Hart]

objectively false

Fandom is not objective. However the finances of wwf are objectively verifiable

[xrodmuc316]

Be honest : the fan service and interest in wrestling peaked in 1997.while 1998 was more financially lucrative on the back of Austin and the Rock, that actual must see tv started to fade

1998 was when Austin vs McMahon officially started. Austin's first title, Rock's first title. The Corporation, the Ministry, Foley HITC. 1998 was top notch!

[Destor]

Fandom is not objective. However the finances of wwf are objectively verifiable
we arent discussing fandoms. your statement "interest peaked in 97" is verifiably false. wrestling was a blip of what it was to become and it peaked in late 98. this isnt opinion.

[Stu Hart]

we arent discussing fandoms. your statement "interest peaked in 97" is verifiably false. wrestling was a blip of what it was to become and it peaked in late 98. this isnt opinion.

I can see now how you might interpret thisway. The thread is "be honest" suggesting personal experience.