Football Talk 2004/2005 (Soccer)

[Cactus Sid]

So, JT player of the year, Rooney young player

Team Of The Year

Petr Cech
Ashley Cole
Rio Ferdinand
John Terry
Gary Neville
Arjen Robben
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
Shaun Wright-Phillips
Andy Johnson
Thierry Henry

Can't argue with the front 6, Terry or the keeper, but Neville, Ferdinand and Ashley Cole just seem like "we'll put the most recognizable name in there" I'm sure there have been better players in those positions this season, Carragher ahead of Ferdinand for a start.

[Cactus Sid]

Having thought about it, I'd give the positions to Paulo Ferreria, Jamie Carragher and Gabriel Heinze

[Dazz]

Sid, I agree fully. Gary Neville, Rio Ferdinand and Ashley Cole have been nothing short of average by their own standards, Heinze, Carragher and Ferreira deserve it.

[toxic rooster]

Darren, what are your thoughts on tonights north London derby?

[Dazz]

Your an idiot Gooner, you have now set me off on one...

That I hope the Yid Army wins, so that we can rest players Vs Bolton on the weekend and be fitter for Liverpool away then Liverpool will be.

It's my mates birthday today, which has ruined everything, me and a few Chelsea fans were gunna go watch the game and if Arsenal don't win, we were gunna try and get into the club in our Chelsea shirts. Now I have to go to the Union with my mate who'se birthday it is and some other mates to watch it, I am gunna try and get some Chelsea fans to come, I might dance on the tables ECG's mates style.

Then get into my suit, off to the Casino and then a posher nightclub were I can't really celebrate as I'd have liked.

For selfish reasons I hope Arsenal win, but for Chelsea reasons I want Spurs to win. Although I'd also rather we won the league Vs Bolton, and not that you lost the league Vs Spurs, so it's like there are many pro's and cons to both.

THERE, you just had to ask.

If you meant thoughts on the score, then 3-1 Arsenal is what I am thinking.

[Danny Electric]

I agree with Sid.

[Dazz]

Samsung are apparently going to be our new sponsors, in a deal that will eclipse the £9million United get from Vodafone a year. Should be announced officially later today.

[toxic rooster]

I meant the first thing. I assumed you'd want to win the league rather than us lose it

[Dazz]

Both have it's advantages, if we didn't have the Champions League on Wednesday week, I'd want you to win tonight and us to win it on Saturday, but seeing as we have the Champions League, any which way we can win it suits me. I bet you win and we lose to Bolton :(.

[Cactus Sid]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4480421.stm

Ferguson makes me laugh these days, he's losing the plot and coming up with every excuse in the world to stay away from one fact.....his team isn't as good as it used to be, and he just doesn't have the same impact on his players anymore.

[Ogen]

Samsung are apparently going to be our new sponsors, in a deal that will eclipse the £9million United get from Vodafone a year. Should be announced officially later today.
Really? That makes no sense at all, United are still a bigger team around the world why would you be worth more from a sponsors point of view

[Cactus Sid]

Sponsors get behind sides that win.

With the way Chelsea are plastered across the news, likely to win a trophy a season AT LEAST, they are well on there way to clawing back the money they have spent, because they are a dream for sponsors. You want to be associated with winners.

[Dazz]

http://www.chelseafc.com/article.asp?hlid=272487&title=Chelsea+announces+Samsung+Electronics+as+Official+Club+Sponsor&nav=news

No figures are reveilved but thats the story and a pic of next years kit.

[Wengerland]

I agree that Heinze and Carragher should replace Cole and Ferdinand in that team, but i'd have Tony Hibbert at right back as he's been pretty solid and Everton deserve some recognition.

[Dazz]

Yeah I like Hibbert too, he is very underrated.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Hibbert is shocking, he gets beaten by every decent player he comes up against

[packt up]

Robben should have got young player of the year.

[Cactus Sid]

Love the Spurs fans chanting at the Arse "Your Support is Fucking Shit"

[toxic rooster]

What the fuck, Reyes was just getting treatment and they cut to a roof cam of the field.

Why can't they always use that angle?

[Wengerland]

Arsenal ended up winning 1-0, decent game i suppose, Reyes probably should have had a hat-trick and Robbie Keane really should have equalised.

[Rob]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4480421.stm

Ferguson makes me laugh these days, he's losing the plot and coming up with every excuse in the world to stay away from one fact.....his team isn't as good as it used to be, and he just doesn't have the same impact on his players anymore.

Losing the plot? Far from it mate. The fact is, we should have had some blatant penalties in the last few games and didn't get them. No big deal though. It happens. If you expect Alex Ferguson or any manager in fact to come out public and say his team isn't as good as it used to be then I think it's you that is losing the plot.

[Rob]

Arsenal ended up winning 1-0, decent game i suppose, Reyes probably should have had a hat-trick and Robbie Keane really should have equalised.

I bet my brother £20 at the start of the season that Alan Smith would out score Jose Reyes this season. I think Reyes is one up on him right now. I still think Smith will beat him. Reyes could play every minute for the rest of the season and he still won't score another goal. They should ship him off to Valladolid or Betis or something asap. Real Madrid? Kid is having a bubble.

[Cactus Sid]

Losing the plot? Far from it mate. The fact is, we should have had some blatant penalties in the last few games and didn't get them. No big deal though. It happens. If you expect Alex Ferguson or any manager in fact to come out public and say his team isn't as good as it used to be then I think it's you that is losing the plot.

That wasn't a penalty against Newcastle for sure. I haven't kept tabs on United recently, but suffice to say, if you should've had penalties and didn't get them....its about time.

Also, I never said he should come out and say his team isn't as good as it used to be, I'm just saying he's coming up with every excuse in the book to try and hide the fact that you aren't as good.

I do think he's losing the plot, with the resources United have and the team they have, they should not have had as bad a season as they are having, and Ferguson is become a bigger whiner than he's ever been. Not to mention he has been fairly tactically inept at times this season, his simple belief is that to win games you've got to shove 5 strikers on the pitch, and it hasn't worked.

[Rob]

That was a blatant penalty against Newcastle. He gave us a free kick for tugging on Alan Smith outside the box mintues later and there was nowhere near as much contact. Same ref also didn't give us a blatant penalty against Chelsea in the Carling Cup at the Bridge (should have had another at OT too). Ferguson is saying since Rooney's dive against Arsenal, we ain't been getting shit because of it. It's clearly mind games but he has a point. I wouldn't say he has been tactically inept, more like our players haven't performed when needed. Aside from Ferdinand, Heinze, Ronaldo and Rooney (and probably Smith when he has played), all the players need to have a closer look at themselves.

[Y2Ant]

just sign Andy Johnson, you will get loads of penalties then :cool:

[Dazz]

Refs have realised that Ronaldo is a diving cunt, otherwise you'd have more penatlies.

[toxic rooster]

That was a blatant penalty against Newcastle. He gave us a free kick for tugging on Alan Smith outside the box mintues later and there was nowhere near as much contact. Same ref also didn't give us a blatant penalty against Chelsea in the Carling Cup at the Bridge (should have had another at OT too). Ferguson is saying since Rooney's dive against Arsenal, we ain't been getting shit because of it

Zees sings even zemzelves out over ze course of ze zeazon [/RBF's Wenger impression]

[packt up]

Refs have realised that Ronaldo is a diving cunt, otherwise you'd have more penatlies.

What he said.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I do think he's losing the plot, with the resources United have and the team they have, they should not have had as bad a season as they are having, and Ferguson is become a bigger whiner than he's ever been. Not to mention he has been fairly tactically inept at times this season, his simple belief is that to win games you've got to shove 5 strikers on the pitch, and it hasn't worked.
A bad season. They'd lost 2 games in the league before their recent bad run. One of those on the first day of the season to Chelsea when United had a starting 11's worth of international players out.

Chelsea being so brilliant has made everyone look bad. Any normal year, Arsenal and Manchester United's league records would have them pushing for the title.

[packt up]

A bad season. They'd lost 2 games in the league before their recent bad run. One of those on the first day of the season to Chelsea when United had a starting 11's worth of international players out.

Chelsea being so brilliant has made everyone look bad. Any normal year, Arsenal and Manchester United's league records would have them pushing for the title.

I know what you're saying but if Chelsea raise the bar Arsenal and Man U have to follow. Its all relative to Chelsea nowadays. Being good enough to win a championship last season doesn't exactly mean shit when your 15 points behind Chelsea this season.

[Dazz]

Fergie could have spent his money more wisely IMO, he didn't plan on buying Rooney till this summer originally, and it was only Newcastle's attempt to sign him that changed that.

So how come he didn't spend any of that £27 million he had last summer on other players in positions he needed them, namely a centre back and another central midfielder.

Also, to think that he was going to go through this season with just Saha, Smith and RvN attacking is stupid, considering just how much they have needed Rooney.

Fergie bollocksed this season up for himself.

Likewise with Wenger, he hasn't seemed to have built his team like he could have, if he has an 'unbeatable' team last season why not get a couple of players in where back-up is needed and keep going. Surely the board would have given him a little bit of money to help them stay the best in the country, he must have known that Chelsea were going to be a very serious threat.

We maye have been great this season, but I think it was the summer signing by the other two that mattered, if Arsenal really didn't have any money then fair enough, but United certainly did and they weren't going to use it.

[Cactus Sid]

I know what you're saying but if Chelsea raise the bar Arsenal and Man U have to follow. Its all relative to Chelsea nowadays. Being good enough to win a championship last season doesn't exactly mean shit when your 15 points behind Chelsea this season.

Exactly.

Man for man, United have as good a side as Chelsea, but they are not playing anything like they should. I've seen United play brilliantly once this season. They've had good games, but aside from the Arsenal game, I don't remember seeing them playing exceptionally. They've had great individual performances at times, but as a TEAM, they are lacking. The very fact that they have gone on this shit run indicates that.

Ok, they've got to the FA Cup Final and they are third in the league. They hardly excelled in the Champions League, and they haven't been great in the league, I think United themselves would say they've had a bad season.

As for injuries, Chelsea have had shit loads of injuries and have coped, Arsenal have had shit loads of injuries and coped fairly well, injuries are always an easy excuse for sides not playing well. Liverpool have had loads of injuries this season, but the simple fact is, the replacements are not good enough, and thats down to the manager to sort out.

[Cactus Sid]

Also, I find it funny that Harry Redknapp has said "I Won't Be Leaving Southampton, even if they go down"

Think we've heard things like that before...

[The Mask]

of course he won't, who else will have him?

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I know what you're saying but if Chelsea raise the bar Arsenal and Man U have to follow. Its all relative to Chelsea nowadays. Being good enough to win a championship last season doesn't exactly mean shit when your 15 points behind Chelsea this season.
Yeah, they have to follow and undoubtedly they will, but United were effectively behind in the title race from their first 5 matches, when they gave themselves a large gap to chase. There was little they could do about that with the injuries, Ferdinand's suspension etc. that afflicted the side.

Chelsea's record this season will be the best ever seen, probably, in terms of points and especially goals conceded. Three teams simply cannot have that kind of form in one season, and Chelsea will struggle to repeat it next year.

The delaying of the Chelsea trip to Old Trafford also was a big factor, because if it had taken place in January when United were in brilliant form and had a reasonable hope of catching Chelsea, it could have been a different story.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Fergie could have spent his money more wisely IMO, he didn't plan on buying Rooney till this summer originally, and it was only Newcastle's attempt to sign him that changed that.

So how come he didn't spend any of that £27 million he had last summer on other players in positions he needed them, namely a centre back and another central midfielder.

Also, to think that he was going to go through this season with just Saha, Smith and RvN attacking is stupid, considering just how much they have needed Rooney.

Fergie bollocksed this season up for himself.

Likewise with Wenger, he hasn't seemed to have built his team like he could have, if he has an 'unbeatable' team last season why not get a couple of players in where back-up is needed and keep going. Surely the board would have given him a little bit of money to help them stay the best in the country, he must have known that Chelsea were going to be a very serious threat.

We maye have been great this season, but I think it was the summer signing by the other two that mattered, if Arsenal really didn't have any money then fair enough, but United certainly did and they weren't going to use it.Ferguson had no way of knowing that Van Nistelrooy would get injured for 3 months, and not continue his unbelievable scoring record for United, or that Saha would basically spend the entire year out with various knee injuries.

Fact is, their problem hasn't been in midfield or defence, but their strikers. The goals scored column tells the story, and the amount of games United should have won by 3, 4 or 5 goals, given the chances they had, is ridiculous. If they'd won those games, they'd be ahead of Chelsea.

The boys on the pitch didn't take the chances they got. Not Ferguson's fault.

[Dazz]

Bollocks, you know it, you need four fit strikers or you are asking for it, you have to anticipate two strikers being out at once, three is unlucky, but you have to anticapte two. Without Rooney they were relying on the others being fit.

RvN has a year or two years out the game with an injury, and Fergie thinks that he will never get injured again?

Bore off mate, Fergie fucked it up.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Don't be stupid. 3 strikers is enough, especially considering they only play one main striker anyway. You only need 4 if you're playing 2 up, United don't. Smith and Rooney can fill in at midfield or drop deeper, Saha and RVN are both adept at playing up on their own.

Seriously, you do talk some shite at times.

[Dazz]

I don't think so at all, I am excluding Rooney from the list here as we are talking about if they didn't sign Rooney as they weren't going to originally. Saha was brought in because he was eligable for the Champions League and they desperatley needed a striker, he is nowhere near good enough for Man United. Smith is always likely to get some suspensions, Fergie was originally going to go into the season with three strikers, and hope they could all suite the 1 up front and at least two were always available.

I think Fergie was going to take a big risk with only three attackers, Smith will never be good enough to be a lone striker I don't think, he can battle but he just isn't a target man, other then when O'Brien fouled him I can hardly remember being in a good position.

They were going to have two real target men, and Saha isn't good enough, plain and simple, so he relies on RvN to stay fit. When drogba is injured we still have Duff and Robben banging in goals because they can make the runs and finish it, Giggs and Ronaldo don't do it.

You surely must agree with this:
Saha isn't good enough and was brought in in January as a qucik fix solution
Fergie relies too heavily on RVN
Smith isn't a target man and was never going to suit the one up front
Bobby Robson going for Rooney was what brought Rooney to United this season.

The above four show Fergie fucked it right up, IMO.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I agree that Saha isn't good enough, and he'll be sacrificed this summer. United did rely a lot on RVN, but I don't know about too heavily. Most seasons they could expect Giggs and Scholes to weight in with a few goals, and Scholes can also play up front off someone else.

Smith is a target man, and he's extremely good at it. Brilliant in the air, brilliant first touch, ball sticks to him. He's excellent at winning and keeping possession. I am a big fan of his and I think if he was given a run in a side, he'd get 15-20 goals a season, easy.

And yes, Newcastle going for Rooney is why he ended up at United. However, I don't see how that is evidence of Fergie fucking anything up. I just don't see your logic here.

[Dazz]

How can you not see the logic there? I thought it's blindingly obvious, because without Rooney they would been alot worse this season, and Fergie didn't want him for this season so it was due to Bobby Robson wanting him that he is even there right now. Whatsmore is that is he had a spare £27million floating around he could have brought in some more players.

I like Smithy, I think he will be great, but I don't think he is good as the lone striker, I have never seen hm as the type who can get his head to the ball or take it down, he has good control but I can't see him being able to shake off defenders.

I haven't seen too much of him this season, and I hate to base it on two games but the Newcatle game showed he isn't a great target man, and the game against Aston Villa on the 28th December is the time I realised he should be feeding a striker, and he was good at moving the ball around, they should play Giggs and Ronaldo wide, and Keane, Scholes and either Smith or Rooney as the centre midfielders but with Smith and Rooney playing extremley attacking, and either RvN or Rooney up front.

And to not think Fergie relies on RvN too much is stupid, as like I am going to have to say yet again they didn't intend on having Rooney this season.

[Rob]

Dazz - We had Forlan at the start of the season as 4th striker before any Rooney bid. Once he was in, Diego was gone.

Also, we didn't have £27 million to spend in the summer. We had the £7 million for Smith and £6.7 million for Henize. Rooney was this summer's budget. If there was no Rooney this season, there would be nobody at all.

Again, we haven't really had a bad season. Chelsea have just been the dogs bollocks.

[LK]

BTW isn't Forlan like the top scorer in Spain. Does Dazz still think that he's crap?

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I don't see your logic Dazz because you're claiming Fergie fucked up by buying a player he should have bought.

At worst, you could say it turned out he was lucky to have signed Rooney, since the other lads got injured, but saying he "fucked up" by making a good signing is a bit ridiculous.

As Rob said, they had Forlan, so I'm assuming Fergie thought his strikers could struggle on, since there was nothing really wrong in the goals department last season for United, it was their defence. They strengthened their defence with Heinze, and their attack with Smith, and even those two in United's squad from last season looked like very good additions at the time.

Every point you are making is with the absolute benefit of hindsight. With hindsight, if Rio Ferdinand hadn't missed that drugs test a year and a half ago, I think Manchester United would have been league champions last season. But that's the way things go.

[Dazz]

Come on, it was clear that Fergie was never going to play Forlan this season, why not name Bellion too. Mine isn't in hindsight, it's when you consider likely outcomes, players are inevitabally going to get injured, especially someone who has had lengthy injuries in the past.

Fergie not signing another centre back in January showed again that it's him fucking things up why they lose the title.

And you clearly don't understand what I mean about Rooney, ECG, I am saying that United wouldn't have got him this season if Newcastle hadn't gone for him, I.E Fergie didn't want Rooney for this season, yet he has been invaluable, is it really that hard to understand ECG, That Fergie didn't want him this season, he was going to wait a year for no reason.

Rob - Saying no-one takes United over before the next season starts, I am sure you are going to make some signing, you will still have money earnt through prize money and season ticket revenue, TV deals ect. To say it's your whole of this seasons budget is down right stupid.

legendkiller, where have I ever said Forlan was shit? Find me a quote or jog on.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

David Gill (I think that's his name) has been quoted as saying Rooney was this coming season's transfer budget, Rob's not exaggerating (for once :p )

That said people like Saha and Kleberson will most likely be shipped out, so the money will most likely come from there. There's also a chance this fucking takeover saga will have a conclusion sometime before 2945 so there might be some spending money there also.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

You're talking stupid. Of course itis hindsight: there's no way you can legislate for two of your top strikers to spend huge amounts of time injured, throughout the whole season. It'd be fucking stupidity to buy players based on the idea that two of them in one position might get injured for several months at a time.

RVN having a knee problem really doesn't indicate at all that he would have injured his calf. Most players these days recover fully from crucriate ligament injuries and don't see a problem with the knee again.

You always take me down these meaningless, moronic alleyways of football discussion, Dazz.

[packt up]

I have to say I'm with ECG on this whole Rooney thing Dazz just wtf is your point? That Fergie didn't want him but bought him anyway and thats fucked them up?? Yet you also say that he's been great this season so seem to contradict yourself.

I rate Smith he was doing great earlier this season then got dropped pretty much as soon as Rooney got fit which was unfortunate. He's not the most natural goalscorer but as has been mentioned before he's a good target man and certainly good enough for the Man U squad - even if I think he is a cock. Saha on the other hand should move on. Forlan was shit at Man U and anyone saying otherwise is delerious. He can be a good player but to be honest I haven't seen him play in Spain or Argentina or wherever he was before so I can only judge him on his Man U performances where he was crap.

[packt up]

Yeah, they have to follow and undoubtedly they will, but United were effectively behind in the title race from their first 5 matches, when they gave themselves a large gap to chase. There was little they could do about that with the injuries, Ferdinand's suspension etc. that afflicted the side.

Chelsea's record this season will be the best ever seen, probably, in terms of points and especially goals conceded. Three teams simply cannot have that kind of form in one season, and Chelsea will struggle to repeat it next year.

The delaying of the Chelsea trip to Old Trafford also was a big factor, because if it had taken place in January when United were in brilliant form and had a reasonable hope of catching Chelsea, it could have been a different story.

I know Chelsea have been great this season but to be honest they are such a great side I honestly don't know that they will find it any more difficult next year. Effectively they've won this season without a world class striker at a canter. You can argue all you want about Gudjohnsen and Drogba being good but I don't think anyone (including Dazz) could call them World Class. If they had a Shevchenko or someone in that veinm and lets be honest they could afford them then next season could be just as comfortable. They have already said that they will improve the squad further with Geremi and Parker probably on the list of people out, add Gerard and a top class striker and how any team is going to touch them is beyond my reckoning.

And I think the injuries excuse is branded around too much by everyone. Even Chelsea have had their injuries this year so saying Man U lost it purely because of injury to RVN or whoever is akin to saying Arsenal lost it because they didn't have Gilberto or Campbell fit for long periods. Nice to say but at the end of the day even with them I doubt either Man U or Arsenal would have got close to Chelsea this season.

Also apart from the RVN and Saha what bad injuries have Man U had this season? This isn't a diss just I really can't remember :$

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I know Chelsea have been great this season but to be honest they are such a great side I honestly don't know that they will find it any more difficult next year. Effectively they've won this season without a world class striker at a canter. You can argue all you want about Gudjohnsen and Drogba being good but I don't think anyone (including Dazz) could call them World Class. If they had a Shevchenko or someone in that veinm and lets be honest they could afford them then next season could be just as comfortable. They have already said that they will improve the squad further with Geremi and Parker probably on the list of people out, add Gerard and a top class striker and how any team is going to touch them is beyond my reckoning.

And I think the injuries excuse is branded around too much by everyone. Even Chelsea have had their injuries this year so saying Man U lost it purely because of injury to RVN or whoever is akin to saying Arsenal lost it because they didn't have Gilberto or Campbell fit for long periods. Nice to say but at the end of the day even with them I doubt either Man U or Arsenal would have got close to Chelsea this season.

Also apart from the RVN and Saha what bad injuries have Man U had this season? This isn't a diss just I really can't remember :$
I don't think Chelsea will find it so easy next season. The nucleus of that side has been around a while, so although they have always been very good players, they've come together this season in a superb run of form. I really don't think they'll keep that run of form up.

Think back to Arsenal of last season and the first half of this season, and it was tough to imagine them being beaten by anyone this season, never mind finishing to the order of 11 points behind Chelsea (as the case may be). No team is invincible, and they can only field 11 players. If they bring in big stars, it might upset their crucial team spirit and work ethic.

For example, as their form for England clearly shows, Lampard and Gerrard cannot really function in the same midfield together. They both do the same job, effectively, and one has to surrender to the other for the other to be effective.

Added to that, teams will figure out a way to play Chelsea. It always happens.

Not saying they won't still be a great team, or that they won't win the league, just that they will find things a lot harder next season.

And I never said injuries were an excuse for Manchester United, I said their problem was scoring goals in matches they should have won by miles. I was just making the point to Dazz that Ferguson couldn't have imagined two of his main strikers would end up injured for long stretches.

At the very start of the season, United had Heinze and Ronaldo at the Olympics, Ferdinand suspended, Rooney injured, Scholes injured, Van Nistelrooy injured, Saha injured and numerous other problems. They really handicapped themselves by having a very slow start to the season which meant they were always playing catch-up.

[Dazz]

Geremi and Smertin will go, Parker will stay.

Pact Up, you misinterpreted what I said about Rooney, I am saying that Fergie **WOULD** have royally fucked it up by waiting until the end of this season to get Rooney. He has been great, but he is still meant to be at Everton until the end of this season, without Rooney I am prepared to say that United's season would have been a disaster.

ECG, you might not think you will have two injured strikers, but you do have to be prepared for it, Arsenal have got Henry, Bergkamp, Reyes, Van Persie and Allideire, they have sufficient back-up. United had people who weren't performing such as Forlan and Bellion as their other back up. Without Rooney this season they would have had two really good strikers, and three average ones (if Forlan had stayed). That's the difference, that United din't have enough back up if their best strikers got injured.

I cannot believe no one see's this Rooney arguement though, Fergie didn't fucking want him this season, do you lot not fucking understand something so simple??!! It was Newcastle wanting him that made them get him, for fuck sake he wasn't going to be there this season, meaning Fergie would have fucked things up entriely like he tried to do. He should be kissing Bobby Robson's wrinkley white-haired arse right now.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Ridiculous.

[Dazz]

:foc:

[Rob]

How exactly do you know how United would have played without Wayne Rooney? Smith would have got a longer run in the team, RVN might not have gotten injured and Forlan could have had the same run of form he is on in Spain for us. You just don't know.

As for back up strikers, we didn't have enough back up LAST season, nevermind this season.

[Dazz]

RvN would have got injured regardless, Forlan was never going to be given more of a chance from Fergie, alright I don't *KNOW* but it's my opinion, and I am sure no one can deny it, that Wayne Rooney has made a huge impact on the team, and has done a shitload for them, him,Keane and Heinze have been United's three best players, Ronaldo fourth I'd say.

[Wengerland]

YES, beat the sheep to pretty much guarantee safety :love:

[Wengerland]

PSV were very unlucky to lose that game, let alone by 2 goals.

[Dazz]

PSV are twats, Park is fucking awful, absolute rubbish. Has anyone told Van Bommell that shooting right at the keeper is one of the hardest ways of scoring a goal.

At the start of the game I said to my mate I wish I stuck a few quid on it being 2-0 to Milan, needless to say I was annoyed when the final whistle went.

[The Mask]

I don't mind about getting Rooney as early as we did. I think the plan was to wait so his price would drop, though Newcastle fucked that up for us.

Same with Ronaldo, we wanted him to stay at Sporting until this season. It's just how things work out. Like when Fergie went in for David Hirst, only he wasn't for sale so we got Cantona instead. Just luck, I suppose.

I disagree on Saha being shit though. He showed promise early on until it turned out he is made of glass. I'd be glad to see the back of him but not because he's shit.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

He's not shit, he's just not particularly great. Definitely not worth the money paid, and his place in the squad could be better used.

I think Kleberson is a great player, but we'll not see the best of him at Manchester United. He'll probably be out this summer. He'll be quality given a run in a side without injuries.

[Dazz]

No one said that Saha is shit, just that he is not good enough for you.

[Rob]

He's not shit, he's just not particularly great. Definitely not worth the money paid, and his place in the squad could be better used.

I think Kleberson is a great player, but we'll not see the best of him at Manchester United. He'll probably be out this summer. He'll be quality given a run in a side without injuries.

I don't see anything in Kleberson personally.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

He's a class act. Brilliant passer of the ball, very industrious when he is fit. I thought he looked quality at the World Cup. The Brazilians rate him very highly too. Just had a very bad run of luck since moving to United.

[Dazz]

He didn't have long Vs Newcastle but I thought he looks comfortable and don't remember him making any mistakes.

[Danny Electric]

Park isn't shit Dazz.
I didn't watch the game tonight so I can't say much about his performance but this season he has been awesome for PSV in games I've watched on channel 5 and in the Champions League.

[Dazz]

Well, tonight he had one hell of a mare

[El Capitano Gatisto]

He wasn't that bad. He worked hard, put himself about, got into some good positions.

The passes through to him were hard to take in his stride.

[Dazz]

I thought he was shit, he put himself about and got into good positions, but played shit, and is a diving cunt. Seedorf should murder him if he misses the final. Getting a booking for Park doing a blatent dive annoys the fuck out of me, the slit eye did it twice too.

[Dazz]

Let's get in the spirit of things,

JUST LIKE SCOUSERS,
WE LOVE ROBBEN,
JUST LIKE SCOUSERS,
WE LOVE ROBBEN,
JUST LIKE SCOUSERS,
WE LOVE ROBBEN,

Can't wait for the game, getting to the ground about 1.30 for some drinking. COME ON THE BLUES.

[Cactus Sid]

I'm not looking forward to it at all, I just hope Rafa's got them up for it

[Rob]

I thought he was shit, he put himself about and got into good positions, but played shit, and is a diving cunt. Seedorf should murder him if he misses the final. Getting a booking for Park doing a blatent dive annoys the fuck out of me, the slit eye did it twice too.

Because Robben never dives. Either does Joe Cole.

[Y2Ant]

and neither does Ronaldo. Oh wait :o

I dunno what to watch, Boro v Newcastle or Chelsea v Liverpool :'(

[soconnor]

Apart from Alonso getting banned for the second leg, get in there

Bring it on to fortress Anfield :D

[Cactus Sid]

Fantastic result 0-0

Steven Gerrard is utter wank. He didn't want to be on the pitch tonight, and I don't give a fuck what you do for the club, if you walk out on that pitch and barely try, you don't deserve to wear the clubs colours. Thank god Xabi and Igor were on form, as well as Carragher and Hyypia, who were all phenomenal. Also thought Cisse looked class when he came on, he's gotta start in the second leg.

We should've lost. First half we were really poor, but I honestly think we were the better side in the Second half, we just didn't look overly threatening when we got near the goal, unlike Chelsea.

Second leg is gonna be really interesting.

[soconnor]

You are mr negative Cactus Sid, I wish you'd shut the fuck up

I always said we'd beat chelsea and now we're half way there you still moan

Give it a rest and be positive for once

[Wengerland]

Gerrard didn't have a good game but you're going overboard there Sid tbh :(

Neither side really did enough to win the game, Chelsea were probably the better of the two but they never troubled Dudek.

[Cactus Sid]

I'm sorry, but Steven Gerrard's performance tonight was nothing short of disgraceful in my opinion.

Aside from that, we played well, I'm not saying we didn't, but if Gerrard plays like that at Anfield, then, without Xabi, we could be in trouble.

Also....the pessimism has worked so far, dont jinx it :mad:

[soconnor]

Let's not forget that Baros played awful too

Most of the Liverpool team was subdued we relied on the rock of Carragher (MOTM)

At the end of the day though we're at home next week, so we have to be positive

Just fucking cheer the team and I do feel we'll win it

ALONSO is my favourite player, I still feel gutted but Gerrard will work his arse off

[Cactus Sid]

Baros has been awful since just after Cisse got injured

Gerrard was just so poor though. He didn't even LOOK interested. He played 2 good passes all night, gave the ball away, made no challenges, didn't track back, let Gudjohnsen walk past him, and that shot he had just capped it off.

Tonight demonstrated why Carragher should've been in the team of the season, absolutely inexcusable that he isn't.

I wouldn't say the side was subdued at all. Finnan and Traore did their jobs well, Hyypia and Carragher were fantastic. Xabi and Igor were solid and Riise did a good job at times. Garcia wasn't brilliant, but he had times when he looked bright, Gerrard and Baros were just abysmal.

I'll cheer the team whether we're 5-0 up against Chelsea or 10-0 down against some Division 3 side, I just feel that Liverpool fans forget that we aren't the side we were, we are so inconsistent that its difficult for me to be optimistic about any fixture. I do think we've got a good chance in the second leg, but I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Gerrard was a disgrace tonight. A real let down.

Liverpool should spark a bidding war for him between Real Madrid and Chelsea, drive his price up something ridiculous, sell Baros to whoever is stupid enough to think he was ever actually any good and do some kind of deal with Kewell, where they permanently cripple him and split the insurance money, since he's not really bothered about playing.

Then they can build a side around Xabi Alonso and Jamie Carragher.

[Cactus Sid]

For once I agree with you on every point

[Danny Electric]

Carragher was awesome tonight, like every match.
Baros looked poor but he was up front on his own and didn't have the best of service, Gerrard had a poor match but at least he got it out of the way. Gutted about Alonso, thankyou to Gudjohnsen for getting him booked (you dick).
I thought a draw was the right result at the end of the game. Leaves it open next week, it'll be a great game and I have no idea who will win. I still see us going out on away goals or something.

[soconnor]

Fucking fans not getting behind their team, I should knock your heads together

The Chelsea fans were dreadful tonight, compare their mild chants to Anfield next week

Gerrard will be playing for revenge, whether he goes or not this season, it's all about him

[Y2Ant]

0-0 draw with Boro, could have been worse. :o

Dyer injured yet again :-\

[Ogen]

Thought Liverpool would do it before tonight but after that its gonna be Chelsea I think, Liverpool lose Alonso and Chelsea gain Duff and Robben for the second leg. Liverpool needed a goal tonight since I can't see them stoping Chelsea scoring over both legs.

[Dazz]

The Chelsea fans were dreadful tonight, compare their mild chants to Anfield next week



Tune your hearing aid in, we weren't dreadful at all.

Makelele and Hyypia were the best players on the park tonight IMO, absolute brilliant. Drogba didn't get much service, Joe Cole is fucking greedy, doesn't he realise there's 10 others on the pitch?

Lampard tries to do too much, he should let others take corners and free kicks, he cannot do it.

Can't wait for the Anfield game, SHOULD get my ticket tomorrow

[Danny Electric]

I thought Carragher was better than Hyypia but Makelele had a really good game.

[toxic rooster]

Haha looks like I made the right call in sleeping.

[Dazz]

I think they were both absolute quality, just Hyypia seemed busier.

[Cactus Sid]

Tune your hearing aid in, we weren't dreadful at all.


Honestly Dazz, your lot were shit.

You could clearly hear the Liverpool fans throughout the game, the rest of the time you could've heard a pin drop.

[LK]

Baros only proved to me that he is as gash as I thought he was

[LK]

I thought he was shit, he put himself about and got into good positions, but played shit, and is a diving cunt. Seedorf should murder him if he misses the final. Getting a booking for Park doing a blatent dive annoys the fuck out of me, the slit eye did it twice too.
**coughJoeColecough**

[Danny Electric]

Singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' at the end. :)

[Dazz]

**coughJoeColecough**

Yes, your quick, Duff and Robben to, I never said we didn't have any divers in our team, it doesn't mean I can't point out the divers in other teams, jog on you spastic, your posts are terrible.

[Dazz]

Honestly Dazz, your lot were shit.

You could clearly hear the Liverpool fans throughout the game, the rest of the time you could've heard a pin drop.

Sorry but it must have been where the camera's or the sound mic's were positioned, we were far from shit.

[Dazz]

Honestly Dazz, your lot were shit.

You could clearly hear the Liverpool fans throughout the game, the rest of the time you could've heard a pin drop.


Decent result for the Liverpool 0-0 not as bad as people are making out. Had a good time down London, Chelsea fans sang a bit but in the end got Frustrated like there team did. Got my tickets for 2nd leg in the Kop, the crowd will be awesome I can't wait and with the fans in full swing the players will be really up for it. Alonso tackle was never a booking a disgraceful decision by the ref.

Posted by some Liverpool fan on Rajah's that was at the game. We were also better then he says, but it shows were weren't silent like you lot say.

Also, Liverpool have some of the best fans in the league and constantly sing, so he is comparing us to them, which also doesn't do us any justice.

[Danny Electric]

Fair play to Dazz for sticking up for his fans. I thought they sounded loud apart from the end of the game.

[Dazz]

I always stick up for us if it's the truth, we were impressive alot I think, Dlo called it right, we just got frustrated by the end, there were a few come on Chelsea chants, other then that it was only near the end we were rubbish.

[Wengerland]

I thought Chelsea's fans weren't too bad to be fair, i agree with that lad from Rajah's, the fans pretty much matched the game, like near the end of the game when it looked as though it'd end goal-less the Chelsea fans went quiet and Liverpool fans were in full voice. At the start of the game it didn't seem as if Liverpool made much noise and it was Chelsea's fans who made a decent atmosphere.

[soconnor]

I didn't say they were silent, way to make a good point out of nothing

I said some chanting but nothing as good as it should of been

We'll see the difference at Anfield next week :D

Right now though, it's all about middlesborough.

[Dazz]

Alright that was mainly aimed at Sid, I couldn't remember exactly what you said and wasn't bothered to find out.

There will be a big difference at your gaff I know, I have my ticket, but it MAY be restricted view.

[soconnor]

Anfield is a great ground, why the fuck was everyone slipping on your joint

Hope you enjoy yourself, come home a loser

All good :)

[Dazz]

Our ground is abysmal, everyone has been slipping over for months, the groundsman should be sacked, we should tap up the St Mary's groundsman, he seems to do a great job.

I am not overly fussed if we lose, we have two trophies this season and I am not greedy, would be nice to win and get to the final, I'd be gutted if we lost, sure, but I cannot complain.

Just hope I have a great time, great fans, great teams, has the makings for a claasic.

[Cactus Sid]

Hey Dazz, I can only say what I see and hear, and personally I thought the Chelsea fans were pretty poor when seeing it on TV, but if someone who was there and is a Liverpool fan says otherwise, I'll take their word for it.

It actually reminds me of when I went to Wrestlemania last year, the crowd was electric and loud, but they didn't come across like it on TV, so I can see what ya saying.

[Dazz]

I know Sid, I know, which is why I made those posts, I wasn't trying to slate you, just prove you wrong :D. The TV Camera's are all in the same stand as the away fans, so you would have been drowning us out.

[The Mackem]

Mourinho had a go at them earlier in the season after the game against Everton, didn't he?

[Dazz]

Yep, after the Everton game, said he could only hear their fans (they used the same allocation as Liverpool) and that we should get behind the whole team and not just Terry, Lampard and Gudjohnsen, fair enough, we do need songs about all the players.

Trouble is he has the away fans either side of the dugout, so he will hear them more.

[The Mackem]

It really is a stupid place to put the away fans. It's best to put them behind one of the goals preferably with a roof that opens when it is raining. I guess it's hard to move away fans to somewhere else in Stamford Bridge though, is it?

[Dazz]

Not really hard, just we don't like it. Basically for cup games we give away fans the option of Matthew Harding lower as it holds more people (which is where the 'die-hards', 'headhunters' and the self proclaimed Voice of Stamford Bridge' sit, so they hate moving seat as they are season ticket holders, they made a petition for it too and the board took notice and are trying to find a solution. United in the league cup, West Aam and Scunthorpe all took up the Matthew Harding lower, and our fans hate it.

For security reasons they have to be moved there or nowhere, the West Stand lower is too big, and the Shed End lower is too small.

In conclusion, they are looking at a solution to move the away fans yet not annoy the Matthew Harding Lower,

I think you'd have preferred a shorter answer, but it would have lead to more questions .

[Rob]

Yes, your quick, Duff and Robben to, I never said we didn't have any divers in our team, it doesn't mean I can't point out the divers in other teams, jog on you spastic, your posts are terrible.

To be fair, you said divers getting people booked annoys the fuck out of you. As long as you say the same when Chelsea players dive, it's all good.

And for Y2Ant, I don't recall saying anything about divers therefore bringing up Ronaldo (I don't remember sticking up for any of his blatant dives) is a "moo" point. :)

[Dazz]

I got in an arguement with pretty much every poster on the Chelsea forum I post on (new you wouldn't be suprised :)) Because I said Joe Cole might be playing well lately but he is still a disgrace,

Chelsea fans mention doing it, we do it too, just Ballack executed it well and was in a better position then when our players dive.

I also foolishly forgot to put Drogba on the listof divers, he is probably the worst.

[packt up]

I bet you still insist Drogba is a good finisher too eh Dazz :foc:

:P

[Dazz]

I do, I love Drogba, he misses too many and isn't in form right now, but I hope he stays our number one striker, he is the man,

[packt up]

What do you reckon about all this bust up over Robben? and Kezman?

And who would you like to sign this summer? Gerrard? A striker??

[Dazz]

Nah, just a left back, we don't need anyone else, I have head nothing about a bust up, but Robben's a pussy, Kezza would batter him. I love them both, so I hope it's all rumours.

[toxic rooster]

Game of the season at St Mary's

3-3 at halftime, both teams are throwing the kitchen sink at each other.

[Cactus Sid]

Glad Gerrard scored, he needs to do something to redeem that performance on Wednesday

[Wengerland]

Quite a shit decision to recall Pellegrino in place of Hyypia tbh.

[toxic rooster]

Camara :eek:

[Cactus Sid]

Quite a shit decision to recall Pellegrino in place of Hyypia tbh.

It pisses me off because Pellegrino had 2 really good games, and then went shit again, but Benitez picks him because of those 2 games.

I'm still hopeful we can get the 4th spot, we just have to beat Villa and get some sort of result against Arsenal, and hope that Bolton and Arsenal beat Everton, and Newcastle get at least a draw.

Unfortunatly, relying on Newcastle is not a good thing.

[Danny Electric]

If we would have won today I would have said we had a chance.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

http://img186.echo.cx/img186/8454/deforested5vj.gif

:wave:

[Wengerland]

Cheerio Forest :love:

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Jesus Christ Norwich I fucking hate you and hope you die. What a joke

"Oh look at me, im Nigel Worthington, we've just got promoted and need to strengthen so Ill sign Simon Charlton who looks and sounds gay and is too fat and small to be a centre back."

You fucking douche, if you ever come to Portsmouth I will cut your bollocks off you silver haired old cunt. :mad:</font>

[Wengerland]

Lampard's just got his and Chelsea's 2nd, they've wrapped up the title win now.

[Cactus Sid]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Jesus Christ Norwich I fucking hate you and hope you die. What a joke

"Oh look at me, im Nigel Worthington, we've just got promoted and need to strengthen so Ill sign Simon Charlton who looks and sounds gay and is too fat and small to be a centre back."

You fucking douche, if you ever come to Portsmouth I will cut your bollocks off you silver haired old cunt. :mad:</font>

Palace away and United at home???

I don't think they'll stay up.

Chelski Champions..... congrats I guess

More happy with the fact they beat Bolton

[Rob]

I do, I love Drogba, he misses too many and isn't in form right now, but I hope he stays our number one striker, he is the man,

Come on Dazz, Drogba or Adriano? Wouldn't be surprised if a Raul bid happened too.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I think a move for Ronaldo is definitely on. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see him at Chelsea next season. Real will get Robinho.

Adriano is going to sign a new contract at Inter.

[PSIcological]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Jesus Christ Norwich I fucking hate you and hope you die. What a joke

"Oh look at me, im Nigel Worthington, we've just got promoted and need to strengthen so Ill sign Simon Charlton who looks and sounds gay and is too fat and small to be a centre back."

You fucking douche, if you ever come to Portsmouth I will cut your bollocks off you silver haired old cunt. :mad:</font>

Huzzah, another worthington hater :wave:

Also, :lol: at forest. A qpr supporting friend has informed me they were dire, so hopefully we can take advantage of that next week and stay up

[Rob Ban Fan]

Palace away and United at home???

I don't think they'll stay up.

Chelski Champions..... congrats I guess

More happy with the fact they beat Bolton

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I have spent ages looking at the table and the fixtures left and I honestly have no idea who is going to stay up but I can see them doing it. No fucking justice I tell you. Something horrible like them sneaking a draw, then United fielding a weakened team because of the cup final and them getting a point to stay up. Or staying up on goal difference or something gay like that.

:mad:

I blame Middlesbrough too, for losing 3-1 at home to them. Useless bastards.</font>

[Rob]

United will not be fielding weak teams against Southampton. Fergie is raging at his players already for poor performances. I still think they will stay up. If they don't, please let it be West Brom. Andy Johnson needs to be sold to another club and become the next Michael Ricketts.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I bet they do, or I bet they beat or draw you, since you're shit at playing us mighty South coast teams :cool:

And the title of "the next Michael Ricketts" belongs to Yakubu. Can't wait til Boro or Newcastle give us £7m for that fat lazy bastard.</font>

[packt up]

Unfortunatly, relying on Newcastle is not a good thing.

:cool: OH YEAH BABY

Congrats Chelsea :y:

And Adriano is the man :drool:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

If they don't, please let it be West Brom.

:foc::foc::foc:

Come on Palace :'(

[toxic rooster]

Congratumalations Chelsea.

Expecting a hell of a game against West Brom

[Ogen]

God Villa are just shit. 4-1 down to Spurs at the moment. Need big changes in the summer only areas where we're not stupidly weak is central defence, right and centre midfield.

[Wengerland]

Beat Leeds 2-0, super Dion and Connolly :love:

Walker saved a penalty aswell.

[PSIcological]

Beat Leeds 2-0, super Dion and Connolly :love:

Walker saved a penalty aswell.

Marlon King, football genius :roll:

[Cactus Sid]

United fans, cherish this, because I don't say it often

As shite as Charlton were today, United were fucking awesome. I've rarely seen a side cut through another as easily as they did, and as much as I hate to say it, Rooney was unstoppable, they were just brilliant, and its a good omen for you next season if you can continue to play like that.

[Ogen]

2-1 Chelsea for tonight

[Ogen]

dependant on duff or robben playing

[Cactus Sid]

I reckon its gonna be a 1-1 draw, which ultimately will send Chelsea through

I think its gonna be an amazing game whatever the result

[PSIcological]

i'm not entirely convinced that went in all the way :-\

[Cactus Sid]

I think its been given because the linesman may have thought it should have been a penalty before

It looks over, maybe not all the way over, Gallas has his foot quite far behind the line, who knows.

I don't care right now anyway, I just hope we can hold on

[The Answer]

Wow, an unbelivable win by Liverpool today. This Chelsea team didn't have the heart that Mourinho's Porto team had :D .

[Cactus Sid]

WALK ON
WALK ON
WITH HOPE
IN YOUR HEART
AND YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE.....ALONE
YOU'LL NEVER WALK
ALONE

FUCKING COME ON

[Cactus Sid]

I tell you what, I am gonna hit my mate if he says "I Don't Rate Jamie Carragher" ever again.

They were just...amazing, most amazing footballing moment I've ever experienced, and I can't wait for the final.

Gotta say, big props to the Chelsea team and Mourinho for the way the conducted themselves after the game, that was dead classy.

[Y2Ant]

whoops, fell asleep at half time :o long day :(

that goal didn't look over the line, but it was hard to tell, nice to see Liverpool get to the final though, I hope they go on and win it now, that miss at the end by Gudjohnsen fucking hell :o :$

can't wait to see what moves Chelsea (and many other teams) are gonna make in the summer

[soconnor]

hahahahahahaha :D

Hope you enjoyed your ride home Dazz :)

It's about time we got one over these fuckers

I'd love it if it didn't go over the line, final here we come

[Ogen]

Fair fucks to the Pool they deserved that one. Even if it didn't go over it would have been a penalty and Cech would have been sent off so they can't really complain there. Atmospthere in the pub was fantastic I was so jealous of the Liverpool fans I'm still waiting for a Villa night like that

[Ogen]

Also if Gerrard to Chelsea isn't already a done deal than hes a complete choke artist. Utter shite for the 2 legs he was if they win it let Carragher lift it, he was fantastic all night

[Ogen]

I was so jealous of the Liverpool fans in the pub btw really want Villa to have a night like that. I've never experienced anything like it with club football really. Being at Ireland Holland when McAteer won it for us is the closest I've come really want to feel it with Villa.

[toxic rooster]

"Just imagine....for one moment.........IT'S JASON McATEER" [/Bono]

[Danny Electric]

I love Jamie Carragher so much. My player of the season. The way we defended and held out was awesome. Benitez is the master technician.
One of my greatest nights as a Liverpool fan, if I had the cash I would go to Istanbul.

[Danny Electric]

I'm so happy. The Chelsea lads gave there all tonight, apart from Drogba. Who was shit. I love Lampard and Terry, they always give all they can.
I don't know if it was a goal.

[Ogen]

Don't think it was but tbh they'd probably have taken going a goal down rather than lose Cech play the rest with 10 men and more than likely concede the peno. No matter what they'd to score to win so..

[Danny Electric]

Yeah, I thought that too.
Especially as it was in the fouth minute, would have been bad on them to play with 10 men for that long.

[packt up]

Wow can't believe it but all credit deserved by Liverpool :y: I didn't think you'd get past Juventus never mind Chelsea. Truly great performance particularly from Carragher and the rest of the defence. Didn't think the goal was in but oh well probably was a penalty otherwise.

And good old Drogba was a devastating as I always think he is :y: DUNNO WHAT U SEE IN HIM DAZZ

[yianni]

Not sure about the goal, I wasn't entirely convinced it crossed the line but I agree with what others have said how Liverpool should have been given a penalty anyway and Cech sent off. That dickhead ESPN commentator Tommy Smyth was yapping on how it was clearly a goal and I'm just sitting there going "shut up you cunt how the fuck can you tell so clearly :roll: "

Is it just me though or did the defender who went to clear the ball off the line for that goal (can't remember who it was) seem to casually go about trying to clear it? Maybe it was the fact it was so early in the morning and I was half asleep :o, but it looked like he just couldn't be arsed scrambling over to the line to clear it. :|

Gudjohnsen at the end...fucken hell what a dramatic end to the tie that would have been had it gone in :o, Carragher was fantastic for Liverpool, nice save from Dudek on that Lampard free kick. Lampard and Terry as usual tried hard, it was a great leg to watch as a neutral spectator. Could those conspiracy theories actually become reality :eek:

[toxic rooster]

I'm pretty sure it was Gallas, yianni. And full agreement about Tommy Smyth, espn seriously have the worst commentators ever. Especially that wanker who talks with the yankish accent, Janush or whatever his name is.

How the fuck was it ever 6 minutes stoppage time though? Granted the 2 fuckwits ran on the pitch and stopped the game, but it was never worth 6 minutes.

Ah well, come on PSV :o

[yianni]

30 seconds for each sub, so what that's 2-3 mins. Then another minute or so for the pitch invaders. I actually agree with that dickhead Smyth (for once) that it should have been 4 mins and not 6 mins injury time.

Regardless, Liverpool held on anyway.

[toxic rooster]

But mate I tell you, we would all be spewing about it on here had Gudjohnsen's shot gone in, considering it was in the 6th minute

[yianni]

No shit cunt but it didn't happen. :p

[toxic rooster]

No shit cunt but those 2 liverpool "fans" would be getting lynched right now

[yianni]

Cunts were booing them regardless.

[Wengerland]

Well done to Liverpool, wasn't a great game but Carragher was immense again, and the others at the back did well too. Good atmosphere aswell.

If Pellegrino is recalled for the Arsenal game then i will go mad.

[toxic rooster]

Apparently the invaders were Barca fans having a shit at Mourinho after the fiasco at the Barca-Chelsea first leg, who have their own site www.jimmyjump.com

They were the ones behind the Euro final invasion too.

[The Mackem]

It was just one of those Liverpool European nights which they are famous for. I enjoyed it.

[toxic rooster]

Yeah.

Was waiting for the "you'll never walk alone" to break out around 88 minutes. Didn't hear it though :o

Everyone swinging their scarves above their heads right at the end was very effective though, I'd like to see that more often

[Danny Electric]

thanks wee gooner for this

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,15177554-29437,00.html

funny stuff

[toxic rooster]

Yeah, we Aussies grab at straws don't we

[Cactus Sid]

To be fair, he did hold the ball up well when we really needed it

[toxic rooster]

Yes, he did do that. But it was never 'sparkling'

[Danny Electric]

Yes

[yianni]

About fucking time Kewell started playing again. Hopefully he gets back to his best to coincide with the Confederations Cup mid-year then continue that into the World Cup Qualifiers at the end of the year. :y:

[Ogen]

Kewell is shite and hes a lazy cunt to boot.

[Rob]

That was NEVER a goal. I'm glad Chelsea got beat but I'd be hella pissed if my team got beat by a goal that didn't cross the line. Some of the petty stuff Chelsea players were doing near the end was just pathetic. I give Mourinho his props though for making his team stay on the field and wait for the Liverpool players to stop celebrating so they could shake hands. AC Milan will piss it now though. Have a team less deserving than Liverpool ever got to a European cup final before?

[toxic rooster]

I'd be hella pissed if my team got beat by a goal that didn't cross the line.
Though it would be justice for that time you didn't get beat by a goal that did cross the line, would it not?

[toxic rooster]

About fucking time Kewell started playing again. Hopefully he gets back to his best to coincide with the Confederations Cup mid-year then continue that into the World Cup Qualifiers at the end of the year. :y:
It's not coincidental at all that his announcement that he's suddenly fit and will to play coincided with the champions league semi final at all?

[toxic rooster]

I don't think you could really call it a goal either btw. I have no sympathy for Chelsea over it at all though, because they still went 2 whole legs without scoring a single goal and thus didn't deserve to go through

[yianni]

Kewell is shite and hes a lazy cunt to boot.
On his day he is fucking righteous.

Problem is the cunt hasn't done that since his Leeds days. :|

[PSIcological]

going back to the goal, carvalho could have hoofed it away anyway but he left it for gallas. If he'd hit it then there'd be no arguments

[soconnor]

Beating Juventus and Chelsea is deserving enough, not to mention we've won there several times before. Let's not brag too much, be confident it's coming home again. We'll beat Arsenal on Sunday, then they can lift the FA cup over the scum

All good :love:

[Danny Electric]

Beating Juventus and Chelsea is deserving enough,




:y:

We've got to the finals on the basis of our performance, therefore if we are 'not deserving' of it then neither is anyone else in the Champions League.
I think we're desrving enough thankyou.

[soconnor]

I'm sick of the scum fans crying about how teams should be seeded as no one wants to see PSV Vs. Liverpool in the final. Get a fucking clue, to get in the final you need to beat the top teams, if you can't hack it then you get knocked out. AC Milan may be the best club in the world but that doesn't make them the best on the night. Liverpool deserve to be in the final, fuck Man United, Arsenal and Chelsea. Chelsea should have been knocked out by Barcelona for fouling the goalkeeper for their winning goal. Not to mention if our goal didn't go in then it's a penalty and a sending off.

Man U and Arsenal just didn't perform well at all. Man U getting beat at home was embarrassing, Arsenal losing were still passing the ball with minutes to spare. Anyways even if we lose the final we're still proud of our achievements and next year if Benitez get a decent kitty then Premiership is not far away. Might be disappointed with Liverpools away form but home and the Champions League, we're fantastic. Some of our players shouldn't be there, but last night we put on a solid team performance. The man of the night was Carragher and he deserves a England place. He's the real heart of our team, consistently amazing. Bring on May 25th.

[Danny Electric]

I agree with what you said about Carrager.
Benitez has shown that he is a great manger in the Chamipons League, give him time to get used to how the Premiership plays. With Benitez as our manager I can see us doing well.

[Ogen]

That was NEVER a goal. I'm glad Chelsea got beat but I'd be hella pissed if my team got beat by a goal that didn't cross the line. Some of the petty stuff Chelsea players were doing near the end was just pathetic. I give Mourinho his props though for making his team stay on the field and wait for the Liverpool players to stop celebrating so they could shake hands. AC Milan will piss it now though. Have a team less deserving than Liverpool ever got to a European cup final before?
Sorry Rob but its bollocks to say they don't deserve it. They've gone and put out two of the best teams in Europe when noone gave them a chance against either of them. Have to go with Milan to win it but its only over one night so anything could happen really.

[Ogen]

Carragher despite how good hes been still doesn't deserve a England place btw Ferdinand and Terry are still better all round he should be giving Campbell a run for his money though

[Ogen]

1-0 PSV they might give Milan a run for it yet

[Ogen]

2-0 PSV looking very good

[soconnor]

Shut the fuck up Ricky. Champions League consists of the top four teams in England and that's the way it is. There's no super league with only the top contenders and anyway we beat Chelsea who are the champions. It's just one of those things, you deserve a slap in the face for such a hack question though. Why do they call it ovaltine?

[Cactus Sid]

On a completely unrelated note, Played my first game back after my calf injury tonight, and was put at.....Centre Back.

I try not to blow my own trumpet, but I actually played a blinder. Diving in for challenges, blocking, even won a few in the air, which was suprising considering I was marking a guy at least 6 inches taller than me. Happy to be back, shame season ends on Sunday :(

[Cactus Sid]

Might as well just scrap the Uefa Cup then.

I just think the case is that the best teams in Europe should be playing in the premier cup competition, regardless of whether they are Champions or not. Manchester United are arguably the biggest and best team in Europe, but they wouldn't have been in the Champions League this season if that was the case. As England have a good record in Europe, they are given 4 places, to increase the amount of quality in the competition.

The Uefa Cup has always been the Secondary Competition, but scrapping it is foolish, as it gives teams who wouldn't normally get into the Champions League the opportunity to play in Europe, which is a good thing for football in every country in Europe. Its simple enough, if these places weren't available, football would be dull as dishwater, as half the top divisions would have nothing to aim for, as they won't be Champions but they wont get relegated.

Unrelated again, but I think, if Liverpool can play the way they have throughout the competition, and Milan play as poorly as they have against PSV, we might have a chance, but Milan are gonna be favourites.

[soconnor]

Bloody hell Cactus Sid, I couldn't give a shit about Bristol City why would anyone care about your football skills. On a completely unrelated note. Why bother scrapping a European competition for lesser clubs which makes money and also provides entertaining football. I don't know Ricky, you tell me. You'd have a point if Chelsea beat Liverpool or if Arsenal didn't get slammed by Leverkusen. Champions League is what it is and UEFA is meaningless but entertaining nonetheless. Just like the Carling Cup.

[Dazz]

Fair play Liverpool, you weren't the better team, but neither were we. The team that deserves to go through always does go through, I honestly believe that, and always have. 4.3cm from crossing the line, but bollocks to it, Cech would have been in trouble and they'd have had a penno otherwise. We were shit attacking, they were superb defensivley, Carragher is the man, I am very pleased for him that they got to the final.

Liverpool's a great place, I didn't see any graffitti, smashed cars or anything I expected, and the fans were really friendly, and quite amusing.

Still glad I went, we always have next year, won the league this year and thats all I wanted.

Still, I felt the tears in my eyes at the end of the game, I was extremely close to crying, to go to the semi's two years running and lose is so fucking gutting it's untrue.

Bring on next year.

Carefree

[soconnor]

I'd love to see your tears Dazz I really would. Still I think you're a fine loser and Liverpool isn't such a bad place after all. Not to mention the Kop is much louder than your place, so you can't say anything bout that. At the end of the day Chelsea is top class and 4 out of 5 ain't bad. I had to stand the devastion of three losses. Still Liverpool needed it more than you did, can't fucking wait. You're 6-1 next year, have a go on that.

[Dazz]

Carragher despite how good hes been still doesn't deserve a England place btw Ferdinand and Terry are still better all round he should be giving Campbell a run for his money though

Stick him at right back, The Duck laughed at me some five years ago when I said to stick him there ahead of Neville, but I still honestly believe it.

[soconnor]

Carragher can play left or right back. At the end of the day he's a valuable asset right away, put him in the position which is lacking and let him excel. If Terry, Rio or Sol gets injured then he's an amazing replacement. He was the best player the last time he played for England so he's got international potential. I'm still gutted over Rio letting Duncan Ferguson get past him, fucking can't forgive him for that.

[Dazz]

I'd love to see your tears Dazz I really would.


Fuck off :D

Still I think you're a fine loser and Liverpool isn't such a bad place after all. Not to mention the Kop is much louder than your place, so you can't say anything bout that. At the end of the day Chelsea is top class and 4 out of 5 ain't bad. I had to stand the devastion of three losses. Still Liverpool needed it more than you did, can't fucking wait. You're 6-1 next year, have a go on that.

50 years to the last time we won the Championship, next year is 50 years to the time we SHOULD have entered the first EVER European Cup, but FA stopped us, fuck it Socconner I think you are right, we have the team and we have the hunger, I am gunna put money on it.

Also, to the tune of Rock the Casbar by the Clash 'Mourinho don't like you...FUCK UEFA...FUCK UEFA' is a great song.

[soconnor]

I could see Liverpool defending the Cup next year so don't be too sure . Anyway you're lacking with a great upfronter, you need Robben fit and I think you'll all set for superstardom. I hope Johnny Vaughn kills himself, I can't think of anymore faggot Chelsea supporters. Might as well play AC Milan in the final, there's no excuses there. Oh Liverpool are so undeserving after beating Juventus, Chelsea and AC Milan.

[soconnor]

So did everything go alright anyway Dazz? No problems. It's the thing with away supporters, there's always some pricks on either side. There probably would have been more trouble in Gudjonnsen could get a shot on target. I'd imagine everyone to be pretty happy, but wearing your blue top must have been risky business.

[Dazz]

And good old Drogba was a devastating as I always think he is :y: DUNNO WHAT U SEE IN HIM DAZZ

Wait till he has some service, and then come back and apologise for that remark :D.

He had no Robben (most of the time) or Duff, Cole wasn't creating anything nor was anyone else, he needs service, he isn't Henry, he can't do it all.

[Dazz]

So did everything go alright anyway Dazz? No problems. It's the thing with away supporters, there's always some pricks on either side. There probably would have been more trouble in Gudjonnsen could get a shot on target. I'd imagine everyone to be pretty happy, but wearing your blue top must have been risky business.

The stupid Scouse police kept Chelsea fans behind for 15 minutes to allow for you lot to leave. How retarded, like anyone scousers were gunna leave. I had a fleece so that if it was hostile after the game I could have covered up my colours, but as you won I just tied my fleece around my waiste and left showing my colours, some scouser out his hand on my shouler and said unlucky mate. Another who was walking the same direction as me was pretty much the same, spoke to him for a few minutes, wished him and the rest of you all the best in the final, shook his hand then got on the coach that took us to the station. Your fans were too extatic to care.

Once I got to Lime Street I went to the shop, and some cheery scouser followed me and shouted 'Luis Garcia, Luis Garcia, what fucking happened, Luis Garcia' but he was only pissing around and I thought it was funny. They are all just singing about being the greatest team in Europe and going to Istanbul, never even looked like there would be trouble, and I never didn't feel safe. Had to keep checking my pockets for my digital Camera, phone and wallet though :0.

[Dazz]

I could see Liverpool defending the Cup next year so don't be too sure . Anyway you're lacking with a great upfronter, you need Robben fit and I think you'll all set for superstardom. I hope Johnny Vaughn kills himself, I can't think of anymore faggot Chelsea supporters. Might as well play AC Milan in the final, there's no excuses there. Oh Liverpool are so undeserving after beating Juventus, Chelsea and AC Milan.

I always wanted Juve in the semi and Milan in the final, you gotta beat the best.

I like Johnny Vaughan, he isn't at all funny but seems like a good bloke none the less.

I don't think you are the underdogs, you have as much chance of winning as them, Juve are pretty much equal to them in the league this season and you held them for 90 mins at their gaff. We couldn't put one past you either. Milan are no better then you lot, on paper they may be, but your managers the man, he won it for you yesterday and against Juve, and he will again at the end of the month.

[packt up]

I'm sick of the scum fans crying about how teams should be seeded as no one wants to see PSV Vs. Liverpool in the final. Get a fucking clue, to get in the final you need to beat the top teams, if you can't hack it then you get knocked out. AC Milan may be the best club in the world but that doesn't make them the best on the night. Liverpool deserve to be in the final, fuck Man United, Arsenal and Chelsea. Chelsea should have been knocked out by Barcelona for fouling the goalkeeper for their winning goal. Not to mention if our goal didn't go in then it's a penalty and a sending off.

Man U and Arsenal just didn't perform well at all. Man U getting beat at home was embarrassing, Arsenal losing were still passing the ball with minutes to spare. Anyways even if we lose the final we're still proud of our achievements and next year if Benitez get a decent kitty then Premiership is not far away. Might be disappointed with Liverpools away form but home and the Champions League, we're fantastic. Some of our players shouldn't be there, but last night we put on a solid team performance. The man of the night was Carragher and he deserves a England place. He's the real heart of our team, consistently amazing. Bring on May 25th.

You know I agree with pretty much everything you said there :y:

Apart from the bit about the Premiership being not far away. You do realise if it finished now you could play 11 games win them all and still probably wouldn't win the title. 33 points doesn't lie and your no where near the Premiership title.

[soconnor]

I don't think the premiership is too far away, it's all nil at the beginning of the season. Thirty plus points is a lot but we showed last night that actually the team difference isn't so massive. Our problems is our away form, we only won four away games and still managed to be in the top five. That can't be so bad. Improve the forward situation and you've got a solid team with Carra at the back, Gerrard and Xabi in the middle. That's a class team of players to build around. Cisse cost us £14 million, hasn't had a chance yet and Nando needs to get round the premiership way. I'm not going to make excuses, we have had a lot of players injured but we'll see if you're right next year.

[Ogen]

Getting ahead of yourself by years now soconnor. Premiership won't happen and as for retaining the Champs Leauge :D at least wait till you've actually won the fucking thing first but theres not a chance of that happening.

[soconnor]

The stupid Scouse police kept Chelsea fans behind for 15 minutes to allow for you lot to leave. How retarded, like anyone scousers were gunna leave. I had a fleece so that if it was hostile after the game I could have covered up my colours, but as you won I just tied my fleece around my waiste and left showing my colours, some scouser out his hand on my shouler and said unlucky mate. Another who was walking the same direction as me was pretty much the same, spoke to him for a few minutes, wished him and the rest of you all the best in the final, shook his hand then got on the coach that took us to the station. Your fans were too extatic to care.

Once I got to Lime Street I went to the shop, and some cheery scouser followed me and shouted 'Luis Garcia, Luis Garcia, what fucking happened, Luis Garcia' but he was only pissing around and I thought it was funny. They are all just singing about being the greatest team in Europe and going to Istanbul, never even looked like there would be trouble, and I never didn't feel safe. Had to keep checking my pockets for my digital Camera, phone and wallet though :0.

That's the thing I'd probably feel safe in Chelsea too if you beat us. I don't think Liverpool is any rougher than anyone else. Like there's always maniacs around. I don't think anyone realises that Liverpool is a really beautiful city if you went around town and shit like that. It's papers like the sun who's given the sterotypical scouser a bad name. We're not all perfect like you aren't. At the end of the day I'm glad you had a good time and you kind of didn't expect to win anyway. There's always Charlton and ten years of Jose to look forward to.

[Dazz]

Once Rafa sorts them out in the summer he will be competeing for a top three finish next season I think.

[Ogen]

Nah the gulfs gonna still be there for a few years the top 3 ain't chaning just yet.

[soconnor]

Getting ahead of yourself by years now soconnor. Premiership won't happen and as for retaining the Champs Leauge :D at least wait till you've actually won the fucking thing first but theres not a chance of that happening.

OK so bet me a million pounds we won't win next season if you're so fucking sure. Let's all be a negative twat like you are, you were probably the person that didn't give Liverpool a chance in the first place. Proven you wrong there, prove you wrong again. Greece winning the Euro cup? Never. Anyway didn't say we'd win 100% but we're in with a chance, I'm a loyal fan and I'm going to be positive. Alonso is my favourite player, Gerrard is the best player in the world when he has his day, Garcia, Nando, Cisse, Carragher, there's potential in the kop for greatness.

[Ogen]

I'd gladly bet you a million pounds on it ffs. I'd even give you odds on it.

[soconnor]

Once Rafa sorts them out in the summer he will be competeing for a top three finish next season I think.

Rafa said he's only building his team round six players. The rest can go. Harry Kewell needs to shape up or fuck off. Our highest paid player on 70k a week, he's a disgrace. I don't want Diouf back, that fucking animal. We need a few million to buy the players and thats the problem. We've earned £30 million from the champions league, can't be bad at all. He does need a chance, he did wonders with Valencia and I'm sure he'll do the same with us. I was only expecting forth place and a carling cup, he's done us proud. There's still lots of improvements though, lots.

[soconnor]

I'd gladly bet you a million pounds on it ffs. I'd even give you odds on it.

OK if Liverpool wins the premiership next season I get your million pounds or sex with your sister. I'm not offering you anything in return though as I don't enjoy it when I gamble my money. Like I said I'm confident Liverpool can do anything with a few new faces and a lot of hard work. We're going up and not down and that's the thing, I reckon Arsenal and Man U are sliding down and we're catching up. Now that top three could easily be top because anything like injuries, poor form, can happen.

[Ogen]

Liverpools aim for next season should be to take 4th and be best of the rest they ain't ready for more than that.

[soconnor]

Don't be a fucking idiot. Seen as though Everton and Bolton is fighting Liverpool for that spot should tell you everything. Our away form was dreadful, we had tonnes of first team players out and some of our main players are awful. Like I said a few new faces, some injury free games and getting form back and we're in there. Don't pretend that Liverpool wouldn't have got forth spot if we had players fit. Lampard, Cech and Terry have played every game this season. That's how you win the premiership.

[Dazz]

That's the thing I'd probably feel safe in Chelsea too if you beat us. I don't think Liverpool is any rougher than anyone else. Like there's always maniacs around. I don't think anyone realises that Liverpool is a really beautiful city if you went around town and shit like that. It's papers like the sun who's given the sterotypical scouser a bad name. We're not all perfect like you aren't. At the end of the day I'm glad you had a good time and you kind of didn't expect to win anyway. There's always Charlton and ten years of Jose to look forward to.

I found this whole 1008 City of Culture thing very bizzare at the time, I still haven't seen much of Liverpool, we got off at Lime Street and got coaches to the ground, so I only saw out the window a small part of the city.

Lots of Liverpool fans were walking round in their colours after the game at our gaff, I was walking out and these three happy scousers came up to me and spoke to me then, the fat lass gave me a hug before she got on the coach, the other two shook my hand, needless to say it was that point I checked my pockets to make sure they weren't empty :D. Your fans are well friendly, we have no reason to hate you lot, I have never had a problem with your fans. We sing scouse songs at you but it's all banter, you lot expect it and would probably be dissapointed if any team didn't taunt you for being scouse :D.

There's as much chance of troule in West London as where you are, my Uncle's had two cars and a car-phone stolen fron West London, there's shooting and stabbings in London all the time too, I hate sleeping at my nans flat in West London coz all I can hear if fucking police and ambulance sirens, London is just as bad in parts. But on the whole, West London is wonderful, it's full of tits, fanny and Chelsea, not to mention Rob Harvey too.

I am strangley happy now actually, I guess it's coz we have the league in the bag, like you say, theres always Charlton, I'm going up the night before and staying their till Sunday to celebrate, probably.

[Ogen]

I'm saying thats what you should be aiming for ffs.

[Dazz]

Liverpools aim for next season should be to take 4th and be best of the rest they ain't ready for more than that.

Mate, not being funny but Liverpool are a massive club, and who wouldn't wanna play for a team that reaches the Champions League final? They have two class keepers who if they can keep concentration are terrific, a defensive pair to match anyone, one hell of a midfield, and three great strikers.

I don't see how you can't think Liverpool will do well. Houllier built a really good team but didn''t know how to use them, Benitez will now know what to do.

Liverpool can do anything they want to, I wouldnever rule them out winning the league, I don't think they will, but I'd never write them off.

[soconnor]

I found this whole 1008 City of Culture thing very bizzare at the time, I still haven't seen much of Liverpool, we got off at Lime Street and got coaches to the ground, so I only saw out the window a small part of the city.

Lots of Liverpool fans were walking round in their colours after the game at our gaff, I was walking out and these three happy scousers came up to me and spoke to me then, the fat lass gave me a hug before she got on the coach, the other two shook my hand, needless to say it was that point I checked my pockets to make sure they weren't empty :D. Your fans are well friendly, we have no reason to hate you lot, I have never had a problem with your fans. We sing scouse songs at you but it's all banter, you lot expect it and would probably be dissapointed if any team didn't taunt you for being scouse :D.

There's as much chance of troule in West London as where you are, my Uncle's had two cars and a car-phone stolen fron West London, there's shooting and stabbings in London all the time too, I hate sleeping at my nans flat in West London coz all I can hear if fucking police and ambulance sirens, London is just as bad in parts. But on the whole, West London is wonderful, it's full of tits, fanny and Chelsea, not to mention Rob Harvey too.

I am strangley happy now actually, I guess it's coz we have the league in the bag, like you say, theres always Charlton, I'm going up the night before and staying their till Sunday to celebrate, probably.

Good shit man, rivarly always gets personal as there's always taunting that makes you agitated. The only team I really dislike is Man United, half my friends are Everton fans so you can't really complain. We are the capital of culture 2008 so there's going to be loads of money pumped into better facilities . We're as good as anywhere, I'm going to London myself over the weekend and I'm sick to see so many Man United fans in the pubs. I wish there was some chelsea fans for the arsenal game, at least I'd get a bit of support in there.

[Ogen]

Massive club and very much a sleeping giant being rewoken but its not going to happen just yet is alll I'm saying.

[soconnor]

Like you said Dazz, top three is more like it. Then it's anyones game after that. Games can swing either way. I don't know what team Ogen supports but it's obviously not Liverpool, the best of the rest? Fucking hell. Even if you went Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea, there's no one better after that.

[Dazz]

Good shit man, rivarly always gets personal as there's always taunting that makes you agitated. The only team I really dislike is Man United, half my friends are Everton fans so you can't really complain. We are the capital of culture 2008 so there's going to be loads of money pumped into better facilities . We're as good as anywhere, I'm going to London myself over the weekend and I'm sick to see so many Man United fans in the pubs. I wish there was some chelsea fans for the arsenal game, at least I'd get a bit of support in there.

Yeah I am off to Old Trafford on Tuesday, but fuck off am I wearing my colours after the game, just like I wouldn't afterwards Vs Arsenal or Spurs. Rivalries are good when it's banter, but people take it too far and there are seriosu twats. Unfortunatly, we have alot of them. After the bolton game on Saturday we were in the streets celebrating and people starting anti-IRA and holocaust songs, and about Harry someone being our friend because he kills coppers. Our fans are probably the biggest set of cunts you will meet. Fortunatly Babbsy's firm is no longer around, they were the main ones likely to cut people and arrange violence.

If you have time, get the tube to Covent Garden, turn left as you get out of the station, walk a few yards to the end of the road and turn right, then you will see a crowd of people watching an entertainer bloke do weird funny shit. This guy is seriously funny, and picks of members of the audience sometimes too, its great stuff.

[Ogen]

I'm a Villa fan all I'm saying is that the gulf is still too big to be taken next season after that who knows but for now you just keep on biulding on what you have.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I dunno, it depends if you keep Pellegrino and keep dropping Hyypia so he can play.

Because he seriously is terrible.</font>

[soconnor]

Yeah my Liverpool kit is staying well alone. That's why I enjoy watching the match in front of the TV with a beer. I go the pub occasionally to for away games. I've got my season ticket and I'm sticking with it. I feel safe with 40,000 Liverpool fans around me, anywhere else and I'm a fucking pussy. Fucking Ogen, don't make another point about Liverpool being forth. Maybe this season it'd be the best but next year, we can can only get better. That's my point anyway, agree/disagree. Eat shit. We all have our opinions and bias on our teams.

[soconnor]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I dunno, it depends if you keep Pellegrino and keep dropping Hyypia so he can play.

Because he seriously is terrible.</font>

Hyypia will stay and Pellegrino will go on his six month contract. We'll be after another solid defender for replacement as Hyypia is getting older. Now Baros can go, Kewell, Traore, Biscan, Dudek and those were the players who just had a game. That's how Rafa is going to turn a fifth place team into a top three.

[Dazz]

Like you said Dazz, top three is more like it. Then it's anyones game after that. Games can swing either way. I don't know what team Ogen supports but it's obviously not Liverpool, the best of the rest? Fucking hell. Even if you went Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea, there's no one better after that.

He is a Villa fan.

Whilst watching the bolton game int he pub on Saturday a Villa fan was also watching it with us, and she said to me at 1-0 Chelsea that it'd be a draw, and I said why do you think that, and she said being a Villa fan she is always pessimistic.

the cunts, they need to believe, Jose has injected new found belief into me.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Biscan is the man, id take him. :cool:

Get rid of Nunez too, he's shite.</font>

[soconnor]

What's up with these new found Chelsea fans, lost QPR so quickly. It's hard liking a team with a Russian billionaire crook and limitless bank balance. Not to mention Jose is a cheating bastard. In a postive light though he's the funniest and confident manager I've seen in years, Chelsea has overlapped Arsenal and Man United. It's never a three horse race though. We're not the fucking Scottish league.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">you're a season ticket holder? :o

I didn't think you even liked football until you started posting in here :$

You learn something new every day.</font>

[soconnor]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Biscan is the man, id take him. :cool:

Get rid of Nunez too, he's shite.</font>

Nunez, Smicer, Diao. There's too much dead weight to name, it'd be depressing to go through the list. Still I do believe we have the top players in the premiership, and can match anyones best team player to ours.

[soconnor]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">you're a season ticket holder? :o

I didn't think you even liked football until you started posting in here :$

You learn something new every day.</font>

Yeah this thread has been full of cock posts so unless I had a bit of confidence I wasn't going to jump into this mess. Now we're in the champions league final I actually have a few comebacks. Now if I was a villa fan, I'd just kill myself already. I do have a season ticket, my name is Yasser Arafat or some shit. Crazy.

[Dazz]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">
Get rid of Nunez too, he's shite.</font>

Fuck off you idiot, how many other players who'se name ends in ez can they get? The song is terrific and getting rid of Nunez will ruin it.

[The Mask]

I think Liverpool in 4th next season is realistic enough, but with the money from the CL campaign, the gap will be closed a good deal I'd reckon. Then there's always the chance of us being utterly fucking terrible and losing to the bottom teams after tonking the top ones. That or arsenal could go into the background a bit because i think the fact they've not retained the championship AGAIN must be playing on their minds.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Carlos Tevez
Nuno Gomez</font>

[Ogen]

Jesus you'd swear I was predicting relegation. 4th would be a improvement remember since as it stands your not even the top team on the merseyside.

[Dazz]

What's up with these new found Chelsea fans, lost QPR so quickly. It's hard liking a team with a Russian billionaire crook and limitless bank balance. Not to mention Jose is a cheating bastard. In a postive light though he's the funniest and confident manager I've seen in years, Chelsea has overlapped Arsenal and Man United. It's never a three horse race though. We're not the fucking Scottish league.

I ask myself the same questions, during the Bolton game I was down the pub at Stamford Bridge Chelsea TV intervied two of my friends, and people were shouting stuff about them being fake fans, :wtf: what assumption is that based on. After the Bolton game I was down the Fulham Road to join in the celebrations, and some geezer came up to me and asked when I have supported Chelsea sicne and how old I am, like it even mattered to him. I don't need to prove to anyone I am a real fan, if they believe me I couldn't care less, and if they don't I couldn't care less.

[soconnor]

Jesus you'd swear I was predicting relegation. 4th would be a improvement remember since as it stands your not even the top team on the merseyside.


Really? You believe that shit. It's only three points in it, it could go anywhere. Not saying we'll get forth but lets see Everton get in the Champions league final. They've had their run of luck, now it's only downhill for them. Might even see them in the UEFA cup, let's see if Aston Villa joins us.

[Danny Electric]

I'd sell nunez on ebay and give away kewell for free with him.

[Dazz]

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Tevez is already ours, Gomez could work

Yeah my Liverpool kit is staying well alone. That's why I enjoy watching the match in front of the TV with a beer. I go the pub occasionally to for away games. I've got my season ticket and I'm sticking with it. I feel safe with 40,000 Liverpool fans around me, anywhere else and I'm a fucking pussy. Fucking Ogen, don't make another point about Liverpool being forth. Maybe this season it'd be the best but next year, we can can only get better. That's my point anyway, agree/disagree. Eat shit. We all have our opinions and bias on our teams.

After you have been to an away game you'll wanna go to more, I was telling RBF this the other week, there is no better buzz then watching your team win away, knowing you travelled somewhere and your team wins. The atmosphere with away fans is great, you lot play good football (sometimes, but not when away) and it's just a great day out. I'd sooner have an away season ticket then a home one, I love watching us away. Lot's of people don't wear their colours, and you normally only get violence if you are looking for it.

[Rob Ban Fan]

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[Dazz]

Alright fine.

[soconnor]

Seen as though we won four away games all season then I'm glad I didn't. It's easy being a chelsea fan and saying that but going the pub and having Everton fans is hard enough. I'm not the best loser in the world, I can't take that shit. Not to mention having a five hour coach ride home. I just can't do it. I'm twenty. Maybe when I'm older I'd be happier but right now I've got the stella in one hand and remote in the other for TV games.

I reckon we should just change all our players to have ez on the end. Like Gerrardez, Carragherez, Morientez, Cissez and of course the one and only nunez. Also make dudek, dude k. I would enjoy that much much more. That was just for you RBF. For everyone else. Fuck off it's sarcasm. Nunez is the only and only ez for me.

[Dazz]

Yeah I suppose the fact we win away helps, but here's the list of games I have been to away:

Fulham - won 2-0
Portsmouth - won 2-0
Newcastle - lose 1-0
Liverpool - lost 1-0
Norwich - won 3-1
Nou Camp - lost 2-1
Bayern Munich - Lost 3-2

obviously the best two were the abroad ones, the best two English ones (result aside) were Newcastle and Liverpool, both of which I thought we'd lose even before getting my ticket.

Right now I'd say I'd go even if we were shit, but truth is I probably wouldn't but as we are good now I am bound to say that. We will see all in good time.

[yianni]

PSV :'(

[Danny Electric]

:(

[toxic rooster]

Happy Birthday Cesc :love:

[Wengerland]

I reckon Liverpool can challenge next season, i mean they'd have 4th place wrapped up if it wasn't for injuries. I know everyone has to deal with them but they've had Gerrard out for 2 months or so, Alonso for 4 i think, Kirkland pretty much all the time, Cisse for ages. Kirkland might not be guaranteed first team football but the other three are probably Liverpool's most talented players.

If Benitez can bring in some more good players and some better quality back up, aswell as the team's key players steering clear of bad injury, then they'll at least close the gap.

[packt up]

If they do I'd be surprised thats all I'll say.

I got your back Ogen.