Official Raw 8/16 Thread

[Azriel]

Ok, who should I vote for the Diva contest, Tracie excluded?

[Marc the Smark]

The only question now is, "Does Orton win?"

[The Answer]

Money.

I think being playmate of the year gets you alot more tha 250 k

[Volchok]

well... either A) Vince pulls a Kane with Orton tonight or B) makes him into a bigger star...i hope its B...

[AareDub]

Ok, who should I vote for the Diva contest, Tracie excluded?

Amy :D

[Xero]

Which Nitro girl did he marry?post a pic if possible
Not sure...

[Gone Mad]

About the Diva broads: I seem to like the red head and the one in the red bikini tonight. Either way,they're all hot though Carmella should be voted out since she does have Playboy.

Evolution: HHH loves that title that Orton's got so you know he will do what it takes to get it back. Expect the turns tonight or soon.

[Azriel]

I think its 1 million

[Volchok]

btw im voting Amy.. the only one i can really stand to watch...

[Fryza]

I think being playmate of the year gets you alot more tha 250 k

And you don't think that more money isn't in her mind?

All this thing does is give her publicity and money, so she can garner more.

[Shadow]

King.....should shut the hell up!

[RGWhat316]

The Champ Is Here

[Azriel]

I believe it was Whisper DeadMan

[Loose Cannon]

EVERYONE ON YOUR FEET

[Mayo]

Holy shit they really added lots of lighting to Randy's entrance, it is really fucking bright!

BTW, everybody vote for Joy :drool::drool::drool:

[Azriel]

All hail the greatness that is Orton

[Xero]

I never noticed how short Benoit is...

[The Answer]

EVERYONE ON YOUR FEET

Im up

[Gone Mad]

Note: HHH likes to interrupt matches..nice and long matches.. long,title matches.

[Loose Cannon]

http://www.theddt.com/theddtmessageboard/uploads/post-6-1092624090.jpg

[Azriel]

Ok, wrestling enthusiasts, did Randy's father and/or grandfather ever win the World title?

[Shadow]

I just realized...I've missed so much of RAW. And here I thought HHH would've been the first to challenge Orton.

[RGWhat316]

Ok, that made no sense. By what JR says, if I shake someone's hand, I could become World Champion.

[Xero]

Note: HHH likes to interrupt matches..nice and long matches.. long,title matches.
Big important matches... Sex with Vin... Er... :shifty:

[The Answer]

And you don't think that more money isn't in her mind?

All this thing does is give her publicity and money, so she can garner more.

True but you don't get that much publicity being the diva winner.I bet half the people can't name the winner of the first one

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

GO BENOIT

[Volchok]

Benoit looks intimadating with his purple tights on... :shifty:

[Shadow]

Break the illusion much JR?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

If the fans are truly voting Carmella, they don't care about personality and crap. She posed nude, thats enough for them.
One of the others has been in playboy as well mate :y:

[Xero]

Ok, wrestling enthusiasts, did Randy's father and/or grandfather ever win the World title?
Not that I know of... So no...

[The Answer]

Ok, wrestling enthusiasts, did Randy's father and/or grandfather ever win the World title?

I believe so just like the rock's dad and grandfather

[RGWhat316]

No Eugene so far, they keeping him off due to last nights reaction?

[Mayo]

Pretty awesome superplex. Benoit is still the fucking man :yes:

Just waiting for Hunter to come down and kill Randy... although it might be a bit soon for the Hunter/Orton feud, no?

[Azriel]

I think she was the only one of the finalists who posed for Playboy. Candice and Karen, who were in the top 25 posed for Playboy. You might be thinking of Christy, but she only did the lingerie bowl. I think Amy might've posed for Playboy but I don't know.

[Quick1]

I think orton may pull a Kane.

[Shadow]

You know...those attempts by Benoit trying to do the Sharpshooter are very....homo.

[Azriel]

That looked brutal

[Volchok]

whos taller... Benoit or Mini Taker?

[RGWhat316]

That was a sick move at SS when Benoit flew and slammed into the barrier.

[Azriel]

uhh...Mini Taker? :lol:

[Gone Mad]

I think Amy might have done Playboy and possibly Son of the Beach. She looks familiar, very familiar and there was a girl on that show whose real name was Amy Webber.

[Mayo]

You know...those attempts by Benoit trying to do the Sharpshooter are very....homo.
Never thought I'd say this, but I actually agree with a Jeff Hardy mark :p

I don't like the fact that he keeps on trying to lock it in, he should only try it once and then let the opponent go.

[Quick1]

Pretty awesome superplex. Benoit is notthe fucking man

[The Answer]

Yeah,Nate Dogg and Snoop Dogg in the house looking for some groupie love

[Azriel]

this Anaconda sequel is going to suck just as much as the first.

[RGWhat316]

Just noticed, theres some special on Jenna Jameson on VH1.

[Azriel]

Amy's actually an actress gonmad, so that's very possible.

[The Answer]

I think Amy might have done Playboy and possibly Son of the Beach. She looks familiar, very familiar and there was a girl on that show whose real name was Amy Webber.

Yep if you click on her pic on WWE .com said she starred in Son of the Beach

[Shadow]

Thanks Mayo. And look...we come back and he's got it locked it.

[RGWhat316]

Orton's reactions are pricless when he's in the sharpshooter :lol:

[Azriel]

I've been trying to search for nude pics of Amy to see if she did do Playboy, but I haven't any luck.

[Shadow]

King sounds like....I have no fucking clue what King sounds like. He just sounds odd to me.

[The Answer]

I've been trying to search for nude pics of Amy to see if she did do Playboy, but I haven't any luck.

how about Carmella

[Azriel]

Ok, i'm gonna vote for Amy after the show.

[Azriel]

I've seen them. You can find them pretty easily.

[Mayo]

Thanks Mayo. And look...we come back and he's got it locked it.
LMAO, I laughed a lot at that for some reason, so that deserves rep. :D

[Fryza]

True but you don't get that much publicity being the diva winner.I bet half the people can't name the winner of the first one

A famous actress/model in a contest.

Yeah, win or lose, she'll get a bit exposure and money from it all.

[Azriel]

Nice move Orton.

[RGWhat316]

I think Orton still has some confetti on him

[RGWhat316]

You know, I wonder if there is ever a city that JR doesn't call a great city.

[Shadow]

Didn't he beat RVD with that move?

[Azriel]

LC is probably going crazy right now :lol:

[The Answer]

I've seen them. You can find them pretty easily.

searched yahoo got nothing u have a link

[Shadow]

Anyone have the time? It's 11:00. Time for a HHH interfearance.

[Azriel]

Dead, go here

http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/playmates/playmates.htm

Has every non-celebrity playmate on there

[Shadow]

that looked like it hurt.

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

GOD DAMNIT

[The Answer]

Yes Orton wins!!!!!!!! with help from Evolution

[Loose Cannon]

HOLY SHIT AT THE RKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[RGWhat316]

HAIL ORTON sign in the front

[Loose Cannon]

OH SHIT. THEY ARE GOING TO KILL HIM

[Shadow]

Doomsday Device. Right now!

[Loose Cannon]

LMAO AT BATISTA

[Azriel]

that was a sweet RKO.

[Loose Cannon]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[RGWhat316]

And there it is............

[Gone Mad]

HAHAHAHA! IT HAS BEGUN!

[Shadow]

Uh-oh....how the hell did we all call that?

[The Answer]

Oh crap

[Loose Cannon]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Azriel]

WOW! That was GENIUS!!

[Fryza]

Nothing to finish a beating without a teabag from Batista.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

What happened?! :'(

[RGWhat316]

Damn!

[Loose Cannon]

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

[Mayo]

Awesome! Very well done. For a second there, I didn't think they were going to turn on him. At least this is something different, and Evolution may be looking for a new member.

[Loose Cannon]

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Shadow]

Man Vince has gotton so perdicitble you know?

[RGWhat316]

Evolution was celebrating, Orton was on Batista's shoulders. HHH said something and Batista dropped Orton on his head, and the attack begins.

[6to1]

i guess randy gets to be a face i would rather they turn on trips.

[Azriel]

I'm suprised, I thought Evolution was going to have a couple members split instead of all of them teaming up on Orton, but it still works.

[FFD]

Can some one please tell me where I can get the PBP for RAW?

[Gone Mad]

The streets will flow with the blood of a non-believer! Orton is gang-raped by Evolution!

[Shadow]

HHH just looks like Ultimate Warrior there.

[Loose Cannon]

HOLY SHIT. DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING AT ALL.

[Azriel]

That was unpredictable. Nice job there.

[AareDub]

I'd just like to say

http://best-celebritees.com/gallery_week/amy_weber/amyW017.jpg

Vote: Amy Weber

:drool:

[Loose Cannon]

Man Vince has gotton so perdicitble you know?

WTF ARE you talking about?

[Gone Mad]

www.amyweber.net .. it is her official site,though no mention of Playboy.

[RGWhat316]

Damn did HHH sound like a freaking gorilla or what?

[Azriel]

Let's see what Randy can do as a face.

[Mayo]

I thought all along that this is what would happen; some people said that Hunter was going to turn face and Randy would stay heel. That definitely would not work since Hunter has turned before and it did not work very well. He is only at his best when he's a heel, and Randy is still young, fresh, and people really like this guy, so turning him face made the most sense.

[mike616]

OMG!!! they killed Randy! Youuuu Bastards!!!

[Quick1]

HOLY SHIT. DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING AT ALL.
I did they overplayed the celebration. When HHH did the thumbs down Ortons reaction was great.

[RGWhat316]

I actually didn't think that was gonna come so quick.

[RGWhat316]

That was still shocking.

[Volchok]

FUCK!!!!!!!! damnit..

[Loose Cannon]

Well that was awesome, but they might of made a mistake in not waiting. But, it was a good moment none the less.

[Azriel]

Can't wait till the wedding next week. Should be very interesting.

[RGWhat316]

So we will probably have Orton v Evolution member__________ @ Unforgiven

[Corndad]

Wow, the heat on HHH, is growing, one thing have to give him credit, no one has played a better heel role in last few years like him

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>That was so awesome. I didn't think they'd do it, until HHH suddenly put his thumb upside down. It looked like Orton suddenly dropped a load on Batista.</font>

[RemyRed]

Orton may be the man, but Triple H is God.

[Nowhere Man]

So I take it that the rumored Orton/Jericho feud weren't true?

:'(

Anyways, nice twist at the end. I kinda figured that Hunter would go after Orton for taking "his" title, but I wasn't sure they were going to do it right off the bat. Anyways, let's see if Randy's gotten any better at being a face than his first failed run.

[Volchok]

DAMNIT! thank God i taped that... now i can watch when Orton was happy.. and that sweet ass video montage of him...

[The Show Off]

At Unforgiven we won't even see a World Title defense., watch it's going to be Orton, Eugene, and Benoit v. Evolution.

[Shadow]

WTF ARE you talking about?

HHH letting someone else hold HIS title? I think not. That's what I'm talking about. I'm in aggreement with everyone though. Should've held off on this turn.

[Corndad]

Oh my vote is going to Joy!

[RGWhat316]

You alright LC, that had to be rough for you?

[Corndad]

where was Eugene tonight anyways? i just miss him?

[Loose Cannon]

So I take it that the rumored Orton/Jericho feud weren't true?

:'(

Anyways, nice twist at the end. I kinda figured that Hunter would go after Orton for taking "his" title, but I wasn't sure they were going to do it right off the bat. Anyways, let's see if Randy's gotten any better at being a face than his first failed run.

Randy was a face for like a week though.

And there was never a rumored Y2J/Orton match. Don't know who said that, but it was never reported. It was rumored Benoit before HHH.

[Volchok]

what music and titan tron is Orton gonna use now? i hope he dont go back to his old stuff.. maybe new music but they for his tron they should use that Montage video from tonight...

[Volchok]

damn.. i still cant get over that turn..

[I-Hate-You]

So, none of you saw that coming?

[Corndad]

So, none of you saw that coming?
I saw it coming just not this soon...

[RGWhat316]

They waited longer when HHH turned on Eugene. I can't believe how quick it was. But that turn was something else.

[Volchok]

i need some serious consouling... :'(

[Shaggy]

Damn that sucked. I knew it was gonna happen but with before it happened I didnt think it was gonna be tonight. Damn HHH vs Orton. Im a big fan of both and now I dont know who to go for.

[The CyNick]

Typical WWE mistake, they take an angle that should have run for 3 or 4 months and they blew their load in 30 minutes. Morons!

Also, could that have been any more predicatble? "Evolution is with you"...geez, I was waiting for Hunter to go "I swear man we're NOT going to turn on you....I swear bro! No really.....I swear!".

Anyway, they did a lot of damage to Orton after seemingly creating a new star. I dont get why they would have Orton come out and rip on the fans if they planned on turning him at the end of the night. You would think they would want him to get over, but I guess that doesn't make sense to them.

Now what they've done is they have a World Champion who is now at best a tweener. He cant be an ultra babyface because he's been ripping on the fans. I mean he might become a big face down the road, but I dont see the fans immediately getting behind him or feel sorry for him. And now he's lost the connection to the cool badass faction that rules the company. The way I see it he's in no man's land.

Also, now it seems like Hunter has to win the title at Unforgiven. I mean they have to do the match next month because with Orton as a face he cant duck Hunter, so they have to pull the trigger. I guess that means you have Orton chase Hunter to Mania, but now you've got a one month title reign which hurts the belt and the guy who had the belt. And also, the match will seem less special because people will have seen it on a lesser PPV a few months prior.

Also hurt by all this is Benoit, who was a total afterthought. Looks like he'll be fed to Batista next month, for what I'm sure will be a JOB.

I dont know, I think they made some big mistakes here tonight. I guess we'll see how it goes, but this reeks of another angle ruined in order to make HHH look superior to everyone else.

[Corndad]

Anyone else smell and Edge to Evolution next week then he gets the shot at Unforgiven?

[Kane Knight]

So, none of you saw that coming?
I did. The minute Trips made his speech to Orton earlier, I saw it coming.

[Kane Knight]

Typical WWE mistake, they take an angle that should have run for 3 or 4 months and they blew their load in 30 minutes. Morons!

Also, could that have been any more predicatble? "Evolution is with you"...geez, I was waiting for Hunter to go "I swear man we're NOT going to turn on you....I swear bro! No really.....I swear!".
Very typical. It really blows tho.

[The CyNick]

Anyone else smell and Edge to Evolution next week then he gets the shot at Unforgiven?

Its possible, but if this whole Evo turn on Orton is based on Hunter being pissed that Orton got the title instead of him, it makes absolutely no sense for HHH to let anyone other than himself to get the next title shot.

I mean they could do a thing where Orton says HHH shouldn't get a shot because he doesn't deserve it, but then Orton looks like a punk (re heel) and obviously thats not where they are going.

I think they've painted themselves in a corner to have HHH vs Orton next month.

[AareDub]

Anyone else smell and Edge to Evolution next week then he gets the shot at Unforgiven?

That wouldn't make any sense at all. Edge sees Orton get beat down because he has the belt an is not HHH, so next he joins with HHH and goes for the belt? If he were to win, shouldn't he expect the same thing to happen to him? No logic behind that one.

[Corndad]

Its possible, but if this whole Evo turn on Orton is based on Hunter being pissed that Orton got the title instead of him, it makes absolutely no sense for HHH to let anyone other than himself to get the next title shot.

I mean they could do a thing where Orton says HHH shouldn't get a shot because he doesn't deserve it, but then Orton looks like a punk (re heel) and obviously thats not where they are going.

I think they've painted themselves in a corner to have HHH vs Orton next month.

Great point, very wise as always there CyNick

[Volchok]

Typical WWE mistake, they take an angle that should have run for 3 or 4 months and they blew their load in 30 minutes. Morons!

Also, could that have been any more predicatble? "Evolution is with you"...geez, I was waiting for Hunter to go "I swear man we're NOT going to turn on you....I swear bro! No really.....I swear!".

Anyway, they did a lot of damage to Orton after seemingly creating a new star. I dont get why they would have Orton come out and rip on the fans if they planned on turning him at the end of the night. You would think they would want him to get over, but I guess that doesn't make sense to them.

Now what they've done is they have a World Champion who is now at best a tweener. He cant be an ultra babyface because he's been ripping on the fans. I mean he might become a big face down the road, but I dont see the fans immediately getting behind him or feel sorry for him. And now he's lost the connection to the cool badass faction that rules the company. The way I see it he's in no man's land.

Also, now it seems like Hunter has to win the title at Unforgiven. I mean they have to do the match next month because with Orton as a face he cant duck Hunter, so they have to pull the trigger. I guess that means you have Orton chase Hunter to Mania, but now you've got a one month title reign which hurts the belt and the guy who had the belt. And also, the match will seem less special because people will have seen it on a lesser PPV a few months prior.

Also hurt by all this is Benoit, who was a total afterthought. Looks like he'll be fed to Batista next month, for what I'm sure will be a JOB.

I dont know, I think they made some big mistakes here tonight. I guess we'll see how it goes, but this reeks of another angle ruined in order to make HHH look superior to everyone else.


couldnt have said it better myself...:-\

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Holy f</>uck, just watched that over, the crowd is so loud you can't even hear what JR and the King are saying, you can hear their voices but not what they are saying</font>

[RemyRed]

At least Chris Benoit and Eddie Guererro are going back to the midcards where they belong now. I see nothing wrong with the WWE after tonight.

[Corndad]

At least Chris Benoit and Eddie Guererro are going back to the midcards where they belong now. I see nothing wrong with the WWE after tonight.

What the hell are you talking about someone take rep down or something!

[Volchok]

when do the raw pics usually come out?

[I-Hate-You]

I did. The minute Trips made his speech to Orton earlier, I saw it coming.
BUH GAWD, ME TOO!!!

Some people are actually shocked that this happened.

[Loose Cannon]

Typical WWE mistake, they take an angle that should have run for 3 or 4 months and they blew their load in 30 minutes. Morons!

Also, could that have been any more predicatble? "Evolution is with you"...geez, I was waiting for Hunter to go "I swear man we're NOT going to turn on you....I swear bro! No really.....I swear!".

Anyway, they did a lot of damage to Orton after seemingly creating a new star. I dont get why they would have Orton come out and rip on the fans if they planned on turning him at the end of the night. You would think they would want him to get over, but I guess that doesn't make sense to them.

Now what they've done is they have a World Champion who is now at best a tweener. He cant be an ultra babyface because he's been ripping on the fans. I mean he might become a big face down the road, but I dont see the fans immediately getting behind him or feel sorry for him. And now he's lost the connection to the cool badass faction that rules the company. The way I see it he's in no man's land.

Also, now it seems like Hunter has to win the title at Unforgiven. I mean they have to do the match next month because with Orton as a face he cant duck Hunter, so they have to pull the trigger. I guess that means you have Orton chase Hunter to Mania, but now you've got a one month title reign which hurts the belt and the guy who had the belt. And also, the match will seem less special because people will have seen it on a lesser PPV a few months prior.

Also hurt by all this is Benoit, who was a total afterthought. Looks like he'll be fed to Batista next month, for what I'm sure will be a JOB.

I dont know, I think they made some big mistakes here tonight. I guess we'll see how it goes, but this reeks of another angle ruined in order to make HHH look superior to everyone else.


YEAH, it was definately rushed and a lot of us have been saying for months that it should be slow. But what's done is done and we'll just have to see how the WWE has this booked.

It was a good turn as I didn't see it coming. It was in the back of my mind, but I really didn't think they would do it tonight.

So, where do they go now? Well, I really hope they don't give HHH the Title until at least Survivor Series if he's getting it already. But I don't know how else they would book this thing where Orton isn't fighting HHH right away. There is no heel opponents for him to go against.

Yea, they pretty much fk'ed up here. If HHH does get the Title at Unforgiven, the only way I see Orton not getting hurt is if HHH wins with a lot of bullshit and stuff. No clean win or even close to one.

[Loose Cannon]

BUH GAWD, ME TOO!!!

Some people are actually shocked that this happened.

so sorry for being shocked. Didn't know we were all suppossed to pick up on this.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

Cynick, you are so right.

After tonight, these are the things I am now pissed at:

1) Orton is out of Evolution. Evolution's theme song perfectly fit the World Heavyweight Champion. Now Jim Johnstone or some other fucker has to come up with a brand new theme. They'll probably come up with one like Shelton Benjamin's. All shitty.

2) Where does this leave one Mr. Rabid Wolverine, Chris Benoit? A stellar fued with Batista because Batista threw Benoit into the steps? I'll pay $35 to see Benoit/Batista (NOT).

3) Will there be a replacement for Orton's spot? You know, this is where a SEAN O'HAIRE would have fit very nicely in, or a Mark Jindrak... or as I think about it... maybe Maven? But not a Garrison Cade.

4) Orton is now a "Face". That fucking blows. The reason we LOVE Randy Orton is because he is a HEEL. Face Orton will not be as cool as Heel Orton.
- Just like The Rock. The Rock was tidious, hackneyed and boring after a while. But when HollyRock came back to the WWE in time for WM19, he was out of control awesome.

5) Just an observation: Did anyone see that GOLDEN RAZOR BLADE that Orton left in the middle of the ring? Or was that a piece of the gold confetti. It looked like the blade to me. How ridiculous is a GOLD Razor Blade?


Am I the only one loving the more air time for....
MATT HARDY VERSION 1-AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[I-Hate-You]

so sorry for being shocked. Didn't know we were all suppossed to pick up on this.
And all I have to say to you is this:

http://www.hugeinternetsuperstars.com/images/articles/20040816_7_305/thumbsDOWN.jpg

[Mayo]

At least Chris Benoit and Eddie Guererro are going back to the midcards where they belong now. I see nothing wrong with the WWE after tonight.
Benoit just lost his title last night, jackass. He will probably face Batista at the PPV, and I see it more as a way to cement Batista's status to the upper midcard rather than to bring Benoit back to midcard hell. Guerrero just faced Kurt Angle, and they are both definitely main eventers. Just because someone is not in possession of the title or fighting for it doesn't mean they are midcarders.

[Loose Cannon]

No way. Mark Jindrack, Garrison Cade, Maven? Hell no.. I'd go with HBK or Edge.

[Loose Cannon]

And all I have to say to you is this:

http://www.hugeinternetsuperstars.com/images/articles/20040816_7_305/thumbsDOWN.jpg

yea, that's great. Keep up the great posts.

[RGWhat316]

Typical WWE mistake, they take an angle that should have run for 3 or 4 months and they blew their load in 30 minutes. Morons!

Also, could that have been any more predicatble? "Evolution is with you"...geez, I was waiting for Hunter to go "I swear man we're NOT going to turn on you....I swear bro! No really.....I swear!".

Anyway, they did a lot of damage to Orton after seemingly creating a new star. I dont get why they would have Orton come out and rip on the fans if they planned on turning him at the end of the night. You would think they would want him to get over, but I guess that doesn't make sense to them.

Now what they've done is they have a World Champion who is now at best a tweener. He cant be an ultra babyface because he's been ripping on the fans. I mean he might become a big face down the road, but I dont see the fans immediately getting behind him or feel sorry for him. And now he's lost the connection to the cool badass faction that rules the company. The way I see it he's in no man's land.

Of course they aren't the same people, but I remember the SD that John Cena turned face, and he had made fun of the crowd earlier in the night. So pending on how the crowd reacts to him in the coming weeks, I don't see Orton having too much trouble turning face.

[The CyNick]

YEAH, it was definately rushed and a lot of us have been saying for months that it should be slow. But what's done is done and we'll just have to see how the WWE has this booked.

It was a good turn as I didn't see it coming. It was in the back of my mind, but I really didn't think they would do it tonight.

So, where do they go now? Well, I really hope they don't give HHH the Title until at least Survivor Series if he's getting it already. But I don't know how else they would book this thing where Orton isn't fighting HHH right away. There is no heel opponents for him to go against.

Yea, they pretty much fk'ed up here. If HHH does get the Title at Unforgiven, the only way I see Orton not getting hurt is if HHH wins with a lot of bullshit and stuff. No clean win or even close to one.

Whats funny is that I'm sitting here and I watched the HHH-Orton segment and I thought "ah shit they are going to do the turn tonight, man it would be awesome if they dragged it out". Then Batista put Randy on his shoulders and I just shook my head.

Yeah like you said, there's no logical way for HHH vs Orton to not happen at Unforgiven. Like I said, the only way to get out of it is a multi person match. I mean even Edge, who would make sense for Randy cant do it because he still has the IC title and seems destined to face JEricho at Unforgiven.

Oh dont worry, when HHH gets the title back it will be full of ref bumps, Evo run-ins and sledgehammer shots, but the bottom line is that the fans will see Orton only held the title for one month. Thats a tough way to create a new top babyface. I actually made the mistake of thinking Orton would be protected better, but it doesn't seem thats going to happen.

[Volchok]

that was a bunch of crapolla... but anyway they screwd themselves over by doing the turn so soon...

[RemyRed]

Originally Posted By Mayo
Benoit just lost his title last night, jackass. He will probably face Batista at the PPV, and I see it more as a way to cement Batista's status to the upper midcard rather than to bring Benoit back to midcard hell. Guerrero just faced Kurt Angle, and they are both definitely main eventers. Just because someone is not in possession of the title or fighting for it doesn't mean they are midcarders.

After that squash match that Guererro had against Angle, there really is no one left for him to fight, he'll be feuding with Rene Dupree this month. Batista into the upper-card may be the intention, but there's no way he'll get over enough, the result will be Benoit getting dragged down.

[Volchok]

i was atleast hoping for Batista to go with Orton.. but thats to much for WWE to do.. or they should have had Jericho come out.. but that would have screwd everything up... damn nothing can work out :-\

[Loose Cannon]

Maybe they do something where they Strip him of the Title so he doesn't have to lose it. Can't believe I'm saying that cause I hate those angles, but it will protect him.

[Volchok]

lol dont worry LC everything will work out fine... i hope..

[Loose Cannon]

i was atleast hoping for Batista to go with Orton.. but thats to much for WWE to do.. or they should have had Jericho come out.. but that would have screwd everything up... damn nothing can work out :-\

yea, I was really hoping Batista would go w/ him. He still might though a little later.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

No way. Mark Jindrack, Garrison Cade, Maven? Hell no.. I'd go with HBK or Edge.

I was thinking that Edge could be the next member of Evolution. He'll always be a mid-carder, no threat to the Game and it just seems to fit.

Plus if they keep up the fueds to a certain degree, they could put together a pretty sweet Survivor Series Match.....

"Evolution"
Triple H, Ric Flair, Edge and Batista
vs
Randy Orton, Eugene, Chris Jericho and Chris Benoit

I would pay to see that.

[The CyNick]

Cynick, you are so right.

After tonight, these are the things I am now pissed at:

1) Orton is out of Evolution. Evolution's theme song perfectly fit the World Heavyweight Champion. Now Jim Johnstone or some other fucker has to come up with a brand new theme. They'll probably come up with one like Shelton Benjamin's. All shitty.

2) Where does this leave one Mr. Rabid Wolverine, Chris Benoit? A stellar fued with Batista because Batista threw Benoit into the steps? I'll pay $35 to see Benoit/Batista (NOT).

3) Will there be a replacement for Orton's spot? You know, this is where a SEAN O'HAIRE would have fit very nicely in, or a Mark Jindrak... or as I think about it... maybe Maven? But not a Garrison Cade.

4) Orton is now a "Face". That fucking blows. The reason we LOVE Randy Orton is because he is a HEEL. Face Orton will not be as cool as Heel Orton.
- Just like The Rock. The Rock was tidious, hackneyed and boring after a while. But when HollyRock came back to the WWE in time for WM19, he was out of control awesome.

5) Just an observation: Did anyone see that GOLDEN RAZOR BLADE that Orton left in the middle of the ring? Or was that a piece of the gold confetti. It looked like the blade to me. How ridiculous is a GOLD Razor Blade?


Am I the only one loving the more air time for....
MATT HARDY VERSION 1-AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The main thing that gets to me is that they knew they were going to turn Ortn face, so why would you have him crap ont he crowd? I mean that has to be one of the stupidiest bookign moves in the history of booking moves.

They are now relying on the fans being sympathetic towards Orton because he got his ass handed to him. I mean he cant say he's going to go through Evo one by one, we've all seen how well that worked for Edge in terms of getting over. And he cant even be a cocky heel, because he's a face now. The more I think of it, the dumber I think this is.

And worst of all, this should have been Randy's night. He just came off a clean win over Chris Benoit at a major PPV. He gets the big baloon ceremony, the video package, looks like a mega superstar. Then has another strong match with Benoit, but instead of RAW ending with the fans seeing a new superstar being created, what do we get? Oh yeah, HHH dominant once again.

One day they'll learn, oh wait, no, no they wont.

[Boondock Saint]

I see what you're all saying. And I do hope Orton's reign lasts past Unforgiven and something good happens with Benoit.

But aside from that, I am glad this turn happened tonight. If they dragged it out, for me anyway, it would have been boring as hell because we knew this was going to happen at some point so dragging it out would just get annoying. But that's just me.

The celebration actually went longer than I thought so for a bit I didn't think it was going to happen, but as soon as HHH gave Randy the thumbs up, I knew what was coming.


Oh well, whatever. Lets see how this plays out.

[Volchok]

btw if i bring up some random thing from tonight im watching Raw over...

[The CyNick]

Benoit just lost his title last night, jackass. He will probably face Batista at the PPV, and I see it more as a way to cement Batista's status to the upper midcard rather than to bring Benoit back to midcard hell. Guerrero just faced Kurt Angle, and they are both definitely main eventers. Just because someone is not in possession of the title or fighting for it doesn't mean they are midcarders.

The difference is that the fans see Angle and Eddie as the top two guys on SD. JBL is a joke, so being out of the title picture on SD isn't really moving down the card. I mean the US title looks like the main title on the show.

I think people can see the writing on the wall with Benoit. All throughout his title run he played second fiddle to HHH and his angles. But at least Benoit had the belt to keep him at or near the main events. He did a clean JOB to Orton, and another JOB tonight. Now it appears he's destined for a program with Batista, who is not a main event guy. Perhaps Benoit will get a win, and stay near the top, but I would not be surprised to see Benoit lose yet again And if that happens, well he'll be finished as a top level guy.

[Volchok]

o LC did you get my pm? j/w

[Loose Cannon]

You know the more I think about the turn, the more it makes sense in a real world kind of setting. WHY would HHH wait to turn on Orton? He's pissed and he wants to kill him for stealing the spotlight. Why would he wait fot? If you look at it like that, it seems to make sense. Like I can see HHH/Flair/Batista like plotting shit behind Orton's back before he won the Title. I know that never aired, but I can see stuff like that.


Again, I thought it was rushed, but if you look at it from a "real world" perspsective, it kind of makes sense

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

Benoit has gotten severly DICKED OVER. There really is nothing for him to do now on RAW. I would love for Benoit to go back to Smackdown (where I wanted him to stay)

Benoit/Eddie
Benoit/Taker (has Taker ever tapped out? I remember they said he didnt back in 2000 when he fought Shamrock at Backlash)
Benoit/Cena
Benoit/Booker (oh those WCW days)

etc
etc

[Splaya]

One of two things will happen... Orton will lose... Or Orton will... umm... Win... :shifty:

Seriously, something big is gonna happen...


The biggest fucking face turn happened that's what

[Herb Masta]

fuuuuck man.. orton. thats harsh what they did, but damn.

[The CyNick]

You know the more I think about the turn, the more it makes sense in a real world kind of setting. WHY would HHH wait to turn on Orton? He's pissed and he wants to kill him for stealing the spotlight. Why would he wait fot? If you look at it like that, it seems to make sense. Like I can see HHH/Flair/Batista like plotting shit behind Orton's back before he won the Title. I know that never aired, but I can see stuff like that.


Again, I thought it was rushed, but if you look at it from a "real world" perspsective, it kind of makes sense

Okay but first things first, this is wrestling, creating stars should be their main concern, last night I believe they took some steps backwards with ol Randy.

Second things second, you could also say it would make sense for HHH to make it seem like he's friends with Orton, let Orton get beat up for several months defending the title, and then after Orton has been weakened HHH can stick the knife in his back and take the title from him.

But I dont think anyone would say the way they did the angle doesn't make sense, but in terms of booking it did nothing for Orton and may have done a lot of damage to his ability to get over as a face.

[Splaya]

The main thing that gets to me is that they knew they were going to turn Ortn face, so why would you have him crap ont he crowd? I mean that has to be one of the stupidiest bookign moves in the history of booking moves.

They are now relying on the fans being sympathetic towards Orton because he got his ass handed to him. I mean he cant say he's going to go through Evo one by one, we've all seen how well that worked for Edge in terms of getting over. And he cant even be a cocky heel, because he's a face now. The more I think of it, the dumber I think this is.

And worst of all, this should have been Randy's night. He just came off a clean win over Chris Benoit at a major PPV. He gets the big baloon ceremony, the video package, looks like a mega superstar. Then has another strong match with Benoit, but instead of RAW ending with the fans seeing a new superstar being created, what do we get? Oh yeah, HHH dominant once again.

One day they'll learn, oh wait, no, no they wont.



Your crushing my barbie world right now by saying this shit.



Your making sense like you usually do, but still. Why can't Randy just be a normal champ :'(

[The CyNick]

Benoit has gotten severly DICKED OVER. There really is nothing for him to do now on RAW. I would love for Benoit to go back to Smackdown (where I wanted him to stay)

Benoit/Eddie
Benoit/Taker (has Taker ever tapped out? I remember they said he didnt back in 2000 when he fought Shamrock at Backlash)
Benoit/Cena
Benoit/Booker (oh those WCW days)

etc
etc

I was saying that before, after he programs with Batista, and likely does a TV JOB for Hunter, whats left for him?

[Splaya]

Okay but first things first, this is wrestling, creating stars should be their main concern, last night I believe they took some steps backwards with ol Randy.

Second things second, you could also say it would make sense for HHH to make it seem like he's friends with Orton, let Orton get beat up for several months defending the title, and then after Orton has been weakened HHH can stick the knife in his back and take the title from him.

But I dont think anyone would say the way they did the angle doesn't make sense, but in terms of booking it did nothing for Orton and may have done a lot of damage to his ability to get over as a face.


But the big question Cynick is, whether they ruin his face turn or his character in general, would you still cheer for him as a main eventer that he is now?

[RemyRed]

Maybe he isn't going to be a face.

[The CyNick]

Your crushing my barbie world right now by saying this shit.



Your making sense like you usually do, but still. Why can't Randy just be a normal champ :'(

lol

Hey, hopefully I'm wrong. I mean maybe the fans will get behind Orton and have sympathy for him. But I just dont see why they would cheer him, especially after his promos the last few weeks. On top of that, he's out of Evo, and we all know Evo will always be booked to look stronger than everyone else, so he could easily become like Edge where the fans could care less about him either way.

[Loose Cannon]

Okay but first things first, this is wrestling, creating stars should be their main concern, last night I believe they took some steps backwards with ol Randy.

Second things second, you could also say it would make sense for HHH to make it seem like he's friends with Orton, let Orton get beat up for several months defending the title, and then after Orton has been weakened HHH can stick the knife in his back and take the title from him.

But I dont think anyone would say the way they did the angle doesn't make sense, but in terms of booking it did nothing for Orton and may have done a lot of damage to his ability to get over as a face.


Yeah, your second point made a lot of sense. That's good booking right there. I was just trying to play Devil's Advocate.

What if they do this though. Say Orton vs HHH at Unforgiven or Survivor Series. A huge Screwjob would happen (YEAH...AGAIN) and HHH wins it.

Orton wins the Rumble and goes on to face HHH at Mania and wins it back. They just need to keep him from doing a Huge Job to HHH where he doesn't look like a joke.

[Loose Cannon]

But SADLY, once Orton starts getting pop with the fans, I will start to not like him anymore. I'll have to pick a new guy soon. Happens all the time. Just happened with Cena.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

Heel Orton > Face Orton

HollyRock > The Rock

RANDY ORTON is meant to be the cocky heel. Thats what brought him to the table, thats why we love him. Why change that?

Heel Orton vs the following:

HBK
Benoit (again)
Jericho
Edge (the man that beat him for the IC Title)
Eugene
Regal
Triple H (both heels, remember HHH/Angle Rumble 01, both heels)


Im disappointed.... but

ORTON STILL RULES

[The CyNick]

But the big question Cynick is, whether they ruin his face turn or his character in general, would you still cheer for him as a main eventer that he is now?

I mean I like him because he plays a cocky arrogant heel and he beats everyone. But if he goes baby, he's going to have to play to the crowd and he'll lose that arrogance. So I dont really know what to expect, I kinda expect him to become very bland as a babyface.

If you look at a guy like Cena, who a lot of people felt was turned too early, at leats his gimmick is such that he can come out do a rap on a guy, throw a jersey in the crowd, yell "The Champ is here" and the fans will go nuts. I dont see what Orton has that will get people to go crazy for him. Whats he going to say "I'm better than you, now cheer me"? Or how about "Ive done more at the age of 24 than all of you combined". I just dont see where his pops will come from. I think they are basing his face turn on some heelish crowds and the fact that people hate HHH. But look at Edge, he tried ot do the "evolution I'm coming for you" speech and fans dont give two shits about him.

Like I said, we'll see, maybe the fans are dying to cheer for him, but even when he came out on RAW, I dont think he got the kind of reaction that would make me think he's going to be a forsure thing as a babyface, especially this soon.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

Okay but first things first, this is wrestling, creating stars should be their main concern, last night I believe they took some steps backwards with ol Randy.


HOW CAN THE WWE (mainly RAW) CREATE STARS WHEN HHH JUST BURIES ALL OF THE THEME!

[Dorkchop]

I enjoyed Raw a lot. Why is it that Molly Holly get's better looking every tmie she's on TV?

[The CyNick]

Yeah, your second point made a lot of sense. That's good booking right there. I was just trying to play Devil's Advocate.

What if they do this though. Say Orton vs HHH at Unforgiven or Survivor Series. A huge Screwjob would happen (YEAH...AGAIN) and HHH wins it.

Orton wins the Rumble and goes on to face HHH at Mania and wins it back. They just need to keep him from doing a Huge Job to HHH where he doesn't look like a joke.

No doubt, thats probably how it will go down, and it makes sense from a booking standpoint.

But in order for that to work, the fans have to be behind Orton like they were for guys like Rock, Austin and so on, back in the day. I dont see how that will happen, why would fans cheer for Orton after he told them they all suck?

I see this kinda like the Brock deal in 2002. Brock was a rising star, and won the title as a heel, but got cheered for the win. The WWE looked at this and figured "hey we gotta turn Brock". They did that, and I think most would agree it was too soon, the fans weren't really behind him like the past top babys, and the build for Brock to get the title back wasn't all that hot (I mean look at the Mania buyrate that year). The one good thing they did with Brock was that they had Taker put him over in a major match, which was something few people got to do. Then they did the respect deal and from then on, Brock started to act like a face. The difference with this is that Orton could have built off the respect thing he did with Benoit, but instead he reversed it and went back to being a heel. Now he comes off getting pummeled, and I dont think in 2004 thats enough to become a huge babyface.

[The CyNick]

HOW CAN THE WWE (mainly RAW) CREATE STARS WHEN HHH JUST BURIES ALL OF THE THEME!

I actually thought Randy would get under the radar because he's apparently tight with HHH, but I guess not tight enough.

[The CyNick]

Heel Orton > Face Orton

HollyRock > The Rock

RANDY ORTON is meant to be the cocky heel. Thats what brought him to the table, thats why we love him. Why change that?

Heel Orton vs the following:

HBK
Benoit (again)
Jericho
Edge (the man that beat him for the IC Title)
Eugene
Regal
Triple H (both heels, remember HHH/Angle Rumble 01, both heels)


Im disappointed.... but

ORTON STILL RULES

This is exactly why I was saying they should have kept Orton heel, at the very least until SurvSer. And actually, I would have kept Orton heel all the way to Mania.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

i wanted Orton to stay heel too

[FourFifty]

<font color=cyan>Well, a shade over 1/4 way though on the west coast... OH MY GOD! THAT SLAP FROM VICTORIA HAD TO STING! Total mark Out Moment!

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

how about a turn where Orton has Flair and Batista turn on HHH and say "fuck off", Im the World Champion.... I Run the Show!

HHH turns face and battles the cocky heel Orton who continuely wins with help from Evolution (now with Edge).

[Loose Cannon]

No doubt, thats probably how it will go down, and it makes sense from a booking standpoint.

But in order for that to work, the fans have to be behind Orton like they were for guys like Rock, Austin and so on, back in the day. I dont see how that will happen, why would fans cheer for Orton after he told them they all suck?

I see this kinda like the Brock deal in 2002. Brock was a rising star, and won the title as a heel, but got cheered for the win. The WWE looked at this and figured "hey we gotta turn Brock". They did that, and I think most would agree it was too soon, the fans weren't really behind him like the past top babys, and the build for Brock to get the title back wasn't all that hot (I mean look at the Mania buyrate that year). The one good thing they did with Brock was that they had Taker put him over in a major match, which was something few people got to do. Then they did the respect deal and from then on, Brock started to act like a face. The difference with this is that Orton could have built off the respect thing he did with Benoit, but instead he reversed it and went back to being a heel. Now he comes off getting pummeled, and I dont think in 2004 thats enough to become a huge babyface.


I forget the saying. But it's like "people only remember the last thing" or something like that. Yea, totally botched it. But, I think the fans will forget about what Orton said in the begginning of Raw. They will feel sorry for him because he didn't even see the attack coming. They will sympathize for the fact that he was a sitting duck and didn't even know it. They will remember the image of him bleeding in the middle of the ring at the hands of Evolution. The tweener thing will help him though because he can act like Austin and say he never asked for the fans support.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

Diva Search Girls in order of awesomeness:

1) Christy (ENERGY!... has the tits, the face and definitely the personality)

2) Marie (unique tits, i like them, banging face)

3) Joy (TITS, personality is showing thru now)

the other 3 suck. i hate Carmella, she was standing out there tonight like she owned the place. f that. shes a ringer and that sucks.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

my main question is

WHAT IS ORTON GOING TO DO FOR RING MUSIC NOW?
The Evolution Theme FIT HIM SO WELL.

[The CyNick]

I forget the saying. But it's like "people only remember the last thing" or something like that. Yea, totally botched it. But, I think the fans will forget about what Orton said in the begginning of Raw. They will feel sorry for him because he didn't even see the attack coming. They will sympathize for the fact that he was a sitting duck and didn't even know it. They will remember the image of him bleeding in the middle of the ring at the hands of Evolution. The tweener thing will help him though because he can act like Austin and say he never asked for the fans support.

But what successful babyface ever got over by catching a beatdown?

Hogan got over because he beat everyone, and never sold anything.

Austin got over by being a badass redneck who talks trash and beats everyone up including his boss.

Rock got over by talking smack and of course beating on everyone.

I cant think of a case where a guy was a heel, then took a major beatdown and because of that became a major babyface. Obviously Orton will have to do some work, but especially if he's going to drop the title in Sept, I think this will be a major uphill battle.

[Loose Cannon]

They'll probably just remix it.

[Volchok]

BTW if you havent voted for a Diva.. Vote Amy...;)

[Mayo]

But SADLY, once Orton starts getting pop with the fans, I will start to not like him anymore. I'll have to pick a new guy soon. Happens all the time. Just happened with Cena.
Just start cheering for Virgil... I mean Orlando Jordan :)

[The CyNick]

how about a turn where Orton has Flair and Batista turn on HHH and say "fuck off", Im the World Champion.... I Run the Show!

HHH turns face and battles the cocky heel Orton who continuely wins with help from Evolution (now with Edge).

Yeah but then Orton looks like a dumbass for taking a beatdown from Evo and then saying "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

I think that should have been the angle before last night. I would have had Orton act even cockier, start to separate himself from Evo (I suggested a helicopter spot that would have ruled), show him living the good life. Eventually Orton gets Evo to turn on HHH syaing he's been holding them back and Evo is all about the gold, and since HHH couldn't get the job done, he's been booted.

The way it is now, Evo looks like puppets for HHH. I mean why does Batista of Flair care if Orton is champ instead of HHH?

[Loose Cannon]

But what successful babyface ever got over by catching a beatdown?

Hogan got over because he beat everyone, and never sold anything.

Austin got over by being a badass redneck who talks trash and beats everyone up including his boss.

Rock got over by talking smack and of course beating on everyone.

I cant think of a case where a guy was a heel, then took a major beatdown and because of that became a major babyface. Obviously Orton will have to do some work, but especially if he's going to drop the title in Sept, I think this will be a major uphill battle.

Yeah, I was just trying to think of an instance, but can't. Has anyone ever gotten kicked out of a stable before and turned face? Well Farroq did, but that was nothing cause roles were reversed there then what we have now.

Orton better not be taken out next week. They NEED to end the show w/ Orton laying out all of Evolution with a steel chair and ending it with him standing strong over all of them.

[Loose Cannon]

Just start cheering for Virgil... I mean Orlando Jordan :)

He's not going anywhere. I think Johnny Nitro is my next favorite guy. Even though he's not going anywhere soon.

[The CyNick]

Yeah, I was just trying to think of an instance, but can't. Has anyone ever gotten kicked out of a stable before and turned face? Well Farroq did, but that was nothing cause roles were reversed there then what we have now.

Orton better not be taken out next week. They NEED to end the show w/ Orton laying out all of Evolution with a steel chair and ending it with him standing strong over all of them.

Yeah and they might do that, but then of course in all likelyhood in 4 weeks or whatever it is, he'll fail and lose the title.

I was trying to think of something with the NWO where a guy got beatdwn and turned face, but couldn't. The thing with the NWO is that the more they beatdown guys, the more people would cheer them. I fear the same could happen with Evo now.

All I acn say is that Orton better come up with some catch phrases quick, otherwise I think he'll be in toruble.

[RemyRed]

From all these posts I can already tell Shelton Benjamin is forgotten, and most likely will never get a major push because of it. I thought Benjamin would be in Evolution for Randy Orton, but now I'm thinkin it'll just stay as Batista, Flair, and God.

[CosaNostra]

No way. Mark Jindrack, Garrison Cade, Maven? Hell no.. I'd go with HBK or Edge.

Say they bring HBK into the fold. Who leads the faction then? It would be interesting to see HBK accept HHH's leadership

[Dorkchop]

They'll probably just remix it.
Evolution isn't a mystery...

[Quick1]

I was trying to think of something...but couldn't. The thing with the NWO is that the more they beatdown guys, the more people would cheer them. I fear the same could happen with Evo now.
Ummm I can name people. Shamrock :-\, The brood, Bigshow and Test (he took out both Val and Albert. I forget if he got over).........Eugene?

[RawRocks]

For some strange reason I can see this happen in the next few weeks in this order:

1. Benoit/Eugene/William Regal vs Batista/Flair/HHH with Randy Orton as special guest referee.

Benoit still could have a bad taste in his mouth with Benoit from the previous two matches with Orton and pissed at Batista for the outside activity. Eugene and Regal will be aiming at HHH. Flair can be.. well.. just Flair and go along with the flow. Orton being a special guest referee in a six man tag after having a bad taste with Evolution and Benoit. Of course Eugene will want some of Orton after some of the things he has said about him. The match goes no contest after Orton goes nuts on Triple H. Out comes the suprise of HBK in the aftermath. HBK acts as if he is ready to beat up on a battered Triple H. Orton stand there in amazement, HBK turns around and dropkicks Orton.

2. Cena goes up 2-0 over Booker T for the US Title on Smackdown.

3. HBK rekindles friendship with HHH after calling HHH out to the ring in his return. HBK joins Evolution setting a Raw match between HBK vs Orton in a non-title match. Meanwhile HHH and Flair face Eugene and Regal in tag team action while Batista faces Benoit. Orton wins his match as HHH and Flair win by DQ thanks to Regal and the brass knuckles. Benoit and Batista get it on backstage postponing their match for a PPV.

4. Booker T wins the thrid match to bring it to 2-1 for the US Title. But the victory would be tainted with a controversial call by the ref. Cena confronts Long. Long fines Cena in an unpopular move.

5. Orton faces HBK in a non-title match on Raw with Flair at ringside for HBK and Benoit at ringside fior Orton. No contest after Orton and Flair interfere in match. Y2J and Eugene tag up with Regal at ringside against Batista and HHH.

6. Booker T wins fourth natch against Cena tio bring it 2-2. Long declares the next match to occur in a steel cage at Survivor Series.

of course I am dragging the storyline out to Survivor Series.

7. At Survivor Series, Benoit vs Batista wrestle to a DQ of Batista after Kurt Angle interferes in Benoit's match. Orton/Y2J/Eugene vs Flair/HBK/HHH go on. Evolution once again wins the tag match. Cena loses to Booker T in the steel cage match. Backstage an angry Cena bumps into low and behold... Randy Orton. The next night on Raw, Orton demands a match against Cena. Cena does the same on Smackdown. Benoit wants a piece of Angle too.

8. Cena and Benoit get traded between the brands. Setting a stable storyline through the Rumble. Benoit eventually becomes WWE Champ over JBL. While Orton retains the title to Wrestlemania. Cena eventually takes the IC over Edge and battles Evolution.

[Pegasus Crawford]

Haha. I'm sure the majority of us saw the turn coming. Sucks for Benoit. :(

But I let myself enjoy the moment anyway.

[The CyNick]

Ummm I can name people. Shamrock :-\, The brood, Bigshow and Test (he took out both Val and Albert. I forget if he got over).........Eugene?

I dont know if that even fits what I'm talking about (a heel getting beat up then turning face). But even if they do, none of those guys were slated to headline Wrestlemania.

[Quick1]

I dont know if that even fits what I'm talking about (a heel getting beat up then turning face). But even if they do, none of those guys were slated to headline Wrestlemania.
oh I didn't know about the headlining Wrestle Mania part I thought you wetre talking about pushes

[Azriel]

I'm certain they might add a new member of Evolution, Edge would definitely be the best bet, because in many respects Evolution is the neo-Horsemen.

And LC, I would be so hurt if you abandoned Orton now, especially since you were responsible for turning a lot of us over to the Orton side. I guess then I'd have to take over as the Orton mark.

[Loose Cannon]

Nah, unless he becomes a wishy washy good guy who is a puppet of the fans then all will be good.

[Volchok]

anyone else notice when during Orton's promo last night when he said " I did what no one else could do... i beat Chris Benoit 1,2,3.. " that was a slap in the face to HHH right there..

[Pegasus Crawford]

Nah, unless he becomes a wishy washy good guy who is a puppet of the fans then all will be good.

Aren't practically all faces "wishy-washy" good guys and always a puppet of the fans? :wtf:

[Quick1]

anyone else notice when during Orton's promo last night when he said " I did what no one else could do... i beat Chris Benoit 1,2,3.. " that was a slap in the face to HHH right there..
!? Orton must not go to house shows. :-\

[Loose Cannon]

Aren't practically all faces "wishy-washy" good guys and always a puppet of the fans? :wtf:

No, they are not. :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: Hate that smiley. Austin, Hall, Taker, Jake Roberts etc..... didn't go out there and say they loved the fans and they do it for the fans like your Hulk Hogans, Stings or your Rocks. And Cena right now. They still kept there bad ass attitude with them.

[RemyRed]

Well I was right, Eddie's back in the midcard feuding with Luther Reigns. Oh well, it was a good run but, time to get pushed backwards.

BTW- Great to see the spamming cleaned up so quickly :y:

[Flagg77]

I for one hope that Evolution remains a trio. It fits the term of the word "Evolution" better anyway.

I think bringing in someone new would just dilute them. Big deal they beat down Orton and kicked him out, isn't that the idea of evolution? Adaptation. Plus it is just HHH showing that he can't live without Belty

It's just funny that just when I start to actually give credence to Evolution (when was the last time either one of them won cleanly: save for SS? ) and give respect to Batista and Orton they split.

[Quick1]

and now they won't take up so many stables in the new smack down game.

[Flagg77]

lol yeah I just deleted those last night!

[The CyNick]

I for one hope that Evolution remains a trio. It fits the term of the word "Evolution" better anyway.

I think bringing in someone new would just dilute them. Big deal they beat down Orton and kicked him out, isn't that the idea of evolution? Adaptation. Plus it is just HHH showing that he can't live without Belty

It's just funny that just when I start to actually give credence to Evolution (when was the last time either one of them won cleanly: save for SS? ) and give respect to Batista and Orton they split.

The problem is that they hurt Orton's big night. Monday should have been all about making Randy the next big superstar on RAW, instead it was Chapter 7,865,999 of the Triple H is dominant over the roster book.

It also made Evo look weak because essentially what they said by beating on Orton was that the group is just there to serve HHH not to succeed on their own. IMO thats a step backwards.

[Loose Cannon]

BTW: Ortan's expression on his face when Trips gave the thumbs down was priceless. I swear Ortan may be the best guy at doing improvised (sp) expressions in wrestling today.

[RGWhat316]

You know, I want to give credit to JR and King. I know they get made fun of all the time. But they kept quiet for most of the whole beatdown and just let it happen. Then at the end JR said "Is Evolution really the solution?"

[Volchok]

yeah it was a real serious moment...

[Lara Emily]

Well if Orton does drop the title to HHH at Unforgiven, it definitely makes Benoit look like a more important champion in retrospect. I mean as it is Benoit is the only one to have a title reign that didn't end in HHH getting it back. Was it a good reign not really but it's probably the best one can get during the HHH era