View Full Version : Jarrett needs to lose the title
Shawn Mega
07-23-2004, 11:15 AM
I'm a big fan of Jarrett and I think he's one of the greatest wrestlers ever but he need to drop the title. His gimmick is corny and am tired of seeing him with the belt.Same goes for Ron Killings.
Other World title contenders:
Monty Brown-I like his character and charisma but I don't think he's ready to be champ yet.
Jeff Hardy-NO,NO and NO.
DLo-When he first came,he was on top of his game.Ever since Dlo got back from Japan,he has not been the same. My judgment is still out on him.
Styles-TNA wanted him to be World Champ but Styles decided to go back to the X-Division.
Wildcat Chris Harris- Back in the Tag team division.He would be WOrld champion right now if it was up to me.
James Storm-Back with Harris and AMW is still the best tag team in the WOrld.World Champion material,not yet.
Abyss-Very Underrated,the second best candidate to beat Jarrett for the World title right now.TNA can market his gimmick to a new level.
Sabu-He would be a good choice to beat Jarrett for the WOrld title now.
Lynn-Another guy who would make a better champ than Jarrett.
Raven-The number 1 guy who should be World Champion.
The top 5 contenders in my opinion:
1.Raven
2.Abyss
3.Sabu
4.Lynn
5.DLo
It's too bad Harris is tag teaming.Styles can be champ if he wants too.
Hired Hitman
07-23-2004, 11:48 AM
RAVEN
Mike the Metal Ed
07-23-2004, 11:54 AM
If Raven or Abyss won the title I would mark... in 6 months when I would see it. :(
AareDub
07-23-2004, 12:18 PM
Raven or Sabu would be awesome champs right now. However, I think their current feud will draw enough on its own that they don't need to get the title involved.
The Alpha Male is great on the mic, I was in stitches the other night when he was talking about the King of the Mountain participants. However, I just am not entertained by him in the ring. I was very disappointed that he hypes up his POOOOUNCE so much, but it turned out to be such a crappy move.
Jerry Lynn is kinda floating around with nowhere to go right now. I think he is more deserving of the number one contenders match next week. He and Jeff Hardy could probably put on a decent match with Lynn coming out on top. Then he'd go on to face Jarrett and lose, but keep Jarrett busy enough for the Raven/Sabu feud to end. Then Raven can take his spot as champ :D
HeartBreakMan2k
07-23-2004, 01:05 PM
3.Sabu
No, No, No. I would give Goldylocks the strap before I gave it to Sabu. And it scares me you put him ahead of Lynn.
Kane Knight
07-23-2004, 02:07 PM
Speaking of Goldylocks...Can someone take a collection to get hr some acting lessons?
KingofOldSchool
07-23-2004, 02:19 PM
I'm a big fan of Jarrett and I think he's one of the greatest wrestlers ever
What? :nono:
What King Of Old School said. It also scares me that you would prefer Sabu to Lynn.
Funky Fly
07-23-2004, 04:41 PM
The Alpha Male is great on the mic, I was in stitches the other night when he was talking about the King of the Mountain participants. However, I just am not entertained by him in the ring. I was very disappointed that he hypes up his POOOOUNCE so much, but it turned out to be such a crappy move.
Indeed. I've seen him on AWWL Big Time Wrestling (local indy) and hekinda generic in the ring, although he does have good presence. That Pouce move though. :nono:
It's Lex Luger's running forearm... on your knee.
Kane Knight
07-23-2004, 04:50 PM
He definitely does have good presence. But like the kitty cat he claims D-Lo to be, he's all his and no action. It doesn't make for a good wrestler.
Loose Cannon
07-23-2004, 04:57 PM
Yeah, Jarrett is boring the hell out of me. Seriously, like my favorite guy in TNA right now besides Styles, is Scott D'Amore from Team Canada. I really like that team and he is a great old school heel manager with a lot of personality. He's got that hockey stick too to give him his own personnal piece of Equipment like Hart with the Megaphone or Blassie with the cane. Good stuff.
Kane Knight
07-23-2004, 04:59 PM
My favorite wrestler in TNA is Onyx. :shifty:
mrslackalack
07-23-2004, 05:12 PM
I would like to see Chris Harris win the NWA title and James Storm gets jealous and turns heel and although AMW would be split for the moment those 2 would give us some classic matches. The match they had last year on the TNA PPV was awesome and i heard they tore down the roof at a indy show in 2002.
Shawn Mega
07-23-2004, 05:14 PM
What? :nono:
8 time World Champion,3rd among current active wrestlers HHH and Flair.Won the IC title more than anyone in history.He should be rank up there. Not top 10 but at least top 20 on overall performance.I know he is one of the greatest talker in wrestling history.
By to the topic, Raven is the man. He never won the NWA World title and the fans want him to be champion.
The belt was crown only eight times in TNA history,3 times in 02,2 times in 03 and 3 times this year.That's pretty good,the belt don't need to be switch every 2 month. The belt only been held by 4 people in TNA history, Shamrock,Jarrett,Styles and Killings.
I would mark out if Hall come back and win the title. Why he left TNA in the first place?
Shawn Mega
07-23-2004, 05:17 PM
I would like to see Chris Harris win the NWA title and James Storm gets jealous and turns heel and although AMW would be split for the moment those 2 would give us some classic matches. The match they had last year on the TNA PPV was awesome and i heard they tore down the roof at a indy show in 2002.
TNA needs to sign them to long contracts if they can. Harris,Storm,Styles,Killings and Abyss can carry TNA for years. They also need to sign The Naturals,XXX,Kazarian,Sabin and Michael Shane to long contracts. The future looks bright for TNA.
HeartBreakMan2k
07-23-2004, 05:19 PM
Just because he's won a lot of belts doesn't make him great, Hogan sucked ass as a worker and he held the belt. Nash's only two good matches were with Hart and HBk, but he held the title. Basing someone's greatness off of how many titles they won is completely moronic. Hell by that logic, David Arquette, Vince Russo, and Vince McMahon are all better workers than Rey Mysterio, Chavo Guerrero and Rob Van Dam.
Jarrett used to be a very solid worker, but now he's Triple Hing the industry, and become lazy while doing so.
HeartBreakMan2k
07-23-2004, 05:21 PM
The future looks bright for TNA.
No, the talent of TNA has bright futures ahead. TNA itself, not so much unless they learn how to market better and are able to gain more notoriety .
Shawn Mega
07-23-2004, 05:24 PM
Just because he's won a lot of belts doesn't make him great, Hogan sucked ass as a worker and he held the belt. Nash's only two good matches were with Hart and HBk, but he held the title. Basing someone's greatness off of how many titles they won is completely moronic. Hell by that logic, David Arquette, Vince Russo, and Vince McMahon are all better workers than Rey Mysterio, Chavo Guerrero and Rob Van Dam.
Jarrett used to be a very solid worker, but now he's Triple Hing the industry, and become lazy while doing so.
Workrate should not be the only factor that makes a great wrestler. Hogan is one of the greatest wrestler ever.If not,he is the greatest. Hart and HBK is never reach Hogan's level.
Titles should matter,that's why they got them.
Shawn Mega
07-23-2004, 05:27 PM
No, the talent of TNA has bright futures ahead. TNA itself, not so much unless they learn how to market better and are able to gain more notoriety .
I think they doing a great job marketing,especially for a company that's only 2 years old.
Londoner
07-23-2004, 05:27 PM
No, the talent of TNA has bright futures ahead. TNA itself, not so much unless they learn how to market better and are able to gain more notoriety .
:y: Exactly my point i was trying to make in that thread i did about TNA.I'm amazed they've even got this far with Jarrett burying there talent all the time.The fact he's just copying HHH doesn't help things either.
Btw, Shawn Mega, you just want to get bad rep all the time don't you? :wtf:
HeartBreakMan2k
07-23-2004, 05:28 PM
There is a huge difference in being one of the most over guys over, as in someone who did great things in terms of buy rates, and being a great worker.
Guys like Hogan are great in terms of ticket sells, though he was complete shit as a worker. Jarrett isn't as bad a worker as Hogan, but he's stail.
Guys like Hart and Michaels are amazing workers, there is a big difference in what you're seemingly trying to convey, and what you're actually saying.
Londoner
07-23-2004, 05:30 PM
Workrate should not be the only factor that makes a great wrestler. Hogan is one of the greatest wrestler ever.If not,he is the greatest. Hart and HBK is never reach Hogan's level.
Titles should matter,that's why they got them.
You just don't understand wrestling do you? :nono:
HeartBreakMan2k
07-23-2004, 05:31 PM
I think they doing a great job marketing,especially for a company that's only 2 years old.
Have you seen the numbers? TNA the company doesn't even really have a solid following, it's the workers that do. If you think about it, when you hear someone watched TNA, do they say "Oh the show, the storylines were all amazing, I'm tuning in next week to watch more TNA" or do you hear "AJ Styles is the fuckin man, I'm going to watch next week just to see him." The workers are the ones with the following, not the company.
And the company isn't doing a great job in marketing, there is a solid fan base on the internet. But if you ask the average person who doesn't read message or news boards about TNA, they've never heard of it. That's not good marketing, that's good press.
mrslackalack
07-23-2004, 05:31 PM
TNA is a lot better 2 years old than when WCW was 2 years old. Only time will tell what will happen next but Jarrett needs to lose the title soon
Shawn Mega
07-23-2004, 05:34 PM
:y: Exactly my point i was trying to make in that thread i did about TNA.I'm amazed they've even got this far with Jarrett burying there talent all the time.The fact he's just copying HHH doesn't help things either.
Btw, Shawn Mega, you just want to get bad rep all the time don't you? :wtf:
Jarrett is not exactly burying the talent. He should lose the title though because of his gimmick.
What is a bad rep? Not treating Benoit like he's a God? Liking JBL because he is a great talker and cocky heel? I don't get it, why is the IWC is so conservative?
Shawn Mega
07-23-2004, 05:39 PM
Have you seen the numbers? TNA the company doesn't even really have a solid following, it's the workers that do. If you think about it, when you hear someone watched TNA, do they say "Oh the show, the storylines were all amazing, I'm tuning in next week to watch more TNA" or do you hear "AJ Styles is the fuckin man, I'm going to watch next week just to see him." The workers are the ones with the following, not the company.
And the company isn't doing a great job in marketing, there is a solid fan base on the internet. But if you ask the average person who doesn't read message or news boards about TNA, they've never heard of it. That's not good marketing, that's good press.
How do you know the average person don't watch TNA? Fox Sports Net just don't put anyone on Nationwide. If that was the case, ROH would be on TV.
HeartBreakMan2k
07-23-2004, 05:40 PM
How do you know the average person don't watch TNA? Fox Sports Net just don't put anyone on Nationwide. If that was the case, ROH would be on TV.
Just so you know, "doesn't" is a word. And I know that because I know a bunch of people who like wrestling, yet don't check boards who have never heard of TNA.
mrslackalack
07-23-2004, 05:40 PM
[QUOTE=Shawn Mega]Jarrett is not exactly burying the talent. He should lose the title though because of his gimmick.
Exactly, Jarrett would still be a big TNA draw but if u put the belt on a great wrestler like Harris or Styles thats deserving, it would make the shows/storylines better and more fun to watch.
HeartBreakMan2k
07-23-2004, 05:41 PM
And why did you skip my point about what a great worker is?
Shawn Mega
07-23-2004, 05:42 PM
There is a huge difference in being one of the most over guys over, as in someone who did great things in terms of buy rates, and being a great worker.
Guys like Hogan are great in terms of ticket sells, though he was complete shit as a worker. Jarrett isn't as bad a worker as Hogan, but he's stail.
Guys like Hart and Michaels are amazing workers, there is a big difference in what you're seemingly trying to convey, and what you're actually saying.
There's a difference between Greatest wrestler and Greatest worker. Hogan is one of the greatest wrestlers ever. Hitman is one of the greatest worker ever.
I never said Hogan was a better worker than HBK and Hitman. I just said he is one of the wrestlers ever. Ask the average person that.
HeartBreakMan2k
07-23-2004, 05:44 PM
There's a difference between Greatest wrestler and Greatest worker. Hogan is one of the greatest wrestlers ever. Hitman is one of the greatest worker ever.
I never said Hogan was a better worker than HBK and Hitman. I just said he is one of the wrestlers ever. Ask the average person that.
He's not a great wrestler either! He's a great entertainer. Has nothing to do with being a great wrestler.
Shawn Mega
07-23-2004, 05:49 PM
You just don't understand wrestling do you? :nono:
I think alot of people in the IWC think wrestling is about 5 star matches.
Wrestling is fake to me,it's about guys beating each other asses.It's about gimmicks,fueds,blood,crazy moves and angles. I don't care if Hogan had a limited move set,he was the man because he kick people asses. I don't care if Foley was not technical sound like Flair,I just love the crazy shit he do.
A decent or bad worker with a good gimmick is more fun to watch than a great worker with no gimmick. JBL over Lance Storm anyday.
Shawn Mega
07-23-2004, 05:52 PM
He's not a great wrestler either! He's a great entertainer. Has nothing to do with being a great wrestler.
Some people is just naive for me. Guys like Scott Keith have brainwash your mind.
Saying Hogan is not one of the greatest wrestlers ever is like saying Jordan is not one of the greatest basketball players ever.
Londoner
07-23-2004, 05:58 PM
lol@you talking about being brainwashed yet THEY BRAINWASHED PEOPLE LIKE YOU INTO LIKING HOGAN. Can you see that now?..Wait wasn't Hogan's finisher only a legdrop?..Wow great way to finish a match...
Londoner
07-23-2004, 06:01 PM
I think alot of people in the IWC think wrestling is about 5 star matches.
Wrestling is fake to me,it's about guys beating each other asses.It's about gimmicks,fueds,blood,crazy moves and angles. I don't care if Hogan had a limited move set,he was the man because he kick people asses. I don't care if Foley was not technical sound like Flair,I just love the crazy shit he do.
A decent or bad worker with a good gimmick is more fun to watch than a great worker with no gimmick. JBL over Lance Storm anyday.
Well for me good storylines and great matches is what makes wrestling exciting to watch.And yes gimmicks are a part of it to but not as huge a part of it as they used to be, JBL's gimmick doesn't even entertain me for a start, and the fact it ain't even original proves my point even further that he is an undeserving champion.
I'll give him credit that he's doing his part ok, but don't expect me to support someone who supports Nazi's.
Raven is the top contender for the NWA title in my opinion. A victory over Sabu would put him well over for a title shot, but instead they're giving it to two lousy workers like Monty Brown and Jeff Hardy.
Jarrett isn't a bad wrestler at all, but I can't stand the King of the Mountain gimmick. Probably because he has some of Triple H's hold down aura.
Londoner
07-23-2004, 06:12 PM
Jarrett is not exactly burying the talent. He should lose the title though because of his gimmick.
What is a bad rep? Not treating Benoit like he's a God? Liking JBL because he is a great talker and cocky heel? I don't get it, why is the IWC is so conservative?
Let me put this so you understand it, the longer Jarrett keeps the title the longer other talent gets held down, the longer that talent gets held down the less chance they will have of using that talent to its full potential.And that talent will have a lesser chance of drawing than it did if it would've been used eariler.
And a bad rep is saying stupid things like JBL IS GOLD when he clearly isn't, and it's clear your just trying to troll the forums.I'm amazed you've got some serious replies to this thread. The fact you don't seem to know anything about how wrestling works but you think you do doesn't help either. And btw to the guy that said doesn't isn't a word, well your right it ain't, it's the shortening of two words. ;)
AareDub
07-23-2004, 06:15 PM
I'm starting think TNA should just do a King of the Ring style tournament for the belt. Tourneys are always fun to watch.
HeartBreakMan2k
07-23-2004, 11:36 PM
Some people is just naive for me. Guys like Scott Keith have brainwash your mind.
Saying Hogan is not one of the greatest wrestlers ever is like saying Jordan is not one of the greatest basketball players ever.
OMFG! :mad: Hogan can not wrestle. Wrestling = technical ability along with in ring psychology. Hogan had zero technical/brawling ability. He had decent psychology. Hogan was a great sports entertainer, there is a difference. Kurt Angle is a wrestler, Goldust was a sports entertainer. Hogan is a sports entertainer, and a great (but selfish) one at that. But to say Hogan is is a great wrestler is asinine.
Oh and MJ is the best player ever :)
HeartBreakMan2k
07-23-2004, 11:38 PM
Oh and die :mad: :foc:
K, luv ya buh bye :)
Wrestlingfan18
07-23-2004, 11:48 PM
Jeff hardy is awesome he should go back to the WWE
HeartBreakMan2k
07-24-2004, 12:04 AM
Jeff hardy is awesome he should go back to the WWE
Die
Wrestlingfan18
07-24-2004, 12:05 AM
Do u think jeff hardy will go back to the WWE soon?
Wrestlingfan18
07-24-2004, 12:06 AM
y dont u lik him
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