more on the strength of the divas!

[julian gray]

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She's 5'3 and weighs 105 pounds; I can’t believe she picked up the Hardy Boyz at that size and weight! I thought female wrestlers were simply unable to lift the men, and that's why they never do any moves on them. But if the Kat (surely the weakest Diva in history) can lift Matt/Jeff Hardy, people like Victoria, Lita and Jazz could comfortably perform their finishing moves on men.

To my knowledge the only female wrestler to ever lift a man in WWE was Chyna. Why don't female wrestlers ever get credible offence on the men? I'm not advocating more singles matches between men and women. But it would certainly make the women seem less like just eye-candy when they're involved at ringside or in inter-gender tags.

It's not like Victoria hitting a Widow's Peak on a man in a mixed-tag would make him look any weaker than him losing no more so than her hitting him with a chair. But it'd get a big crowd pop and establish the women as more credible performers.

[The One]

WWE is sexist and wouldn't allow women to appear capable of actually hurting their big tough men.

[Joe Kerr]

Not all women have in ring talent example: Stacy Keibler. But some women do have incredible talent but have lack of talent competition. Being strong is a lot differnt than being talented.

[ilt_undertaker]

I want that outfit/shoes she has on :eek:

[julian gray]

WWE is sexist and wouldn't allow women to appear capable of actually hurting their big tough men.
So is it common for women in other wrestling feds to do power moves to men? I used to watch WCW and it was the same thing there. You'd have Major Gunns or Tygress standing at ringside, but doing nothing but stand and look pretty.



It seems like a good idea to let the Divas show us what they can do. People wouldn't just think "oh, there's Trish at ringside. She's hot". They'd think "there's Trish, she's hot, she could affect the match". As it is, the wrestlers who double as managers seem to lose their ability to fight when they're being a valet.

Instead of slapping him, I think it'd be cool for Trish to bodyslam Jericho when he goes to the outside. She could definately do it: he's about the same weight as the Hardyz and Trish is far, far stronger than the Kat. It not only adds another dimension to the match by making the valet's presence seem more worthwhile and would give credibility to the women's division.

[Xero]

WWE is sexist and wouldn't allow women to appear capable of actually hurting their big tough men.

Chyna's been IC champion... :wtf:

[julian gray]

Chyna's been IC champion... :wtf:

by winning a good housekeeping match!

[big_bluto]

And of course there was the mega-successful, ratings-winning, Jacqueline, Cruiserweight Champion!











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[Xero]

And Harvey Whippleman, Women's Champion.....







Oh, we're talking about DIVAS :shifty:

[OssMan]

Fortune City

[julian gray]

And of course there was the mega-successful, ratings-winning, Jacqueline, Cruiserweight Champion!











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That's my point though. She never got the chance to do real moves on Chavo, it wasn't a credible threat. I don't think women should be fighting one-on-one with the men, but they shouldn't be made to look so subordinate.

If the Kat can lift Matt Hardy, any Diva can. If Victoria had turned face by giving the Widow's Peak to Stevie Richards, she'd be a much more respected wrestler. Then when she is eventually beaten, they'd be more respected too. People would sit up and notice that Jazz has incredible strength if she did the "bitch lock" (is that what it's called?) move to Tajiri instead of Trish.

I was very surprised to see the Kat's strength, and I'm sure I could be even more impressed with the efforts of the other, better trained women on the roster. I just think it's sad that WWE are afraid to let the current women really show us what they can do.

[FourFifty]

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The reason his face looks like that is he knows that Lita is so going to both the 3D.

[Shadow]

Oh good lord that's Jeff you fools!

[big_bluto]

That's my point though. She never got the chance to do real moves on Chavo, it wasn't a credible threat. I don't think women should be fighting one-on-one with the men, but they shouldn't be made to look so subordinate.

If the Kat can lift Matt Hardy, any Diva can. If Victoria had turned face by giving the Widow's Peak to Stevie Richards, she'd be a much more respected wrestler. Then when she is eventually beaten, they'd be more respected too. People would sit up and notice that Jazz has incredible strength if she did the "bitch lock" (is that what it's called?) move to Tajiri instead of Trish.

I was very surprised to see the Kat's strength, and I'm sure I could be even more impressed with the efforts of the other, better trained women on the roster. I just think it's sad that WWE are afraid to let the current women really show us what they can do.


You're right in what you're saying.
In general the writing on Smackdown has been appalling in recent months, and RAW hasn't been much better.
However on RAW the Women have a lot more credibility than any of the chicks on Smackdown.
*note the distinction - RAW = Women, Smackdown = chicks.

Anyway, it matters nothing to me if a wrestlers has a penis or not.
What matters to me is the credibility of the storyline in cases like this.

The jacqueline storyline is a prime example - no hype, sudden appearance, walks off with the belt. All this done was damaged the CW title, and anyone who competes for it.

However, is say Jazz was gobbing off about how she can lock the STF in on anyone, and they'll tap out, then I wouldn't have a problem in believing that she could take on guys and make them tap.
Then it's about the moves being credible, not the sex of the wrestler.

[Batsu]

However, is say Jazz was gobbing off about how she can lock the STF in on anyone, and they'll tap out, then I wouldn't have a problem in believing that she could take on guys and make them tap.
Then it's about the moves being credible, not the sex of the wrestler.

Yep. Lita used to do moves to people and interfere on behalf of Essa Rios before joining the Hardyz. A lot of her early appeal was the credibility of moves. That, and she got over.

As far as Jacqueline goes, she and Terri (off-camera, thank the Matrix) are very much the Billy Gunn and Hardcore Holly of the WWE women's side. No matter what the eff they do, they can't get over. And Jacqueline was disrobed above the equator at one PPV...

Even Jazz, despite her lukewarm reception, seems more over as "the woman you just don't wanna mess with period" in the Women's Division than Jacqueline was in a similar role.