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Mayo
07-18-2004, 05:31 PM
Vote for your choice.

Funky Fly
07-18-2004, 05:33 PM
I assume there is a poll coming.

Innovator
07-18-2004, 05:36 PM
I'm saying lack of quality main eventers. The key word there is quality

LK
07-18-2004, 05:39 PM
Cruiserweights aren't allowed to wrestle at a maximum level although the show has improved recently.

Mayo
07-18-2004, 05:39 PM
I agree with Innovator. Guys like RVD, Booker, and Cena (soon) can be thrust into the ME scene and put on some great matches to make people watch. Somehow getting Jericho to Smackdown would help greatly, but I doubt this will happen. At least Angle will be wrestling again soon, so it helps. Having Taker and JBL as ME's makes for boring PPV matches, and that is where the show has lacked a lot lately.

Funky Fly
07-18-2004, 05:39 PM
1,2,3 and 6. But mainly 1 and 2.

asphyXy
07-18-2004, 05:51 PM
<font color=969696>Spike Dudley has been awesome lately. I enjoy watching him wrestle. They should have 2 or 3 cruiserweight matches every week instead of throwing every crusierweight into one match.

Every time I see JBL, I remember Justin Hawk Bradshaw.</font>

MVP
07-18-2004, 05:52 PM
All of those reasons, especially the first one.

Funky Fly
07-18-2004, 05:57 PM
<font color=969696>Spike Dudley has been awesome lately. I enjoy watching him wrestle. They should have 2 or 3 cruiserweight matches every week instead of throwing every crusierweight into one match.

Every time I see JBL, I remember Justin Hawk Bradshaw.</font>
*brands you*

The Mackem
07-18-2004, 06:21 PM
I say it's the spoilers.

Mayo
07-18-2004, 06:24 PM
http://www.gerweck.net/justinhawk.jpg

http://www.dancingswines.co.uk/evad/ministry_bradshaw.jpg

YEE HAW!

Thriller
07-18-2004, 07:05 PM
I say poor wrestling,or lack of wrestling for that matter.There was a time when Smackdown had better wrestling than raw and now for some reason that all changed.They dont give the wrestlers enough time to tell a story in the ring and seem to rush fueds.I for one marked out when i heard London/Kidman won the tag titles but i thought if they built them as a serious threat then id would have ment more,instead i bet people are just waiting for them to drop them.The problem is WWE rushes to find thing that will work and in the process are buring themselves in the process.its reminesant of WCW.If they take there time and just let thing go as the may i believe smackdown would be right up there with Raw

The CyNick
07-18-2004, 07:59 PM
I dont think its that bad anymore. Last few weeks have been good, and they've been on and off good for the better part of 5 or 6 weeks now I'd say.

If Angle can wrestle on any kind of regular basis SD should really start kciking again.

But any problems they had were simply due to the fact that they lost most of their credible main eventers with nothing in return.

Mayo
07-18-2004, 08:01 PM
LOL @ JBL in 3rd place, I put him in as kind of a joke.

The CyNick
07-18-2004, 08:04 PM
See thats a case where he has heat with people on the net, but the numbers say he's definately not hurting business on the SD side, and in some cases you could argue he's helping.

Fryza
07-18-2004, 08:11 PM
I'd have to say the booking and writing. If they booked people in the right spots and wrote them up better promos and such, then the lack of quality main events would be solved, and the cruisers could get more air time.

Really, it comes down to the booking and writing to determine just about everything else..

Londoner
07-18-2004, 08:15 PM
Ill'd say its mainly lack of star power, because no matter how shit the booking is aslong as you've got stars on your show like Guerrero people will watch it. Guerrero is one of the only reasons i watch Smackdown, along with Cena, though he irritates me abit these days.

Batsu
07-18-2004, 08:36 PM
Booking and writing foremost, but there are other choices that appeared in the poll that apply.

It's been good, strangely enough since JBL became champ but not -because- he became champ. The undercard is a lot more interesting now...

The CyNick
07-18-2004, 09:13 PM
I'd have to say the booking and writing. If they booked people in the right spots and wrote them up better promos and such, then the lack of quality main events would be solved, and the cruisers could get more air time.

Really, it comes down to the booking and writing to determine just about everything else..

But who would you have pushed? RVD and BT were not seen as main eventers, aside form them who is left? When Eddie was given the title in Feb it looked like he had months of programs with Kurt and Brock, but they lost both those guys and didn't add anyone of equal value. Thats what more than anything. Yeah the writing has been bad to a point, but its bad on RAW too, and that show hasn't sufferend as much.

Fryza
07-18-2004, 09:13 PM
But who would you have pushed? RVD and BT were not seen as main eventers, aside form them who is left? When Eddie was given the title in Feb it looked like he had months of programs with Kurt and Brock, but they lost both those guys and didn't add anyone of equal value. Thats what more than anything. Yeah the writing has been bad to a point, but its bad on RAW too, and that show hasn't sufferend as much.

Booker and Van Dam weren't seen as main eventers, but about six months ago, could you see JBL as one?

The CyNick
07-18-2004, 09:50 PM
Booker and Van Dam weren't seen as main eventers, but about six months ago, could you see JBL as one?

No, but the point is they needed someone right away, they didn't have 6 months to wait. I think their thinking was between Book and JBL, I think they figured Book had been near the top and didn't do much, so go with JBL because A) he's new and B) he's a loyal WWE guy.

mike616
07-18-2004, 10:24 PM
I think it's a bit of everything bad creative weakend roster and a joke of a champion.

Thriller
07-18-2004, 10:36 PM
I think it's a bit of everything bad creative weakend roster and a joke of a champion.

JBL is not a weak ass champ.He is doing everyone thing that a monster heel should do.Thats make us hate him.You look at some of the past champs.Sid,Slaughter,Warrior.They sucked ass but did what they were suppose to do and thats makes hate them or in warriors case"mark out".Now character if im wrong but wouldnt you all love to see JBL get his ass handed to himm?

Savio
07-18-2004, 11:09 PM
Def not wrestling that cage match was pretty good.

Marik Ishtar
07-18-2004, 11:13 PM
Bad booking/writing is probably the biggest reason for why the show is at its current state.

mike616
07-18-2004, 11:14 PM
Ok maybe y'all are right the cage match was good . Thing is the only reason I see making JBL champ is to make HHH look better when he wins the HWC back at SummerSlam.

Thriller
07-18-2004, 11:19 PM
Ok maybe y'all are right the cage match was good . Thing is the only reason I see making JBL champ is to make HHH look better when he wins the HWC back at SummerSlam.
I guess every thing that happens in wrestling is one big conspiracy by HHH

Fryza
07-18-2004, 11:29 PM
No, but the point is they needed someone right away, they didn't have 6 months to wait. I think their thinking was between Book and JBL, I think they figured Book had been near the top and didn't do much, so go with JBL because A) he's new and B) he's a loyal WWE guy.

Yeah, I understand that the WWE is lacking main eventers on SD! pretty badly, but bad booking and writing certainly does nothing for that situation. If your booking/writing it too poor to come up with decent gimmicks and wrestlers in correct air time, then the other categories occur..

:-\

Favre4Ever
07-18-2004, 11:37 PM
1,2,5 and 6

Marik Ishtar
07-18-2004, 11:38 PM
What makes them write so poorly? Not enough pay?

mike616
07-18-2004, 11:49 PM
I guess every thing that happens in wrestling is one big conspiracy by HHH Hi! I really don't belive everything is HHH's fault what bugs me is that IHMO JBL is simply unworthy of the WWE Championship maybe given time he may prove me wrong. :shifty:

Innovator
07-19-2004, 12:03 AM
Who would have thought back in 1998 that in 6 years Blackhawk Bradshaw would be champ............urge to kill rising...

Batsu
07-19-2004, 06:24 AM
Booker and RVD not main event caliber? Please.

The only reason they fell from grace is because the bookers (and backstage politics?) made them so. RVD's highest point in WWE to me was when he actually countered Brock's F5 in that one match... bear in mind, this was during Brock's unbeaten "streak"...and NO ONE to that point had done that... when RVD was screwed out of that match, that set the stage for him to get his revenge, but they never did that. (Ditto for Benoit and Austin later on...)

and Booker T? All I have to say is Wrestlemania 19. Worst match build-up to result ever in the last 5 years. The logical thing was to have HHH drop that belt then and there. For one month at least. Booker T had gone from a poorly-booked Rock ripoff to a bonafide shot at being WWE's top babyface. The fans were already finishing his catchphrases, his Spinaroonie was reaching "WWE taunt move" popularity levels.... and then they dropped the ball. It reminded me a lot of Chris Jericho and "The Match That Didn't Count"....even though he got the title later, that RAW title change seemed more exciting and worthwhile. Every time Chris Jericho gets close to becoming the top guy, they mire him in the midcard (even as champ, he seemed more midcardy than main event)...

anyone who would choose JBL out of a choice between him and Booker T is on crack and seriously needs to put down the pipe; Booker T's a proven main-eventer... and JBL hadn't even won a midcard title (IC/US level) yet. I thought perhaps they were going to push Booker as the number 1 heel...and they had a good thing going, with his attacks on RVD, then the Undertaker thing came, and Booker became the sacrificial lamb...then they shoved Booker T in the US Title picture. What?

The US title picture oughta read: Cena, Dupree (should be the title holder by now), RVD (for now), Suzuki, perhaps Jindrak (if they build him up some more), Rico (? pre-injury), Charlie Haas...and I'd say JBL, but you know where he is.

JBL as a main eventer is kinda like Sid in his latter days in WCW...definitely at a "X-Pac" level of heat. If you remember why they booed X-Pac out of arenas, it's because his charisma was null, his moves were at one time cool, but were losing steam, and he just has a "look at me, I suck!" look...without DX around, he really didn't have much going for him. I kinda liked X-Pac in that role, but other people rivalling X-Pac for the sake of purely sucking just doesn't work. By the logic they've used with JBL...there's no reason someone like say, A-Train shouldn't be World Champ on RAW.

He doesn't get booed because he's a really entertaining, effective heel (see HHH in 99-01), he gets booed, because he isn't really "buyable" as a champ.

Hired Hitman
07-19-2004, 07:48 AM
cruiserweight division... use the damn, cruiserweight division

oh and add The U. Dragon to the cruiserweight division :shifty: *gets Funky a Towel*

Londoner
07-19-2004, 08:00 AM
But who would you have pushed? RVD and BT were not seen as main eventers, aside form them who is left? When Eddie was given the title in Feb it looked like he had months of programs with Kurt and Brock, but they lost both those guys and didn't add anyone of equal value. Thats what more than anything. Yeah the writing has been bad to a point, but its bad on RAW too, and that show hasn't sufferend as much.


Exactly my point Cynick. :y:

Raw has all the star power and even though the show has been at its worst its ever been(IMO) people still watch it just as much. IMO raw has really sucked and ive been able to watch Smackdown far easier than Raw.

Sephiroth
07-19-2004, 09:41 AM
Bad Booking/ Writing...

tucsonspeed6
07-19-2004, 10:25 AM
I think when they started recruiting X-men characters....that was when it started sucking. Necrophilia was bad, but not nearly as bad as Stormataker.