Beastie Boys new CD...Silent DRM install?

[Kane Knight]

http://msl1.mit.edu/furdlog/index.php?p=2099

It seems that Capitol Records has some sort of new copy protection system, that automatically, silently, installs “helpful” copy protection software on MacOS and Windows as soon as you insert the CD into default systems. I’m not sure exactly what it does yet, but I am sure regreting actually purchasing said media now… they don’t deserve my money if they choose to pull stupid stunts like this. Installing software without your permission sounds like viral malware behaviour to me. I certainly hope the AV companies put signatures into their products for this crap.

They include some sort of uninstaller buried on there for Windows, but I see no such thing for MacOS.

[Silent]

Wasn't gonna get the CD anyway, Beastie Boys annoy me.

[Kane Knight]

Apparently, it's everywhere but the US and UK, and it's EMI policy.

[Jonster]

Sounds a bit illegal to me :-\

[Rob]

Sounds a bit illegal to me :-\

Yeah. How dare they try to stop people legally downloading through Kazaa, Soulseek, etc?

[Jonster]

Yeah. How dare they try to stop people legally downloading through Kazaa, Soulseek, etc?
I meant in the unauthorised installation of software on the PC.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah. How dare they try to stop people legally downloading through Kazaa, Soulseek, etc?
I'm assuming you're one of the software designers then.

Could you please explain to me how this software (and silent installs are illegal to include in most countries) differentiates between pirates and people using things personally?

It's less how dare they try and stop people from downloading (Incidentally, this albums already up on Kazaa and soulseek, so they did a shit job), and more how dare they use methods potentially harmful to computers of legitimate users?

[Rob]

I'm assuming you're one of the software designers then.

Could you please explain to me how this software (and silent installs are illegal to include in most countries) differentiates between pirates and people using things personally?

It's less how dare they try and stop people from downloading (Incidentally, this albums already up on Kazaa and soulseek, so they did a shit job), and more how dare they use methods potentially harmful to computers of legitimate users?

You can assume if you like. In reality, I don't care. Just found funny how someone talked about illegal stances when downloading is hardly legal and we all do it.

[Kane Knight]

You can assume if you like. In reality, I don't care. Just found funny how someone talked about illegal stances when downloading is hardly legal and we all do it.
I can see how downloading an MP3 and indiscriminately damaging computers can be considered the same thing.

[Rob]

So can I. Both illegal.

[Jonster]

(Incidentally, this albums already up on Kazaa and soulseek, so they did a shit job)

Incidentally I downloaded it off the torrent network before it was released.
Then I brought it on Monday because I'm nice like that.

[Kane Knight]

So can I. Both illegal.
So are murder and littering.

I hereby declare that we should push the death penalty for all litterbugs.

[Kane Knight]

Incidentally I downloaded it off the torrent network before it was released.
Then I brought it on Monday because I'm nice like that.
Shwos how good that copy protection works.

I don't care enough to buy it, but I don't care enough to download it either. There's such balance in nature.

[el fregadero]

You can uninstall it, right?

[Kane Knight]

If you're on a PC, yes.

[el fregadero]

Just making sure.

[Kane Knight]

It's also apparently difficult, even on a PC.

[Rob]

So are murder and littering.

I hereby declare that we should push the death penalty for all litterbugs.

Now you're talking.

[Kane Knight]

:D

[Mr. Monday Morning]

An uninstaller won't necessarily completely uninstall something. Especially when it's provided by the same people.

[Kane Knight]

An uninstaller won't necessarily completely uninstall something. Especially when it's provided by the same people.
Point's kinda moot anyways.

Most people don't know it's there, and won't know about the option to uninstall (a program which they probably won't know bout in the first plae).

So it's academic at best, like arguing which air conditioner's better at the North Pole.

[Eternalone79]

I hate the copy procetion shit because I use MP3 in my car and it makes hard-but not immpossible to put good shit on my cds

[Outsider]

There is an assumption there that everyone who wants to copy CD's is doing so to rip people off. What about people who copy a CD to listen to in a different CD player or as a back-up copy incase they lose one? Perfectly legal!

However, in all cases, installing software onto a computer without the autorisation of the user is illegal

[asphyXy]

<font color=969696>In the end, if they end up making CDs 100% copy proof [which they wont], all you need is someone to record the CD with a high quality line in.

The next step would be to make CDs that only play in certain players without a line out... meaning you wouldn't be able to listen to them. Good job RIAA.</font>

[Funky Fly]

Yeah, exactly. Back when I had a laptop (way back in the Napster days), I recorded my mp3 to cassetes for the car via line in to a tape player. It sounded crisp and clear, even better than recording from radio.

[Kane Knight]

There is an assumption there that everyone who wants to copy CD's is doing so to rip people off. What about people who copy a CD to listen to in a different CD player or as a back-up copy incase they lose one? Perfectly legal!

However, in all cases, installing software onto a computer without the autorisation of the user is illegal
Let's be realistic. the RIAA and foreign counterparts know there are leegit uses. In the 80s, they (And other similar entities, such as aDisney) sued to make those rights illegal. Thewy know (Painfully) that there are legal uses, and many of the companies complaining about piracy are also marketing the CD-Rs and the computers and the MP3 players.

The thing is, they don't want to admit there are legal uses. They want to make a hardline "Piracy is bad, k?" stance, so that they can take as much ground as they want.

Hell, I got yelled at a couple days ago when I told someone I was ripping a copy of the VR album, because piracy is bad.

Except....I was ripping...It...To...My...Portable...Which...Only...I...Use...

[Kane Knight]

In the end, if they end up making CDs 100% copy proof [which they wont], all you need is someone to record the CD with a high quality line in.

The next step would be to make CDs that only play in certain players without a line out... meaning you wouldn't be able to listen to them. Good job RIAA.
You notice the market tendency to push towards "all in one" units?

They prevent piracy by having internal connections with other units, hardwired in.

Still, this is only preventing the casual user from ripping it. The dedicated already have a cokmplete deck, and can rip and share as they choose.

I have a CD-R hooked to my stereo. essetnially, it's an optimal quality line out. I mostly use it to extract obscure Boston vinyl onto CD-R, but I could use it to operate for piracy purposes. And, of course, all it takes is one copy to make it to the P2P networks.

[asphyXy]

<font color=969696>The problem with piracy and P2P sharing is not the casual user. A casual user doesn't do the ripping. Why can't the record companies see this?</font>

[Kane Knight]

Because it doesn't suit them to wake up to reality.

If they were going to us elogic, they'd lower prices on records, because the major sales losses appear to be not from piracy and more from indie record labels.

[asphyXy]

<font color=969696>The End Records :love:</font>

[Kane Knight]

now you're talking. The fact is, record sales are down. Slightly. MAJOR label record sales are down significantly, but INDIE/MINOR label sales are WAYYYY UP.

They can't kill the indies, though, so they're lashing out at their fans.

[asphyXy]

<font color=969696>I just bought something from The End two seconds ago. This thread inspired me.</font>

[Kane Knight]

I just bought something from The End two seconds ago. This thread inspired me.
Glad I could help.

Kill the RIAA!