Kane deserves the world title more than anyone right now...

[Greendale]

Don't get me wrong, Benoit's a great talent, but I think it's time that he should give up the belt. Kane deserves it more. The WWE always screw Kane with the title, and this time I'm pretty sure Kane is going to get it.

Well, that's the whole point of unmasking Kane (hello, the RAW episode where Kane goes for a title shot against HHH, Bischoff orders the match if Kane loses, he loses the mask forever....). Kane is all about the world title. Character/storywise Kane constantly goes after the title all the time, and yet, he gets another title shot. If Kane loses over Benoit, it will do nothing but make Kane even weaker, and Kane CANNOT get weaker by losing to Benoit, that would be disgraceful.

As most of you know, I'm a huge Kane fan, have been a huge Kane fan for years. He's gotten WWE Title a few times in the past, and he deserves another title reign.

I think both rosters are going for another title change this time. Kane wins the belt from Benoit, JBL gets the belt from Eddie Gurrero.

This is the main reason why I'm watching the Bad Blood ppv, not only for the Kane vs. Benoit title shot match, I'm looking forward to the whole ppv, overall it's a great card so far. :y:

This is NOT a trollish post, I'm being honest and stating MY opinion. If we all had the same opinions in wrestling, the boards would be boring.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah, it would be nice to see Kane get a title run, instead of his last one which lasted all of a day.

[PureHatred]

That's fine. But how does losing to Benoit make Kane look weaker? Benoit is basically unbeaten since the Rumble.

Anyways..I hope Benoit wins, moves on to a program with Edge or Jerischo and then maybeKane can work a heel v heel program with Triple H. helloo..he's the guy who made him lose the mask in the first place and the writers never followed up on that either.

[loopydate]

Now, see, this is what we wanted to see from you all along, man. Good post.

I agree that Kane really should win this match against Benoit to prevent himself from looking weak, but with Benoit only having held the title for two months and his reign being overshadowed by the HHH/HBK feud, another title change would probably end up making the title itself look weaker.

If there was a way for Benoit to hold the title another couple of months (till Vengeance?), then drop it to Kane (without Kane being made to look foolish at Bad Blood), I'd be all for it.

A Kane title reign would be a good thing, though, because it could help repair some of the damage that's been done to his character over the years (the X-Pac friendship, getting schooled by Shane, the Terri/Tori romances, etc.)

[PureHatred]

Thing is...Kane does look really weak right now. He didn't really go over on matt Hardy because they kiled the story too soon, he needed help to win the battle royal, and Eugene just made him look like a fool. And that's just in the last 3 weeks.

Like you said, the only way this could work is if the Benoit/Kane feud goes on for a couple months. And during that time Kane is booked to destroy anyone in his path; have Benoit 'outwrestle' Kane once or twice before dropping the belt, and then have the final match be a stipulaiton bout that actually headlinse whatever PPV it's on.

Otherwise, it just makes Benoit look weak w/o really helping Kane.

[King Jericho]

I respect that you have your views and your opinions, but there aren't going to happen i'm afraid my man.

I like Kane also, very much so since he lost the mask and the hair, its made the character better, and his promos and wrestling has picked up considerably since his 'de-masking'. But there's no way on earth the Kane or JBL will win the titles from the respective shows anytime soon.

Why push Benoit to win the title at XX and have him lose it 2-3 months down the line, in a fued with Kane that hasn't really been built up at all yet, apart from Kane's promo last week on RAW and whatever happened on this weeks RAW (Which I haven't seen because I live in England, and we get RAW Friday nights).

Also with Eddie Guerrero, they wouldn't have him beat Brock Lesnar, and one of the greatest WWE wrestlers of all time Angle, for him then to lose the belt to JBL (even though Im liking the gimmick).

:y:

[Mayo]

Thing is...Kane does look really weak right now. He didn't really go over on matt Hardy because they kiled the story too soon, he needed help to win the battle royal, and Eugene just made him look like a fool. And that's just in the last 3 weeks.

Like you said, the only way this could work is if the Benoit/Kane feud goes on for a couple months. And during that time Kane is booked to destroy anyone in his path; have Benoit 'outwrestle' Kane once or twice before dropping the belt, and then have the final match be a stipulaiton bout that actually headlinse whatever PPV it's on.

Otherwise, it just makes Benoit look weak w/o really helping Kane.

This couldn't be any truer. They left Kane in between storylines, his wrestling isnt that great, and hes been made to lose and look weak in the last few weeks. He couldn't even win the freakin' battle royal on his own, and he goes and loses to Eugene this week. All he has is the whole monster persona, and since WWE hasn't built that up too well, he definitely won't be seen by many people as a threat for the title. As many of you have said, he needs to destroy his opponents, and also get some wins over notable names to gain any shred of credibilty. This is going to be a pretty crappy match, and only a good stipulation would make is somewhat watchable.

[Vega]

I agree that Kane should get the belt next, but not for a few more months until Benoit really esablishes some credibility.

[Stickman]

I don't think Kane should get the belt. He just doesn't do it for me.

[Greendale]

To be honest, Benoit doesn't do anything with the belt either IMO, that's why I think he should lose it to Kane.

[Goldbird]

Lol, the previous dark_kane supporting kane. Not surprising though.


Btw, I also hope that Kane will win the title soon, but definitely not at Bad Blood. (purely because of the fact that I dont want to see Trips back in the world title picture)

[Kane Knight]

I don't think Kane should get the belt. He just doesn't do it for me.
Well, it'd be a shame for them to waste another Kane push...

But why break a perfect streak? The guy can't even go over on Mattitude, who spends half his time wrestling on HeAt.

[Lara Emily]

To be honest, Benoit doesn't do anything with the belt either IMO, that's why I think he should lose it to Kane.But he was decently built up to hold it. Not to mention none of what is happening right no can be blamed on Benoit. The fact of the matter is Kane has been made to look like a total fool lately and having him win the title now with no build up or anything would just hurt the title more and bury Benoit without really elevating Kane. A close match with Benoit pulling off a pin (a submission would not be ideal for Kane at the moment) would suffice in helping Kane get back on track.

[Lara Emily]

Not to mention no wrestler looks weak losing to Benoit.

[Favre4Ever]

What was the point of Triple H beating Jericho at WM18 just to drop it a month later just to lose it to Hogan? What was the point of Lesnar winning the title at WM19 just to drop it back to angle two Paperviews later? The point is, there havent been a whole lot of guys to add a bunch of credit to the title except HUGE names. The fact that Hogan, Rock, Austin and Taker have held that title alone is enough to give the title credit, no matter how the WWE dicks with it.
........However....i dont think the Smackdown Title is safe in the same way.....but thats a different topic for a different day.
To sum it all up, Chris Benoit losing the title isnt enough to discredit the belt, and i particularly wouldnt mind seeing it off him, if done in the right way.

[Rock Bottom]

Kane isn't winning the title at Bad Blood, that much I'm sure of. As far as saving face? Um, dream on? They have already buried Kane, to the point where my joy that he actually won the Battle Royal was overshadowed by the big joke the entire concept is. He is Benoit fodder right now. I just wish they'd have used someone else to do it.

But he's already beaten Michaels and HHH, I can't think of another guy that's better to feed him right now. Unless The Rock were to make an appearance and job to him, but I wouldn't count on that at this point.

I suppose the best solution would be to make Kane never submit, but rather pass out.

[Innovator]

I agree with Rock Bottom here, Kane passing out from the crossface would be the best way for Kane to save face.

[Batsu]

Yep. They used that with Benoit and Austin before.

We all saw what wonders that worked for Austin.

[Kane Knight]

But he was decently built up to hold it. Not to mention none of what is happening right no can be blamed on Benoit. The fact of the matter is Kane has been made to look like a total fool lately and having him win the title now with no build up or anything would just hurt the title more and bury Benoit without really elevating Kane. A close match with Benoit pulling off a pin (a submission would not be ideal for Kane at the moment) would suffice in helping Kane get back on track.
Kane winning right now would:

Make the title look weak: Kane's being booked like a tool. Every time he's got a remotely strong push, it's killed. Giving it to Kane basically says "This title isn't worth the material made to construct it."

Make Benoit look weak: Since Kane's being booked like a total tool, it's saying that Benoit can't manage a win

Nothing for Kane: So he wins a title that, by the very nature of his win, looks worthless. Yeah, big woop.

I say make Kane lose. Make him lose on his own terms, make him look credible and like a FUCKING MONSTER! Have him pull a psychotic break, snap on Benoit, and basically fuck himself out of the title. Have him look so Hell-Bent on DESTROYING Benoit that he doesn't care about winning. And if you do that, maybe, just MAYBE people will forget he did the job to Eugene.

[Lara Emily]

Kane winning right now would:

Make the title look weak: Kane's being booked like a tool. Every time he's got a remotely strong push, it's killed. Giving it to Kane basically says "This title isn't worth the material made to construct it."

Make Benoit look weak: Since Kane's being booked like a total tool, it's saying that Benoit can't manage a win

Nothing for Kane: So he wins a title that, by the very nature of his win, looks worthless. Yeah, big woop.

I say make Kane lose. Make him lose on his own terms, make him look credible and like a FUCKING MONSTER! Have him pull a psychotic break, snap on Benoit, and basically fuck himself out of the title. Have him look so Hell-Bent on DESTROYING Benoit that he doesn't care about winning. And if you do that, maybe, just MAYBE people will forget he did the job to Eugene.

Sounds good :y:

[c4g2]

Maybe this match can be settled by the stipulation that saved Eddie and Kurt's title reigns so often... DQ.

Situation 1: Benoit wins via DQ
Imagine Benoit being beaten to hell like what KK said. Kane is so mad at Benoit that he just unleashes all his rage on him. Imagine Kane putting Benoit through tables, making him bloody, and imagine Kane laughing maniacally as medics attend to Benoit...

Pros of that: Kane looks very good. He can at least save some of his psychopath image that way. Also, Benoit doesn't have to drop the title to him.

Cons of that: Benoit may lose some image that way. Anyone squashed is bound to look that way. Now I'm not saying Kane squashes Benoit in 5 min and gets DQed, but an entirely dominant Kane may make Benoit bad, like "Even Undertaker can beat him, even Edge can beat him, why can't the friggin' champ beat him?".

Situation 2: Kane wins via DQ
So this match is going to and fro, and no one can tell who is gonna win. Kane is signalling for the chokeslam. Benoit, in pure desperation, whacks him in the nuts as Kane is grabbing his throat.

Pros: A good way for Benoit to turn heel, if any. Benoit also doesn't have to drop the title to him. It also creates a "I'm going home with this belt and I'm going to do that, even to the measure of getting DQed" air around him. Kane can also avoid getting buried even more by destroying Benoit after the match, as if he was angry that he was screwed out of the title.

Cons: Benoit doesn't have the charisma to pull off that desparado image as said earlier.
Kane gets screwed again. And heels are supposed to screw people, not get screwed. It makes Kane weaker, because it's the 3rd time in four months he has failed to defeat a main-eventer. It makes him look a little like fodder.

I prefer Situation 1, period. I want Kane to win, but I don't think it is going to happen, by the zero build-up to this match. At least Kane doesn't look so much like a sissy after the match, compared to Situation 2.

Thoughts?

[Kane Knight]

Maybe this match can be settled by the stipulation that saved Eddie and Kurt's title reigns so often... DQ.

Situation 1: Benoit wins via DQ
Imagine Benoit being beaten to hell like what KK said. Kane is so mad at Benoit that he just unleashes all his rage on him. Imagine Kane putting Benoit through tables, making him bloody, and imagine Kane laughing maniacally as medics attend to Benoit...

Pros of that: Kane looks very good. He can at least save some of his psychopath image that way. Also, Benoit doesn't have to drop the title to him.

Cons of that: Benoit may lose some image that way. Anyone squashed is bound to look that way. Now I'm not saying Kane squashes Benoit in 5 min and gets DQed, but an entirely dominant Kane may make Benoit bad, like "Even Undertaker can beat him, even Edge can beat him, why can't the friggin' champ beat him?".
the problem is, it's the safest sitch in my estimation.

Any instance where KAne comes off looking strong runs the risk of Benoit looking weak. However, this has the least collateral damage in my opinion.


Kane is not the world title holder. This should be stressed because of how much of a jobber he's been of late.
Kane still comes off as pretty strong, because Benoit's a solid guy, and Kane really only loses because he's not playing the same game.
Benoit still has the strap. I never thought I'd be able to use that phrase, so I figured I'd throw it in. :D
Kane can be easily integrated into a main even program where he sets out to destroy Benoit, or whatever.
Benoit isn't totally chumped out. He might look weak, he might not, but at least he doesn't truly lose. If the title exhanges hands, it looks even dodgier for Chris.
Personally, i like the idea of Kane No-Selling the Crossface. Imagine him taking the Crossface from Benoit, then just totally flipping?

[Pepsi Man]

What was the point of Triple H beating Jericho at WM18 just to drop it a month later just to lose it to Hogan? What was the point of Lesnar winning the title at WM19 just to drop it back to angle two Paperviews later? The point is, there havent been a whole lot of guys to add a bunch of credit to the title except HUGE names. The fact that Hogan, Rock, Austin and Taker have held that title alone is enough to give the title credit, no matter how the WWE dicks with it.
........However....i dont think the Smackdown Title is safe in the same way.....but thats a different topic for a different day.
To sum it all up, Chris Benoit losing the title isnt enough to discredit the belt, and i particularly wouldnt mind seeing it off him, if done in the right way.
If you're talking about the Raw World Heavyweight Championship, it really wasn't held by Hogan, Rock, Austin, OR Taker. It's the SmackDown! "WWE Championship" that carries that lineage with it.

Of course, some argue that the World Heavyweight Championship of Raw contains the WCW World Heavyweight Championship lineage. If that's the case, Hogan and Rock then have held it, but so have David Arquette and Vince Russo.

[c4g2]

Personally, i like the idea of Kane No-Selling the Crossface. Imagine him taking the Crossface from Benoit, then just totally flipping?
That'll be totally cool. The Crossface has been built up to be unstoppable. If Kane can get out of it, it'll improve other people's opinions of him.

[Edge]

Kane just is not the right challenger for Benoit at this point. He has not done enough to earn his moment in the sun. the only reason Kane won that 20 man over the rope match on Raw was because of Shawn Michaels. Call me crazy but I thought Kane was in a Matt Hardy/Lita storyline. You can't just drop something like that or it will make the wwe look like one big soap - opra. And as for this feud, the wwe have done a crap job of that to. They are going to have to really have to spice this feud up and have Kane kick some ass which would also make Kane look no longer week, I mean if they give Kane the upper hand on this feud they could make him look like a monster like he use to. I guess Kane winning the title at BB would be sweet AS LONG AS THEY make this feud last heading into the next ppv which I don't see happening there for Benoit is most likely to win this bad boy.

[c4g2]

^ What is bad boy? :?:

[LK]

I agree that Kane should win the title at some point this year but I would prefer if Benoit beats Kane right now. I actually like Kane Knight's idea of Kane just going crazy and getting himself disqualified. Then the feud can go on for a few months and throughout this time Kane destroys everything in his path and then Kane can win the title at Summerslam or the next Raw PPV.

[Edge]

^ What is bad boy? :?:

Don't worrie. ;)