Nomar is out of Boston

[Yashamaga]

4 team deal

more info coming...

[Yashamaga]

This is the deal apparently:

Red Sox get: SP Matt Clement SS Orlando Cabrera
Cubs get: SS Nomar Garciaparra
Twins get: Derek Lowe
Expos get: prospects

[KingofOldSchool]

Damn.

[Yashamaga]

Nope that wasn't the deal:

Sox: Cabrera and Mientkiewicz
Cubs: Nomar
Expos: Alex Gonzalez
Twins: Prospects


FU</s>CK

without Clement, this is a terrible deal.

[MrMeJW]

We didn't get anything special but I'm glad to see Nomar go. I just wish we got Matt Clement

[Champion of Europa]

Haha, yes. I really don't like Nomar.

Speaking of The Red Sox, though, did you all see The Daily Show last night? It was great. I'm REALLY gonna paraphrase here:

Jon: How do you think Kerry should handle his campaign?
Rob: He's doing good now, that's for sure. But his campaign consultants shouldn't get too cocky. Even if they keep doing this well, when they fall asleep at night, they will not be able to get rid of the feeling of impending doom.
Jon: Don't you think it's a bit too early to say things like that?
Rob: I'm from Boston, I know. You keep thinking, (gets very intense) maybe this Fall will be the one! You buy all the stuff for a victory party, you make out a guest list, you invite all your friends, then you sit there, all alone, Kerry lets Florida slip right through his legs, costing him.
Jon: That's really interesting, Rob.
Rob: Fuck the Yankees.

[VonErich Lives]

Nope that wasn't the deal:

Sox: Cabrera and Mientkiewicz
Cubs: Nomar
Expos: Alex Gonzalez
Twins: Prospects


FU</s>CK

without Clement, this is a terrible deal.

The thought is Nomar has become such a cancer, and the defense has been so horrible, improve defense and sacrafice some power.

There is also a rumor of Dave Roberts for a prospect.

[MrMeJW]

The thought is Nomar has become such a cancer, and the defense has been so horrible, improve defense and sacrafice some power.

There is also a rumor of Dave Roberts for a prospect. Yeah it was just confirmed on NESN.. I didn't hear who they traded for him.

Edit - it was someone from the AAA team

[KingofOldSchool]

Phew.

I'm glad the Cubbies still got Nomar, kept Clement, and got rid of Alex Shitty Gonzalez. :yes:

[Smitty]

This trade is disgusting IMO

[VonErich Lives]

yeah, the other part that they're saying got dropped was Clement for Lowe.

Anyway... the Sox lose hitting in Nomar but upgrade defense at 2 spots, and get better club house guys.

Also, Nomar is still resting his injury and gone in 2 months...

am I thrilled about the deal, no... there's no flashy name... but some solid players, shore up some defense.

Pitching, Defense, Speed (Roberts)... and they still have hitting... Manny, Ortiz, and others...

Plus, you didn't give up the farm system...

[MVP]

OH shit. I'd rather have Clement than Cabrera.

[VonErich Lives]

ya know, the more I look at this... I'm ok with it..

Nomar has been pissy, whiney... Defense has been a big problem and they just got 2 gold glovers.

Plus Roberts is a defense/speed guy... it's interesting cause all year the team has relied on trying to win 10-9, now there bringing in some defense, healthy players that can play every day...

I dunno, time will tell....

[ct2k]

It's gonna be so weird seeing Nomar in a Cubs uniform that's for sure:-\

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Awesome..ANOTHER 1st basemen..just what we need

Mientkiewicz has 5 HR and 25 RBI :| Red Sox are one of the tops in run scores but its very missing leading, they don't score when it counts. Losing offense is going to hurt. I think this trade is garbage. Trade away one of the top shortstops in the game for some "defensive depth" give me a break.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nomar is my favorite player, but I can understand wanting to trade him but is this really the best we could get? I am sure he was going to walk at the end of the season anyways after the way he has been dissed all offseason plus all the shit he has been given this season aswell. I dunno about this trade at all.

[MrMeJW]

It's gonna be so weird seeing Nomar in a Cubs uniform that's for sure:-\
Not as weird as it was seeing Nomar in this:
http://espn.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/espys_nomar_mia.jpg

[VonErich Lives]

Stima... they're the worst defensive team in the league (or one of) they had to do something about defense.

W/ trot done for the year or close to it, expect to see Millar play more RF, Ortiz his horrible at 1st and will stick to DH.

and yes, they hit a lot of runs when it doesn't count, but that includes nomar, he's hasn't been Mr. Clutch in a long time.

It's tough, he's always been a sox, through the minors, seeing him gone is strange, but he was gone anyway... and two gold glovers... plus the addition of Roberts speed (expect to also see him in RF).

It's not the big flashy names, but I'm ok w/ it.... we'll have to see how it plays out.

They've lost a lot of games due to errors... hopefully the defense will keep us in games now, and especially help Lowe who has struggled and is a ground ball pitcher.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yea McCarty could put up 5 HR and 25 RBI if he played everyday like Mientkiewicz and McCarty is known for his D

Nomar wasnt the problem on D, the problem is having shit bums like Millar playing Left field, or playing 1st base.

Sox put more "utility guys" in the outfield then any other team I have ever seen.

Since it seem pretty obvious Nomar had to go I wish we could have gotten some sort of a stellar outfielder for him. Sox don't need another SS they already have Ricky (I am assuming he will be back soon?)

[MrMeJW]

Sox don't need another SS they already have Ricky (I am assuming he will be back soon?)
He's playing tonight

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I ment Pokey...my bad

Ricky sucks lol

[VonErich Lives]

Yea McCarty could put up 5 HR and 25 RBI if he played everyday like Mientkiewicz and McCarty is known for his D

Nomar wasnt the problem on D, the problem is having shit bums like Millar playing Left field, or playing 1st base.

Sox put more "utility guys" in the outfield then any other team I have ever seen.

Since it seem pretty obvious Nomar had to go I wish we could have gotten some sort of a stellar outfielder for him. Sox don't need another SS they already have Ricky (I am assuming he will be back soon?)

"Stellar OF" for a guy who is going to walk in 2months? sounds great, ain't gonna happen.

and yes, Nomar was a big part of the problem, he's always had problems at SS, and yes I'd rather see Pokey/Cabrera then Pokey/Bellhorn.

and yes, McCarty is known for his D, but Mientkiewicz is better and a better hitter.

I know, no big star names... but you weren't going to get it for a disgruntled, injured player who is going to walk in 2 months.

I won't say I "love" the deal, but I'm willing to see how it plays out, it helps depth and is helps defense... 2 gold glovers...

Time will tell, if they start droping games 3-2 and 2-1, then the argument could be made they needed nomars bat, on the other hand, the argument would be made they'd lose 5-4 and 4-3 if they still had him.

[Loose Cannon]

Nomar is my favorite player, but I can understand wanting to trade him but is this really the best we could get? I am sure he was going to walk at the end of the season anyways after the way he has been dissed all offseason plus all the shit he has been given this season aswell. I dunno about this trade at all.

Exactly how I would be feeling right now if I was a Sox fan. Nomar was thier captain and he was the guy I Identified the Red Sox with. He was like Jeter to the Yanks. I just couldn't see him playing for anybody else.

[YOUR Hero]

You guys are going to fall in love with Caberera, serously. This guy is awesome another Expos gem. Fuck me, you guys realy don't know how lucky you are. As an Expos fan, I'm pissed. Alex Gonzales? gimme a fucking break.

[Loose Cannon]

Yeah, Caberera is the shit.

[YOUR Hero]

This deal, is going to make me a Red Sox fan... sorta.

[YOUR Hero]

His power numbers and average will go up. I doubt they'll be Nomar-esque, but they'll be good. Also he has speed and as long as the Sox management lets him run, he should be good for 25-30 SB's. He's good defensively too.

[The Outlaw]

Wow.

Good for Nomar to get out of there.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Honestly this trade isn't that bad probably, but I am sad to see Nomar go. He has been my favorite player for a long time now...Guess I am going to have retire my #5 Garciaparra Jersey now :(

[YOUR Hero]

Yea I liked Nomar. *Like, still do.

[Loose Cannon]

Kind of how I felt when Pettite left this year

[MoRcHeEbA]

there goes the twins chances for the pennant :(

bcwwf must be crying

[ct2k]

Kind of how I felt when Pettite left this year

Indeed, he's pitched so well for us over the years i was real pissed to see him go. I'm pretty vexed at Contreras going too as i'd taken quite a liking to him, but i guess getting Loaiza in return i can't really complain

[John la Rock]

HOLY SHIT THE CUBS ARE STACKED NOW.

Nomar is a HUGE upgrade over Alex Gonzalez.


Boston got screwed. Ya they got better defence but losing a player like Nomar, who has the heart of a warrior, will definetly get them nowhere.

Nomar leaving Boston is like Jeter leaving New York :nono:

Stupid Epstein :mad:

[MrMeJW]

HOLY SHIT THE CUBS ARE STACKED NOW.

Nomar is a HUGE upgrade over Alex Gonzalez.


Boston got screwed. Ya they got better defence but losing a player like Nomar, who has the heart of a warrior, will definetly get them nowhere.

Nomar leaving Boston is like Jeter leaving New York :nono:

Stupid Epstein :mad:
Honestly, we didn't get screwed. Nomar was leaving us at the end of the year no matter what. Atleast now we got something for him. He was injured and it was announced a few days ago that he needed more days to rest his injury for the rest of the season.

Up untill this season I always saw Nomar as being part of the Red Sox but he could never get over the trade talk for A-Rod. He hasn't had the heart of a warrior lately. I am sad to see him go, he was a great guy but he is better off going some place where he feels he can by happy and we are better off getting some players for him instead of waiting for him just to leave.

[YOUR Hero]

That whole A-Rod business, was so screwed up, that it ended up costing the Red Sox Nomar. I'm soooooo surprised it didn't cost you Red Sox fans Manny as well, considering they put him on unprotected waivers during the off season. Props to Manny I guess, but he's such a clueless bastard, mentally. Great player, but I think he's "door knob" smart.

[MrMeJW]

Multiple sources have confirmed to Boston Dirt Dogs Bob Lobel's breaking news report that former Red Sox shortstop Nomar Garciaparra went to see Red Sox trainers Jim Rowe and Chris Correnti four days ago and informed them that his tendonitis "was bothering him" and he would not be able to play in the crucial series in Minnesota. Garciaparra then added "I'll probably have to go on the DL in August to be ready for the end of the year."

After a full examination of Garciaparra's heel, the trainers concluded that Nomar was indeed fit to play, telling the disgruntled shortstop that the heel "looks fine to us."

Nomar then sat out Friday's game in Minnesota. On Saturday, when the trade opportunity with the Chicago Cubs heated back up, Red Sox CEO Larry Lucchino approached Nomar Garciaparra and informed him that there was a strong possibility that he would be moved to the Cubs by the 4:00pm deadline in the spirit of full disclosure. Lucchino then asked Garciaparra how his Achilles' injury was doing. Nomar replied "It's fine now." Good, I'm real glad he's gone now

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

How do you know that is true? I highly doubt it is

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

That whole A-Rod business, was so screwed up, that it ended up costing the Red Sox Nomar. I'm soooooo surprised it didn't cost you Red Sox fans Manny as well, considering they put him on unprotected waivers during the off season. Props to Manny I guess, but he's such a clueless bastard, mentally. Great player, but I think he's "door knob" smart.He treats the game like a business, he was quoted in the paper today saying something like you can't get so attacthed to one team or whatever but baseball really is just a business. I didn't really get the point of putting Manny on waviers tho..what if somebody picked him up? What the hell where the Sox going to do then?

[YOUR Hero]

Well Red Sox management has been notorious for treating players like crap, so no wonder Nomar would say something like that.

I think had someone picked up Manny, they would have went back to Texas to renegotiated the A-Rod deal.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The management that is known for treating players like crap is no longer there tho, the management that ran Clemens out of town is gone

[VonErich Lives]

If someone took Manny they probably wouldn't have done the A-rod deal. Manny was the deal for A-rod, if someone claimed Manny, that would have freed around 20-25mil, they probably would have made a run at Vlad and/or Tejada and w/ Tejada traded nomar to the White Sox for Ordonez (which was the nomar trade rumor that nomar suposidly got pissy about).

Even w/o the possible deal, I think Nomar still wanted out, he doesn't like the big time media... but see theres a problem he doesn't get... to make 15mil a year you need to play for a big market team, which means big market media!

He actually called a radio station from his honeymoon to say "I never said I didn't want to play here" and they asked him questions like "If they got A-rod, would you be willing to play 2nd" and he'd respond "I really can't speak on that because no one from the Red Sox has told me what's going on" it was a total PR crap phone call, his agent made him do it, and he lost a lot of respect around here, question after question and he'd respond "I really can't speak on that because no one from the Red Sox has told me what's going on" then to top it off, he said he hadn't gotten any contract offers, then it comes out the sox offered him somewhere around 12-13/yr over 4yrs and he turned it down, which made him look like a bigger ass.

Then he comes back from his injury and plays in the minors and then slumps in the majors and yells at the press "I shouldn't be here yet, I should still be rehab the injury but I rushed it because the fans thought I was faking" or something close to that.

He wasn't staying here... We got 2 gold glovers which we desprately needed.

As for how the Sox treat players, that was the old Regime, this one has been pretty good to it's players, but still not afraid to make cold business decisions.

[VonErich Lives]

Let's also remember, Clemens said he wants to play closer to home... and went to Toronto...

Mo Vaughn was a home-town favorite... more then Nomie... and he said it "wasn't about the money" and then went to Anihiem who was the highest bidder.

[MoRcHeEbA]

yankees are still gonna win

[VonErich Lives]

yankees are still gonna win

Not if their pitchers don't get healthy...

Doesn't mean the sox will either... the Cubs go a key peice they're missing, and the AL West looks strong.

[ct2k]

I'd have to say right now Cards've gotta be the favourites

[Loose Cannon]

Oakland wll win the West and then they'll blow it in the playoffs..again. They will probably lose the final game because Brynes will be arguing with the ump while the other team scores all of its players on base.

[VonErich Lives]

Oakland wll win the West and then they'll blow it in the playoffs..again. They will probably lose the final game because Brynes will be arguing with the ump while the other team scores all of its players on base.

I went to an Oakland/sox game this year, front row next to the visiting dugout..

Kept calling out to Brynes and finally he looks over and I said "Ya find home plate yet?"

Everyone including the people in the camera pit started cracking up.

[VonErich Lives]

Also, interesting reports that Nomar has been telling the Sox his ankle wasn't 100% and he would be day-to-day and would probably need to go on the DL sometime in the final 2 months, going as far as to say he wanted to be 100% healthy for november when he needs to take his free agent physical.

Theo has gone to say that if they felt Nomar was 100% they probably wouldn't have delt him, but they'd rather have a full-time SS then Guetieriez...

Nomar aperently has now said he's 100% and wont need any time off, etc... etc...

The more I hear, the more I think he's a shit.

[MrMeJW]

How do you know that is true? I highly doubt it is Gerry Callahan: "Nomar Takes Phony Express Out of Town"

Boston Herald 8.2.04: (http://sports.bostonherald.com/sportsColumnists/view.bg?articleid=38209) "I called him in his hotel room just to wish him luck and thank him for all he did for the franchise," Sox CEO Larry Lucchino said last night. "Then I asked him, 'How's the heel?' He said, 'It's great.'" "(I said,) 'Great? How can it be great? Two days ago, you thought you were going to have to go on the DL.' He said, 'Yeah, well, it's great now.'"


Gordon Edes Must be in on "Conspiracy" Too

Boston Globe 8.2.04: (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2004/08/02/tales_from_two_cities?pg=full) Yesterday, Garciaparra evaded answering questions about those assertions directly. At first, he said he could not respond because he did not know what the team had said. He then said that what was said was between him and the trainers, then emphasized that to date he only had missed a game or two at a time since coming off the DL.


Silverado is Obviously on the Take as Well

Boston Herald 8.2.04: (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=38213) According to club sources, Garciaparra informed the team's medical staff that the continuing discomfort in his Achilles tendon would probably require a stint on the disabled list sometime in the final two months of the season. Sox sources even alleged that Garciaparra said that he wanted to make sure he was healthy at the end of the season, when he would have to take a November physical as part of the free agent process.

[The Miz]

Leave Byrnesy alone :rant: He worked on his baserunning ok guys :(

[YOUR Hero]

Also, interesting reports that Nomar has been telling the Sox his ankle wasn't 100% and he would be day-to-day and would probably need to go on the DL sometime in the final 2 months, going as far as to say he wanted to be 100% healthy for november when he needs to take his free agent physical.

Theo has gone to say that if they felt Nomar was 100% they probably wouldn't have delt him, but they'd rather have a full-time SS then Guetieriez...

Nomar aperently has now said he's 100% and wont need any time off, etc... etc...

The more I hear, the more I think he's a shit.
He didn't get along with management. He was looking out for himself. Don't take it personal. It wasn't about you.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

3 Boston Hearld stories so it makes it true?

Hearld spews a lot of BS

[MrMeJW]

3 Boston Hearld stories so it makes it true?

Hearld spews a lot of BS
Two of them are the Hearld, one is the Globe. Sure it doesn't mean its 100% true but I haven't read anything saying otherwise.

[YOUR Hero]

The management that is known for treating players like crap is no longer there tho, the management that ran Clemens out of town is gone
This management team, is no better.

Had they secured A-Rod, they were moving Nomar. Jeter, on the other hand was still being kept by the Yankees and in fact was keeping his position. That says volumes about the Red Sox' management. Then factor in the waiver placement of Manny, how can you say they aren't treating players like shit.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If we got A-Rod I don't understand why we had to get rid of Nomar, why couldn't we have kept both and moved one to a different spot like 2B or 3B?

[MoRcHeEbA]

I think that's what Hero was saying, the Management had it in their heads that they would get A-Rod and just move nomar

[VonErich Lives]

This management team, is no better.

Had they secured A-Rod, they were moving Nomar. Jeter, on the other hand was still being kept by the Yankees and in fact was keeping his position. That says volumes about the Red Sox' management. Then factor in the waiver placement of Manny, how can you say they aren't treating players like shit.

Why because to get A-rod was going to cost us Manny and we already had a 3B who won the batting title last year.

So, we were going to trade Nomar to get Ordonez, thats why.

Plus, Nomar was/is a free agent to be, who had turned down a huge contract already.

As for Manny, keep in mind the current regieme didn't sign him, it wasn't because they didn't want one of the best hitters in the game, it was they didn't want to pay him 22mil/year. It was a financial move.

Can't compare Theo/Co. to Duqette/Co.

[slextremely]

Come Back Nomar :'( i cant believe hes a fucking cub :mad:

[ct2k]

Atleast he'll never face the Red Sox...Unless they make the World Series:lol:

Cheap shot i know *runs off*

[MrMeJW]

Yesterday in the Globe there was a story about how to help your child deal with the loss of Nomar. :roll:

[VonErich Lives]

Atleast he'll never face the Red Sox...Unless they make the World Series:lol:

Cheap shot i know *runs off*

Cheap shot at the Sox, Cubs or both? :'( :( :'(

[ct2k]

Kind of both, but mainly the Sox

[Loose Cannon]

Wow, Cubs/Sox would be fk'n great in the Series this year. As far as a story goes, not as far as me wanting the Sox there :mad:

[ct2k]

It's questionable whether the Sox will even make the playoffs right now anyway

[slextremely]

Bostons schedule is really favorable tho.

[ct2k]

So is the Yank's though, its so so unlikely Boston coming back and winning the division, so they gotta win the wildcard, and that is certainly not going to be easy with Texas, Anaheim and Chicago all very capable and in the hunt, hell even Cleveland aren't totally out of it

[YOUR Hero]

Why because to get A-rod was going to cost us Manny and we already had a 3B who won the batting title last year.

So, we were going to trade Nomar to get Ordonez, thats why.

Plus, Nomar was/is a free agent to be, who had turned down a huge contract already.

As for Manny, keep in mind the current regieme didn't sign him, it wasn't because they didn't want one of the best hitters in the game, it was they didn't want to pay him 22mil/year. It was a financial move.

Can't compare Theo/Co. to Duqette/Co.
Trade Mueller, put A-Rod at third. Nomar was the newest Red Sox icon. There's the difference, Yankees despite all their trades, still know, and show class when it comes to these matters.

[MrMeJW]

Alright this is from Bill Simmons article about Nomar.

This thing fell apart for the same reason these things always fall apart: Money. Nomar's agent rejected a four-year, $60 million extension from the Red Sox last spring. When talks resumed in October 2003 -- after the Sox were sufficiently frightened by Nomar's play down the stretch -- they downsized their offer for an extension. Nomar's agent, Arn Tellem, specifically told the Red Sox that they wouldn't even consider something that started at less than $16 million a year. And if that couldn't happen, the Red Sox should trade him. Let's repeat that, because this is important. According to his agent, if the Red Sox weren't prepared to give Nomar -- a guy still struggling with a major wrist injury, a guy who wasn't the same player as he was he was in '99 and '00 -- an extension starting at 16 freakin' million a year, then Nomar would leave after the 2004 season and play for somewhere else. That was the insinuation with "you should trade him."
We can't just blame the Sox management, both sides screwed up to cause this mess.

[The Outlaw]

I stand by my original point. Good for Nomar to get out of there IMO.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

So is the Yank's though, its so so unlikely Boston coming back and winning the division, so they gotta win the wildcard, and that is certainly not going to be easy with Texas, Anaheim and Chicago all very capable and in the hunt, hell even Cleveland aren't totally out of itIts going to come down to Red Sox, Texas/Oakland (depending who wins AL west) and Anaheim

I still think Texas is going to fade eventually, but I've been saying that all year :shifty: I think the Sox have a pretty good shot at it, I didn't really like this Nomar trade at first but I think it will probably end up working out for the better of the team.

Although Nomar was the man :(

[ct2k]

Texas probably will fade, as everyone has said they don't have the pitching. Oakland are looking pretty hot though and with Hudson on the way back things can only look better, i guess what they really need is for Zito and Dotel to start doing what we know they can do. Anaheim i reckon will give it a good shot too, Bartolo Colon has been throwing well recently and they've certainly got the bats to back up the pitching so i guess we'll have to wait and see. Boston technically has everything too so it should be an exciting race!

[The Miz]

Dotel sucks, he throws it 99 mph down the middle every time. He strikes alot of guys out but he gives up just as many home runs. He is not ready to close.

[VonErich Lives]

This just gets better...

Nomar had never said how he injured his ankle.

Now, he finally claims he was hit by a ball during batting practice... which seems rather unlikely...

and now, a report comes out that he actually hurt it... get this... playing soccer!

LMFAO!

[ct2k]

Stop whining!

[The Outlaw]

This just gets better...

Nomar had never said how he injured his ankle.

Now, he finally claims he was hit by a ball during batting practice... which seems rather unlikely...

and now, a report comes out that he actually hurt it... get this... playing soccer!

LMFAO!
Get over it.

Whenever Boston trades/gets rid of a player, they go from being loved to being hated. Stima is the only guy that hasnt been on Nomas nuts.

[BCWWF]

there goes the twins chances for the pennant :(

bcwwf must be crying
How does it feel to be soo damned stupid?:?:

[MoRcHeEbA]

hows does it feel to look like an idiot and not get a joke? :?:

[BCWWF]

Pretty damned good :wave:

BTW, Morneau

[MoRcHeEbA]

maybe you should have noticed that im a fan of the Twins anyways and have been for a long time, so the joke was a joke at you. :y:

[BCWWF]

I think I understood it the first time

[VonErich Lives]

Get over it.

Whenever Boston trades/gets rid of a player, they go from being loved to being hated. Stima is the only guy that hasnt been on Nomas nuts.

Get over that he lied his way out of town? that he injured himself playing soccer and should have forefitted his pay while injured, that he told the team he wanted to go on the DL during a pennent race (or wild card) because he wanted to be healthy for his free agent physical and then told the cubs once traded he was fine.

I haven't been a big nomar fan for about a year, he's been a selfish player, and a whiney bitch. He's done nothing but lie to the team, media, fans. I was happy to see him go.

I can't say I've felt that way about any other boston player traded or lost via free agency in a long time, so try knowing what you're talking about next time.

[BCWWF]

Keep in mind Boston execs are in a huge hole here. A lot of their players are on their contract years, they have a huge payroll, and now it could go down to the wire with Texas and Anaheim to even make the playoffs. There is no doubt that they lost a lot of talent trading Nomar for Mienkey and Cabrera. With the right press they can take the pressure off of them and put it on Nomar, so they are leaking everything bad they possibly can on Nomar right now. Of course when you trade an established superstar at the deadline while in the middle of a pennant race you are going to need to try any make it the players fault as much as possible. Not saying that Nomar wasn't a bad guy or any of that, personally I like him, but it wasn't him that fucked up as much as some of the others.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think its pretty funny how everybody is making up BS about Nomar, and then people are eating it up.

Why would he fake an injury in a free agent year? That makes no sense. Nomar even said it himself, also why if he HATED it so bad here would he and Mia Hamm purchase a house in the area? Everybody is just making shit up to try to make themselves feel good about this Nomar trade.

Nomar even touched on that "dugout" incident in New York. He was shown giving guys high fives and everything. ONE time though he was shown sitting in the dogout, while everyone else was standing up, Nomar said that the other players actaully told him do that because they believed it was good luck in that situation for scoring runs. Now usually I would think that is bullshit in any other sport, but not in baseball.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Pretty funny how he hurt his ankle playing soccer after he was already traded hahaha

[VonErich Lives]

Pretty funny how he hurt his ankle playing soccer after he was already traded hahaha

Actually, Bob Lobel who broke it, claims he had the story for awhile but hadn't broke it...

who knows...

I believe that more then "I got hit by a ball during batting practice".

No one said he faked the original injury, but he did tell the Sox he was going to need to go on the DL sometime in the next 2 months and even commented that he wanted to be 100% healthy for the free agency physical.

He calls a radio station from his honeymoon and calls the show that's the least hard hitting and says how he wants to play here and hasn't gotten any offers, turns out he did and he turned down more money then he's going to get now. Refuses to answer question abot possible moving positions, it's also come out that he was asked if he would move to 3rd for A-rod to play SS and he said no, so theres another reason he was on the block.

He got his nose bent out of shape because they talked about trading him, geee... they have a bunch of top free agents and moving him would have been part of a move to get one of the best 5 tool players in the league, possible the best.

It's like he was "too good" to be traded, like he's the first superstar ever traded... ask Gretzkey about it...

As for the house, big deal.. he's here, what? 1/2 the year? a lot of players, especially ones w/ familys (wife only in his case) get a house where they play even if they don't live there year round.

Anyway, no, I don't think the Sox are looking to deflect bad press on the trade or team performance, I think they got sick of nomie running his mouth after the trade and shot back.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I dont get why everyone is so quick to pointout he turned down a contract..so what? Maybe he just wanted to test the waters and see what he could get. That doesn't mean he wanted to leave Boston. I am sure he figured Boston would match whatever offer he got.

And I haven't seen Nomie "running his mouth" but I have seen a lot of junk being said about Nomar that was never mentioned until he was traded. Sure there was the usual thing here and there but since he has been traded there has been a lot of reports coming out bashing Nomar. The soccer one is the funniest by far, even if he did get injuried playing Soccer so what? Its not like its in his contract that he cant play it. Plus I highly doubt he really did get hurt playing soccer becuase that would have been all over the news in the first place. Much like the Jeff Kent injury a few years back

[VonErich Lives]

I dont get why everyone is so quick to pointout he turned down a contract..so what? Maybe he just wanted to test the waters and see what he could get. That doesn't mean he wanted to leave Boston. I am sure he figured Boston would match whatever offer he got.

And I haven't seen Nomie "running his mouth" but I have seen a lot of junk being said about Nomar that was never mentioned until he was traded. Sure there was the usual thing here and there but since he has been traded there has been a lot of reports coming out bashing Nomar. The soccer one is the funniest by far, even if he did get injuried playing Soccer so what? Its not like its in his contract that he cant play it. Plus I highly doubt he really did get hurt playing soccer becuase that would have been all over the news in the first place. Much like the Jeff Kent injury a few years back

1) Turning down a contract is fine, going on the radio to "address the fans" and saying you were never offered a contract to try and make the team look bad is not fine.

2) Theres a difference... Kent was on a bike and people saw it happen... if Nomie we assume was out of state and probably w/ mia and friends... who's going to run and tell? The womens league folded... Think Mia would do anything to hurt the "bread winner" also, while his contract probably didn't ban "soccer" unlike some contracts (I remember Greenwells banned race car driving, that he did anyway). Where he injured himself not in a baseball related way, they probably could have not paid him this year until healthy.

That being said... I was sad to see Clemens go, Mo Vaughn (even though I figured he'd gain weight and get injured in aniheim) and so on... I just think Nomie wanted out and did everything he could to force it.


Look at Ty Law, him and his agent tried everything they could to get cut in the offseason, didn't work, Ty shut his mouth and is now back to work on being one of the best CB in the league and increase his value and eventually become a free agent.

Somewhere, somehow in the past few years, Nomie became more about Nomie then the team.

[BCWWF]

Is Boston pretty much giving up on this season now? Thats what it looks like.

[The Miz]

Why would you give up on the season if yu were in first place in the Wild Card

[BCWWF]

I'm pretty sure they are behind Texas right now with Anaheim within a game of the mix too. When you are looking to win a World Series you usually don't trade a perennial all-star for a guy hitting 240. They just totally downgraded a struggling team in the midst of the Wild Card race.

[ct2k]

Boston are winning the Wildcard i think, Texas will drop off soon i am sure:shifty:

[BCWWF]

Texas has started their drop off a bit, but Boston isn't pulling away by any means

[The Miz]

Trust me Texas doesn't have a chance, they were a nice little story for a little while but now they're proving they don't have any pitching. Kenny Rogers is the bets pitcher on the staff and he's incredibly inconsistent. Anaheim is the only thing left in the way of Boston, unless the Indians can get really hot

[BCWWF]

Yeah, this is where you can see Texas' character. The BoSox must be pretty confident that the other teams will fall off though.

[ct2k]

Texas just doesn't have the pitching and even Rogers has been struggling recently

[BCWWF]

He has been stuck at 11 wins since the break

[The Miz]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Anaheim took it. They've been shit hot lately and their schedule is ridiculous. Orioles, Tigers, Rays, and Royals coming up.

[BCWWF]

SportsCenter just showed it, as of right now there is a three way tie for Wildcard, Boston, Texas, and Anaheim. Anaheim could definately pose a threat.

[The Miz]

Now that they've got all their injured guys back sans-Glaus they have really started to play. Escobar and Colon are finally heating up. They really need Washburn back though.

[ct2k]

More so than Texas for sure

[VonErich Lives]

I'm pretty sure they are behind Texas right now with Anaheim within a game of the mix too. When you are looking to win a World Series you usually don't trade a perennial all-star for a guy hitting 240. They just totally downgraded a struggling team in the midst of the Wild Card race.

Yes and no.

Yes, Nomar has a better bat then either guy, but they got 2 gold glovers, people are completely downplayin the defense and how badly it was needed.

Time will tell...

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL Millar complained about playing time the other day. He is the dickhead who was so sure that A-Rod was going to be throwing to him from the SS spot. He was all about getting Nomar outta there, now Nomar is gone but he got traded for a Gold glove 1st basemen. Be careful what you ask for. Millar should suck it up, HE'S the reason why they had to pick up a Gold Glove 1st basmen. He is terrible at 1st. He is terrible at all positions pretty much. And he can't DH because Ortiz > Millar when it comes to hitting. Ortiz is even worse at 1B

[VonErich Lives]

LOL Millar complained about playing time the other day. He is the dickhead who was so sure that A-Rod was going to be throwing to him from the SS spot. He was all about getting Nomar outta there, now Nomar is gone but he got traded for a Gold glove 1st basemen. Be careful what you ask for. Millar should suck it up, HE'S the reason why they had to pick up a Gold Glove 1st basmen. He is terrible at 1st. He is terrible at all positions pretty much. And he can't DH because Ortiz > Millar when it comes to hitting. Ortiz is even worse at 1B

Umm, close...

http://www.musingsfromrsn.com/2003_12_17_musingsfromrsn_archive.html

ESPN Sports Center 12.16.03: "Repeating our top story tonight, Dan Patrick (DP) talks to Kevin Millar (KM) about the predicted trade between the Rangers and the Red Sox. Dan asked Millar about adding Alex Rodriguez to the lineup, and he didn't hesitate:"

KM: ...When you're talking about a guy who's going to be a leader and be the face of the organization that's Alex Rodriguez, Manny leads in the batters box and Nomar prepares himself to play hard everyday but you're talking about a leader in Alex Rodriguez...LA fans should be excited to get a player like Nomar. I mean Nomar Garciaparra's a two time batting champion, you know Manny Ramirez is one of the greatest hitters in the league but when you're looking at an all around great player who can hit 50 home runs and drive in 140 and possibly obviously win a batting title and with his defense, I mean A-Rod's the best in the game.

DP: You gotta choose, you can have Alex Rodriguez or you can have Manny and Nomar, who you taking?

KM: I'm taking Alex Rodriguez, Schilling, and Foulke.

DP: No, no I don't know if it works that way.

KM: Alright, You gotta take A-Rod. ...DP: You already got those guys (Schilling, Foulke)...

KM: We got those guys, we'll take A-Rod.

DP: When the season begins, who's throwing the ball from shortstop to you?

KM: Alex Rodriguez.

Yes, he thought like a lot of people the deal was done and yes, he said he'd rather have A-rod then Manny and Nomar.

No, he didn't wish nomar gone, no he didn't run nomar out of town.

You can't deny A-rod is a better SS then Nomar and A-rod and Ordonez would be better then Manny and Nomar, fielding and battings.

That being said, Millar mouting off over playing time was stupid, and even his answers in that interview were stupid. He should just keep his mouth shut, until a PR person teaches him how to talk to the media and what to say.

That being said, he has had a hot bat, but he should keep his mouth shut, since he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn for the 1st half of the season.

[The Miz]

I cant stand Millar. Pretty much all the Red Sox are cool except that guy is a huge redneck and a moron. I bet he's one of those guys who would think Larry the Cable Guy is hilarious

[BCWWF]

I think Mientkiewicz will blossom in Boston, similar to Ortiz. They obviously have a better hitting coach than Minnesota and it seems like his type of team. When he has a good year he is good, this year just wasn't, but knowing him he will definately work his ass off in the off season.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Went to the game tonight, Orlando made a few nice plays in the field, but he also booted a pretty playable ball. Also he did terrible at the plate once again. When is this guy ever going to hit? I am glad we picked up Mientkiewicz in the deal, I am really starting to get on his "bandwagon" he made a couple nice plays tonight and also he didnt fly out every time he was up to bat.

Also, Nomar + Manny > A-Rod + Ordenez

[The Outlaw]

I just dont blame Nomar at all for being disgruntled, and I'm pretty sure he was.

[BCWWF]

Also, Nomar + Manny > A-Rod + Ordenez
I've thought the same thing all along