View Full Version : Can TNA be competition to the WWE now?
Jordan
06-05-2004, 07:38 PM
The reviews seem really positive, for Impact! Although, by the end of the summer they will need a new timeslot, primetime. Hopefully their ratings are good enough, I would sure love to see someone come close to giving WWE a decent run, a decent war. I belive it could happen. I hope so at least.
HeartBreakMan2k
06-05-2004, 07:44 PM
No.
CBright7831
06-05-2004, 07:46 PM
Nope.
As long as it's not on a Monday/Thursday night, Vince isn't scared.
loopydate
06-05-2004, 08:00 PM
One show down? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to tell.
The Naitch
06-05-2004, 08:06 PM
I see potential
The CyNick
06-05-2004, 08:13 PM
Right now, no they are not competition for the WWE. Well, maybe in terms of PPV, but the numbers they draw really have no impact on the WWE's numbers.
In the future, its possible, but the better is on the fact that TNA will be out of business within the next year or so due to the costs associated with the new show. Hopefully this doesn't happen, but I got a good feeling it will.
Mr. JL
06-05-2004, 08:13 PM
does anyone know when the ratings for Impact will be known to the world?
The Naitch
06-05-2004, 08:15 PM
what's Sean O'Haire been up to these days?
Azriel
06-05-2004, 08:17 PM
Like CBright said, they're on different nights, so I think WWE is safe for right now.
The CyNick
06-05-2004, 08:20 PM
does anyone know when the ratings for Impact will be known to the world?
I'm not sure if ratings get released on the weekend. Because usually Velocity/Heat ratings dont get reported until Monday or Tuesday. But if it they do release numbers on the weekend then it should be out by now. Cable ratings for Monday Night RAW are usually available the next day by 4PM, so using that logic Impact ratings should be out already unless like I said they are lazy on the weekends.
Nowhere Man
06-05-2004, 08:48 PM
TNA may end up developing a good product that, to dedicated fans, could serve as a nice alternative to the WWE. However, to the rest of the world, they're just another wrestling show, but without the money, big names, production quality, or recognition value of Vince's show. Chances are, they'll flop faster than ECW when it got its TNN deal.
I haven't seen a single TNA show or PPV ever, so I couldn't say anything. Plus, we don't get Fox Sports here in Canada on regular cable, so I won't be watching it in the near future either.
This is the last chance that TNA really has to succeed as a solid business. Ever since last year they've had financial problems since last year due to their weekly PPV's failing to make a profit. From what I'm told, TNA Impact has six months to succeed, and the ratings have to be there because their production values and open contracts to the indy stars are costing them big.
mrslackalack
06-05-2004, 10:32 PM
A lot of people thought WCW Monday Nitro would fail and it won the ratings war 84 weeks in a row TNA does have their work cut out for them but i'd rather watch a X-Divison match anyday over a WWE cruiserweight match and with the young superstars like chris sabin, A.J. Styles and Chris Harris TNA will stay around a while and if they do end up competing with the WWE i think vince will do something to sturdy the WWE. TNA has had some great matches like the ult X the americas cup and matches like the AMW- XXX cage match and Jarrett-Raven among many others. I think by this time next year we will see if TNA is for real
A lot of people thought WCW Monday Nitro would fail and it won the ratings war 84 weeks in a row TNA does have their work cut out for them but i'd rather watch a X-Divison match anyday over a WWE cruiserweight match and with the young superstars like chris sabin, A.J. Styles and Chris Harris TNA will stay around a while and if they do end up competing with the WWE i think vince will do something to sturdy the WWE. TNA has had some great matches like the ult X the americas cup and matches like the AMW- XXX cage match and Jarrett-Raven among many others. I think by this time next year we will see if TNA is for real
I may be new, but i'll tell you before anyone else does:
Try using spellcheck to correct your grammar, and separate your thoughts into paragraphs. People won't take your points seriously if they can't understand what you write.
A lot of people thought WCW Monday Nitro would fail and it won the ratings war 84 weeks in a row TNA does have their work cut out for them but i'd rather watch a X-Divison match anyday over a WWE cruiserweight match and with the young superstars like chris sabin, A.J. Styles and Chris Harris TNA will stay around a while and if they do end up competing with the WWE i think vince will do something to sturdy the WWE. TNA has had some great matches like the ult X the americas cup and matches like the AMW- XXX cage match and Jarrett-Raven among many others. I think by this time next year we will see if TNA is for realI agree that the qulaity of matches are spectacular, but there are several facotrs to consider as to why TNA cannot compete with WWE at the present moment.
Mainly though:
1. The majority, if not all of TNA's roster are composed of open contract superstars; meaning they're competing in indy feds as well as TNA, and Jerry Jarrett can terminate their contracts without losing money.
2. TNA's focus in on matches for the most part. Promos and angles aren't as consistent as on a WWE program. The average "mark" (note the difference between a "smark" and a "mark") is interested in entertainment even if it means deviating from the traditional wrestling aspect by including redundant angles, prolonged promos, and boobies ;) .
3. TNA is struggling financially due to several expeditures: signing big names such as Hogan, Piper, Sting, Dusty, etc. to open contracts agreed to only a few appearances, high productions values which was obvious if you watched Impact, and the fall of weekly PPV buyrates.
FourFifty
06-06-2004, 01:43 AM
I totally respect TNA, and they can be a threat... Regardless, before they can make a dent in the WWE, they need more viewers... and... I don't know... a world wide target for viewers.
Kane Knight
06-06-2004, 03:19 AM
The short answer: NWA is competition.
They can't not be. They're the only other game in town. The question is more can they be adequate competition?
I'd like to think yes. In fact, I hope they will be, but I can't see it happening. I liked Impact this week and all, but really, I don't see this becoming a real threat to the WWE unless they really pick it up. With an hour a week and Jarret as Champ, I don't see a lot of room unless they smarten up fast. FSN might be forgiving, and diehard wrestling fans might as well, but the casual fan won't be, and they're the ones needed to get big ratings.
I hope they grow and prosper. We need some real competition to the WWE, and maybe they won't suck as much anymore.
FourFifty
06-06-2004, 03:25 AM
The short answer: NWA is competition.
They can't not be. They're the only other game in town. The question is more can they be adequate competition?
I'd like to think yes. In fact, I hope they will be, but I can't see it happening. I liked Impact this week and all, but really, I don't see this becoming a real threat to the WWE unless they really pick it up. With an hour a week and Jarret as Champ, I don't see a lot of room unless they smarten up fast. FSN might be forgiving, and diehard wrestling fans might as well, but the casual fan won't be, and they're the ones needed to get big ratings.
I hope they grow and prosper. We need some real competition to the WWE, and maybe they won't suck as much anymore.
Very good point :yes: :y:
Wish I could change my vote from too early to yes... :?:
I <3 Negros
06-06-2004, 03:33 AM
They very easily could if they keep up good shows and incorporate good solid stories. The younger talent will only help their show as it did with WWE Attitude era, by promoting to the young people and not having to book anyone on a consistent show to show basis. They do need a better timeslot and have wasted a lot of money thus far. But I believe if they continue on the path they're on while fasing out the Wednesday PPV's they can easily compete someday.If WWE wises up though and buys out the company which they can easily do then they squash the competition (which they can't due without risk of a monopoly lawsuit against them). So in short yes they could be competition.
Corkscrewed
06-06-2004, 04:19 AM
I'd like to see a better timeslot, but with the right moves, they can grow to become competition. The thing is, they're on such thin ice that they cannot afford to make any mistakes, AT ALL. Too bad they already have by signing, say, Hogan to like a total of two shows for sixty billion bucks. :-\
I don't thik TNA will be any compitition for the WWE due to their timeslot and the fact that they have thrown money around for no reason. How much do you think they payed Hogan for like the two shows he appeared on. And i doubt that Hogans appearence achieved much.
I don't think they are competition in any form at all.
Competition would be when TNA are in a position to take talent from WWE or negociate with any talent WWE wanted and when they can seriously take anything from the WWE fanbase to make it there own and become profitable.
They'll be dead within 6 months in my opinion.
Too early to tell... If they want to compete with WWE, they're going to need a diffrent network with a diffrent timeslot, because if they were to go to primetime on FSN, they would most likley be preempted in ATLEAST one city... And, I think to be successful, they need to be live, so it's got a better feeling than taped... Think of it as SmackDown, only another company... SmackDown is taped, and alot of people opt to read the spoilers as opposed to watching the show...
HankScorpio
06-06-2004, 10:18 AM
Way too early too tell, also two words: Jeff Jarrett, he could kill anything incuding impact!
Kane Knight
06-06-2004, 11:15 AM
I may be new, but i'll tell you before anyone else does:
Try using spellcheck to correct your grammar, and separate your thoughts into paragraphs. People won't take your points seriously if they can't understand what you write.
Thanks for saving me the trouble. :p
Kane Knight
06-06-2004, 11:16 AM
I'd like to see a better timeslot, but with the right moves, they can grow to become competition. The thing is, they're on such thin ice that they cannot afford to make any mistakes, AT ALL. Too bad they already have by signing, say, Hogan to like a total of two shows for sixty billion bucks. :-\
Yeah. It's really a shame that they're gonna do themselves in before people have a chance to really weigh them on their strengths and weaknesses.
Kane Knight
06-06-2004, 11:17 AM
They'll be dead within 6 months in my opinion.
And as much as I hope I'm wrong, and Rob's wrong, I think this is pretty accurate.
Kane Knight
06-06-2004, 11:18 AM
Way too early too tell, also two words: Jeff Jarrett, he could kill anything incuding impact!
I hear Triple H has been asking if Impact! is seeing anyone...:shifty:
Nowhere Man
06-06-2004, 12:15 PM
Way too early too tell, also two words: Jeff Jarrett, he could kill anything incuding impact!
Wait, that's eight words :shifty:
Right now, no they are not competition for the WWE. Well, maybe in terms of PPV, but the numbers they draw really have no impact on the WWE's numbers.
In the future, its possible, but the better is on the fact that TNA will be out of business within the next year or so due to the costs associated with the new show. Hopefully this doesn't happen, but I got a good feeling it will.
Yeah I agree. I can see them spending big on wrestlers, hopeing that ticket sales, T.V deals and merchandise will rise, and then realise they have overspent. It's har for anyone to become in competition with the WWE, they would have to spend huge amounts of money to be up there, although ECW was low budget, they were never going to be up their with the WWE.
Boondock Saint
06-06-2004, 03:36 PM
No they are currently not in a position to be competition with WWE.
One day I hope so, yes.
Joe Kerr
06-06-2004, 03:47 PM
currently
no
reasons
1. An hour long show
2. Horrible time slot
3. once a week
4. the six sided ring needs to be for certain special events its to big of a change.
5. TNA-NWA is shades of ECW eventually it will die out or go Bankrupt.
The Ravishing One
06-06-2004, 03:47 PM
No.
Jordan
06-06-2004, 05:01 PM
The thing I think will hold them back is that, they can't focus on WCW and WWE b-list stars... I mean Road Dogg, could be a great addition to their roster, but don't put him in the main event. People will see that and think that they are just the b-team. Jeff Jarrett is a good main event, but not one to build the promotion around... the x-division, and old school wrestling, is their key to success... for instance, Raven/Jarrett, that match was just awsome... not because the wrestling was great, but the hype behind it, and the story, it was really fun to be apart of. That's what the WWE is missing, it's not really fun to be apart of the angles they have going on. They need to not try to be WWE, which in my opinion, they are doing pretty well... I don't think that in six months they will be dead, I think in a few years, they will be WCW to the WWE... it's all the same... think back, way back to the early 90's, when WCW first formed, they had small crowds, they tried new things that sucked, but eventually they found something that worked, but the problem with that was they ran with it and beat it over our heads for so long nobody cared. But eventually they were as good as the WWF, just in a few years. Now, the Jarrett's don't have Ted Turners money, but they do have PPV, and national TV. And every commercial that they put out helps them out so much, just to see there is another wrestling show, people will watch it, cause there hasn't been any in what, 4 years now? Now, this will not happen over night, there will be problems, but every promotion starts somewhere, just give them time and don't doubt them. Try and support them because if you really think about it, TNA can save wrestling forever.
Jordan
06-06-2004, 05:06 PM
2. TNA's focus in on matches for the most part. Promos and angles aren't as consistent as on a WWE program. The average "mark" (note the difference between a "smark" and a "mark") is interested in entertainment even if it means deviating from the traditional wrestling aspect by including redundant angles, prolonged promos, and boobies ;) .
I disagree, most people I know that don't watch wrestling anymore, don't watch because there isn't enough wrestling, and if there is wrestling, then it isn't very good. Raw has picked up a bit, but not like it could. Four minute matches with Matt Hardy and Christain are just unaceptable, they need fifteen minutes, then watch the raitings go up. People watch wrestling for wrestling. People have this idea that the casual fan watches wrestling for the diva's or the angles, while they may when the angles are good, mainly they just like to have fun while watching people kill each other.
Originally posted by Rob
I don't think they are competition in any form at all.
Competition would be when TNA are in a position to take talent from WWE or negociate with any talent WWE wanted and when they can seriously take anything from the WWE fanbase to make it there own and become profitable.
You are 100% correct. If the WWE wanted they could probably take anybody they wanted from TNA but TNA wouldn't be able to take the stars of the WWE.
Oh yeah and BTW Rob Darren Fletcher is God.
HeartBreakMan2k
06-06-2004, 07:50 PM
I don't think they are competition in any form at all.
Competition would be when TNA are in a position to take talent from WWE or negociate with any talent WWE wanted and when they can seriously take anything from the WWE fanbase to make it there own and become profitable.
They'll be dead within 6 months in my opinion.
I wish I disagree with any of this, but I honestly don't.
Can't be much competition if I live in the biggest city in the country and TNA isn't avalable to me.
Oh yeah and BTW Rob Darren Fletcher is God.
:nono:
John Terry and Frank Lampards are Gods :yes:
I wish I disagree with any of this, but I honestly don't.
Dude, I wish I could disagree with it.
:nono:
John Terry and Frank Lampards are Gods :yes:
Shut up
Loose Cannon
06-07-2004, 05:51 PM
Way too early too tell, also two words: Jeff Jarrett, he could kill anything incuding impact!
Hell, if I was going national on TV with my product, I would put the belt on an established star who has wrestled for the WWF and WCW and held major Titles there. I mean, Jarrett is there best guy to put the belt on going into this thing IMO. What if Ron Killings was champ going into Impact. People would see that he was K-Quick IN WWF and he was a jobber there. Makes no sense to put the belt on someone who was seen as a nobody in the WWF. Same thing with Styles. Nobody knows who the hell he is. Give the belt to Jarrett snd people are like, "Hey, I know him, he was a big superstar in WWF and WCW. So to me it seems logical to put the belt on Jarrett for now.
The CyNick
06-07-2004, 05:58 PM
I mean Jarrett as a main event is pretty horrible, but TNA literally has nobody else, so they have no other choice.
The One
06-07-2004, 06:02 PM
Let me say this...NWA-TNA is no more a competition to WWE then MLW is. The fact is WWE is reigning supreme and there is NOTHING that anyone can do about it. It's the truth. Back in the early 90's WCW = Poor Man's WWF because all they had was some of WWF's B-Talent. It wasn't until WCW got Hogan, Nash and Hall that it became a threat. If NWA wants to get noticed big time they would need Austin, Goldberg, Hogan, Lesnar, etc. (Notice I put all free agents right now) the problem is TNA dosn't have the financial ability to get any of them.
To say TNA is a threat to WWE is like saying ECW was a threat to WWF. Yeah they have some good guys, some inventive ideas, and some great matches, but until they get the big name guys....or until they can find a Diamond in the Rough to build the entire company around (and no AJ Styles isn't it...I'm talking someone like Hogan back in the 80's) they will always be just a B-Level company.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE NWA-TNA. I am more faithful to them then WWE. But my opinions, and the opinions of all the internet smarts around combined dosn't matter in the big scheme of things. Vince has the image of Professional Wrestling tied to WWE, so no one in the day to day world would ever even think of NWA when they think of Wrestling...infact I am willing to bet that not do most non wrestling fans know what NWA-TNA is, I bet most WWE fans don't even know.
That having been said, NWA is on the rise in popularity. Most everyone who has seen is enjoys it, and I think it will be a very profitable in the future...but no real threat to WWE's supremacy.
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