Standing and waiting to be chopped

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Why in the fuck is this a thing? Worst of all, why is Brian Danielson of all people the worst offender? Fuck--I remember everyone raving about his match with Suzuki, but it was 10 minutes of them staring at each other and laying in cooperative chops. I had to turn the damned thing off.

Maybe every once in a while it'd make sense to wait to be chopped like a game of chicken. But every match? Honestly, what the hell?

What bothers me most is that it's a matter of treating it like a contested back and forth instead of standing and waiting. For instance, Sheamus vs Gunther did it right in their match.

Is there any way to stop this bullshit? Or is this wrestling now?

[screech]

AEW just had another match like this recently. Eddie Kingston and someone. It was kinda "hey we're gonna chop the fuck out of each other" but also it looked *too* forced.

[screech]

lol it made me think of Ken Shamrock standing there and saying "slap me" while the camera was right on his face

[drave]

Wrestling's not real. Even Bret Shart will tell you.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Wrestling's not real. Even Bret Shart will tell you.

Another sterling contribution to the conversation, Drave.

[Evil Vito]

From a storyline perspective, I don't think it's too unrealistic for two guys fighting to get into a pissing contest about who could cave the other into oblivion with their chops first. It's a machismo thing.

The crowd seems to always get into it, it's a reliably easy way to engage the crowd. But when I see it happening multiple times on the same shows it shows there's zero communication between any of the talent or agents. Spots like that really shouldn't be done more than once per night.

[Evil Vito]

Time to start the competitive slapping division.

https://video-images.vice.com/articles/5c939d5d2709700007238d39/lede/1553178006531-54222299_2219532254976982_7557531415907139584_o.jpeg

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

From a storyline perspective, I don't think it's too unrealistic for two guys fighting to get into a pissing contest about who could cave the other into oblivion with their chops first. It's a machismo thing.

The crowd seems to always get into it, it's a reliably easy way to engage the crowd. But when I see it happening multiple times on the same shows it shows there's zero communication between any of the talent or agents. Spots like that really shouldn't be done more than once per night.

Once in a while instead of once per night could work better. The machismo thing only holds so much weight because you’re trying to win matches. Seeing that happen all the time distracts from that.

Also, fans love chanting What, so I don’t always base my judgement of what’s good on their approval, especially given AEW’s niche base.

[drave]

Does machismo still come in a can?

[drave]

Another sterling contribution to the conversation, Drave.




Thanks, I like shiny stars.

[drave]

What was annoying? Wrestling's not real, or Bret Shart?

[Lock Jaw]

*Lock Jaw enters the thread and stands waiting*

[Jordan]

So much of what pro wrestling does these days is incredibly terrible and stupid.

[drave]

*Lock Jaw enters the thread and stands waiting*




CHOP

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What was annoying? Wrestling's not real, or Bret Shart?

Just calm down, Drave. We can have good conversations without you continually flexing your dick. You've capable of it.

[drave]

And you are just as capable as still holding the same convos. Stop being a crybitch.


I just chopped Lock Jaw, now get outta the men's way while we flex our dicks.

[Lock Jaw]

*Chops drave*

[Evil Vito]

Also, fans love chanting What, so I don’t always base my judgement of what’s good on their approval, especially given AEW’s niche base.

Very fair, but I also think from a performer's standpoint, they want to do what is going to appease the audience they have.

[drave]

*Chops drave*




WOOOOOO!!!!!!




k, let's wait for a bit before round 2! see ya after we reach power level 9001.:wave:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thank you! Danielson is one of my all-time favorites and I’ve enjoyed Suzuki in the past, but Danielson/Suzuki was woefully bad. I also had to turn it off. It just plays like bad comedy. There was a spot where they were trading blows and Danielson was like “hit me bro” and Suzuki did and he went down like a sack of potatoes.

I don’t think it comes off as “tough” as they think it does. Looks kind of desperate and misanthropic. The goal is to win, and I think a real bad-ass would be more weary of what a lucky blow can do to you, so wouldn’t be courting that fate.

It’s definitely what wrestling is now.

[Sepholio]

From a storyline perspective, I don't think it's too unrealistic for two guys fighting to get into a pissing contest about who could cave the other into oblivion with their chops first. It's a machismo thing.

The crowd seems to always get into it, it's a reliably easy way to engage the crowd. But when I see it happening multiple times on the same shows it shows there's zero communication between any of the talent or agents. Spots like that really shouldn't be done more than once per night.

Say what? Have you ever seen a fight where anyone decided to have a chop off in the middle? Yeah, nobody else has either. And if it has happened you can guarantee at least one of the participants was black out wasted and didn't know what was going on.

I love you but saying the stand and chop dance isn't unrealistic is pretty comical bro.

[Sepholio]

Well, other than those stupid Russian things where they hold on to an arm wrestling table and slap each other silly. But thats not really a fight.

[Sepholio]

Imagining Vito getting in a fight in a high school and hitting the bully with knife edge chops and then puffing his chest up and standing there waiting for the guy to chop him back.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

My friends and I used to do that shit. We weren't fighting, though. Just virgins.

[Sepholio]

Dale and a bunch of guys enter the B hall restroom. The other students are soon mystified by the cacophony of WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs coming from inside.

[#1-norm-fan]

Say what? Have you ever seen a fight where anyone decided to have a chop off in the middle? Yeah, nobody else has either. And if it has happened you can guarantee at least one of the participants was black out wasted and didn't know what was going on.

All the more reason we need drugs back in wrestling.

“Why are these two guys standing and letting each other chop them? This is fake and stupid.”

“They’re both on cocaine, meth, heroine, weed, Jack Daniels, Adderall, ecstasy, OxyContin, bath salts, Tide pods and Mountain Dew.”

“Oh. This is now real and awesome.”

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Dale and a bunch of guys enter the B hall restroom. The other students are soon mystified by the cacophony of WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs coming from inside.

They were even more confused when they came in and our chests were bruised and our nipples were hard as rocks.

[xrodmuc316]

What about Wheels and Garcia slapping each other on the sides of their necks? That one is my favorite! Good thing they have done it everytime they fight.

https://c.tenor.com/KZ2fuX0CjBEAAAAd/daniel-garcia-wheeler-yuta.gif

[drave]

This is the chopped thread, not the neck slap thread. Make a thread for that one please. We need more threads.

[Evil Vito]

Say what? Have you ever seen a fight where anyone decided to have a chop off in the middle? Yeah, nobody else has either. And if it has happened you can guarantee at least one of the participants was black out wasted and didn't know what was going on.

I love you but saying the stand and chop dance isn't unrealistic is pretty comical bro.

Maybe I phrased it poorly. Not something you'd do in an IRL fight but if I'm pretending wrestling is a real sport filled with a bunch of cocky pricks who want to show who's the toughest, I could see where stuff like this happens.

Of course if the end goal is just "win the fucking match" it makes no sense, but that's 90% of wrestling at this point.

[Evil Vito]

Imagining Vito getting in a fight in a high school and hitting the bully with knife edge chops and then puffing his chest up and standing there waiting for the guy to chop him back.

Nah, I irish whipped him into the wall so he'd bounce back for my running clothesline. Didn't realize a window was there.

Fucker jumped through the window to escape. That coward.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What about Wheels and Garcia slapping each other on the sides of their necks? That one is my favorite! Good thing they have done it everytime they fight.

https://c.tenor.com/KZ2fuX0CjBEAAAAd/daniel-garcia-wheeler-yuta.gif

Holy shit, lol.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm so happy I didn't watch that match. I bet the fans were chanting "FIGHT FOREVER" during that particular game of patty-cake.

[Triple A]

Agreed @ Dale Newstead

[Mr. Nerfect]

What about Wheels and Garcia slapping each other on the sides of their necks? That one is my favorite! Good thing they have done it everytime they fight.

https://c.tenor.com/KZ2fuX0CjBEAAAAd/daniel-garcia-wheeler-yuta.gif

This is comedy. How can you not laugh at it?

That the crowd is getting up for it is exactly why you shouldn’t play for the audience in the room. More so than ever they’re a faulty gauge as to what actually has appeal.

[drave]

WOOOOOO!!!!!!




k, let's wait for a bit before round 2! see ya after we reach power level 9001.:wave:






CHOP

[Mr. Nerfect]

That referee being there makes it even funnier. If Audrey Edwards was there, can you imagine her reacting to every slap? Too much.

[Mr. Nerfect]

http://c.tenor.com/IoUx4f4cCFMAAAAd/crazy-homer-simpson.gif

[Destor]

The question is was it earned. We've seen this in profights so its not like its something that doesnt occur in combat sports. The audience needs to believe its a pissing contest between two guys who are getting extra heated and buy into it. If the do its all good. If its a random spot you do every night on free tv its shit.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The question is was it earned. We've seen this in profights so its not like its something that doesnt occur in combat sports. The audience needs to believe its a pissing contest between two guys who are getting extra heated and buy into it. If the do its all good. If its a random spot you do every night on free tv its shit.

That’s kinda what I was getting at with the game of chicken. But it really has to be special and earned—and I’ve yet to see it earned, even by Danielson.

[Destor]

Id also buy it for a comeback/hope spot. 20 min in. Double down. Feed up into tired sluggish strikes. Both guys start to rally through the exhaustion. Etc

[Destor]

But you can be out there doing that after 7 min or whatever

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Even in ufc, the stand and trade isn’t so contrived. Yes there’s an agreement to wing punches, but—other than on maybe very rare occurrences—is one guy waiting for the other guy to punch him with his chin out. It’s just throwing caution to the wind where they are going back and forth. I can recall a brawl or two where there’s a “bring it” moment, but that ends after one punch lands because they don’t want to get smashed clean in the jaw anymore.

[Destor]

Even in ufc, the stand and trade isn’t so contrived. Yes there’s an agreement to wing punches, but—other than on maybe very rare occurrences—is one guy waiting for the other guy to punch him with his chin out. It’s just throwing caution to the wind where they are going back and forth. I can recall a brawl or two where there’s a “bring it” moment, but that ends after one punch lands because they don’t want to get smashed clean in the jaw anymore.Don Frye never got this memo

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Don Frye never got this memo

Even Frye and Takayama were staying in the pocket with the intent to finish the fight. They were furiously trading licks trying to knock the other guy out. They weren’t hitting a still target only to become a still targe themselves and wait to get it.

[Destor]

They were definitely still targets. Absolutely 0 head movement. But its basically just those 2 that ever did something THAT crazy.



https://youtu.be/k1iHdAQTPPY

[Destor]

But you're right about the MURDEROUS INTENT

[Destor]

Never fails to make me smile.

[Destor]

Tbf that spot is heavily inspired by the frye bout in a lot of ways

[Destor]

So good though. There's a million things they couldve done but they chose to ignore all of them and just become mindless murder hobos.

[Vastardikai]

I remember one of the things Shibata did that I can still like (I used to like the stiff headbutts until he ended his career with them) is he would take an Indy kick, get pissed off, then start work back to his feet, daring his opponent to kick him. When he got back to his feet, one more dare. He'd catch the leg and knock the piss out of them.

Also, the best pissing match is Ishii and Makabe, just lariating each other like god damned Rams.

As for actual chop wars, it was only done well one time...

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[Destor]

The noise when sasaki sold to the corner is everything. Its so over

[Destor]

I believe every second of that

[Destor]

Two men trapped by their egos into something they cant escape. Its gold

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

They were definitely still targets. Absolutely 0 head movement. But its basically just those 2 that ever did something THAT crazy.



https://youtu.be/k1iHdAQTPPY

Takayama and Frye are still whirling dervishes. They’re not swinging and stopping and waiting to be hit. They’re just barreling forward through each other’s punches.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve been meaning to watch more of Don Frye’s wrestling career. YouTube seems to generate more from his fights. Any recommendations?

[Destor]

Its not overly good. An attempt to do worked mma. None of it sticks out but i do remember he had a match with vader i didnt hate

[Destor]

I vaguely remember a bat shit crazy german suplex

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thanks for that recommendation. I saw that on his Cage Match listing from 2003 or something and thought it might be worth a watch. :y: