AEW Dynamite - Grand Slam - 9.21.22 - The biggest AEW show of ALL-TIME

[Destor]

This mark is a weird double edge sword. It cant be made without his money but he's the worst thing about it.

[Destor]

Kahn that is, some posts popped up while i was typing

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tony Khan is PUMPED �� <a href="https://t.co/aywi1xozln">pic.twitter.com/aywi1xozln</a></p>&mdash; Jason Solomon (@solomonster) <a href="https://twitter.com/solomonster/status/1572769972132417536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tiny holds the microphone with 2 hands like it is a dick, SHOCKING!!!! :eek:

[Jordan]

Tiny holds the microphone with 2 hands like it is a dick, SHOCKING!!!! :eek:

LOL! He is a little dick sucker lol.

[xrodmuc316]

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[xrodmuc316]

One more, this made me laugh

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[Supreme Olajuwon]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT DO NOT CLICK ON THE SPOILER BELOW UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR TITS TO MELT OFF FROM HOW HOT THIS SPOILER WILL BE


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[Sting Fan]

This mark is a weird double edge sword. It cant be made without his money but he's the worst thing about it.

He is a strange dude. Upside is while he stays off of TV you dont have to deal with him. I dont follow him on social so all I really see of him is on here and thats a manageable dose for me.

[Sepholio]

Jesus isn't Keiji like 60 now? And he saved Sting? Oh God they are about to start a geezer faction and call it Whispering Pines like the home they'll all end up in.

[Mr. Nerfect]

LolAEW

[Lock Jaw]

Can AEWSaraya rassle? Thought she had to retire due to injury..... though I guess so did Daniel Bryan and Edge.....

[Sepholio]

Considering she has scoliosis on top of the injury she got, I wouldn't risk it if I was her. She takes another shot like that and she could end up permanently injured or worse.

[BigCrippyZ]

Jesus. You all seriously need to get a fucking life. I enjoy watching AEW and I’ve shit on Vince for plenty of reasons, but I’m not so pathetic that I’m going to bother to care to evaluate let alone comment on the off screen performance or appearance of the guy running the show, particularly when it’s certainly possible that he might have a legit disability or condition.

[Mr. Nerfect]

She wasn’t that good to begin with.

[xrodmuc316]

If I remember correctly, Paige was advised against getting the neck surgery she got because she would likely be more vulnerable to injury. She then got injured pretty much right away, not even by a crazy bump, but just getting kicked in the back.

Im sure she will be fine though with all the well trained, safe workers in AEW.

[slik]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT DO NOT CLICK ON THE SPOILER BELOW UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR TITS TO MELT OFF FROM HOW HOT THIS SPOILER WILL BE


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Wowza

that's unexpected

[Lock Jaw]

I enjoyed her feud with AJ Lee.

[BigCrippyZ]

If I remember correctly, Paige was advised against getting the neck surgery she got because she would likely be more vulnerable to injury. She then got injured pretty much right away, not even by a crazy bump, but just getting kicked in the back.

Im sure she will be fine though with all the well trained, safe workers in AEW.

Don’t worry guys, the medical expert has weighed in on her status based on “reports” and without ever examining her… it’s clear she’s fucked…

[Sepholio]

Jesus. You all seriously need to get a fucking life. I enjoy watching AEW and I’ve shit on Vince for plenty of reasons, but I’m not so pathetic that I’m going to bother to care to evaluate let alone comment on the off screen performance or appearance of the guy running the show, particularly when it’s certainly possible that he might have a legit disability or condition.

Oh he has a condition alright. It's called cocaine addiction.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sting and Muta feels like elder exploitation at this point.

[Sepholio]

Don’t worry guys, the medical expert has weighed in on her status based on “reports” and without ever examining her… it’s clear she’s fucked…

As a lawyer, do you argue cases involving injury based on reports from others or do you examine your clients yourself before you weigh in?

[BigCrippyZ]

Where’s your fucking proof dipshit?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Paige took this contract knowing Tony has watched her porn vid over and over again, and has probably had fantasies about his money and position getting him sex from her. I wonder how she plays this.

[BigCrippyZ]

As a lawyer, do you argue cases involving injury based on reports from others or do you examine your clients yourself before you weigh in?

Nah, I argue things based on CURRENT things I can factually prove and not speculative bullshit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

As a lawyer, do you argue cases involving injury based on reports from others or do you examine your clients yourself before you weigh in?

He’s not a lawyer.

[BigCrippyZ]

That’s hilarious. My 4 law licenses say otherwise fuckface

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can’t be bothered to go back through the thread. Jordan, how do you feel about Moxley as AEW champ for the 14th time? Even if you like him it must be getting boring, no?

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’s hilarious. My 4 law licenses say otherwise fuckface

You’re a liar, BigCrippyZ. If that is your real name.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You can see Tony Khan is a fucking muppet. There’s nothing speculative about it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Jericho got in as ROH champ before he surpassed PCO in terms of age when he won it.

[BigCrippyZ]

You’re a liar, BigCrippyZ. If that is your real name.

Oh no. You’ve alleged something about me with absolutely no proof. What a tragedy.

[BigCrippyZ]

I’m also allegedly an asshole who doesn’t give a shit what you and any other morons think about me and will tell you and anyone else how fucking irrationally stupid they are.

[slik]

Is it true the tapings still are ongoing

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m also allegedly an asshole who doesn’t give a shit what you and any other morons think about me and will tell you and anyone else how fucking irrationally stupid they are.

You absolutely do care what people think of you. It’s why you lie over the internet.

[BigCrippyZ]

I believe Rampage was 2 hours

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is it true the tapings still are ongoing

It would make sense. They had a 2-hour Rampage to tape and probably snuck in some Dark, Dark Elevation, Dark Hour, Dark Rush, Dark into the Light and Dark After Dark Edition tapings in there too.

[BigCrippyZ]

You absolutely do care what people think of you. It’s why you lie over the internet.

If you say so dumbfuck

[xrodmuc316]

Don’t worry guys, the medical expert has weighed in on her status based on “reports” and without ever examining her… it’s clear she’s fucked…

LOL it's been a while since I got got by BigzCrippzy!

Sorry I replied to Lock and Seph with what I remember about her situation 5 years ago. Unlike Noid, I believe you really are a lawyer. Who else would spin that post as me pretending I am a medical expert other than a scummy lawyer :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can’t believe…

Tony Khan didn’t deliver on Captain Insano. Paul Wight just did commentary for the match. Adam Page won the Battle Royal so he will get Moxley for the World Title on Oct 18. Boring.

[Sepholio]

lol damnit the one person I hoped wouldn't win of course won. Kinda stuck though I guess because their main event division is woefully thin.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Current champion roll call:

AEW World Champion: Jon Moxley
ROH World Champion: Chris Jericho
AEW Women’s World Champion: Thunder Rosa
AEW Interim Women’s World Champion: Toni Storm
ROH Women’s World Champion: Mercedes Martinez
AEW World Tag Team Champions: The Acclaimed
ROH World Tag Team Champions: FTR
AAA World Tag Team Champions: FTR
IWGP Tag Team Champions: FTR
AAA World Mixed Tag Team Champions: Sammy Guevara & Tay Mello
AEW TNT Champion: Wardlow
AEW TBS Champion: Jade Cargill
ROH World Television Champion: Samoa Joe
ROH Pure Wrestling Champion: Daniel Garcia
AEW All-Atlantic Champion: PAC
IWGP United States Champion: Will Ospreay
AEW World Trios Champions: Death Triangle
IWGP Strong Tag Team Championship: Aussie Open
FTW Champion: Hook

I don’t see a problem.

[Triple A]

Is it true the tapings still are ongoing

show ended at like 12:40, very long...............

good show though... got home at like 1:30 though on a Wed night

[Triple A]

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[Triple A]

Seats were a lot closer, wide angle lens deceptively far, felt like the big screen above the ring was huge and right in front of your face, good view, "not a bad seat in the house"

[xrodmuc316]

The outside of that place looks awesome Trips, glad you had a good time!

[Triple A]

Thank you my man

[Triple A]

Rampage spoilers...

<ul>
<li><strong>Sting & Darby Allin defeated House of Black (Brody King & Buddy Matthews)</strong> via Scorpion Death Drop by Sting on Matthews. This was a very fun match to open Rampage. Darby did a lot of cool spots, including a Coffin Drop off of the entrance tunnel. He and Brody King also fell off of the stage through tables. Julia Hart and Buddy Matthews handcuffed Sting's hands behind his back. Buddy Matthews sat Sting in a chair and was going to hit him with a bat when the Great Muta suddenly made his entrance to a huge pop. He spit mist in Buddy's face, then Sting broke out of the handcuffs on his own somehow and hit Buddy with the Scorpion Death Drop for the win.</li>
<li><strong>Action Bronson & Hook defeated Matt Menard & Angelo Parker</strong> via Redrum submission by Bronson and Hook on both Menard and Parker at the same time. Bronson looked pretty good and agile. Another fun match.</li>
<li><strong>TBS Championship: Jade Cargill (c) defeated Diamante</strong> via Jaded in a pretty short match that didn't have a lot of heat. Diamante had rapper Trina in her corner. After the match, Trina turned on Diamante, slapping her and shaking hands with Jade.</li>
<li><strong>Wardlow & Samoa Joe defeated Tony Nese & Josh Woods</strong> via Muscle Buster by Joe on Nese in another pretty short match. Mark Sterling cut a promo before the match saying that there's a crazy guy going around trying to powerbomb him, but his athletes are going to stop that from happening. After the match, Joe grabbed Sterling and threw him to Wardlow, who hit him with three powerbombs in a row.</li>
<li><strong>Jungle Boy defeated Rey Fenix</strong> via small package. This was a good match but felt like it went way too long. It was past midnight at this point and the crowd was tired and this match felt like it went almost a half hour. After the match, Christian Cage's music hit. He cut a promo insulting NYC and got a massive amount of heat. Luchasaurus then showed up from behind Jungle Boy and attacked him. Christian was wearing a cast on his arm and said that Jungle Boy's sneak attack at All Out gave him an injury. He called Jungle Boy a bitch as Luchasaurus held him down and said that it's a shame that his mom and sister couldn't see him right now. He told Jungle Boy to not show his face in AEW anymore then told Luchasaurus to "end him" and Lucha gave him a big chokeslam. Christian got a ton of heat and brought the crowd back to life.</li>
<li><strong>Backstage: Jericho Appreciation Society</strong> - Jericho celebrated with the JAS backstage over his ROH title win. He said that next week there will be a championship celebration.</li>
<li><strong>Sammy Guevara defeated Eddie Kingston</strong> after a referee overruled the decision of the match. Kingston originally won via Stretch Plum submission after three spinning back fists, but after the match, he wouldn't break the hold. Several officials tried to stop him, but he wouldn't let go, so Justin Roberts announced that a senior referee has overridden the decision. Massive boos, of course. This was a good match. Eddie was very over with the NY crowd and Sammy got a lot of heat. Before the match, Sammy got a mic and told Kingston that he was sorry... "sorry for not saying this to your face, you fat piece of shit."</li>
<li><strong>Grand Slam Golden Ticket Battle Royale: Hangman Page won</strong>, last eliminating Rush. Page will now get a World Championship match at a set time and date in the future. Order of elimination: Ari Daivari, Cole Carter, QT Marshall, Danhausen, Dante Martin, Jake Hager, Chuck Taylor, Brian Cage, Trent, Dalton Castle (who was very over with the crowd), Daniel Garcia, Lee Moriarty, Dark Order's 10, The Blade, Matt Hardy, both members of Private Party, Evil Uno, The Butcher, John Silver, Lance Archer, Penta El Zero Miedo, Jay Lethal, Rush.</li>
<li><strong>Lights Out Match: Ricky Starks defeated Powerhouse Hobbs</strong> via Roshambo after a spear through a table. This was a great match, but it was about 12:40 AM when it ended and the crowd was tired. They still somehow got the crowd very into it though in the last few minutes. Worth watching for sure.</li>
</ul>

<strong>Dark: Elevation</strong>

Taped before Dynamite.
<ul>
<li><strong>Mixed Tag Team Match: Penelope Ford & Kip Sabian defeated Skye Blue & Shawn Dean</strong> via springboard suplex by Sabian on Dean</li>
<li><strong>Ortiz defeated Serpentico</strong> via fisherman buster</li>
</ul>

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m glad you had fun, but it sounds pretty meh. I’m glad Christian will be sticking around as a character and to have sex with Britt Baker.

[Triple A]

Watching the show now, crowd sounds really hot on TV

[Triple A]

Glad the Acclaimed won but Keith Lee and Swerve are great...

[Sting Fan]

Wow hot show.

Trips what happened with Danielson taking the belt off of Regal? Did he put it on Mox himself or was there some sort of turn/aftermath?

[Rammsteinmad]

Really good show! Should have been a PPV. Castagnoli/Jericho, PAC/Cassidy and Danielson/Moxley were all fantastic matches. I really like AEW's production too. Really good camera angles and really looks "big". I know the company has come under a lot of criticisms lately, but honestly I can't fault their product. Everything looks really polished.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Jesus. You all seriously need to get a fucking life. I enjoy watching AEW and I’ve shit on Vince for plenty of reasons, but I’m not so pathetic that I’m going to bother to care to evaluate let alone comment on the off screen performance or appearance of the guy running the show, particularly when it’s certainly possible that he might have a legit disability or condition.

Is it really that big of a deal to make fun of some goober billionaire who constantly acts like a gobshite? It's not like they're targeting someone without every advantage in the world (aside from social skills) handed to them.

[Destor]

Jesus. You all seriously need to get a fucking life. I enjoy watching AEW and I’ve shit on Vince for plenty of reasons, but I’m not so pathetic that I’m going to bother to care to evaluate let alone comment on the off screen performance or appearance of the guy running the show, particularly when it’s certainly possible that he might have a legit disability or condition.oh noes is the guy who does the thing you like on the pitty list? Guess i cant make fun of him anymore

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Plus I don't think Tony has a disability or condition. Maybe he's a bit on the spectrum (like probably 75% of the posters here, myself included), but he actually just seems like kind of an asshole.

[XL]

A bit on the spectrum?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The levels of spectrumness are themselves a spectrum.

[drave]

Spectrum is my internet provider.




COINCIDENCE?!?!?!!?!

[Jordan]

I can’t be bothered to go back through the thread. Jordan, how do you feel about Moxley as AEW champ for the 14th time? Even if you like him it must be getting boring, no?

Watching the match you should see that Mox is the much bigger star right now between him and Danielson, who seems to be on a creative slump right now. Mox doesn't have a ton of fresh matchups but they do have one scheduled for October now that is fresh and should be really good.

I'd just like for Mox to have a strong run for a while before dropping to MJF. And I hope they MJF does the cowardly cash in instead of make a main event at Full Gear.

[drave]

100p MJF will do the "cowardly" cash-in, but with a twist. There will be another faction, though there doesn't need to be, that will most likely come into play.


Feel like they alluded to this by having him on the screen during the main event, and at one point, he was talking on the phone. Could be nothing, but I definitely see something.


Overall, the main event was rather disappointing. Entirely possible to have had a better match with these two. Danielson's match with Jericho last week was better than his match this week, and has zero to do with Moxley.

[Triple A]

Trips what happened with Danielson taking the belt off of Regal? Did he put it on Mox himself or was there some sort of turn/aftermath?

He put it on Moxley's waist and they raised each other's arms and were friends

[drave]

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"front and center"

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is it really that big of a deal to make fun of some goober billionaire who constantly acts like a gobshite? It's not like they're targeting someone without every advantage in the world (aside from social skills) handed to them.

:y:

[xrodmuc316]

I would thoroughly enjoy somebody punching his spastic face live on TBS Wednesday night #dynamite

[XL]

Looks like the rating is down on last week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Numbers being down for this show is probably not a great thing. This was a tentpole show.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

they're still over a million but I have a feeling a lot of that bump was due to curiosity with how they'd pay off the Bunk and Punk stuff. They chose business as usual instead of anything that felt "big," which is an 800,000k weekly show. Not saying they needed to hotshot anything. But a big angle woulda helped, especially since Tony kept promising things the likes of nobody has ever seen in history.

[Evil Vito]

Great show. Had a blast live.

My one complaint - it’s just too god damn long trying to do a 2 hour Rampage on the east coast. Actually think it ran even longer this year, maybe they took longer to start Rampage or just let matches go longer and then they’ll try to cut stuff down on commercials.

I could be wrong but last year I think by 12:15 the show was over. The promos for the Starks/Hobbs main event didn’t even start til 12:20. The crowd was hot all night but definitely a lot more people trickling out by then.

[Evil Vito]

The Acclaimed and Saraya had 2 of the loudest pops I’ve ever heard in person.

[Mr. Nerfect]

they're still over a million but I have a feeling a lot of that bump was due to curiosity with how they'd pay off the Bunk and Punk stuff. They chose business as usual instead of anything that felt "big," which is an 800,000k weekly show. Not saying they needed to hotshot anything. But a big angle woulda helped, especially since Tony kept promising things the likes of nobody has ever seen in history.

There’s promoting your show and then there’s going full Dixie Carter and creating a false bar of expectation that you’re never going to live up to. There were things about the show that were going to deliver (the location, atmosphere, new champion guaranteed), but you don’t need to hype it in the abstract. People’s imaginations are always going to be more powerful than the reality of your product.

I think it was a mistake Mox going over (people have seen it) and I mistake not doing something with MJF. I think the way forward is MJF. You don’t need to do anything out of this world insane, but just coming out the show with having more reasons to want to see the principals fight would be good.

[Evil Vito]

Vito how is the attendance looking compared to last year?

There were definitely fewer than last year (think they got like 15-16k rather than 20) but as far as I could tell the only substantial pockets of unsold seats were near the very top of the arena. Still don’t think those seats are bad but can see why they didn’t sell out given the more expensive tix, the logistical issues from last year, AEW not being as hot last year and also last year having the extra appeal of not only being their first time in NYC but also being the first big gathering plenty of people in the audience had gone to after COVID.

[Evil Vito]

Lines for concessions were way better this year. Got my food at Fuku which allows you to just grab your food and pay and it took 2 seconds.

That spicy chicken sandwich was delicious but a lot hotter than I expected. Was definitely getting a high from the heat at one point.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

William Shatner defeats AEW.

[Evil Vito]

Give me Chris Jericho vs Dalton Castle

[Triple A]

idk why they don't use Dalton Castle more in AEW instead of just keeping him in stupid ROH... one of the most charismatic guys they have + was like the most over guy in the battle royal at the Rampage tapings

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan still has this idea that he’s going to make ROH a thing even though AEW isn’t really a thing.

[Lock Jaw]

All it seems to be doing to me is "muddying the brand".... don't watch AEW, but I would be "annoyed" at other brand's belts being constantly on the show.... it is maybe ok when it is like an "international brand" and can be like "this rassler is so skilled he has won belts in other countries"..... but to have another American fed titles there.... dunno.... why should I care

[Mr. Nerfect]

TK being a mark means he thinks the belts make the wrestler.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I care about wrestlers less when they win a ROH belt lol. It’s like winning a WCW Title in 2001. The promotion is dead. Claudio was not a World Champion.

The Impact Title was a bad idea too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They should have just brought the top talent over from ROH (The Briscoes), but they were sabotaged by The Bucks who don’t want better tag teams floating about.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A big philosophical issue I’ve had with AEW from the start is that a lot of the people involved don’t want it to be good wrestling. They want it to be their wrestling.

This was the heat with Punk and why negotiations with him in 2019 were tanked. It’s why they never reached out to the best from MLW and ROH. It’s a threat to the PWG group who want to be the top of the class via rigged scores.

[Mr. Nerfect]

My hopes for a third promotion continue to live. I’m not that into Malakai Black, but he’s gone. If Punk leaves, there might be talent that follows suit in time. If TK needs to save money or Punk swings his dick and gets a bunch of misused guys out of deals if they want to get out, you could have a pretty good roster floating about. Punk and AJ Lee might be able to work something out with ViacomCBS and get a good spot somewhere.

[Sepholio]

LOL After that tirade at the presser, there is literally 0% chance CM Punk could work out a TV deal with anyone other than public access in a small midwestern market, and even thats a stretch.

[Sepholio]

If AEW doesn't bring Punk back, he's done. He won't be there, he won't be in WWE, and no one else is gonna shell out the kinda money he wants for a guy that is in his mid 40s, is apparently now super injury prone, and is liable to blow up the whole operation at any time if he gets in a bad mood.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Good show. Not great. Acclaimed and Saraya were the highlights.

Complaints are Tony still shitting away the women’s division. The obvious match was Toni v Britt. Neither Deeb nor Athena, who just lost a title match a few weeks ago on ppv, needed to be in the match. Saraya throws a nice wrinkle into the division but given how little direction or long term planning Tony has for the division it’ll prob end up being underwhelming.

Idk what it is but I haven’t enjoyed the last few Danielson matches. Might be the pacing. His first 3 big matches against Omega and Page were excellent. Last night was ok, but not the barn burner I was hoping for.

Moxley is the fucking man. It’s a shame he had to lose to all out, only to get the belt back and now be primed to lose it to MJF in the very near future. But that should be a god program. Of all the big signings they’ve made, idk how anyone could argue that their first big one, Moxley hasn’t been the best one by far. He’s their MVP IMO.

FTR and Wardlow being directionless and Starks and Hobbs being left off this show is a travesty.

Hopefully this reset of sorts after all the chaos the company has endured since Full Gear will help right the ship and get things back on track.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

If AEW doesn't bring Punk back, he's done. He won't be there, he won't be in WWE, and no one else is gonna shell out the kinda money he wants for a guy that is in his mid 40s, is apparently now super injury prone, and is liable to blow up the whole operation at any time if he gets in a bad mood.

This was the last bridge to burn. While I understand being mad at rumors, the press conference following your comeback win and your greatest rival returning to essentially challenge you isn’t the place to suit your dirty laundry.

Love Punk. But I’m fine with him fucking off of that is what it comes to. If he’s back and he’s healthy and can go, great. If not, great.

I do wonder if they put it too as locker room vote, how it would it turn out for him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

LOL After that tirade at the presser, there is literally 0% chance CM Punk could work out a TV deal with anyone other than public access in a small midwestern market, and even thats a stretch.

I don’t know if I follow. Punk took shots at the incompetent management, but it’s the straw that broke the camel’s back kind of thing. It was also more compelling than the actual PPV.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He doesn’t suffer fools lightly, I’ll give you that.

[XL]

I don’t know if Punk has been smart or not.

Barely anyone is talking about his injury, the second one in as many matches. The perception could be that’s he not up to it anymore but he’s “changed the narrative” at least temporarily. He’s suspended during a time he wouldn’t be there anyway.

Or, he’s just thought “fuck it”, and doesn’t want to come back if he’s going to keep getting injured.

[Sepholio]

I don’t know if I follow. Punk took shots at the incompetent management, but it’s the straw that broke the camel’s back kind of thing. It was also more compelling than the actual PPV.

And you think some other, and in the case of CBS, much more serious/professional management team is going to want to work with a guy who will publicly snap on them at a press conference over rumors? LOL sure thing buddy. He went off on his bosses in front of everyone because Dave Meltzer said some shit on the internet and he assumes his bosses are the ones who told Dave, when in reality, its equally as likely that Dave just made it the fuck up for clicks lmao. Furthermore, if you can't deal with internet rumors as a famous person in this day and age then you pretty much just need to go away because they aren't gonna stop.

Imagine how easy it is to cause a situation in AEW if they keep him around; just go off spreading insane rumors about Punk on the internet until he loses his shit again. This is exactly what people are gonna do lol.

[Sepholio]

Feel like if The Elite were feeding Meltzer as much info behind the scenes as people think they are that Daves information would probably be a hell of a lot more accurate than it is a lot of the time. He gets an awful lot of shit wrong for someone basically acting like a proxy for the guys making the decisions.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

it could also serve the Elite to feed Dave half truths.

[Splaya]

Is Saraya gonna start wrestling again or is she gonna be a manager? She hasn't wrestled since Sasha injured her like 5+ years ago. Don't see her really bringing anything to the womens division at this point.

This and the constant idea that if she takes a bump, I am going to think she is paralyzed.

[Sepholio]

It could, but at this point all of that is pure speculation on everyones part. We dont know if they were feeding anti-punk shit to Dave or if someone else was or if he just made it up because he knew it would cause controversy and get attention. All we know is that Punk publicly lost his shit over internet rumors, made accusations he can not back up, and embarrassed the shit out of his boss.

None of those things are going to now help him get a bigger company to back him on an insanely risky proposition of a 3rd major wrestling company in this country when the 2nd one is struggling and the first one isn't doing great either in the grand scheme of things. The way AEW has gone has made it very hard for anyone else to get a major wrestling company off the ground here any time soon. The market is already oversaturated with a product that is targeting an increasingly niche market. There isn't room for more. And honestly, there is nowhere near enough recognizable talent for it.

[drave]

Yeah, everyone sucks in the situation, but Punk seems to have been the worst, IMO.


If you do indeed have that kinda grievance, that shit gets hashed out in a professional manner, behind closed doors with all parties involved.


He made himself look like a crybitch, and really made Tony look like a cuck.


I was a fan at one time. Had the 25/8/366 Knees 2 Faces shirt - that was a good time when Punk was wrestling. He seems though, to have become just as, if not more, bitter than Bret Shart.


Just like Bret screwed Bret, Punk screwed Punk.

[screech]

All it seems to be doing to me is "muddying the brand".... don't watch AEW, but I would be "annoyed" at other brand's belts being constantly on the show.... it is maybe ok when it is like an "international brand" and can be like "this rassler is so skilled he has won belts in other countries"..... but to have another American fed titles there.... dunno.... why should I care

It was really odd to have an ROH championship main event Dynamite a few weeks ago (or last week, maybe?). I don't mind ROH being featured on AEW TV until they get a TV deal of their own, but they shouldn't main event.

[screech]

(I know that was right after the suspensions and whatnot but it was still a bit off to have a different promotion main event your main show.)

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

AEW screwed AEW

[xrodmuc316]

AEW screwed AEW

AEW tried to sign the idiot right from the start.
The idiot publicly shamed AEW for 2+ years.
The idiot waited until others built something acceptable.
The idiot comes in and wants change to fit his vision.
The idiot disparages the people who put in the hard work.
The idiot burns it all down takes and drags people with him.
The other idiot who signed the idiot nodded while it happened.
The other idiot needs more money from dad to pay off the idiot.

AEW screwed AEW by letting a snake with a blowtorch into their house of cards.

[Destor]

If AEW doesn't bring Punk back, he's done. He won't be there, he won't be in WWE, and no one else is gonna shell out the kinda money he wants for a guy that is in his mid 40s, is apparently now super injury prone, and is liable to blow up the whole operation at any time if he gets in a bad mood.
Lets say you book punk, ignoring my opinion if one should book him in the 1st place. So you know he isnt aging well physically. Thats beyond contestation at the point. So best practice would be a 30-60 day no contact build. Do that match on paid TV. Ok great. You get your pay day. Problem is you cant book any momentum after that, you must book a one shot the night of because you cant ensure he isnt going to need 90ish days off to recover. How can you effectively use him?

You cant build him forward and putting him under will quickly lose return value. So... whats the point? Sure get the few gates if you can while you can but my efforts would be feeding him to my long term talent. The amount of business to do is pretty limited.

And again thats ignoring if you should even use him at all.

[xrodmuc316]

Lets say you book punk, ignoring my opinion if one should book him in the 1st place. So you know he isnt aging well physically. Thats beyond contestation at the point. So best practice would be a 30-60 day no contact build. Do that match on paid TV. Ok great. You get your pay day. Problem is you cant book any momentum after that, you must book a one shot the night of because you cant ensure he isnt going to need 90ish days off to recover. How can you effectively use him?

You cant build him forward and putting him under will quickly lose return value. So... whats the point? Sure get the few gates if you can while you can but my efforts would be feeding him to my long term talent. The amount of business to do is pretty limited.

And again thats ignoring if you should even use him at all.

Vs Scott Colton, easy

[Splaya]

I just re-watched Soraya's debut. It just seems like something is off. Like she didn't even want to be there or anything

[weather vane]

Weird. I thought she looked pumped up big time.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

They need to keep ROH off of TV and stop referencing/booking matches for other promotions titles. It’s dumb. It devalues their own titles. And it takes away TV time from guys like Wardlow who should be featured in dedicated segments every week. Same with Jade. Same for the trios/all Atlantic titles.

Nobody watching AEW to see ROH, NJPW, and AAA titles.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Weird. I thought she looked pumped up big time.

My penis was pumped for her to be there

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lets say you book punk, ignoring my opinion if one should book him in the 1st place. So you know he isnt aging well physically. Thats beyond contestation at the point. So best practice would be a 30-60 day no contact build. Do that match on paid TV. Ok great. You get your pay day. Problem is you cant book any momentum after that, you must book a one shot the night of because you cant ensure he isnt going to need 90ish days off to recover. How can you effectively use him?

You cant build him forward and putting him under will quickly lose return value. So... whats the point? Sure get the few gates if you can while you can but my efforts would be feeding him to my long term talent. The amount of business to do is pretty limited.

And again thats ignoring if you should even use him at all.

If they’re going to use him it should be as a special attraction who only wrestlers a few dates a year. Kinda like the way they’ve used Christian.

So odd for punk, though. He went almost an entire year, wrestling 20 matches including his first title win, with little if any problem. Then he idiotically dives into the crowd, breaking his foot, which you could’ve written off as a fluke injury, followed by the elbow injury on a dive he landed a million times randomly injuring him immediately after returning.

He went from fine to the durability of toilet paper overnight.

[Destor]

That's just how aging goes for some people. Sitting at home for a few years didnt help matters. They say the no.1 killer of old people is retirement. Doing nothing breaks you down fast.

[Sepholio]

Absolutely. My grandpa swore the worst decision he ever made was to retire. He said it was all downhill from there and that it was fast.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And you think some other, and in the case of CBS, much more serious/professional management team is going to want to work with a guy who will publicly snap on them at a press conference over rumors? LOL sure thing buddy. He went off on his bosses in front of everyone because Dave Meltzer said some shit on the internet and he assumes his bosses are the ones who told Dave, when in reality, its equally as likely that Dave just made it the fuck up for clicks lmao. Furthermore, if you can't deal with internet rumors as a famous person in this day and age then you pretty much just need to go away because they aren't gonna stop.

Imagine how easy it is to cause a situation in AEW if they keep him around; just go off spreading insane rumors about Punk on the internet until he loses his shit again. This is exactly what people are gonna do lol.

Punk’s mad at how unprofessionally AEW is run. He used a platform they provided him to tell the truth. I can understand why AEW wouldn’t be happy about it, but I don’t think it has any bearing on how well Punk can do his job.

He didn’t get mad at internet rumors. He got mad at people in positions of power being allowed to constantly go around and fuck around with talent/run talent off. He’s been dealing with it since 2019. He’s not coming at it from the same perspective as us on the internet — he knows a lot of the machinations going on back there and how hard it is to deal with these twats.

it could also serve the Elite to feed Dave half truths.

Absolutely. I’ve noticed they don’t always tell Dave much. He was behind the ball on the Punk and Danielson signings. But maybe they just didn’t tell The Bucks? Either way, they’ve worked out how to use Dave — and how to not use Dave — to their advantage.

It could, but at this point all of that is pure speculation on everyones part. We dont know if they were feeding anti-punk shit to Dave or if someone else was or if he just made it up because he knew it would cause controversy and get attention. All we know is that Punk publicly lost his shit over internet rumors, made accusations he can not back up, and embarrassed the shit out of his boss.

None of those things are going to now help him get a bigger company to back him on an insanely risky proposition of a 3rd major wrestling company in this country when the 2nd one is struggling and the first one isn't doing great either in the grand scheme of things. The way AEW has gone has made it very hard for anyone else to get a major wrestling company off the ground here any time soon. The market is already oversaturated with a product that is targeting an increasingly niche market. There isn't room for more. And honestly, there is nowhere near enough recognizable talent for it.

The Bucks being tiny dicks is nothing new. Unless you just listen to Meltzer and assume they’re really great guys. You just had Malakai Black going “Why is my personal shit out there?” Cody and Brandi. CM Punk when he was first dealing with the promotion. Someone else (I think it was Konnan?) had their financials leaked. Lol, the findings of the investigation are not known yet. I wouldn’t say he “can’t back them up” just because he hasn’t personally shoved the evidence under your nose.

Also, take the Adam Page incident. So much about wrestling is about trust. I don’t know if Punk knew 100% what Page was originally scheduled to say, but there’s a good chance he did and was completely blind-sided by him going into business for The Elite. But even if he didn’t and just knew “Page is going to cut a promo on you,” it’s still a massive break of trust to have someone out there trying to halt your babyface momentum before a big match. That’s not “speculation.” That’s something Page actually did on live television. It may be speculation that he did it all on his lonesome, but that’s the toxic influence of The Bucks.

Anyway, ViacomCBS already have a working agreement in place with AJ Lee. I don’t know the exact status of it and if it will go anywhere, but my point wasn’t so much that ViacomCBS would take off their panties and throw them at Punk because he is Punk so much as their wrestling executive is married to a big star who could tell AEW to go fuck themselves because he wants to be on a product that delivers results. AEW has been a bad look for wrestling, but I imagine the angle would be to convince TV networks that they’re bad television aimed at the niche and that WWE numbers are possible. And if Punk can blow up AEW with legal leverage and create a scenario where talent can get out of contracts they no longer want because of the environment, you COULD have that talent roster that is currently chained up.

* CM Punk
* FTR
* Malalai Black
* The House of Black
* The Briscoes
* Will Hobbs
* Ricky Starks
* Brock Anderson
* Brian Pillman, Jr.
* Griff Garrison
* Wardlow
* Even MJF

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's just how aging goes for some people. Sitting at home for a few years didnt help matters. They say the no.1 killer of old people is retirement. Doing nothing breaks you down fast.

I’ve seen it happen. It’s horrible.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just re-watched Soraya's debut. It just seems like something is off. Like she didn't even want to be there or anything

I thought the same thing about Samoa Joe when he debuted.

I think a lot of these people would rather be working for WWE, but when the deals aren’t there or the money isn’t high enough, go to Tony and get a truckload even if it’s not artistically fulfilling.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No joke though — Paige could end up running that company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know how there were the outlandish rumors Vince McMahon sent Vince Russo to WCW as a double agent? My pick for a Trojan horse in AEW would be Paige.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lets say you book punk, ignoring my opinion if one should book him in the 1st place. So you know he isnt aging well physically. Thats beyond contestation at the point. So best practice would be a 30-60 day no contact build. Do that match on paid TV. Ok great. You get your pay day. Problem is you cant book any momentum after that, you must book a one shot the night of because you cant ensure he isnt going to need 90ish days off to recover. How can you effectively use him?

You cant build him forward and putting him under will quickly lose return value. So... whats the point? Sure get the few gates if you can while you can but my efforts would be feeding him to my long term talent. The amount of business to do is pretty limited.

And again thats ignoring if you should even use him at all.

Eh, I think you can do a bunch of stuff. Bring him back as a commentator, have a heel go off on him one week. People always pop for the commentator taking off the headset.

I’m still interested in him vs. Hobbs. You could do something with him and Starks maybe as partners. FTR & Punk as a unit. You haven’t done the heel turn yet. Bubblewrapped Heel Punk picking fights he can win.

I don’t think you’re wrong about his body or about the philosophical issues with using Punk, but you can definitely squeeze the actual content out.

[Destor]

You really havent circumvented any of the issues there. You've created a frame work that work inside the issues but they remain all the same.

He cant work regularly so you cant safely set up anything beyond 1 match. So nothing long term. Every match he does needs to bookend itself. Because of this putting him over only devalues the guy he's working since Punk cant trade that momentum to someone else on the card. So you put him under. How many times can you do that before any value he might have had is well and truly gone? 5 times in a row max. If the Undertaker we're to job every match for 2.5 years at the end of the run the crowd would tune out. Its a long time to be a loser.

So: Put him over and you hurt a guy for nothing. He goes under and at some point people sleep through his matches. The guy isnt exactly Andre the Giant. His novelty has a much shorter leash.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You really havent circumvented any of the issues there. You've created a frame work that work inside the issues but they remain all the same.

He cant work regularly so you cant safely set up anything beyond 1 match. So nothing long term. Every match he does needs to bookend itself. Because of this putting him over only devalues the guy he's working since Punk cant trade that momentum to someone else on the card. So you put him under. How many times can you do that before any value he might have had is well and truly gone? 5 times in a row max. If the Undertaker we're to job every match for 2.5 years at the end of the run the crowd would tune out. Its a long time to be a loser.

So: Put him over and you hurt a guy for nothing. He goes under and at some point people sleep through his matches. The guy isnt exactly Andre the Giant. His novelty has a much shorter leash.

1 match at a time might be a bit dramatic. I get where you’re coming from though in that it is way safer to plan for 1 match, which is an obstacle but not one that you absolutely can’t get past. That’s what I meant with the teaming with guys. In the case he does go over someone, that decision can be the trigger point for the losing wrestler to change direction. If Punk gets hurt, you just wait until next time. But if he’s not hurt, you can go into the next program right away.

It’s not ideal, I’ll give you that. I’m not sure if even Punk will go for it (love him or hate him, he seems like someone who does want his programs to be full). I just don’t think it’s an impossibility. It’s good cause to move past him if you were looking for a reason though lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He can’t be the A1 guy anymore. I totally agree with that. I wouldn’t even be interested in that if he weren’t falling apart. I’m way more interested in personal program 3rd from the top Punk.

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We don't talk enough about Jon Moxley predicting everything that would happen before it happened. <br><br>&quot;You should take the time and really enjoy CM Punk while he's here. Because he's not going to be here much longer. Fragile ego. Fragile mind. Fragile body.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/5LOyA2xLPY">pic.twitter.com/5LOyA2xLPY</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Wrotkowski (@AaronWrotkowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/AaronWrotkowski/status/1572308719970689025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[rez]

I read the results but it's still fun

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We don't talk enough about Jon Moxley predicting everything that would happen before it happened. <br><br>&quot;You should take the time and really enjoy CM Punk while he's here. Because he's not going to be here much longer. Fragile ego. Fragile mind. Fragile body.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/5LOyA2xLPY">pic.twitter.com/5LOyA2xLPY</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Wrotkowski (@AaronWrotkowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/AaronWrotkowski/status/1572308719970689025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That describes almost the entire AEW locker room.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We don't talk enough about Jon Moxley predicting everything that would happen before it happened. <br><br>&quot;You should take the time and really enjoy CM Punk while he's here. Because he's not going to be here much longer. Fragile ego. Fragile mind. Fragile body.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/5LOyA2xLPY">pic.twitter.com/5LOyA2xLPY</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Wrotkowski (@AaronWrotkowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/AaronWrotkowski/status/1572308719970689025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Time makes a hypocrite of those who cling to youth.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Nash was having a bit of fun on his podcast. He sorta was sympathizing in a way when he extrapolated further. But also, Nash is going on about being 55 in the ring. The dude didn’t exactly work a physically demanding style. Punk might not be a super athlete but he’s putting himself through the wringer more than Nash ever did.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nash was having a bit of fun on his podcast. He sorta was sympathizing in a way when he extrapolated further. But also, Nash is going on about being 55 in the ring. The dude didn’t exactly work a physically demanding style. Punk might not be a super athlete but he’s putting himself through the wringer more than Nash ever did.

I agree. Whatever you think about Punk, you can’t say that he’s lazy. The guy has really tried to make a run of things. Is his body holding up? Well, he’s had two injuries. He might decide to work smarter and not harder (I personally wouldn’t fault him for that), but you can’t say the guy didn’t give being a workhorse north of 40 a go.