How I Would FIX Smack Down!

[Mr. JL]

SMACK DOWN!


WWE Championship Picture
Eddie Guerrero is doing great as a champion and it is probally just the only thing the WWE is doing right with Smack Down! End his feud with JBL at the Great American Bash and have Guerrero move on to face RVD.


ECW Invasion
Paul Heyman & Rob Van Dam. Have Heyman cut one of his classic promo's and have RVD turn heel and attack Guerrero. We need to see the cocky asshole RVD that we saw in ECW. I guarentee you that a Guerrero-RVD feud in the main event would certainly spark alot of fans interests! Throw in Rhyno & the Dudley Boyz too.


United States Championship Picture
John Cena VERSUS Booker T & Theodore Long


Undertaker-Mordecai Feud. Build up this bitter feud and just have these guys demolish each other in brutal matches. Casket Matches, Inferno Matches, Buried Alive. Ending in Mordecai burying the Undertaker alive and 'retiring' the Dead Man for good. Mordecai would look like the MAN!


Doug Basham versus Danny Basham
I've heard these two carried OVW with their blood feud. Might be a little early for it though but it could serve as a proving ground that they will become stars one day.


Cruiserweight Division
The cruiserweight division is at an all time low. Chavo Classic is pretty funny to watch though but I'm a WRESTLING fan and I don't tune in for comedy or the storylines. Want to make the cruiserweight division catch fans attention?

Let Akio, Paul London and Shannon Moore fly! These three are the next generation of Mysterio's, Dragon's, Juventud's. I swear if you give these guys at least 15 minutes in the ring, decisive victories over guys like Chavo, Noble, Spike, Kidman and maybe even Mysterio then fans will tune in and the cruiserweight division will be hotter than EVER!

By the way... F'N get Tajiri and Hurricane over on Smack Down~!

Oh and make Smack Down! LIVE...

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SO! Do you think that would FIX Smack Down!?
Yes, this is the biggest arm chair booking ever..

[Shadow]

You are...the man.

[Favre4Ever]

Alot of the angles everyone's providing are designed solely to end feuds. " Retire the deadman, JBL sucks, the cruiserweights are rancid",blah, blah, blah.While all of things things are mostly true,if handled right, these things dont have to end right away. When Bradshaw loses to Guerrero, put him in a feud with John Cena for the U.S. Title.

The Undertaker jobbing to everyone is the worst idea i've heard in a while, and its been pissing me off that everyone "likes him" but wants him to lose. Come guys. Let the guy continue to entertain us, he's a conerstone of the WWE. Jobbing to everyone all the way down to Orlando Jordan isn't gonna make the fans happy.

Lastly, one of the great things that i remembered about storylines from 1998-2001 was that when feuds ended, there was still "ttension" between wrestlers. Triple H and SCSA werent always involved, but we know they hated each other. We knew Kurt Angle hated the Rock. We knew that Kane could show up at anytime and beat up anyone. And we all knew that the Undertaker and Kane had a whole lot of history, but they had plenty of side feuds. There was always a chance that these two could meet up again.

What i'm saying is this is how things need to be. Guerrero and Bradshaw, Mordecai and the Undertaker, Cena, Booker T , RVD, all of these guys need to be involved somehow with each other and be able to spin a story like it was no problem. Thats why Jericho and Angle had such success: they feuded with literally EVERYONE. Lets get some emotion into the writing, ya monkeys.

[Favre4Ever]

I forgot to mention, your post ideas are sweet.

[Mr. JL]

Another feud to add to SD!

JBL V. Rene Dupree
*Have Rene & Mysterio has a highly competitive and LONG match on Smack Down! At the beginning of the match have Rene act like the snobbish frenchmen that he is. However, during the bout his mannerisms will start to change into respect. In the end have Mysterio pick up the victory. Have Mysterio extend his hand out in respect. Just as it looks like Rene might shake Mysterio's hand... WHAM!

JBL nails Mysterio from behind (this is after he loses his feud with Guerrero). Rene questions JBL. JBL then turns on Rene and "injures" him.

Have Rene come back a week or two later cutting a promo where "he's done alot of thinking after his match with Mysterio and the injury he suffered from JBL." Rene then says something to the extent that JBL is nothing but a ignorant american (*BOO from the crowd) ...pause... and that me, Rene Dupree is nothing but a ignorant frenchmen.

Then Rene says that he used to act and be like JBL, only that he was french and not american. He then says that his actions were wrong.

Rene a frenchman turns face and feuds with a heel American JBL. Rene would be pretty sweet to cheer for if he became a humble and modest Frenchman that respects America. I think it would also be the first time a french character was a face in front of American fans.

[The CyNick]

I like the idea of going to RVD-Eddie, and I can see it happening. Although, I know RVD got some heat recently for being late to shows, so who knows, maybe he'll be punished for the next few years.

But yeah, a heel RVD with an ECW stable would definately make for a good fued for Eddie. The good thing about that one is that they could hold off rushing Angle to the main events, and bring him back much slower, and then after the RVD-Eddie program ends, go to Angle-Eddie.

Someone on another forum I frequent suggested doing an Elimination Chamber match as the main event for Summerslam on the Smackdown side. I think that would be a great idea, and might be a decent way to start the Eddie-RVD program. You could have Eddie pin RVD in the match, RVD salutes him like he respects him, and then after the match when Eddie wins, he comes back with the Dudleys and lays a beating on him in the cage.

JBL-Cena I like as well. Cena is like a corporate guy, and would work well in a program with Cena. Actually, I dont think it would be the worst idea to have JBL take the title from Cena. Eventually Cena is going to have to move up, so why not give the "Great American" the "US" title?

I think Mysterio needs a solid prgram because he's too good not to be used as a mojr focal point (although I think he's battling some injuries).

[Shadow]

Man oh Man. I hear the same idea everyone has been thinking about. RVD-Eddie. That's a great idea. Bring back the famous Frogsplash vs. Frogsplash matches. Put em on ladders, put them in cages. Heel or Face id doesn't matter. Those two can carry each other to 10 star matches.

JBL-Cena
That seems good. I'd actually enjoy that if they let Cena rap. And I mean really let him rap. Let him cut a few rap promos where he kicks some major JBL ass. Then, as a termination of the fued, let JBL have the belt. And that leads too...

JBL-Renne Dupree
With Renne not going to get the US title belt off of Cena, have him turn face and win it off of JBL. With that humble frenchman gimmiack. Eventually you could have him go back to the arrogent Frenchman but until then, have him kick JBL's ass.

CW
Oh I don't know how to fix this thing. Wait, yes I do. Let them fly. Seriouslly. Put the belt back on Chavo and just let the CWs fly. Have them have intense, flying matches. Hell, have a period of a month where every single CW gets the belt. Then lay the belt on Shannon Moore for a while.

That's just some of my ideas.

[John la Rock]

Another RVD/Guerrero feud would rock :drool:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I would personally have Hardcore Holly/Billy Gunn lead the tag division as two heels who are more experienced and have paid their dues, and self-professed lockerroom leaders, gimmick wise.

I'd hate to see them break up, but a Charlie Haas/Rene Dupree tag team could be gold. But right now have Rene start a feud against Angle leading into Summerslam.

-I'd like to see Chavo Guerrero tease a face turn, as he can pu ton some high flying matches with Paul London, etc. while Classic only retins as Chavo Guerrero does something spectacular to help him win.

-John Cena and Kenzo Suzuki could start a feud for the US Title, hile Kyo Dai act as followers of the big man. Funaki and Ultimo Dragon (if he ever returns) could feud with Kyo Dai. If not, a Mafia/Yakuza feud with the FBI could be interesting.

-Tazz joining Paul Heyman as his US Title contender would be great. Maybe Nunzio or Nova could debut as his Cruiserweight member. I wouldn't mind seeing Tommy Dreamer and Rob Van Dam join too.

[cream]

I really like the idea of an ECW stable just as long as they get a different name. ECW was a company not a name for a stable.

Only problem is, if they have all the extreme guys( rvd, dudleys, rhyno, dreamer maybe)wouldnt the fans first rreaction be to cheer them? The only way to stop the face pop would be to limit their "extreme" moves.

[big_bluto]

Man oh Man. I hear the same idea everyone has been thinking about. RVD-Eddie. That's a great idea. Bring back the famous Frogsplash vs. Frogsplash matches. Put em on ladders, put them in cages. Heel or Face id doesn't matter. Those two can carry each other to 10 star matches.

JBL-Cena
That seems good. I'd actually enjoy that if they let Cena rap. And I mean really let him rap. Let him cut a few rap promos where he kicks some major JBL ass. Then, as a termination of the fued, let JBL have the belt. And that leads too...

JBL-Renne Dupree
With Renne not going to get the US title belt off of Cena, have him turn face and win it off of JBL. With that humble frenchman gimmiack. Eventually you could have him go back to the arrogent Frenchman but until then, have him kick JBL's ass.

CW
Oh I don't know how to fix this thing. Wait, yes I do. Let them fly. Seriouslly. Put the belt back on Chavo and just let the CWs fly. Have them have intense, flying matches. Hell, have a period of a month where every single CW gets the belt. Then lay the belt on Shannon Moore for a while.

That's just some of my ideas.
Not an original word in there..... :(

[big_bluto]

First off, Mr JL - solid post! Liked your ideas.

The idea of RVD turning heel is mouth-watering stuff, but we always run the risk of WWE watering it down.

I'd love to see a rerun of the matches that Eddie and RVD had a few years back, but I'd also like to see Angle involved in it somehow.
If Angle can wrestle or not is irrelevant. That guy is golden on the mic and can use that to get them both over even more.

Here's how I would love to see it start:
RVD and Eddie are still faces and are having a feud over who has the best frogsplash - spectacular matches, great fun.

As a sideline to this, Eddie and RVD are competing all over the place, every opportunity. Basically in the sideline they are trying to out-do each other in every way, including playing practical jokes on other wrestlers in the locker-room. Basically this goes on for a while, much hilarity ensues, and lifts the 'face' image of both.
Angle calls them both into his office, gives them a bollocking for turning Torrie green or something, and then they both start competing to get Angle with practical jokes, and all the while, they have absolute stand-out matches.
Winner helps the loser to his feet, handshakes after matches, etc, two great faces showing friendship and respect for each other.
Angle keeps getting punk'd by them and the viewing would be fantastic! It would totally lift Smackdown, and Angle would add so much comedy to Eddie and RVD and elevate the status of RVD back to as high as he has ever been.

Then the twist.....
Eddie & RVD do something that really pisses Angle off, so he puts them into a steel cage match.
Eddie & RVD go at it, and just when it looks like Eddie is gonna win, the Dudleys jump out, batter the crap out of him, and 'HEEL' RVD strolls out of the cage with the title.
The fans would be going ballistic, because RVD has turned at the height of his popularity and turned his back on Eddie and the fans.

This is when RVD is the Whole F'n Show! :yes:
This is when RVD just oozes arrogance, cockiness, and shows it too! :yes:

Plus it might even make Smackdown a watchable show for a while!

That's what I want to see for the next title challenger after the GAB, assuming that they don't give the belt to Bradsh</>it.



Will post my thoughts on the Cruiserweights, Undertaker, the Tag division, an ECW stable, Mordecai and others later today as I get time to post them.

[Doink]

What i'm saying is this is how things need to be. Guerrero and Bradshaw, Mordecai and the Undertaker, Cena, Booker T , RVD, all of these guys need to be involved somehow with each other and be able to spin a story like it was no problem. Thats why Jericho and Angle had such success: they feuded with literally EVERYONE. Lets get some emotion into the writing, ya monkeys.

how about mordecai steals the undertakers urn or he is secretly behind the idea of the dudleys kidknapping paul bearer as they went to him for advice, this would start the undertaker/mordecai fued.

eddie and rvd :y:

cena one is easy in my eyes, kurt strips cena of the u.s title and awards it to ......







himself, it sounds farfetched but with hayman back on the scene he could share gm duties so this way ecw style matches can come in through hayman (why else still have him round after he resigned?) and angle can say he's faked the injury jus so he could screw the right person - cena.

at the same time you would get booker t pissed at kurt for screwing him after he's done his dirty work and also you get dupree pissed as he is arrogant enough to go after kurt the all american gold medalist as this would be a good feather in his cap!

[big_bluto]

how about mordecai steals the undertakers urn or he is secretly behind the idea of the dudleys kidknapping paul bearer as they went to him for advice, this would start the undertaker/mordecai fued.

eddie and rvd :y:

cena one is easy in my eyes, kurt strips cena of the u.s title and awards it to ......







himself, it sounds farfetched but with hayman back on the scene he could share gm duties so this way ecw style matches can come in through hayman (why else still have him round after he resigned?) and angle can say he's faked the injury jus so he could screw the right person - cena.

at the same time you would get booker t pissed at kurt for screwing him after he's done his dirty work and also you get dupree pissed as he is arrogant enough to go after kurt the all american gold medalist as this would be a good feather in his cap!


^^ WTF kind of creative ideas are they?
Are you Stephanie McMahon?

[Doink]

^^ WTF kind of creative ideas are they?
Are you Stephanie McMahon?

rumbled


*Stephanie leaves via the back door*


anyway like your idea's as angle would be great at being in on the practical jokes and i can see it working, the only bit i dont like is the steelcage match and the dudleys, there could be a better way to do this, eg the dudleys beat up rvd in the cage, eddie helps, tag match formed dudleys v rvd and eddie but before the match paul hayman is in rvd's face and then during the match eddie needs help rvd walks away, .......




hang on this is the usual bollocks they do, we'll jus stick with yours until i can think of something else!

[big_bluto]

Alright then - WWE TAG Division

Smackdown's tag teams at present are laughable - literally.

Rico & Charlie Haas are gold right now. Superbly entertaining, plenty wrestling and a load of novel moves. Bit light on the tag team moves, but that will come, but sadly they seem to be the only tag team around and are carrying the titles because there is no competition.

Smackdown needs to get a load of low-carders, mid-carders, current tag team members, and some cruiserweights, and get them all into a 'Tag-Team Raffle'.
The guys that they aren't going to do anything with for the immediate future.
Basically put all the names into a hat, and all these wrestlers who are drawn are paired up. No trades, no exemptions, 16 wrestlers who have to make tag-teams up.
Tell them they are going into a tournament for a number one contender slot, and run it over 4 Smackdowns up to a PPV where they get a shot at the WWE Tag titles. That would get things started.
After that you can opperate a league system where a team has to have a certain amount of points to challenge, say 10 points?, and they are scored on match results - 2 points for a win, -2 for a loss.
This could make for great feuds from on-form tag teams & champs, triple threats, etc.

Now then, behind the scenes, WWE should also make it clear to these wrestlers that the only thing they are going to be doing for the next 4-6 months is tag matches.
They have to work together and come up with team-moves, they have 3 weeks to come up with a name for their team, a gimmick, whatever - as long as they stand out a bit, and give the commentators something to work with.

WWE could also make it clear to them that unless they can perform well as a tag team, they will stay as a tag team until they can prove otherwise - no singles matches, no title shots, nothing!

What this will achieve is:
1. some very strange tag combinations,
2. some solid tag combinations,
3. overall some very interesting tag-teams who will be together for at least 4 or 5 months.
4. The division will run for a good length of time,
5. these teams will stay together (barring injury) until they can prove themselves competent to challenge for the CW, US or WWE titles.
6. the ability for the fans to get behind some real teams for an extended period of time
7. Allow people like us to hold discussions on the quality, merits and potential of each team
8. Make the WWE Tag Titles a desired commodity, something worth fighting for and something to aim for



Right not the titles are a complete joke, are basically worthless, and only worth watching for the Rico & Haas performances.
At the very least, this would generate a little excitement.

To follow:
Cruiserweights, Undertaker, Mordecai, the Smackdown women and anything else I've forgotten.

[Chris316]

three ways to fix smackdown

1) merge the tag team division with raw, and have them on both shows

this would give both brands a better tag team divison and always keeping it fresh, this would also stop them of giving the titles to make shift tag teams like benoit and edge because with benoit as champ they wouldn't want him on smackdown, this could create a decent tag team division

2) get serious about the cruiserweight division, and give them a decent amount of tv time, at least two cruiserweight matches on smackdown and dont ram the same crusier weights down or throat, give guys like moore, ultimo dragon and kidman a chance, move hurricane to smackdown, and generally give the big name cruiserweight like chavo and rey some competiton

3) re address, the talant shift between raw and smackdown, give smackdown it's chance to get people over, and create a genuine competion for raw, instead of holding them back because raw as the main show,

[big_bluto]

Time to address the 'ECW STABLE' thingy

As far as I've seen it, Paul Heyman is so far managing the Dudleys - nobody else at present, and his whole angle on this is that the Dudleys are shadows of their former selves, and need to get their ass in gear.
So the Dudleys listen up, proceed to be a bit angrier about stuff, and have some fun as heels.
Heymans angle in this is that he is sick of wrestlers being pussy's compared to what they are capable of.

Now this is where it gets strange.
Why is he after the Undertaker then?
Simply put, he isn't. It's to set up a feud.
Heyman isn't after Taker because that would be the most unbalanced stable in history. It'd just be downright stupid.

So who does he go after?
Criteria - someone who can be a badass, but is currently a bit watered-down.
Got to be a face then, and a face who can be badder than they are, or a languishing heel....

Got to be...
R V D

Now then, some other names spring to mind that fit into this group. Jamie Noble could do well, and Billy Gunn might actually be a good addition because of his size, and neither of them are doing anything else at present!
I would love to see Cena in this group, but it would do him more harm than good.
Even Booker T could do worse, but I don't think dragging Booker into a stable would benefit him at all, given he's in the twilight of his career.

What I would really like to see is Feuds with this stable from Eddie Guerrero, John Cena, Rey Mysterio and the Undertaker.

The stable need to be bad-ass and hardcore, but above all, SMART!
This is where Heyman comes into his element.
They also need to be able to challenge for every title on Smackdown, which they can with a group like the one above.

So that's my thoughts on that.
Not an ECW Stable, a Paul Heyman one.

[big_bluto]

Smackdown women:

This ones easy:
1. Stop wasting our time with this Bikini contest shit - either get your tits out or don't!
2. Either Valet or Wrestler - if you want to wrestle then go to RAW.
3. If any of you get put in storylines where you have to shag an old guy to death then quit. On the spot, just walk and do us all a favour.
4. Don't talk unless you know how to - if you're crap at it, then let someone else do it!
5. If you appeared in Playboy, then get over it. Thousands of women have done it - you're nothing special, so suck it up, and get on with things.

Vince McMahon - please stop kissing them, coz it's disgusting. I've no objection to seeing these particular girls getting kissed, but it's when you do it. Makes me want to Vom.

Now then, Sable can appear a total vicious bit</>ch when she turns it on, and she should do this sort of thing. She would make a great Valet/Manager to someone.

That's it for Smackdown women.
Now I don't want y'all to think that I think women have no place in wrestling, because I really enjoy the vast majority of womens matches on RAW. I just think that the women on Smackdown should stay away from wrestling, and stick to what they are good at.
If they're not good at that, then they should beat it.

[Doink]

big_bluto do us all a favour and f**k off.........












all the way to wwe and demand a job writing the story lines

[Doink]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to big_bluto again.

[big_bluto]

Undertaker: Ideas for the Deadman

[mrslackalack]

Ways to fix Smackdown (Part 10


1. Take the Cruiserweight Divison Seriously

Sometimes the WWE seems to showcase their cruiseweights and I thought after the great 20 Minute match between Rey and Chavo at No Way Out and the great but short CW open was going to show the cruiserweight divison as being stable since the WCW from 96 to early 99 when the divison was at its peak. but instead a woman wins it and then u put it on a 50 year old part time wrestler past his time! Seems like something Russo and Ferrera would do in their WCW days.

Point Given: Give Chavo,Kidman,Rey,Paul,Ultimo and others 15 minute high flying non stop matches as PPV Openers they will thrill the crowd and keep them live in later matches.


2. Have a new GM

Now I like Kurt Angle but injured or not hes a wrestler and not only a wrestler but a star as casual wrestling fans would tell you Angle and Taker are the two biggest stars on Smackdown! put Kurt on T.V. every week either wrestling or doing a promo he is that valuable to Smackdown as for a New GM if the ECW angle does take effect I would place someone equal to the angle like Terry Funk. Funk would be classic on the brand with a ECW stable and if used right would be a great GM. Now i know Funk was WCW Commish but look who was booking the company at that time.

3. When Sign New Talent send them to Smackdown


When the WWE promotes a OVW star or signs a International or Indy wrestler or even an Established Vet, send them to Smackdown to give more wrestlers a push or see more matches than the usual.


4. Smackdown needs a Stable

A stable with 2 Established Stars and 2 up and comers or a ECW stable would be perfect They need to put a Stable like this Together

A Stable managed by Theodore Long (you can put any wrestlers together but I like this Combo


Kurt Angle- Leader
Booker T- Veteran
Mark Jindrak- Can be pushed to U.S. title contender
Rodney Mack- The Big Bully Tought guy of the group (Sign him as a Free agent from RAW)


ECW Stable Paul Heyman (leader)

RVD- (Top Star World Title Contender)
Dudleyz (Tag Title Contender)
Lance Storm (ECW GM)
Rhyno (from Raw) (US title Contender0
Big Show (considering he has put on some good hardcore matches plus his real life friendship with Heyman)
FBI
Tajiri(from Raw) (Cruiseweight Title Contender

5. Keep pushing Rene Dupree

Hes only 20 a Great Heel with Charisma and got a good push with Cena now I am not saying put him on main eventing PPVs but push him into Big matches like Angle in his early years.

[big_bluto]

Undertaker: Ideas for the Deadman

There are a number of things they could do with the latest version of the Undertaker, especially with Paul Bearer tagging along.

The question is which direction to take it?

Here's my thoughts:


The first storyline that Taker was involved in since his return - Booker T.
I think that the line they took with Booker T was wrong.
Voodoo? Protection from the spirits of the dead?
As usual the storylines went nowhere half the time, and in the end, Booker T threw the dust in his eyes and taker wasn't affected. What a wasted opportunity! They could have taken this much further.
Now prior to all this taking place, they should have had Booker T fighting the Undertaker as Booker T. Give the fans the chance to see him fighting as himself, before he turns all weird.
As it was, the bookman saw there was a match with the Undertaker in the offing and immediately went running for help from a voodoo woman?
Yeah, right!

End result of the match they had?
Booker T got beat by an unaffected Undertaker.


So what to do with him for the future?
The Undertaker has been around for a long, long time, and is gonna retire sooner or later. Now I think it would be great if he could leave a legacy, so that 'The Deadman Is Immortal' or 'Lives Forever', etc.

I've also read a lot of talk on the boards about him reforming 'The Ministry'.
I would love to see this happen, but in reality, it just wouldn't work. Rehashing old ideas has been tried repeatedly, and it just doesn't work with todays audience.

If they're gonna form a crew around him, then they need to give things a new twist, and the potential for use of Mordecai in this is huge.

I reckon they should get Taker to 'control' someone. Take them over, make them obey his commands, etc.
Then they should get Mordecai to 'free' this guy, make him immune to Takers 'Powers'. This starts the Undertaker v Mordecai feud.
It's at this point that things get interesting.
They have some matches and beat the crap out of each other, and in the background, pushing the story along, Undertaker is busy converting someone else, and Mordecai tries to stop him, but Undertaker actually coverts Mordecai
That's when the Undertaker, Mordecai and Paul Bearer gain a couple of disciples - say The Bashams?

The potential for the special effects crew is staggering, and if I was Vince I would have them working on this night & day.
The only problem with all of this is the time it would take for the entrances of taker and mordecai - they'd have to start them on Velocity!

Anyway, the new ministry could challenge for most of the titles on Smackdown, and longer term, when the Undertaker eventually retires, Mordecai is around to continue the Church of Darkness thing.

This ministry could be the crew that would eventually feud as heels against 'Paul Heymans crew', turning them back to faces.
Can you imagine Undertaker, the Bashams, and Mordecai in a running feud with RVD, The Dudleys, Jamie Noble and possible Billy Gunn?
Throw in stipulations and special effects?
Woohoo!

The length of this feud could easily run for a year, but I wouldn't think for much longer, and is pretty irrelevant of titles.
In the meantime, members can have matches with pretty much anyone, under the guise of 'recruiting new members'.

That's my ideas on that. Personally I preferred when he came out on the bikes....

[Favre4Ever]

Whats up with everybody digging Mark Jindrak? No WAY should he been going for the U.S. Title. I don't mean to ruin anybodys parade, but i hope he never gets off of Velocity before a guy like Orlando Jordan. And i dont dog Jordan, i think he could he could be the next Ken Shamrock, if thats a compliment.

[big_bluto]

I don't dig Mark Jindrak. :nono:

I haven't seen him do anything worthy of adoration yet.
Neither have I seen anything particularly worthwhile from Orlando :| Jordan, Mordecai :-\ or a load of others.

When they do something worthy of adoration, then you'll hear me, but until then, you do the math..


:shifty: