AEWxNJPW - Forbidden Door - PPV Discussion Thread

[Jordan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A dream come true for wrestling fans around the world, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWxNJPW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWxNJPW</a>’s First-Ever Joint PPV Event <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForbiddenDoor?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ForbiddenDoor</a> will be coming to you LIVE from the <a href="https://twitter.com/UnitedCenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UnitedCenter</a> in Chicago TOMORROW at 8p ET/5p PT! Available internationally on <a href="https://twitter.com/FiteTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FiteTV</a>! <a href="https://t.co/wxxCYEitFW">pic.twitter.com/wxxCYEitFW</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1540854857191415808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Interim AEW World Championship: Jon Moxley vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi
IWGP World Heavyweight Championship: Jay White (c) vs. "Hangman" Adam Page vs. Adam Cole vs. Kazuchika Okada
AEW Women's World Championship: Thunder Rosa (c) vs. Toni Storm
AEW All-Atlantic Championship: Miro vs. Pac vs. Malakai Black vs. Tomohiro Ishii
Winner Take All ROH & IWGP Tag Team Championships: FTR (c) vs. Jeff Cobb & Great-O-Khan (c) vs. Roppongi Vice
Will Ospreay vs. Orange Cassidy
Zack Sabre Jr. vs. Mystery Opponent of Bryan Danielson's Choosing
Chris Jericho, Sammy Guevara & Minoru Suzuki vs. Eddie Kingston, Wheeler Yuta & Shota Umino
The Young Bucks, El Phantasmo & Hikuleo vs. Sting, Darby Allin, Shingo Takagi & Hiromu Takahashi
Buy-In Match: Max Caster, Billy Gunn, Austin Gunn & Colten Gunn vs. Alex Coughlin, Yuya Uemura, The DKC & Kevin Knight

[Frank Drebin]

Christ @ all those multi man matches and Orange Cassidy on this card.

[Frank Drebin]

Drebin will be there tomorrow with ABT (rip) and Ron The Dial. We will have the scoop on the event that would make that MONSTER, Kenton Lane, want to quit his "journalism" career!

[Frank Drebin]

We will be in action in a 6-man mixed tag match vs Emi Sakura, Yuka Sakasaki and Riho.

[xrodmuc316]

Tony Khan is such a good booker, like SOOOOO good :rofl:

[Splaya]

Card had SOOOOOOOOOO much potential. But injuries and bad luck have ruined the potential of the card. Still has the chance to have 3-4 good matches. but the rest could be utter shit

[Jordan]

I think a lot of the success of the show, as a night of entertainment will rely on the NJPW guys to deliver. If the NJPW guys don't show out this will be a shit show. The AEW crew gonna slap they always b bussin fr fr. Mox gonna reign at the top of the wrestling world tonight.

[ClockShot]

Card had SOOOOOOOOOO much potential. But injuries and bad luck have ruined the potential of the card. Still has the chance to have 3-4 good matches. but the rest could be utter shit

This right here.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I’m just happy I’m getting Okada and that Adam Cole is likely gonna eat a pin

[DaveWadding]

Drebin will be there tomorrow with ABT (rip) and Ron The Dial. We will have the scoop on the event that would make that MONSTER, Kenton Lane, want to quit his "journalism" career!

This sounds like fun. Fuck all 3 of you. Respectfully.

[Frank Drebin]

I'm firmly in the WZRmy! What that MONSTER, Kenton Lane, did to Ryan Clark can never be forgiven.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is but the first step in a beautiful relationship that is going to change the world. AEW #1! NJPW also #1!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Triple A (the promotion not the poster, who is a nice fella) robbing us of Andrade vs Ospreay, no Punk, no Danielson, no Kenny, no Lucha Bros, no Naito, no Ibushi, no Ishii, no Takahashi, no Hookhausen (the biggest omission obviously) and many others. This show has worse luck than the Blue Blazer in Kansas City.

I’ll tell ya what man, with all the bad luck associated with this show, I’m seriously worried about getting roped into the bad luck myself by giving them my $49.99. So if anyone has any secret, illegal streams they’d like to send me in a rep or PM, together I think we can break this curse.

[Frank Drebin]

Could have paid to be in a 6 man tag match like Drebin. Could be worse.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Guys, CSRO is going to be Bryan Danielson’s guy and have a classic with ZSJ.

Mox vs. Tan is going to be a MOTY candidate.

The main event is going to be a MOTY candidate. And Okada might even win the World Title back!

You have FTR wrestling.

You have Shingo Takagi wrestling.

You have Minoru Suzuki wrestling.

This is going to be an all-time great card. It kind of makes me happy knowing expectations are low, because it’s going to smash them out of the park. ;)

[Mr. Nerfect]

How I would book the show:



* Alex Coughlin, Yuya Uemura, The DKC & Kevin Knight defeat Max Caster and The Gunn Club. Caster cuts a rap about being the only black guy here. The faces win to make NJPW Strong look good.

* Sting, Darby Allin, Shingo Takagi & Hiromu Takahashi defeat The Young Bucks, El Phatasmo & Hikuleo when Shingo pins one of The Bucks. Doesn’t need to go too long to be lots of fun.

* Fred Rosser gives an impromptu NJPW Strong Openweight Open Challenge in Pride Month because he’s a proud champion. Johnny Gargano answers. Doesn’t have to be too long to be a solid showing for the former Darren Young. He retains and gets an emotional moment afterwards.

* Chris Jericho, Sammy Guevara & Minoru Suzuki defeat Eddie Kingston, Wheeler Yuta & Shota Umino when Jericho pins Umino. Not too long, just something to keep the wheels greased in the story.

* The Empire win the three-way tag to become the new ROH Tag Team Champions as well as IWGP Tag Team Champions. The Bucks cost FTR to set up their third match for the AEW Tag Titles at Blood & Guts, joining JAS vs. BCC and Christian Cage vs. Jungle Boy on the card.

* Clark Connors wins the Four-Way to become the inaugural AEW All-Atlantic Champion. I feel he stands the most to gain. It’d be fine to have the New Japan guy get it too and useful to profile him for them, since a lot of people don’t know him.

* Will Ospreay defeats Orange Cassidy to retain the US Title. But he struggles. This puts over Cassidy huge. The Empire beats down Cassidy after the match, but the Best Friends & Rocky Romero run out for the save…but Chuck Taylor turns on them by hitting Trent with a steel chair! He and Kris Statlander join The United Empire! Eventually Fred Rosser, Alex Coughlin, Kevin Knight, The DKC, Fred Yehi, Alex Koslov and Shibata run out to chase them off.

* Toni Storm defeats Thunder Rosa to become the new AEW Women’s Champion. Juice Robinson trips Rosa up and helps his fiancée win. She cuts a promo after the match saying she’s got the best ass in wrestling, and you can call him “Juice.”

* Bryan Danielson introduces Zack Sabre, Jr.‘s opponent — Claudio Castagboli! He comes out to Sledge Hammer for one night at least. He and ZSJ have a technical masterpiece. Claudio eventually wins with the head stomp and Gotch-Style…Piledriver! A message to Minoru Suzuki?

* Hiroshi Tanahashi defeats Jon Moxley with three High Fly Flows in a row. He’s the Interim AEW World Champion after a hard-fought match.

* Kazuchika Okada wins back the IWGP World Title in the main event. Everyone thinks Cole is there to eat a pin. Swerve! Jay White eats the pin after a Rainmaker. Cole walks out dejected, but Adam Page shakes Okada’s hand. Okada celebrates in the ring when Kenny Omega’s New Japan theme hits. He stands in the ring to stare down Okada to end the PPV.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That would be a fun card, Mr. Nerfect.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Especially the part about Toni’s butt

[fundiddle]

Triple A (the promotion not the poster, who is a nice fella) robbing us of Andrade vs Ospreay, no Punk, no Danielson, no Kenny, no Lucha Bros, no Naito, no Ibushi, no Ishii, no Takahashi, no Hookhausen (the biggest omission obviously) and many others. This show has worse luck than the Blue Blazer in Kansas City.
that joke fell flat faster than owen

[weather vane]

come on guys

[Wehttam]

cum on guys

[Frank Drebin]

Fignuts will essplode if Toni Storm so much as talks about her ass.

[Frank Drebin]

Excited to see certain guys live for the first time tonight.

[Frank Drebin]

After all the injuries I seriously would have considered dumping my tix if they didn't pull Okada out of their ass tho

[fundiddle]

this show has the worst promotion of a joint branded ppv i have ever seen, albeit there really haven't been any in the united states since before i started watching wrestling in '96. that speaks volumes about the current state of the overall product of professional wrestling and the level of hype that exists solely in the minds of those that dwell in the echo chambers. there is truly something to be said about catering to your existing fan base, when even a lot of them hoped for a little bit more of a compelling backstory for these outsiders from japan. there is little to no story to any of this shit aside from the main event, which is a fourway for a foreign title for garsh sakes

[Frank Drebin]

I'll give them these two things:

1) injuries suck and sometimes you get stung and have to make the best of a bad situation.

2) There are probably only so many dates they could have done a show like this. While ideally this would have had more of a build and not be coming on the heels of each company's ppv I get why they felt the need to pull the trigger not knowing when the window for a show like this might open again. The better show might wind up being the next one in Japan if thats the route they go.

[fundiddle]

it just sucks that the only way to introduce big participants on a card like this is to have them show up unannounced on american television. otherwise, you could actually rely on video packages in their absence leading to an appearance before the main show. not really possible to do that when you've conditioned your fans to just expect surprises every week

[Jordan]

Is Kevin Kelly going to commentate the PPV? What about JR? Anyone know? I want JR and Kevin Kelly. I'd love to have Schiavonie too.

[Jordan]

A DECENT STREAM (https://watchwrestling.ai/)

Just click play on the video player and exit out of the pop ups that come, there isn't that many.

[Jordan]

Archer and Commrado was SWOLE. Just two SWOLE dudes doing moves better suited to smaller guys!

[Jordan]

The black guys would fucking smash these Japanese dudes gimmie a break.

[slik]

will lol if keith lee gets pinned

[slik]

and keith lee did not get pinned

wonder if fans in japan are watching this

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hire Kevin Kelly

[Dukelorange]

Can I get a link? The one I got is no good.

[Jordan]

I put one up there dog.

[slik]

Taz, Excalibur and Kevin Kelly work really well together

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Taz, Excalibur, and Kevin Kelly is a fantastic booth. Great way to start

[Jordan]

I enjoy the nostalgia of Kevin Kelly and JR. And I can always have some Schiavone. I wonder who is calling the show!

[Dukelorange]

I put one up there dog.

Thank you sir.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If this was my show, I’d put a big fat door in the middle of the stage and every wrestler who walks out has to stop and point at it and get emotional. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForbiddenDoor?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ForbiddenDoor</a></p>&mdash; RJ City (@RJCity1) <a href="https://twitter.com/RJCity1/status/1541214724658024450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

This 6 Man turned out to be really good! Great spots, the young guys are awesome!

[Jordan]

Can't believe Jericho let Shooter hit that top rope powerslam!

[Jordan]

It's 8:30 has this match been that long!?

[slik]

looking at latest tweets for #forbiddendoor and it would indeed seem a lot of fans in Japan are watching/tweeting about the show

[Supreme Olajuwon]

FTR getting that special attraction pop in AEW!

[slik]

dax taken to the back

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dax Harwood was just walked to the back by medics after being checked on ringside during the triple threat tag match. Am being told it looked like a shoulder injury.<br><br>- <a href="https://twitter.com/Nick_Hausman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Nick_Hausman</a> <a href="https://t.co/LI8qm17SYh">pic.twitter.com/LI8qm17SYh</a></p>&mdash; WrestlingINC.com (@WrestlingInc) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingInc/status/1541219063241867264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

Dax back with heavily taped shoulder

[slik]

let's go Miro (or Pac)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Welp so far this shitty show with no build kinda rules.

[slik]

Malakai, nice

[Jordan]

I was hoping for Malakai, but can't be upset about Pac!

[slik]

PAC is overdue a singles title so works for me, best match so far

[DaveWadding]

Poor Shingo playing 3rd fiddle to Darby and 75 year old Sting

[slik]

Going to be hard to top STING for best entrance of the night

[Supreme Olajuwon]

El Phantasmo Jackson fitting in seamlessly with his brothers the Young Bucks

[Jordan]

HE ABSORB THE SUPER KICK!

[Jordan]

Amazing stuff here I mean come the fuck on!

[slik]

That was a blast

[slik]

I had zero expectations for this show and it has been an absolute blast so far, really really fun

[Jordan]

The way they have worked with Sting has exceeded all possible expectations. And The Bucks are legends, and Phantasmo & Takada are all stars. No way that match is better with Hikelo!

[Jordan]

He's a fucking Wizard!

[Jordan]

Thankful that the women's match is over I really couldn't give a shit about it!

[slik]

not going to lie OC vs Ospreay is one of the things I'm most looking forward to

[Jordan]

Happy to have Jr join the show! JR and Kevin Kelly reminds me of my childhood!

[Jordan]

not going to lie OC vs Ospreay is one of the things I'm most looking forward to

Gonna be great!

[slik]

Match of the night so far, Ospreay and OC was great

[Jordan]

A little OTT for me!

[slik]

Shibata has CENA NUFF

[Jordan]

SHIBATA

[BigCrippyZ]

That match was simply amazing.

[DaveWadding]

SHIBATA

[Jordan]

See when they have the actual Japanese stars on the show it feels really cool. All the white guys are great and all but it just feels too white.

[Jordan]

My money on Cesaro! If it's Gargano... I mean that's not bad but damn right? If it's Gresham then.... nah nah nah right?

[Jordan]

It could end up being Bray6

[Jordan]

No More BS Paul Wight?

[Jordan]

Claudio! Sick music!

[slik]

Claudio SUPER OVER

[xrodmuc316]

OMG GAME CHANGER!! CANNOT BELIEVE TONY WAS ABLE TO SIGN A WWE STAR!!!

[Jordan]

OMG GAME CHANGER!! CANNOT BELIEVE TONY WAS ABLE TO SIGN A WWE STAR!!!

Actually he was Claudio first in ROH and a huge star there so he's really just returning home in a weird way! Haha

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ZSJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ZSJ</a>'s opponent is none other than Claudio Castagnoli <a href="https://twitter.com/ClaudioCSRO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ClaudioCSRO</a>, the newest member of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlackpoolCombatClub?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BlackpoolCombatClub</a>, here at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForbiddenDoor?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ForbiddenDoor</a>! Order the PPV right now! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWxNJPW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWxNJPW</a> <a href="https://t.co/uZdC9x5eFG">pic.twitter.com/uZdC9x5eFG</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1541245396986601472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

WOW that power spot carrying Sabre up the step was awesome.

[Destor]

ive always loved the World's Most Money Makingest Man

[slik]

ZSJ no match for Claudio on this night

[Jordan]

Great fucking match. Claudio is gonna be great in AEW.

[slik]

What Claudio needs is to turn heel and align himself with his advocate Paul Wight

[Destor]

as someone who never adapted to his (shit) fed name im glad Claudio is back in style

[slik]

This has been the best AEW ppv in a while which is sort of hilarious since it's the least interested I was in a show beforehand

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/AdamColePro?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@adamcolepro</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/JayWhiteNZ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JayWhiteNZ</a> with a delayed double vertical suplex on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hangman?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Hangman</a>! Order the PPV right now! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWxNJPW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWxNJPW</a> <a href="https://t.co/ReonTEI5bu">pic.twitter.com/ReonTEI5bu</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1541253797200142336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

was kind of an odd ending to that match

[slik]

how did adam cole get injured

[Jordan]

how did adam cole get injured

Not sure

[Jordan]

Seems like Cole went down off screen like collapsed or something and White saw it and decided to end the match.

[Jordan]

Well I hope Cole isn't going to get added to the injury list. Very hyped for Mox (who is my favorite wrestler) vs Tanahashi!

[slik]

summer of injuries has been brutal in wrestling this year

[Destor]

how did adam cole get injuredprobably by not doing anything fitness related ever

[Sepholio]

^he's not wrong

[slik]

Seems like he went down after Okada did a Falcon Arrow on him

[slik]

Is Tanahashi injured too...damn

[slik]

no, just a good seller

[slik]

wait how did mox get busted open

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Security taking a guy out, got violent, crowd distracted at Forbidden Door <a href="https://t.co/b1Rkih7xL4">pic.twitter.com/b1Rkih7xL4</a></p>&mdash; Kota Ibushi Is The Face, Kikuchi Is The Heel (@prowrestlingvi1) <a href="https://twitter.com/prowrestlingvi1/status/1541261908057235458?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

Mox is bleeding, AEW style, yes!

[Jordan]

Great main event. Mox is the best but wow how crazy over was Tanahashi as a babyface?

[slik]

Claudio had CENA NUFF of JAS 'irl' cyber-bullying his best friend Jon Moxley

[xrodmuc316]

All Tony knows how to book is debuts and after match donnybrooks.

Rinse and Repeat.

That said, AEW is so much better without CM Turd.

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow. Wildly disappointing show.

[James Steele]

Great matches, but the ending was a popcorn fart.

[Fignuts]

Share the consensus with everyone here that it was a much more enjoyable show than I thought it would be. Crowd helped with that. They were super hot, start to finish.

That said, still glad I didn't pay for it.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome to the team, <a href="https://twitter.com/ClaudioCSRO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ClaudioCSRO</a>!<br><br>Claudio Castagnoli is ALL ELITE!<br><br>See you this Wednesday Night for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BloodAndGuts?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BloodAndGuts</a>!<br><br>Thank you to everyone all around the world who watched <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForbiddenDoor?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ForbiddenDoor</a> tonight! <a href="https://t.co/dlzNwOwdoH">pic.twitter.com/dlzNwOwdoH</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1541271374337024006?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Begging wrestling fans to have some goddamn sense <a href="https://t.co/Qb6uDQTONj">pic.twitter.com/Qb6uDQTONj</a></p>&mdash; Cherilyn (@cherdelaware) <a href="https://twitter.com/cherdelaware/status/1541263923982352386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Triple A]

Good show........

My fav matches...

1. Zack Sabre Jr. vs. Claudio - loved it
2. Ospreay vs. Orange Cassidy
3. Young Bucks match... Phantasmo seems very good... funny

[Triple A]

Damn @ fucked up finish in Adam Cole match...

[Fignuts]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Begging wrestling fans to have some goddamn sense <a href="https://t.co/Qb6uDQTONj">pic.twitter.com/Qb6uDQTONj</a></p>&mdash; Cherilyn (@cherdelaware) <a href="https://twitter.com/cherdelaware/status/1541263923982352386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So I guess Drebin won't be posting for a while.

[Triple A]

WOW that power spot carrying Sabre up the step was awesome.

Was worried he tore his bicep or something doing that cause he was selling it for the rest of the match and his arm seemed "limp" afterwards... but he looked ok at the end of the show so that's good!

Glad they signed him now, his match was so good

[Frank Drebin]

So I guess Drebin won't be posting for a while.

I'll do anything for Ron the Dials sister. Let it be known.

[Frank Drebin]

3 pages. Yikes.

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adam Cole’s injury believed to be a concussion, wishing all the best to him.</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1541291702517870592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/uxORRbuRHB">pic.twitter.com/uxORRbuRHB</a></p>&mdash; The Man (@BeckyLynchWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/BeckyLynchWWE/status/1541250980666286082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[weather vane]

AEW is so rad. Awesome show. Especially considering all the injuries.

[screech]

Don't know who most of the New Japan guys are but enjoyed the show v much

[Jordan]

Shota Umino sure grew up huh? Dude looks and works like the a next generation hybrid Naito and Tanahashi.

[Jordan]

My thoughts on the PPV...

Claudio/Sabre was my favorite. Claudio will be awesome in AEW and of course would be great for NJPW if he gets to work there. There is literally no match I can think of in AEW that Claudio wouldn't be good in, save some that would be WWE retreads.

I'm not sure how long Punk will be out, when Omega comes back... or Danielson but it would seem that if they build Claudio right that he could main event All Out against Moxley.

Mox and Tanahashi was also my match of the night. Great main event and a much better wrestled match than any on the show other than Cladio/Sabre. The heat from the fans was awesome, Tanahashi proved to be one of the all time greatest baby faces by having The United Center in the palm of his hand and somehow making the beloved Mox get heel heat. Great fucking match. Mox is the man.

Also gotta give it up for the opening 6-Man, Jericho and Suzuki orchestrated a great match utlilzing the younger guys really well. Sammy and Wheeler are awesome together and Umino is an obvious future mega star for NJPW.

The six man with The Bullet Club vs The Dudes with Attitudes was just incredible. So much fun, nothing like The Young Bucks you guys. Sting was absolutely iconic, somehow exceeding any expectations that you could ever have, time after time. The way Sting is handled in AEW has been really really good. Just when you think the relevance is down or the nostalgia has run its course he will have a match and do a few spots that absolutely blow your mind and then he is still capable of doing enough moves and selling to still have a really good match. El Phantasmo moving to heavyweight is great because that dude is special, and Shingo is so good, so good.

With AEW being so overcrowded I really hope they will lend some good talent to NJPW in the coming months, they need a boost there, and a lot of the WWE guys like Danielson wanted to be able to work in NJPW, so lets make it happen.

[drave]

Never saw Claudio pre-wwe - so I'm also excited at his possibilities. Always was a Cesaro mark

[Jordan]

I gotta say that this show did boost my interest in NJPW. It showed me some of the guys they've been working on since I stopped watching (when AEW started essentially) like El Phantasmo, Takagi, Umino, NJPW Jungle Boy Clark Conners and it showed how Zack Sabre has really moved into a heavyweight star no doubts and sort of reestablished Jay White as a legit NJPW Champion.

It was effective for NJPW in a big way I expect. A small boost for their TV shows or NJPWorld is a big boost for them I'd say. And I think this show likely hooked some people who watch AEW but haven't been into NJPW for a while.

[Jordan]

There is something about Miro that just doesn't break through for me. He may have had some good matches in AEW but I really can't remember any to name right now. He is capable of doing the moves yes, he can do a character and talk and work the crowd really well... but there is something else in-between that isn't there for me.

Certainly part of it is his soft offense. He pulls his shots kind of like The Miz does in a way that doesn't feel threatening. He never learned how to "hit hard in safe places" like some of the Japanese guys like Suzuki or Ishii do, or like how Finlay and Regal, Danielson and Moxley do. They are able to really lay it in , in a way that makes you really think that it's kind of real, but you know they are actually taking care of each other at the same time right? Because they are the best.

But Miro isn't on that level. So he does these big strikes that have the build up and all this powerful menacing motion but he lands so soft like a John Cena punch or a Miz kick... it just ruins it.

And if you watch him closely I'm not sure he's really capable of "carrying a match". I don't think he really calls spots like most heels do. I really just think he's not on the level he presents himself and that a lot of people perceive him to be.

I read that he originally took a smaller contract for a year and a half in AEW with the understanding his 2nd contract would be much bigger. And that all worked out for him now he's getting a main event level contract. And I think he can possibly be worth that kind of contract he just needs to be booked and managed much more specifically. His move set is kind of just wrong for his ability and he should totally change to a more "Vader" style and be booked as a brutal bull who can just run through anyone. It's really the only way I can see him being worth a main event level contract.

[xrodmuc316]

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[Frank Drebin]

I'm veering fast into not being a Mox fan. He has his place on the roster and I'm fine with that but I don't see alot to like there. If the blood was intentional....why? Can we not have a Mox match with blood like this is an indy-riffic GCW show? There is literally a show called Blood and Guts this Wednesday. We don't need blood on this show.. Cornette is gonna have a field day with this shit.

Also hated his promo to the crowd after. "You are lucky to have been here to see this" LOL fuck off. Who are you fooling? I get what he was saying and maybe it came out wrong but you can't turn your nose up at your paying customers saying "you should be grateful, we're doing this for your benefit" Whatever.

Show went as expected. It was good. Could have been great. Not much else to say I haven't already said.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On Miro: What I liked about him in WWE was that he wasn’t like every other indy wrestler. He would win with one finisher, but would also go down with one too. There was a charisma in that act. He then got the cloak of “fed bad” apologetics for his own shortcomings. He was stupid enough to change his image. Then he left, did the video game thing. I’m not saying he doesn’t have talent. But his strength is in how he is used and in him not fucking up.

On Mox: He jumped the shark for me in 2016. When Brock big-dogged him for being a little shit, his value kind of became apparent. He lost a spark and then got outdone for the rest of his run. Now he’s going down this path of being some faux-beacon of a wrestling I’m not anywhere near nostalgic for.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Doesn’t sound like I missed much. I don’t care about Moxley, The BCC, new championships and now, sadly, Cesaro and New Japan. More desperate drops in a leaky bucket.

[Danny Electric]

😂

[Mr. Nerfect]

I gotta say that this show did boost my interest in NJPW. It showed me some of the guys they've been working on since I stopped watching (when AEW started essentially) like El Phantasmo, Takagi, Umino, NJPW Jungle Boy Clark Conners and it showed how Zack Sabre has really moved into a heavyweight star no doubts and sort of reestablished Jay White as a legit NJPW Champion.

It was effective for NJPW in a big way I expect. A small boost for their TV shows or NJPWorld is a big boost for them I'd say. And I think this show likely hooked some people who watch AEW but haven't been into NJPW for a while.

We’ll see about that. It could hurt them too. It can be a problem when people feel they’ll get the best of New Japan on AEW television.

[XL]

Guys, CSRO is going to be Bryan Danielson’s guy and have a classic with ZSJ.

Mox vs. Tan is going to be a MOTY candidate.

The main event is going to be a MOTY candidate. And Okada might even win the World Title back!

You have FTR wrestling.

You have Shingo Takagi wrestling.

You have Minoru Suzuki wrestling.

This is going to be an all-time great card. It kind of makes me happy knowing expectations are low, because it’s going to smash them out of the park. ;)

I know you were going for facetious here but ended up being kinda prophetic.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I know you were going for facetious here but ended up being kinda prophetic.

I knew that stuff would happen, but also knew it would fall short of leaving any sort of impact, so I guess that is where the facetiousness comes in.

TK is bragging about $5 mil in revenue like that is supposed to be odd for a $50 PPV. That’s 100k domestic buys. In the US. In 2022. Yikes.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Finally finished this last night. Overall a great show and perfect length. Some takeaways…

Shota Umino looked great. He’s prob going to be a star in New Japan. Given the fireball segment I wonder if he’s going to be on loan to AEW for a while to get more experience. Wouldn’t mind it as I wanna see more of him.

Miro is damn beast. Booked perfectly in that 4 way match. And made to look unstoppable. Glad PAC gets some much deserved gold, but that match did more for Miro than anybody.

The 3 way tag match was stellar. FTR came off like stars, Cobb is excellent, and the right team won. Hopefully this is just building to FTR going a hold of the AEW tag belts and owning 4 world tag titles simultaneously.

Claudio looked great. Got a huge reaction, and prob had my favorite match of the night. No flippy shit high paced high spots. Just rasslin baby. He’ll be good fit in BCC where he won’t be the main mouthpiece and can just be the muscle of the group.

The 4 way for the IWGP world title was ok. Adam Cole didn’t need to be there, but I’m guessing his job was to eat the pin. Saw later he was concussed and that explains the wtf ending. Okada treated like a huge star.

Mox v Tana was good, and Tana is a great babyface. Had zero doubts he was losing but the crowd was completely behind him by the end.

For such a shitty build, the in ring from this show absolutely delivered and now there’s a few stories coming out of it to look forward to going into Dynamite tomorrow.

[slik]

hope Sanada is on the next one whenever that is

[xrodmuc316]

I knew that stuff would happen, but also knew it would fall short of leaving any sort of impact, so I guess that is where the facetiousness comes in.

TK is bragging about $5 mil in revenue like that is supposed to be odd for a $50 PPV. That’s 100k domestic buys. In the US. In 2022. Yikes.

That would I believe be the 4th decrease in PPV Buys in a row.

Also a solid 50% decrease since September. Tony booked away half of his paying audience in record time!

Somebody get Shad's checkbook, quick!

[Damian Rey 2.0]

hope Sanada is on the next one whenever that is

Ideally next year we get Omega v Ospreay and a singles Okada match. I would watch him v Hangman.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That would I believe be the 4th decrease in PPV Buys in a row.

Also a solid 50% decrease since September. Tony booked away half of his paying audience in record time!

Somebody get Shad's checkbook, quick!

They make a rod for their own backs when they proclaim transparency but then engage in the same sort of shifty tactics with numbers as WWE.