WWE Day 1 - 1.1.22

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[Fignuts]

The only match worth watching just got cancelled.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/BrockLesnar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BrockLesnar</a> to challenge for WWE Championship tonight in Fatal 5-Way Match at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEDay1?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEDay1</a> following <a href="https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWERomanReigns</a> testing positive for COVID-19. <a href="https://t.co/wXmr4kzcz5">https://t.co/wXmr4kzcz5</a> <a href="https://t.co/WrRFmDSRjR">pic.twitter.com/WrRFmDSRjR</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1477416158504665093?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[owenbunny]

Lol owenbrown apparently quit tpww because he thinks everyone believes he blows men

get AIDS

I gotta take a huge Gertner now... man it's smelly...

Please apologize to the Windsor Connection

Fuck the Windsor Connection

isnt andre the giant really just a giant pussy

[Sepholio]

yo is miz fucking wasted? This is the must rambling incoherent promo Ive ever heard him cut I think.

[xrodmuc316]

yo is miz fucking wasted? This is the must rambling incoherent promo Ive ever heard him cut I think.

That is a newer thing they started doing with heels. Becky is always stuttering and/or repeating the same word. Seth too. I think they figured if the heels stutter and repeat themselves the promos last longer and they (Vince/writers) dont have to work as hard.

[slik]

Brock already front and center in the graphic

https://i.postimg.cc/1X8WLB41/Screenshot-2022-01-01-6-33-34-PM.png

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Holland busted open

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="sv" dir="ltr">GODDAMN! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEDay1?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEDay1</a> <a href="https://t.co/OalOypJoOS">pic.twitter.com/OalOypJoOS</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1477439643893350404?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

uhg ricochet broke Hollands nose accidentally.

[Gerard]

Lol, the commentators trying to spin what was clearly meant to be a leg drop into a spinning knee like thats what he intended..:roll:

[Sepholio]

lmfao what was that about someone vomitting up ryan seacrest?

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ridge Holland removed from the kickoff show match due to an apparent broken nose after this. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEDay1?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEDay1</a> <a href="https://t.co/5cWAGNYWlO">pic.twitter.com/5cWAGNYWlO</a></p>&mdash; Ryan Satin (@ryansatin) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/1477440507416494083?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

That injury resulted in Cesaro looking like he got ultra buried here. Nice rub for Sheamus though.

[Sepholio]

Lol, the commentators trying to spin what was clearly meant to be a leg drop into a spinning knee like thats what he intended..:roll:

Im not sure if it was overspin on a legdrop or if he underspun what was supposed to be a splash.

[slik]

Belt the Brock

[Gerard]

Im not sure if it was overspin on a legdrop or if he underspun what was supposed to be a splash.

Looked like a legdrop to me considering where his legs ended up.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So far no 'official' announcement has been made in the arena on Roman, just the 'sudden' insertion of Lesnar into the title match.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Day1?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Day1</a></p>&mdash; Kavontae Smalls (@KavontaeSmalls) <a href="https://twitter.com/KavontaeSmalls/status/1477446083211104259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sounds like they are now PREMIERE LIVE EVENTS and not PPVs</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1477446627681914881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

Hold up....if Roman tested positive how are the Usos not quarantined? Seems reckless to not hold them out too at least considering their close proximity to the tribal chief at all times. Will be interesting to see if Heyman has anything to do with the fatal 5-way.

[Sepholio]

lmfao did he just call COVID "The Big Homie-omie"?

[RaginRonic]

Pat McAfee's become one fucked up human being since joining WWE.

Case closed, Seph.

=P

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Fun tag match. Big Homie Omi the star of the show.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="sv" dir="ltr">GODDAMN! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEDay1?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEDay1</a> <a href="https://t.co/OalOypJoOS">pic.twitter.com/OalOypJoOS</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1477439643893350404?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now imagine if instead of apologizing, Ricochet instead gets a bunch of his friends to tweet how he has always been safe with them in the ring :lol:

[Sting Fan]

Brock already front and center in the graphic

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Jesus… I love Big E and he deserves better. Really hope he retains.

[RP]

Was Brock gonna beat Roman tonight? If not, why would he get thrown into this 5-way to win the belt? They could just move Brock vs Roman to Royal Rumble.


Am i making to much sense?

[slik]

drew not coming across as someone who should face reigns or lesnar

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cesaro and Ricochet was actually kind of a team in my brain last week. Not sure whether tonight did them favors, but ideally they’d be good outside promos.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brock should win the title tonight. I don’t know how they change his match and don’t do this.

[slik]

I'm not sure fans will boo Orton when he inevitiably turns on Riddle. He's at the point in his career where the crowd just wants to cheer for him.

[slik]

street profits working like they are turning heel soon

[slik]

good rko

[Mr. Nerfect]

On a serious note, researching the links between cancer and COVID makes me concerned for Reigns. I hope he’s okay.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not sure fans will boo Orton when he inevitiably turns on Riddle. He's at the point in his career where the crowd just wants to cheer for him.

I’m not entirely convinced Orton will be the one who turns. Riddle seems like the natural babyface in the equation, but it’s so…predictable. And I think there’s a ceiling on stoner Riddle as a face. I can see him being the asshole and becoming an obnoxious version of himself to get him into main events.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I say becoming obnoxious. I can see them leaning into that as a heel trait. Maybe he picks up Alpha Academy as stooges? I dunno. I can see him turning heel and being let loose in that way. Riddle could use the “change.” Orton is going to be Orton no matter what.

[slik]

random superstar video packages to fill time

[Blonde Moment]

Orton should not be the one turning

[slik]

Farmer Brock is great

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Match - Backstage Segment - Video Package - Commercial - Backstage Segment - Commercials - Commentators - Match

[Mr. Nerfect]

I say all that stuff while only loosely following the product, lol. But I think heel Riddle is just more…interesting. Plus, since he keeps putting his foot in his mouth and a lot of the top guys (who happen to be babyfaces) don’t want to work with him, being a heel means he can get his ass kicked and it’s supposed to be the desirable outcome. As a face, you’ve got to push him, otherwise it looks bad on you.

Jerkass Riddle is evergreen heel. You keep him in place that way. Much harder to treat him like a face on the cusp of something.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Riddle turns heel and Orton wins their match.

[slik]

Good Brood entrance for Edge

[Mr. Nerfect]

I had a theory the Miz/Edge program lasts until Mania. We’ll see what happens.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Crazy prediction: The Miz is going to have an amazing 2022. Not the dude’s biggest fan, but I think he does blockbuster stuff.

[slik]

My guess is Miz gets Goldberg's final match at WM and Edge faces AJ Styles

[Sepholio]

Beth Phoenix has been playing Cyberpunk I see.

[xrodmuc316]

LOL that was so awkward. Just standing there for like a minute waiting for her music to start.

[slik]

beth phoenix just standing at the top of the ramp until her music hits so she can walk to the ring, awkward

[Mr. Nerfect]

My guess is Miz gets Goldberg's final match at WM and Edge faces AJ Styles

Not a bad guess. Likely, actually. Not the specifics but the matches. I think Goldberg works the Saudi show and not WrestleMania. I think the Saudi government likes putting a Jewish guy over on their shows.

Edge and AJ is not a bad shout. I consider it likely. But my bold prediction is that Miz wins, eliminates Edge in the Rumble, is a thorn in his side. They have a “Hardcore Match” at WrestleMania (they’ll call it whatever, but comparisons are drawn between Edge and Foley and Miz being in the Edge role). Edge wins that. Then he can get back on his quest for the belt or whatever.

My bold, bold, bold prediction is that Miz interrupts a Steve Austin segment on night two of Mania (having lost the night before). He eats a Stunner. Miz does the old “call out the legend, they no-show, heel claims the forfeit win). Austin does actually show up to Stunner Miz in Texas, cost him Money in the Bank (looks like he’s about to win, Austin kicks out the ladder, Stunner). Miz and Austin in the UK for WrestleGala or HyperBrawl or whatever they call it.

It’s crazy. But I’ve got an inkling.

[Mr. Nerfect]

0% chance of that happening, haha. I dunno. I’m just feeling something.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wtf is this with Beth? She’s canceling out Maryse?

[Triple A]

Didn't Liv Morgan have like 5 title match losses against Becky Lynch on Raw in the past 2 months before this PPV title match

[Mr. Nerfect]

Didn't Liv Morgan have like 5 title match losses against Becky Lynch on Raw in the past 2 months before this PPV title match

AEW! AEW! AEW! AEW!

[Triple A]

? Are you retarded?

[slik]

wish gail kim would run out right now and make this a triple threat

[Sepholio]

Liv.....ohhhhhh myyyyyyyyy

She might be the hottest girl in WWE history*

*not named Stacy Kiebler

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Wish Liv would ditch the bedazzled tears on her face. Looks like a sad clown.

[Blonde Moment]

No one thinks Liv is going to win this

[slik]

He looks wasted

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My favorite wrestling viewing partner <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEDay1?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEDay1</a> <a href="https://t.co/HeNYoBXWuH">pic.twitter.com/HeNYoBXWuH</a></p>&mdash; Raj Giri (@RajGiri_303) <a href="https://twitter.com/RajGiri_303/status/1477476286863843328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

No one thinks Liv is going to win this

No but I hoped she would.

[OssMan]

boring

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those wondering, no mention of Roman to the live crowd.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEDay1?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEDay1</a></p>&mdash; Kavontae Smalls (@KavontaeSmalls) <a href="https://twitter.com/KavontaeSmalls/status/1477480681806733312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[OssMan]

"Fatal Five Way" mad stupid name lol, have they ever done 1 before

[Sepholio]

You know what? I think KO wins this tonight and shocks everyone.

[slik]

Brock entering last

[Sepholio]

lol Lesnar coming out after Big E.

[Sepholio]

I need Lashley v Lesnar at WM. That spot right there was all I needed to know that.

[Sepholio]

They should call this match a Ménage à Cinq

[Sepholio]

Holy shit. Roman getting THE BIG HOMIE OMIE really changed plans

[Emperor Smeat]

:| Big E's WWE title reign ends via WWE panic booking.

WWE title match was amazing for the brief time it had but holy hell, Lesnar winning the belt left a big sour feeling afterwards.

Wonder what was the original plan for that match and the Universal title match had Reigns not gotten COVID.

[Triple A]

Did they change his name to "Seth Freakin Rollins"... why do they keep repeatedly saying that...

[xrodmuc316]

Correct me if I am wrong, but Brock got absolutely zero offense on Lashley. Really feels like they just set it up for Brock vs Lashley.

[Sepholio]

Feel like Brock was guaranteed the title in his contract and they didnt want to take it off Roman yet so they faked him having COVID because its believable and gave the WWE title to Brock instead. *hits blunt*

[Triple A]

lol @ beating Big E with a guy who wasn't supposed to be in the match

[Sepholio]

Correct me if I am wrong, but Brock got absolutely zero offense on Lashley. Really feels like they just set it up for Brock vs Lashley.

Oh yeah they 100% just set that up for Mania. That's clearly the plan for RAW going forward.

[slik]

Brock is New Day's kryptonite during title reigns. My guess is this sets up Brock vs Roman vs Lashley for WM.

[erickman]

the match we have been waiting 15 years for brock vs bob lashley at mania

[Emperor Smeat]

Feel like Brock was guaranteed the title in his contract and they didnt want to take it off Roman yet so they faked him having COVID because its believable and gave the WWE title to Brock instead. *hits blunt*

That would be one sure way to having everyone right back on the despising Reigns train if that ever got revealed to be true.

Screw over Big E's reign all because WWE booked themselves into a big corner if that was ever the actual case.

Its not like Lesnar was made to look weak during the match since they had several outs for him done during it if they needed to remove him from the finish and potentially setup a Lashley vs. Lesnar feud down the line.

[Sepholio]

Brock is New Day's kryptonite during title reigns. My guess is this sets up Brock vs Roman vs Lashley for WM.

No way. I hope not at least.

If that's the case then Lashley is winning the Rumble. How else do you book that? Then what do you do with the EC?

I just had a strange kinda unrelated thought trying to figure out what they do here. What if they've been cutting the roster so much not because they are going to sell the company but because they are going to merge the rosters again? It's a possibility if you think about it.

They've supposedly upset NBC and FOX both at times for doing better stuff and having better people on the other show. Merging the rosters eliminates that issue because all talent and angles will be available to all shows and they can give both NBC and FOX better shit to keep them happier. Also frees up things in terms of booking, lets them keep things fresher with more options for programs.

I say this because if they are going to merge rosters then what better time to do it then right after Mania on the season premiere and kicking it off by unifying the titles at Mania with Brock v Roman v RR winner Lashley?

[Mr. Nerfect]

? Are you retarded?

Great language.

:| Big E's WWE title reign ends via WWE panic booking.

WWE title match was amazing for the brief time it had but holy hell, Lesnar winning the belt left a big sour feeling afterwards.

Wonder what was the original plan for that match and the Universal title match had Reigns not gotten COVID.

Brock was always winning when he was put in the match. Whatever their plans are now, they’ve factored this in. He’s the biggest the babyface and he got a moment in sour circumstances.

lol @ beating Big E with a guy who wasn't supposed to be in the match

That’s the conventional booking rule. The sub wins. Should it be? I dunno. But that’s been the rule.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is why I believed people shitting on a Rock return. Entitled bastards will shit on anything. If Big E retained? “Why’d they even put Lesnar in the match?” Guaranteed.

They got hit hard by real life shit. They made decisions. One of them was to put their biggest star over in the main event. Deal with it.

[Emperor Smeat]

Or they could have just taken him out from the finish without him needing to actually win the belt since they set that up as a possibility a couple times during the match.

If Reigns' ends up being away longer than expected due to COVID, that 5-way set up two different roads for Lesnar with him vs. Lashley or him vs. Rollins & Owens as a mini-feud to buy some time while Big E goes on with whatever WWE's plans were for him with the belt after Day 1.

According to FOX, looks like the original plan was for Big E to retain his belt via their original results page they forgot to update before posting.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIEYIPlXEAILvUD?format=jpg&name=large

[Mr. Nerfect]

Or they could have just taken him out from the finish without him needing to actually win the belt since they set that up as a possibility a couple times during the match.

If Reigns' ends up being away longer than expected due to COVID, that 5-way set up two different roads for Lesnar with him vs. Lashley or him vs. Rollins & Owens as a mini-feud to buy some time while Big E goes on with whatever WWE's plans were for him with the belt after Day 1.

According to FOX, looks like the original plan was for Big E to retain his belt via their original results page they forgot to update before posting.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIEYIPlXEAILvUD?format=jpg&name=large

Could just be a mistake. In fact, I’d bet it is. But Big E retaining would have made sense. It just didn’t given the circumstances.

They could have crowned an interim champion. They could have used it as an angle. They could have done a bunch of things. But this is what they WANTED to do. And it means something to some people. They saw a WWE Title change. It means more now it’s on Brock. And when does that end? The Rumble? On TV? That could be huge.

I just don’t agree with calling it a “panic move”. For all we know, Roman is out indefinitely. There could be seriously smart creative plans in place. I doubt this went over Heyman’s head. Just chill out and stop the “WWE Bad” narrative in this circumstance. They wanted a moment for a weird show. They may have a way in and out…or to run this further than any of us expect.

[TNARICK1]

Is this over yet? I'm just getting home.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brock won the WWE Title. Now Big E is dead.

[TNARICK1]

Lol they should have taken advantage of Big E being black and make him cut promos on AEW while retaining the title.

[Emperor Smeat]

Could just be a mistake. In fact, I’d bet it is. But Big E retaining would have made sense. It just didn’t given the circumstances.

They could have crowned an interim champion. They could have used it as an angle. They could have done a bunch of things. But this is what they WANTED to do. And it means something to some people. They saw a WWE Title change. It means more now it’s on Brock. And when does that end? The Rumble? On TV? That could be huge.

I just don’t agree with calling it a “panic move”. For all we know, Roman is out indefinitely. There could be seriously smart creative plans in place. I doubt this went over Heyman’s head. Just chill out and stop the “WWE Bad” narrative in this circumstance. They wanted a moment for a weird show. They may have a way in and out…or to run this further than any of us expect.

They could have also just given Lesnar the night off due to Reigns' COVID issue and kept all their existing plans in place instead of screwing up whatever they had set for after Day 1.

Inserting a guy at the very last minute into a title match and giving him said title is a "panic move" and its not like WWE doesn't have a past history with these type of puzzling booking decisions whenever a serious wrench is thrown into their plans.

You probably thing Becky Lynch's title win at SummerSlam was this smart creative plan when both her and Bianca have mentioned in past interviews about it being a last minute decision once Sasha Banks was pulled from the show with no prior announcement given.

Plus "smart creative plans" and Bruce Prichard in charge of creative is an oxymoron at this point considering how bad WWE's overall booking has become ever since he took control, especially on the RAW side.

[#1-norm-fan]

There could be seriously smart creative plans in place.

:lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

They could have also just given Lesnar the night off due to Reigns' COVID issue and kept all their existing plans in place instead of screwing up whatever they had set for after Day 1.

Inserting a guy at the very last minute into a title match and giving him said title is a "panic move" and its not like WWE doesn't have a past history with these type of puzzling booking decisions whenever a serious wrench is thrown into their plans.

You probably thing Becky Lynch's title win at SummerSlam was this smart creative plan when both her and Bianca have mentioned in past interviews about it being a last minute decision once Sasha Banks was pulled from the show with no prior announcement given.

Plus "smart creative plans" and Bruce Prichard in charge of creative is an oxymoron at this point considering how bad WWE's overall booking has become ever since he took control, especially on the RAW side.

If they had done what you suggest, you’d be right on here talking about how WWE got hit by COVID and had to scrap matches and had nothing good planned. Sorry to make a hasty generalization, but it’s true. They can do no right in this situation with you.

What were their plans for Day 1? And how do they pertain to a WrestleMania that may or may not happen as planned? Please tell. You don’t know. Imagine you are actually in this situation. You’re actually in it. Roman Reigns might die. Who fucking knows? You’re sitting on here claiming that they’re making hasty decisions creatively because they’re idiots. Cool. Maybe they know a bit more about the health situation, and maybe they’ve got a Plan B? Maybe they just wanted to get through an administrative nightmare with a way out should things be okay? You don’t fucking know.

If Adam Page calls in sick because he has an infant daughter, that company is going to get endless praise from you. Who cares what they did and didn’t advertise, good old AEW for letting a sick man stay at home. At least they didn’t…what? Do what WWE did?

This shit throws things into the air. For whatever you want to say about them, their plan for Roman/Brock was seemingly set. Now it’s in question. Idiots! Haha! Fuck them! Why would they make things DIFFERENT in the wake of this nonsense? Morons.

Just shut the fuck up about this and let it play out. I don’t know why you’re projecting Becky Lynch into this. It’s got literally nothing to do with it.

[Emperor Smeat]

Jesus Christ, the fuck you go on this long tangent all because I didn't like the ending to the WWE title match nor the idea of killing Big E's reign in favor of just slapping the belt on Lesnar again.

You just wanted to bitch because someone didn't like how WWE handled the booking of Lesnar's late addition and the title match ending Are you bitching at everyone else on Twitter and online who's also upset over it, some who are upset that this was a piss poor way to end Big E's reign and others pointing out something similar happened to Kofi's reign when WWE had a popular new champ that they could have built up as a big new star going forward.

You complain that I don't know anything about what WWE has for creative but guess what, you don't either regardless of how much you try to portray yourself on these forums as someone who's smarter than everyone else here and online who has different views than you. You even think your smarter than experts when it comes to ratings stuff all because they say stuff that doesn't comprehend with your warped mind.

Seeing as just don't actually watch the shows and just claim you know all from reading results or whatever people are saying online, you should have noticed that Sasha Banks case was the last time WWE did something similar when it came to pulling someone off the show at the last minute involving a high profile match.

Take the advice about shutting the fuck up and apply it to yourself as well.

[Emperor Smeat]

Actually fuck it, I'm putting this on the line unless your that much of a wuss to accept.

1 year ban from the forums for whoever is wrong about this situation since Fightful Select very likely will have news about why WWE decided to give Lesnar the belt soon.

Your claim is this is some sort of smart creative plan or a Plan B they have thought out going forward.

My claim is this is panic booking or something they did at the last minute with little to no care what they had planned before.

Edit: I'm going to sleep now since engaging with you has given me a big headache and for my own health's sake. You have 24 hours, if you refuse, the forums will forever know you as the giant wuss who is all talk and no bark.

[TNARICK1]

Accept the challenge. I want Emperor Smeat banned for tampering with the Sheetys awards.

[Danny Electric]

Having all the black wrestlers lose the day after all that AEW lack of diversity stuff is probably not the best timing. AEW should run with it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Wait, Big E dropped the belt randomly as a knee jerk reaction to the Lesnar Reigns match getting canceled? Lmaoooooo any argument for Big E getting shafted is easily shot down by the fact that they didn’t have to put Lesnar in the match. It’s the same shit they did with Bianca. Not as bad. But still. Cutting the legs of your babyface champs with dumb last minute decisions is interesting booking to say the least.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Having all the black wrestlers lose the day after all that AEW lack of diversity stuff is probably not the best timing. AEW should run with it.

They could’ve really rubbed it in by booking all their black wrestlers to win. What an easy way to stick it to the other guy.

[Sting Fan]

Fucking terrible… there was no need for that.

[drave]

Wait, Big E dropped the belt randomly as a knee jerk reaction to the Lesnar Reigns match getting canceled? Lmaoooooo any argument for Big E getting shafted is easily shot down by the fact that they didn’t have to put Lesnar in the match. It’s the same shit they did with Bianca. Not as bad. But still. Cutting the legs of your babyface champs with dumb last minute decisions is interesting booking to say the least.


You can still have him in the match and not eat the pin too. They could have had Big E not take the fall, but they did.


Personally, I understand the draw of the Brock Lesnar name. At the same time it's more "oh, it's this again". I find the idea of a Big E title reign more intriguing than Lesnar because we've seen Lesnar here before, for a VERY LONG TIME and its all rehashed, he just has a cute pony tail as a mid life crisis from going bald is all.


:wave:

[erickman]

They could’ve really rubbed it in by booking all their black wrestlers to win. What an easy way to stick it to the other guy.

make moose the belt collector let him take the wwe belt and the aew belt.

[Ruien]

How long is Roman out? If its for awhile then I get it. Put Brock on both shows with the title instead of sitting on Smackdown! beating up the Usos for 6 months.

[Ruien]

Smackdown revolved around Reigns. Brock needs someone to feud with. Now Lashley or Rollins/Owens can fill that gap while Big E, hopefully, continues to dominate.

[drave]

Well, depends.


CDC protocol is now 5 days after a + test and if you're asymptomatic, another 5 days with a mask. if symptomatic, then isolate an additional 5 days.


Given how this has been a lingering issue for a while, who knows what they're actual protocols are. Hopefully, they don't fuck around.

[Blonde Moment]

It was a panic move because obviously Reigns/Lesnar was the big main event and not only did Covid kill that it put the Rumble main event up in the air as well. It sucks but it can be "fixed" by WM By having Lashley, Big E or Lesnar win the actual RR.

They can have Roman interfere in the Lesnar/Big E or Lesnar/Lashley match to cost Lesnar the title which can lead to Lashley/Big E and Roman/Lesnar.

[Ruien]

There is potential. Roman is obviously the guy. Having Brock beat the rest of the main eventers to job to Roman after will put him on the John Cena level.

[slik]

Fightful reporting Drew McIntyre has a legit neck injury post Day 1

[Blonde Moment]

There is potential. Roman is obviously the guy. Having Brock beat the rest of the main eventers to job to Roman after will put him on the John Cena level.

Kind of what they have been wanting for years

[Sepholio]

Fightful reporting Drew McIntyre has a legit neck injury post Day 1

The reports I've seen say he's been nursing the injury for a few weeks and the post match attack by Corbin was a way to right him off to get treatment.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jesus Christ, the fuck you go on this long tangent all because I didn't like the ending to the WWE title match nor the idea of killing Big E's reign in favor of just slapping the belt on Lesnar again.

No, it’s not because you didn’t like the ending of the title match. Don’t try and misrepresent this. It’s because of your eye-rolling and attempt to represent this as an objectively bad idea. There’s a difference between “I don’t like this” and “this is a panic move because the WWE doesn’t know what it’s doing.” I’m calling you out on the latter.

You just wanted to bitch because someone didn't like how WWE handled the booking of Lesnar's late addition and the title match ending Are you bitching at everyone else on Twitter and online who's also upset over it, some who are upset that this was a piss poor way to end Big E's reign and others pointing out something similar happened to Kofi's reign when WWE had a popular new champ that they could have built up as a big new star going forward.

Dafuq are you going on about here? Smokescreen and a half. Again, I’m calling you out for being a reactionary moron. Not liking something is not the same thing as saying it is bad.

You complain that I don't know anything about what WWE has for creative but guess what, you don't either regardless of how much you try to portray yourself on these forums as someone who's smarter than everyone else here and online who has different views than you. You even think your smarter than experts when it comes to ratings stuff all because they say stuff that doesn't comprehend with your warped mind.


Meltdown mode. I don’t know what WWE has planned for this situation. That’s why I’m not critiquing it on the face of it. Yet. And yeah, I’m smarter than 95% of people on these forums. That’s not hard to achieve. Lol, “experts?” Dave Meltzer is not an expert. The things I claim about ratings are common sense. Do you think they’re incorrect? How about arguing about that in the appropriate thread instead of doing what every other ass-lick I embarrass on here does and cry that big scary Noid is wrong instead of actually providing any evidence.

Experts, folks. Experts. Don’t listen to what I say, because experts disagree. I am the expert, you cunt.

Seeing as just don't actually watch the shows and just claim you know all from reading results or whatever people are saying online, you should have noticed that Becky Lynch case was the last time WWE did something similar when it came to pulling someone off the show at the last minute involving a high profile match.

Take the advice about shutting the fuck up and apply it to yourself as well.

Dafuq is this point? Becky came back at SummerSlam and beat Bianca, right? That was a good move. Becky is still the champion now. I don’t get this point. You’re just flailing around in time and space saying anything.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Actually fuck it, I'm putting this on the line unless your that much of a wuss to accept.

1 year ban from the forums for whoever is wrong about this situation since Fightful Select very likely will have news about why WWE decided to give Lesnar the belt soon.

Your claim is this is some sort of smart creative plan or a Plan B they have thought out going forward.

My claim is this is panic booking or something they did at the last minute with little to no care what they had planned before.

Edit: I'm going to sleep now since engaging with you has given me a big headache and for my own health's sake. You have 24 hours, if you refuse, the forums will forever know you as the giant wuss who is all talk and no bark.

Lol, what the fuck is this? Is this you attempting to be threatening?

First, you don’t command that respect. Never have; never will, bitch. Giving people time limits to respond to your childish demands? Get the fuck out of here. Secondly, you’re a moron that is going to warp anything to fit your narrative anyway. If Dave Meltzer calls this a shit move, you’re going to treat it as objective fact. [I]That is the actual problem with your uncritical ass.

The WWE will get through WrestleMania, do what they’re gonna do, and you’re still going to call it insane. You’re going back and doing the same thing with Becky and Bianca now. You’re a mark. You need to be told what to think. But sure, go ahead and ban yourself when WWE ends up doing something with this situation, hero. I’m going to tea-bag you over this forever. You did this to yourself, moron.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Actually, when have you ever admitted you’re wrong. You just hide behind other people standing up for you saying that they’re not actually your ideas and you’re just sharing the stupidity. I think I’m going to start dunking on your ass more for this shit. I say that because you won’t accept your self-imposed ban when things turn out the way they do.

[Jordan]

You guys are tearing this thread apart!

[Sepholio]

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one wiener next to another floppy wiener dangle dangle

[Evil Vito]

It was clear that Brock was winning the moment he was added to the match - aside from the fact that it's Brock Lesnar, if you book a babyface in a replacement match, you book them to go over in the hope that the audience are so excited by it that they overlook the fact they didn't get the advertised match. The problem is that they booked him to pin the babyface champion in the process, rather than one of the other three men in the match - two of which are heels that have lost to Brock before and can weather the storm - rather than protecting Big E.

I had no expectation for Big E to keep the title past the Rumble anyway - it's Wrestlemania season, the cards need to be reshuffled to get the Proper Stars involved - but losing it clean and unprotected doesn't suggest any real intention to keep him in the title picture or give him any meaningful forward momentum.

[weather vane]

Big E won the title 9/13. He then

- Lost to Roman in a triple threat and Bloodline in trios 9/20
- Lost to Usos by countout 10/10
- Lost to Rollins/Usos 11/15
- Lost to Roman at Survivor Series
- Lost to Owens by DQ 11/29
- Lost to Lashley 12/13
- Loses title to Brock at Day 1

[weather vane]

Stolen from Twitter.

[Lock Jaw]

I am the expert, you cunt.

lollllll dying at this sentence. You should get it on a T-shirt.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’ve never seen a more delusional combination of stupidity and arrogance than Noid. Peak Droford doesn’t even hold a candle.

[Mr. Nerfect]

lollllll dying at this sentence. You should get it on a T-shirt.

Will do. I’ll get a discount on them when I also print my “Noid’s Bitch” shirt for Smeat to wear all year long.

I mean, this thread has got nothing to do with the ratings, but since he brought them up: What’s something I’ve ever said that’s wrong about them? He just can’t handle that I don’t scoop up Daddy Meltzer’s bullshit and can actually think for myself.

Brock Lesnar winning the WWE Title is not the end of the world, folks. Big E is still getting paid as much today as he was yesterday. Brock is a bigger star and better talent at this point. They had Brock pin Big E on purpose. It was a deliberate decision. You may not like it, but to act like this is wildly off the rails is just childish, and anyone can see that. They’re just tantrums because WWE bad and they didn’t book the way me want.

[screech]

How many pages could this Noid and peak Droford go?

I think they're both boring but enough people would egg them on for a bit.

[Emperor Smeat]

Dafuq is this point? Becky came back at SummerSlam and beat Bianca, right? That was a good move. Becky is still the champion now. I don’t get this point. You’re just flailing around in time and space saying anything.

My mistake, meant Sasha and not Becky. Becky was the one who came in at the last minute to win the SD Women's title while Sasha was the one who got pulled from the show.

Plus you have around 10 hours left to accept the bet since I'm not backing down at all while you seem to be that much of a wuss. Also since a banning is on the line, its an all or nothing to be right and no halfsies since that's a weeny way out. 6 months for halfsies and we both serve it if that happens.

[Lock Jaw]

Somehow from his opinions, I get the impression that he is not going to accept a bet whose outcome relies on what the "sheetz" say.

[XL]

Immediate reaction; “Same shit, different year”.

Rationalising it; it’s the first ever Day 1 <s>PPV</s> Premium Live Event, it’s on New Year’s Day, the turnout is reportedly less than stellar, and they’ve had to pull a match from the card. They want to present the PPV as “must see” if they want to do it again next year.

Further thoughts; I’m not taken with Brock as champion, I’m also not really into Brock vs Roman either though. The stuff between Brock and Lashley was interesting, I’d be into that. I’d also be into Big E chasing the belt back from Brock. But I don’t think we’ll get either of those things, and the damage to Big E might not be repairable.

[XL]

Somehow from his opinions, I get the impression that he is not going to accept a bet whose outcome relies on what the "sheetz" say.

How long did his “time away to read books” last? He can’t admit it but Noid needs this place. :kiss:

[Emperor Smeat]

Somehow from his opinions, I get the impression that he is not going to accept a bet whose outcome relies on what the "sheetz" say.

Then he will forever be known as the biggest wuss ever in the history of TPWW and someone who can't handle the heat when it comes to backing up his shit interactions on these forums. Plus I'll push for something really devious if he thinks he's going to weasel his way out of this.

For me, whatever happens is a win-win situation. That might sound strange but one day I'll reveal why. Just don't feel like it or comfortable right now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Somehow from his opinions, I get the impression that he is not going to accept a bet whose outcome relies on what the "sheetz" say.

And how is it going to be measured? By Smeat’s opinion. All I’m saying is that there’s intentionality behind this decision. They didn’t have to put Brock in the WWE Title match. They chose to. So if Brock goes into Mania as champion…do I win? What about if he defends the belt on Raw sometime and loses it back to Big E? Do I win then? Or is Smeat going to fold his arms and say “See! I didn’t like this so therefore it was short-sighted”?

Would he make the same bet about Becky and Bianca? I think the plan is for Bianca to take the belt off Becky at Mania. So is that long-term planning that started at SummerSlam? Or is Smeat going to count that as a “WWE Bad” moment?

My issue with him is his credulity and tendency to just believe this rhetoric. I don’t trust him to have any sort of objective standard in place.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’d be very happy if Smeat exiled himself when Big E and Brock are both still on the WWE come Mania and the sky hasn’t fallen though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Immediate reaction; “Same shit, different year”.

Rationalising it; it’s the first ever Day 1 <s>PPV</s> Premium Live Event, it’s on New Year’s Day, the turnout is reportedly less than stellar, and they’ve had to pull a match from the card. They want to present the PPV as “must see” if they want to do it again next year.

Further thoughts; I’m not taken with Brock as champion, I’m also not really into Brock vs Roman either though. The stuff between Brock and Lashley was interesting, I’d be into that. I’d also be into Big E chasing the belt back from Brock. But I don’t think we’ll get either of those things, and the damage to Big E might not be repairable.

I’d be fine with Brock and Lashley too, but I’d have done it later under regular circumstances. Big E never came off as a true main eventer to me. I’d be happy if he went back with The New Day or something like that. People were saying his WWE Title win was just a ratings ploy when it happened too, lol.

[screech]

Does Big E bounce back from this and win the Rumble or was that title run "it" for him (for now)?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Does Big E bounce back from this and win the Rumble or was that title run "it" for him (for now)?

He could win the Rumble. I’ve been under the assumption that the WWE Title match at Mania would be Lashley vs. Big E. That could have seen Lashley winning the Rumble or Big E losing the belt and winning the Rumble.

It would actually make a bit of sense of Brock drops the WWE Title to Lashley to setup him versus Roman, and Big E then wins the Rumble to prove he still belongs in the main event.

I’m not really enthused by Big E as a main eventer. I feel like the biggest match in its place for the guy is a Triple Threat with The New Day. I think he would be the most logical choice to win that.

[Emperor Smeat]

And how is it going to be measured? By Smeat’s opinion. All I’m saying is that there’s intentionality behind this decision. They didn’t have to put Brock in the WWE Title match. They chose to. So if Brock goes into Mania as champion…do I win? What about if he defends the belt on Raw sometime and loses it back to Big E? Do I win then? Or is Smeat going to fold his arms and say “See! I didn’t like this so therefore it was short-sighted”?

Would he make the same bet about Becky and Bianca? I think the plan is for Bianca to take the belt off Becky at Mania. So is that long-term planning that started at SummerSlam? Or is Smeat going to count that as a “WWE Bad” moment?

My issue with him is his credulity and tendency to just believe this rhetoric. I don’t trust him to have any sort of objective standard in place.

Don't try to weasle out of this.

A simple yes or no answer is only needed.

Whatever Fightful Select reports on the situation is what gets counted so you can't claim any bias or other shit. Ringsdide News has stuff that's way more damaging for your claims of "smart creative booking" but since Triple A doesn't count them as a source for the Frontpage, they don't factor into this unless Fightful collaborates it.

I already saw part of the report from Fightful.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don't try to weasle out of this.

A simple yes or no answer is only needed.

Whatever Fightful Select reports on the situation is what gets counted so you can't claim any bias or other shit. Ringsdide News has stuff that's way more damaging for your claims of "smart creative booking" but since Triple A doesn't count them as a source for the Frontpage, they don't factor into this unless Fightful collaborates it.

I already saw part of the report from Fightful.

I don’t consider Fightful credible at all. You’re the one trying to jam people into your little paradigm. You can ban yourself from this place all you want. I’m not at the whims of someone trying to censor others because they don’t like being called on their bullshit.

The obvious thing they are building to would be Brock vs. Roman, title for title at Mania. Even Bryan Alvarez has alluded to this. Brock and Roman has been the plan since forever ago. How would any of that count as a panic move? Yet you’ll claim that it is because of anti-WWE bias.

Are you going to admit that you are wrong if Brock vs. Roman happens at Mania, Roman’s health permitting?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Fightful has been the most credible news site for a while

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think as annoyed as people are with Brock’s booking, they need to understand what most of us have come to expect: certain top guys get special treatment. Brock Lesnar gets special treatment. Roman Reigns gets special treatment. Hook gets special treatment. It’s just the way it is. Better make peace with it now.

[Emperor Smeat]

I don’t consider Fightful credible at all. You’re the one trying to jam people into your little paradigm. You can ban yourself from this place all you want. I’m not at the whims of someone trying to censor others because they don’t like being called on their bullshit.

The obvious thing they are building to would be Brock vs. Roman, title for title at Mania. Even Bryan Alvarez has alluded to this. Brock and Roman has been the plan since forever ago. How would any of that count as a panic move? Yet you’ll claim that it is because of anti-WWE bias.

Are you going to admit that you are wrong if Brock vs. Roman happens at Mania, Roman’s health permitting?

Still trying to weasel out of just giving a simple yes or no response

Who said anything about Brock vs. Reigns at Mania.

The whole bet revolved around Lesnar winning the title either being the result of:
A) Panic booking with little to no care what they had planed before for both the belt and Big E
B) Some smart creative plan that they had actually fully thought out and not just them trying to wing it as much as possible to buy time until Reigns can come back and not ruin whatever they had in place for Mania plans.

4 hours left.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fightful has been the most credible news site for a while

More credible than Meltzer in 2022 doesn’t mean that much.

I think as annoyed as people are with Brock’s booking, they need to understand what most of us have come to expect: certain top guys get special treatment. Brock Lesnar gets special treatment. Roman Reigns gets special treatment. Hook gets special treatment. It’s just the way it is. Better make peace with it now.

And hell, it should be that way. The WrestleMania name is going to sell the show to an extent, but on that marquee it helps to have something that feels special. Brock vs. Roman is that match. Had the circumstances not been what they were, Roman probably would have screwed Brock without Heyman there to “muddy the waters.” A fine finish would have been the tossing the belt spot, only with an Uso actually helping Reigns more effectively. Brock enters the Rumble with the main story being The Usos in there to make sure he doesn’t win. Brock and Lashley would probably be teased there and either Brock wins or Bobby wins to set up a middle of the card WWE Title match between him and Big E.

Now, because they’re going to be without the Universal Champion for at least a few weeks, they’ve got thr WWE Title on their biggest available star, with the story likely being Heyman begging Brock to sign an exclusive deal with Raw to keep both sides happy. Brock actively wants Reigns, Heyman pulls whatever remaining hair he has out, and hopefully things go back to a relative normal soon and they get themselves out of the two belts situation when they can.

Brock wins the Rumble, Brock beats Lashley at Super Showdown or whatever the Saudi show is. Brock vs. Roman as the Night 2 main event at Mania. It’s not rocket science. It’s not even a bad idea — especially given the circumstances. Big E is probably going to get a “man, I let myself down and got pinned at Day 1” story. Might still get the Lashley match at Mania, it just won’t have a belt on the line in it.

Heyman is very involved in everything Brock does. This is all very deliberate. It may not have been their chosen route, but it’s not necessarily a “panic move” or a fuck you Big E move. They just want a champion on SmackDown and have taken this situation to make Brock vs. Roman an even more important match. Provided Roman can get himself back.

They could have just made Brock interim champion on SmackDown. If Roman is not available to get back, they could have still had Brock win the Rumble and go against Lashley. This wasn’t the way they HAD to do it, but it’s obviously an active decision-making process to try and bolster both Raw and SmackDown in the chaotic short-term and possibly create a company-wide context behind Roman and Brock which is easily your biggest match and the thing you have been actively building to.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Like, what they did isn’t even the most obvious thing to do. They could have scrapped Drew vs. Moss and done Brock vs. Drew for an interim belt. Or not even have that but just do a different Brock match. Him against Happy Corbin, or Sheamus, or a whole bunch of heels and he’s pissed off Roman isn’t there.

You have to actually THINK to come up with the idea of Brock, the free agent, entering the WWE Title match. It’s not the most obvious solution to “Well, we want Brock to do something on this show, because people want to see him kill people.” But let’s project panic onto the situation because WWE bad.

[Lock Jaw]

Thinking about a guy like Big E, people saying how this loss to Brock will "damage him". But in reality, he will always just be "another guy" at this point in his career. They could give him the title back in a few months or next year and he'd feel exactly the same as he did.

The majority of the WWE roster, minus Brock Lesnar (who has the lure of being part time and booked like a Beast) and Roman Reigns (who has been protected and booked strong since his debut) are just "another guy". They can be pushed to world titles and main event pictures, but they aren't really "stars" and will never be so.

To make a star, you almost need to be booked consistently strong from the start or else there is no advancing in today's world....

But then you can come in strong like Braun Strowman and AJ Styles and seem like "a star" for awhile, but then get pushed down and made to be "just another guy" to the point of Braun's eventual title run being "who cares" and then being released and AJ being like... "Oh yeah, he's still on the show"

Meanwhile over in AEW you have almost the opposite problem. Everyone is booked "too strongly". They want all their talent to come across as "amazing", where even the squash jobber matches are not just quick jobber matches, but where the jobber gets in a good amount of offense and it looks like a "battle" for the winner. Everyone becomes "just another guy" but in kind of an inverse way than WWE.

I lost what my point is.... I think it was that Big E will be fine in the long run, because it'll all just be "the same" anyways.

I may or may not also just be stirring the pot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is actually INTERESTING. Even if the obvious story is Brock winning the Rumble, retaining the WWE Title against Lashley and then headlining Mania against Roman, people aren’t actually sure and didn’t see this wrinkle in the story coming. Big E’s a fine talent, but a lot of people weren’t that into his run anyway. He’ll get more chances down the track.

This might just be objectively BETTER. For Raw, SmackDown, WrestleMania and even a guy like Big E long-term. But lolWWE, they just had to go and put the WWE Title on their biggest fucking star.

[Blonde Moment]

i think for big e to work better he needs to drop the whole New Day gimmick

[Ruien]

ROFL at Smeat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

i think for big e to work better he needs to drop the whole New Day gimmick

There definitely seems to be a crossroads with him. He doesn’t come off as a main eventer with the gimmick, but without the gimmick you’re taking a huge risk removing what people find charismatic in the first place. Honestly, he kind of reminds me of Rikishi in that sense.

He’ll get his opportunities. He’ll be a two-time Hall of Famer for them if he keeps his nose clean — tag team and singles. It just is what it is. As a main eventer you need to take more risks with him. His ultimate value may be as a mid-card act though. And look, when they need someone for the odd WWE Title run here or there, he isn’t offensive in the role (well, I do find the gimmick obnoxious).

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think he’s hurt way more by having a forced run that pales in comparison to what people can envision for the product. No one seems too upset this run has ended. Not because people don’t like him, but it just wasn’t firing on all cylinders.

[xrodmuc316]

Since when has losing to Brock Lesnar become a career killer? The way they did it to Kofi was bad, no doubt, and the complete lack of a followup story from Kofi made it worse.

Big E losing to Brock in a competitive match is not the same thing. I would have rather Brock pinned Seth, it gives E a better gripe for a rematch, and Seth's character would not suffer in the slightest, but it is what it is, they booked it for Lashley to look strong. Lashley is a better matchup for a babyface Lesnar, and he is a more marquee match since the two of them have never crossed paths before Day 1.

[Tom Guycott]

i think for big e to work better he needs to drop the whole New Day gimmick

There definitely seems to be a crossroads with him. He doesn’t come off as a main eventer with the gimmick, but without the gimmick you’re taking a huge risk removing what people find charismatic in the first place. Honestly, he kind of reminds me of Rikishi in that sense.

He’ll get his opportunities. He’ll be a two-time Hall of Famer for them if he keeps his nose clean — tag team and singles. It just is what it is. As a main eventer you need to take more risks with him. His ultimate value may be as a mid-card act though. And look, when they need someone for the odd WWE Title run here or there, he isn’t offensive in the role (well, I do find the gimmick obnoxious).

I know it isn't going to happen, but...

EVERYONE gets swerved when Reigns gets beaten by Big E... with a new assist from Heyman. When the time for the "Why?" promo shows up, we get reminded of the Talking Smack thing where Paul talks about him "finally showing his true potential" asks him the rhetorical question in relation to him and New Day: "When was the last time that anyone said anything about Roman Reigns where they even mentioned The Shield?"

Only problem with that, though, is that WWE would prob'ly be too eager to just make him act like Roman v.2 and have him turn heel instead of the bigger swerve of turning Paul Heyman face. He was in the ear of an unpredictable monster Brock, and a manipulative egomaniac in Reigns... have Big E be his redemption arc. The type of champion he wanted the others to be. Of course, everyone thinks he's just trying to sweet talk his way into Big E's good graces, and all signs and history point to this being true, because he's fucking Paul E. Dangerously, so everything he says and does will always look damning in one way or another. Let that be the new drama, where it looks like he's going to go back to one of the other choices, but does not.

But ultimately, it is Big E that saves the sinner, and that whole "is Heyman's career done?" ends with him savagely being attacked by Brock or something while protecting Etor or somesuch, and carted out one last time on a stretcher in a last act to prove he wasn't lying to him, and then we get a more serious, agressive Big E that is also a) still a babyface that doesn't need to just turn on his friends for zero reason while b) the whole paring with Paul E divorces him more from New Day even if just by osmosis.

[xrodmuc316]

Roman is the forever champion. He will retire still champ, probably when Vince sells to NBC in 2024.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Since when has losing to Brock Lesnar become a career killer? The way they did it to Kofi was bad, no doubt, and the complete lack of a followup story from Kofi made it worse.

Big E losing to Brock in a competitive match is not the same thing. I would have rather Brock pinned Seth, it gives E a better gripe for a rematch, and Seth's character would not suffer in the slightest, but it is what it is, they booked it for Lashley to look strong. Lashley is a better matchup for a babyface Lesnar, and he is a more marquee match since the two of them have never crossed paths before Day 1.

The lack of follow-up with Kofi was silly. Made it look like he didn’t even give a shit. If he doesn’t care, why should his fans? But I actually didn’t hate the way the “match” happened. Say what you want about Vince, but he protected the fuck out of the mystique of Brock wrestling bell-to-bell on TV. A loose cannon babyface Brock could be used to do that to boost ratings, but he hasn’t jumped the gun on it. We’re almost 10 years in.

And Brock, who largely put the 2020 Rumble together with Heyman (allegedly) interacted with Kofi Kingston in that match, who was out to prove something in that context. Brock remembered even if the WWE moved past it (because what are you really going to do with Brock vs. Kofi?).

I know it isn't going to happen, but...

EVERYONE gets swerved when Reigns gets beaten by Big E... with a new assist from Heyman. When the time for the "Why?" promo shows up, we get reminded of the Talking Smack thing where Paul talks about him "finally showing his true potential" asks him the rhetorical question in relation to him and New Day: "When was the last time that anyone said anything about Roman Reigns where they even mentioned The Shield?"

Only problem with that, though, is that WWE would prob'ly be too eager to just make him act like Roman v.2 and have him turn heel instead of the bigger swerve of turning Paul Heyman face. He was in the ear of an unpredictable monster Brock, and a manipulative egomaniac in Reigns... have Big E be his redemption arc. The type of champion he wanted the others to be. Of course, everyone thinks he's just trying to sweet talk his way into Big E's good graces, and all signs and history point to this being true, because he's fucking Paul E. Dangerously, so everything he says and does will always look damning in one way or another. Let that be the new drama, where it looks like he's going to go back to one of the other choices, but does not.

But ultimately, it is Big E that saves the sinner, and that whole "is Heyman's career done?" ends with him savagely being attacked by Brock or something while protecting Etor or somesuch, and carted out one last time on a stretcher in a last act to prove he wasn't lying to him, and then we get a more serious, agressive Big E that is also a) still a babyface that doesn't need to just turn on his friends for zero reason while b) the whole paring with Paul E divorces him more from New Day even if just by osmosis.

Interesting ideas there. I could go for something like that down the road. I think the Mania story is pretty set. A guy I actually had penciled in for a potential Heyman relationship down the line is Drew McIntyre. I don’t know when exactly, but Drew being a guy who walked through Lesnar without consequences (as of yet) has got potential for Heyman to try and milk — whether that be against Lesnar or just parallel to him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

When you look at Brock and Roman on paper, it is a HUGE match.

* By virtue of being on Peacock it is probably going to be the most watched Mania of all-time.

* When it comes to attendance, WrestleMania being a two-night stadium show is probably going to be the most attended WrestleMania ever.

* Not since Hogan and Savage at Mania V has a main event at WrestleMania featured two men who have held a World Title for over a year.

* Hogan and Savage had spent a total number of 1845 days as WWF Champion at that point in time. Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar have already spent 2120 days as champion.

* If Brock wins the Rumble, then there will be as many Royal Rumble victories between Brock and Roman as any other main event in WrestleMania history.

* Brock would be only the second man to have entered the Royal Rumble as WWE Champion and won.

* They’re the two men who have beaten The Undertaker at Mania.

* No other match has headlined WrestleMania 3 times.

On paper, you can make the kayfabe case that it is the greatest WrestleMania rivalry of all-time.

[Lock Jaw]

And off-paper?

[XL]

* 3rd time in 7 years that the match has headlined WrestleMania

* 6th time in 7 years the pairing has met 1-on-1 with a championship on the line

* BUT “First time ever babyface Brock takes on heel Roman!!” (You can’t really use that in the video package though).

[Emperor Smeat]

Not surprised Noid/Nerfect ended up having no balls in the end. Even with the few extra hours because I overslept a nap, he couldn't even give the decency to simply say no if he was that much of a chicken to put his stuff on the line.

The type of person who can dish it out but cowars when it comes to backing it up and just keeps acting like the same type of person he excuses others of being.

If it wasn't for the fact I'm very drowsy right now, this whole post would have been way more meaner in tone and insults. Only part I can remember is insulting him as the type of person who fingers their asshole and tickles their taint while listening to whenever the newest Cornette podcast episode gets released.

Instead I'll leave it at a simple picture of Big E after the match was over and you tell me that's not a person who got their spirit and dreams for Mania this year crushed because WWE's panic booking ended up being on the bad side this time. Also another instance of why its a waste having any real emotional investment or any attachment for whatever WWE does since way more often than not, the end result is very disappointing and more & more people start questioning why even bother.

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This whole thing has left me with a huge headache and my health going right back to shit from this failure of a min-run back here. See you all in a month or so or whatever I don't care.

[XL]

Which essentially makes it Rock/Austin, so yeah, “Greatest WrestleMania Rivalry Of All-time” pretty much.

[XL]

Smeat, fella, you’ve got to let this go.

It’s nonsense either way. It could be another version of Daniel Bryan where they play off their shit booking as the spark that lit the fuse to one of the best Mania moments/wins of all time.

Noid doesn’t look like a “coward” or a “wuss” for not taking the challenge, and for what it’s worth, I think a month off for you might do you some good.

[Emperor Smeat]

So its fine for him to act like an asshole whenever he wants.

Or this could just be like Kofi and his time as a top tier star fizzles out since its not like WWE doesn't have a track record of quickly tossing people to the side and denying them bigger heights of stardom. Bryan and Becky have been the only two notable people who managed to break out of that problem in recent years and in Bryan's case, its not like WWE didn't try to lessen the flame of his stardom multiple times afterwards.

This whole "wait and see" or "let it play out" approach has been busted in WWE for a long time and why WWE keeps lacking the big stars needed to push the company into a brighter future and not one where USA Network could decide one day that NASCAR is more important than RAW and start bumping it off Mondays during their season.

[XL]

It’s not not fine for Noid to be an asshole. Don’t get me wrong, the performative assholeness is tiresome, and not at all conducive to “good conversation”, but at this point we’re too far in for him to change tact. You’re fooling yourself if you don’t think there’s a part of him that loves the reaction; this is a guy who barely watches and thinks the forum is shit, yet comes here every day and shares more words than anyone else (no judgement there). You’re giving him exactly what he wants. It’s clearly having more impact on you than him. When I decided social media was causing me more anxiety than pleasure I closed my account. That was over 18 months ago and I a) can’t say I miss it and b) can’t say I feel worse for it. Just some friendly advice. It might feel like “letting him win” but what’s he actually won? More time on a shit forum?

As for the topic at hand, I 100% agree. I absolutely expect there to be no payoff. I absolutely expect there to be no “long term plan”. I absolutely expect it’s more of “same shit, different year”. However, there won’t be an objective outcome to the parameters that you’ve set for this bet. Noid won’t - nor should he really - the word of a “dirt sheet” and it’s so very easy to spin it any number of ways; Big E wasn’t working on top so they’ve changed direction if there’s nothing more for Big E, this was the plan all along if Big E ends up with another shot, or if not. We’ll never truly know. Same thing with the Kofi example; “Kofi was never going to be a star”. The Bryan example “he proved the company shouldn’t have bet on him as he immediately went down with an injury”. It’s all history that you’re able to revise and skew whichever way you want.

[drave]

The ignore feature is also a great tool.

[Ruien]

The ignore feature is also a great tool.

I just can't see myself using it. There is like 8 posters here. Ignoring one will eliminate a good chunk of the conversations.

[XL]

Think we’ve also been through that ordeal too.

[drave]

I just can't see myself using it. There is like 8 posters here. Ignoring one will eliminate a good chunk of the conversations.


Ignoring Nerfect, in this instance, would not hurt anyone at all. To each their own and all that.

[Lock Jaw]

Just chill on the whole bet thing, like I said. Think of it this way.... if you were saying "I don't believe that Steve is a credible source" and then someone made you a bet that hinged on what Steve says, even though you have made it quite clear that you don't trust Steve.... would you take that bet?

Anyways, just relax, take it easy, chill out... it all isn't worth the thought or stress. Put him on ignore if you want and stick around. The boards are better with you here.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And off-paper?

Well, the WWE obviously isn’t as hot, and the perception of Brock and Roman doesn’t really hold it up to Austin/Rock, etc. It falls down in television ratings around the show, merchandise sales, attendance outside Mania, etc.

I just can't see myself using it. There is like 8 posters here. Ignoring one will eliminate a good chunk of the conversations.

I’ve got a few people on ignore. Some have been for casual racism, others because they simply add no content. I regret absolutely no one.

I’m all for freedom of expression, letting people say what they want, etc. But I don’t have to listen to it. And I don’t have to bite my tongue in turn. I don’t give a shit if anyone ignores me, and don’t give a shit that I’ve ignored some people. It’s remarkable how many people say…nothing. They have nothing at all to add.

Just chill on the whole bet thing, like I said. Think of it this way.... if you were saying "I don't believe that Steve is a credible source" and then someone made you a bet that hinged on what Steve says, even though you have made it quite clear that you don't trust Steve.... would you take that bet?

Anyways, just relax, take it easy, chill out... it all isn't worth the thought or stress. Put him on ignore if you want and stick around. The boards are better with you here.

It’s childish. Some people don’t like gambling on the face of it. That shit can be an addiction. It’s a very immature way of trying to bully someone into censorship. You know — instead of making a point with actual evidence to back it up.

Imagine if I said “Hey, Smeat — next time you share an article or take on wrestling that is demonstrably false, you should be banned for sharing fake shit.” If he doesn’t, he’s a wuss, right? I do call out his fake shit, admittedly pretty savagelyc but it’s because it’s so obviously fake and if you think about it for more than 2 minutes you can discern between a news item worth sharing and complete trash. He can’t think outside that and it bothers him because I won’t just say “Attaboy, Smeat. Keep lying to people.” And he gets REALLY nasty when you don’t treat him like a saint for sharing wrestling’s version of junk science.

I’ve explained why I think this would be not only a reasonable move, but possibly even a measured one that makes sense given the overall direction of the company, even in light of these frustrating circumstances. He is having a meltdown talking about how Big E’s dreams have been crushed by this evil company that has paid him millions over the years and calling me a coward because you don’t even take sure bets when gambling with liars.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ll try and ease it up, because it is obvious there is discomfort there. I’m just frustrated by the false narratives when there are plenty of things to be real and critical about. I’ll try and aim it at the lack of credibility of the sources as opposed to people falling for them and sharing them. This is the issue with this stuff.

Sorry, Smeat. I can admit that my frustration has been misplaced with you. Thinking about it more clearly, I should be annoyed by the people who prey on credulity, as opposed to the ones being preyed on. I hope your health picks up, even if I couldn’t care less whether you post or not.

[Lock Jaw]

Now hug it out

[slik]

I’ll try and ease it up, because it is obvious there is discomfort there. I’m just frustrated by the false narratives when there are plenty of things to be real and critical about. I’ll try and aim it at the lack of credibility of the sources as opposed to people falling for them and sharing them. This is the issue with this stuff.

Sorry, Smeat. I can admit that my frustration has been misplaced with you. Thinking about it more clearly, I should be annoyed by the people who prey on credulity, as opposed to the ones being preyed on. I hope your health picks up, even if I couldn’t care less whether you post or not.

This is a good way to start 2022 on tpww

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